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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Victory Means
Democratic voters in New Yorks 14th Congressional District delivered a shock to the political system Tuesday night, rejecting the fourth-ranking member of the partys House leadership, Representative Joseph Crowley, in favor of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a 28-year-old former Bernie Sanders campaign organizer who has called for abolishing the nations immigration and customs enforcement agency.
In doing so, voters delivered a message to Democrats and Republicans across the country, and perhaps in Albany: The liberal base is fired up, showing up at the polls, and may be ignored only at great political risk.
Ms. Ocasio-Cortezs victory is a vivid sign of the changing of the guard. In addition to more liberal immigration laws, she ran on a platform calling for Medicare for all and a federal jobs guarantee. She also talked about the housing crisis in New York City, an issue that resonates deeply with many voters here. Her district, which runs through Queens and the Bronx, is majority-minority, but its leadership has yet to reflect those changes. Thats something Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was able to capitalize on fluently, casting herself as part of a new generation of young, unabashedly liberal Democrats unwilling to wait their turn any longer.
Many told Ms. Ocasio-Cortez she was crazy for challenging Mr. Crowley, a 10-term incumbent who had ambitions to succeed the House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi of California. As chairman of the Queens County Democratic Party, Mr. Crowley, 56, was a kingmaker in New York City politics. At his annual holiday party, city officials were expected to perform karaoke, singing and dancing on the stage to a song of Mr. Crowleys choosing.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/27/opinion/-alexandra-ocasio-cortez-democrat-crowley.html
dembotoz
(16,832 posts)Voltaire2
(13,154 posts)The party will support her.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Democrats need to support her 1000%.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)stupid as to boo any other Democrats at any conventions or anything, do you? That was only fake Democrats who did that in 2016, and all those rats left the ship after they chewed a hole in the side.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Just as we support any Democratic nominee. REAL Democrats don't withhold their votes because the candidate doesn't agree with them on every little thing. REAL Democrats don't boo at conventions to disrupt because they're unhappy with the nominee.
Why would you even ask that question?
dembotoz
(16,832 posts)Cha
(297,640 posts)They're Team Players for the Good of our Country and our Planet.
Cha
(297,640 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)...she shouldn't frighten too many old-timey Dems.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Voltaire2
(13,154 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)They applauded Clinton on her brilliant platform of creating a nation of solar & renewable energy for the future, as well as her advocacy for the rights of LGBTQ, & all races, creeds, color & beliefs.
Securing an easier path to citizenship, and making voting rights a simple & more efficient process as well as ending Citizens United, to name a few.
She resoundingly secured votes with her sound promise of continuing on her iconic speech in Bejing UN Conference of 1995, where she bravely stepped forward to proclaim "Women's Rights are Human Rights once & for all."
Who wrote Cortez's well received platform for her?
Just wondering.
It was stunningly similar. Should Cortez stay with the platform of her campaign she won't have to worry about the likes of Jimmy Dore hanging around as a one time friend, ...Dore hated Hillary ..and every Democrat that walked the earth.
He hated & mocked her beautiful positive campaign platform.
So I hope he's not as slanderous towards Cortez since her ideals of her campaign platform align so similar to HRC's.
"Women's Rights are Human Rights" ~ hrc 1995 UN Bejing
Thanks Hillary 🍃
Orsino
(37,428 posts)If the patriarchy managed to stop Hillary, they didn't kill what she represents. We got us a great candidate.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)'Old-timers' is an insult to the many Dems who applauded HRC's platform.
Those 'old-timey' dems obviously came out to vote for Cortez last night.
Why would you insult them today?
They liked what she said. They liked what HRC said also.
Just wondering who wrote Cortez's resounding campaign platform?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)And hope to be an even older-timer.
Magoo48
(4,720 posts)It is time to let go of Hillary and Bernie; they worked hard but their time has passed. We must be a powerful alternative to each and every horror of the present madness.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Bernie is still campaigning.
Cortez should give credit to the people she borrowed campaign winning quotes from.
Why is that so hard for some to do?
It is more evident of where the division lies.
That is unfortunate.
Btw, Cortez isn't the first to use HRC's iconic quote as tho it was their own.
Just seems odd that they cannot do the right thing as a Democrat.
Why is that?
theaocp
(4,244 posts)You're welcome to answer your own question. Wtf?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)No one can answer that?
Wtf is right.
You rhetorically asked a question you can't/won't answer? Again, wtf?
Magoo48
(4,720 posts)to those who came before.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)The concern I would have is that her connection to Bernie will turn off the HRC supporters in her district and have them not voting in the midterms. Turnout is always a concern and anything that impacts that would be bad. One or two good endorsement appearances by HRC should fix that to the greatest extent possible.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)We know why.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)Why?
theaocp
(4,244 posts)You really think they'll be that petty? Doesn't speak terribly well of those voters.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I'm dubious, but the wounds run deep.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)This unbelievably awesome victory for us and people can't wait to smear her with Bernie's name and demand she bow to HRC. WTF is going on?
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)there are folks around here still arguing LBJ.
Magoo48
(4,720 posts)Record so good in the past that we should cling to it and our past candidates?
Squinch
(51,004 posts)Squinch
(51,004 posts)lets us all know where you stand.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)Are you calling me a Russian bot?
Squinch
(51,004 posts)theaocp
(4,244 posts)I suppose that lies in the eye of the beholder. I would claim otherwise, but who needs allies, right, comrade?
Squinch
(51,004 posts)theaocp
(4,244 posts)Everyone I respond to is writing in some fucking cryptic code or something. Just say what you have to say.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)simply because Cortez is supported by Bernie, that says something not about Cortez, but about those supporters.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Especially after she was an organizer for him.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)who was a major organizer for Sanders' presidential campaign.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)theaocp
(4,244 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)theaocp
(4,244 posts)If you've got nothing to say, just say so. Damn.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)I explained why I thought it was interesting that Sanders didn't endorse a former campaign organizer of his, that I wasn't privy to Sanders' reasons for not endorsing her directly, so I don't know what it "means."
Is that clearer?
If you want to pick a fight, just go find someone else. Damn.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)More detail would help. So, no. Not terribly clear. Damn.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/bernie-sanders-endorses-fifth-congress-district-pennsylvania-20180511.html
He did not endorse her.
Perhaps that will help clear up your confusion as to why the fact that he didn't endorse her but others is interesting to some.
If you are looking for a fight, you are looking in the wrong place.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)The observation you made is clear. The question you're ducking is WHY? What is the point of taking any level of interest in that observation? Why do you care enough to note it in the thread?
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)You may want to try elsewhere.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)Whatever. Growing up on the Great Lakes, I recognize fish on a hook. They tend to wriggle, too.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)hahahahahahaha.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)hahahahahaha
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)theaocp
(4,244 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Sometimes things I find interesting I may not have the ability (whether due to time or access to the required knowledge etc) to determine why something occurs.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)Most of us can do so or just not open our mouths. I'd hate to misinterpret something someone DIDN'T say.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)as sinister.
Is it frustrating not to get a response that bashes someone, no matter how hard you try?
And get called out on it?
Why do you find what I "don't say" so interesting?
theaocp
(4,244 posts)I'm waiting for you to tell. Good luck.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)hahahahahahaha.
Not having any luck with that bait, are you?
theaocp
(4,244 posts)Late.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Tag - Your turn!
Hahahahahahaha. (Aren't you glad you started that?)
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Others seem to want to try to get an alertable reaction, and think they they are subtle about it.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Careful of that glass house.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Why bring him into it.
She will be heartily endorsed by every Dem come Nov.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)take their ball and vote for trump when every little thing doesn't go their way. Hillary supporters know that takes the special kind of stupid that landed us in our current dystopia.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)What did that stand for?
Squinch
(51,004 posts)And the stakes are different now. I think we can all at least agree on that.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Which is the point.
The stakes have been building for 30 years. At best we'll have a SLIM majority. The worst is a meaningless change in the GOP majority and 4 more years of Trump.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)theaocp
(4,244 posts)Circular firing squads are inquiring.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)theaocp
(4,244 posts)Your thoughts?
Squinch
(51,004 posts)theaocp
(4,244 posts)She's so proud of me from the Siberian wasteland. What is your problem?
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)But I do think that some folks have an unreasonable expectation what can be done with that "majority".
They can run investigations though...
Squinch
(51,004 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)they can't do anything if they can't get the majority of the votes. And there's always one or two dems from a red state that is hesitant to take any serious action. We may be talking as little as a two vote majority.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Re-fighting 2016 helps Uncle Vladimir. Wanna keep it up?
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)The "multipolarity" == (possibly dangerous) "rivalry" framing aka narrative
should be replaced by one that helps us all to clearly and strongly grasp the idea that:
The way our rapacious laissez-faire get rich quick socio-economic systems are operating is leading us into environment-related deep shit unless we all collectively get our well-organised act together on this planet.
And dumb demonizing does not help that to happen.
Multipolarity, and truly effective multipolar institutions, are necessary and should be a common aim of all.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I went to JFK's funeral.
I was in Memphis when MLK was killed.
That old.
Oh, and I supported Bernard Sanders in the primary.
Then voted for Hillary Clinton in the general.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)She put it at the top of her agenda. People can not afford housing in urban Democratic strongholds and nothing is being done about it. Its going to bite CA Democrats in the ass too. When youre in charge and something that basic just keeps getting worse there's a price to pay.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Just fold up the tent and let the corporations figure it all out.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)REITs buy up rental property in flourishing cities, then execute a plan to annually raise rents. There is little politicians can do other than going to Court to lose, or buying the landlords out (that takes a huge amount of money). If landlords are bought out and rents are decreased, what happens to the people who were living in the places and could afford to pay the rents, do they stay at the lower rents, do they get a rent schedule that is higher than for their neighbors for the same facilities, do they get outright evicted and sent to pricier rental property? It is one thing to blow smoke in the air and talk about what should be done, it is another issue entirely to fix the problems without creating more problems.
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Oops:
https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/morning_call/2015/06/george-marcus-millichap-essex-mmi-cre-profile.html
But were doing all we possibly can for people. Honestly, we are.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But the problem is a lot more complex than what you make it out to be. Plus fixing it will take billions of dollars, where is that money coming from? Politicians can take property, but I promise you, they will lose in Court.
I am not trying to be an ass, like you, I want to see affordable rents in flourishing cities. But the only way I see that happening is for cities to buy up private property at market rates, but then ownership and management of the property creates it's own set of problems.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Unaffordable housing will be fought at the state level because it is a state issue.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Deep blue areas have robust economic growth, statistics back that up. Economic growth causes rents to go up, economics 101. The only choice politicians have is to buyout landlords and then reduce rents to make things affordable, but I promise you that if that happens, that housing will be taken up by well paid up and comers that call the cops on people that are barbecuing or street vending. Oakland used to be a cheap place to live until it gentrified, now it is loaded with privileged people who don't understand the communities around them.
Housing in growing areas is a tough nut, politicians must have lots of money, and a well thought out plan of getting the right people into housing. Bill DeBlassio is a dyed in the wool left wing liberal, but even he can't address the affordability issue, it is one thing to talk about something, another issue entirely when you have to turn nuts and bolts to solve it.
BTW, what are voters going to do, elect republicans who will absolutely screw them?
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Punish incumbents when their lives become harder and/or unmanageable and they see an alternative. And party ID won't be high on their list of priorities. That can lead to decisions we might think are stupid, ie Obama/Trump voters, but we ignore, minimize or misrepresent human desperation at our peril as a party.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But solving the affordability problem is very hard. Look at what happened in Seattle with the corporations tax, if it had gotten approved, Seattle would have lost in Court big. Fortunately Bezos stepped in with a compromise, that while not great, will help the situation.
I have favored cities buying up property, the problem with that is cities don't have that type of money, which is huge. Formerly down and out cities like Oakland, or current ones like Detroit, Flint and Newsrk don't have money to deliver basic services, so buying up rental and housing property is out of the question, they need landlords to give up the property for free or low cost, which won't happen. What a recovering city like Detroit or Cleveland need is a white knight with lots of money, to buy up housing and hand it over to the cities, how many people are out there that meet that description?
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Housing, health care and education. Costs have been outpacing incomes and inflation for four decades. If Democrats could point to more substantive achievements on any of these fronts wed be in much better shape than we are now. Money is winning. We cant make peace with it.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I proposed potential solutions to one of them.
Instead of describing the problems and bashing democrats for supposedly not trying to fix them, WHAT are you proposed solutions and what will they cost?
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)These are supposedly our issues, so I think the Democratic Party has done the math. But do you trust our party to fight hard enough for them? Many voters dont which is why there will be other NY 14s.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)MarvinGardens
(779 posts)In the city and close-in suburbs, change zoning policy to allow denser "infill" development, where this has not already happened. Major obstacle of course is opposition from existing residents of said suburbs. But increasing the available housing units can only help the prices.
More funding for mass transit, and roads where applicable, will give people more choices about where they can live (further out vs close in), and give workers more flexibility on price vs convenience.
The former is truly a local issue with perhaps some state level intervention in some areas. The latter is typically a mix of local, state, and federal money.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I thought about mass transit improvements, that would help big by giving people more range to find homes. I didn't consider the zoning issue, you you touched on some good points about the benefits of taking that route and potential obstacles. I really think politicians can sell both, ring suburbs must realize that their economic vitality is tied to the housing prices in the cities that they ring and people having 2 hour commutes at rush hour won't keep working.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)That is just wishful thinking... and I wish it was true.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)It's not even easy to get a blue dog democrat in those states.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)convince people in all 50 states. Nothing changes hopefully with this...a blue state still a blue state...we need to turn red states and districts blue.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)To "advise" Red State Dems not to run a Democratic Socialist?..Not gonna happen in any case.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)seats and to work on getting the Senate which would be huge for the court issues we face.
whathehell
(29,090 posts)Maybe you could send them your suggestions.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It also means we have a new face with damn near the same political accomplishments as our more popular democratic socialist.
The rest is pathetic propoganda. Seems to be an extremely safe seat.
Good luck to Ocasio-Cortez.
This was the primary.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Voltaire2
(13,154 posts)You're welcome.
Sorry you are so upset about this. She is going to be a great representative for her district and for our party.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Seems to go hand in hand with the other grandios verbiage.
Im not upset at all. Should be a very easy hold. Thats solid.
First you request thanks and follow it up with projection.
Congratulations are in order to Ocasio.
Highlighting pathetic propoganda does not equal being upset. Solid Democratic district that will be represented by a Democrat. Makes sense. Forward Together!
Voltaire2
(13,154 posts)Lots of hard work ahead. We have to enjoy these safe seats with some smiling and laughing.
Im with her!
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)I can't even. Just too many things wrong with this.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Crowley was apparently taking him on consistently.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)The man is unhinged and changes on a whim. But, sure.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Voltaire2
(13,154 posts)Gaggle of new young Democrats entered the house and shook things up. It was seriously great.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)All of this "she hasn't done anything" rhetoric is depressing.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Republicans won the presidency, the Senate and we lost 35 House seats. So. I fail to see how that is even relevant. The elections of 74 did not foreshadow a big progressive Democratic/progressive victory... sadly quite the opposite.
Voltaire2
(13,154 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)shitshow that followed these more than 30 years. Ok I looked at both 80 and 74...don't see what you mean. I recognize a name or two, but do not see any real significance.
Voltaire2
(13,154 posts)But indeed if Trump barks, we should all run around in terror rending our hair.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)I can't recall him weighing in on a primary before.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)She's olny 28. What are her political creds?
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)I hope she lives up to that amazing platform of hers.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)I read his twitter earlier when his name appeared here.
He hates & slanders every Dem from HRC, to Pres Obama, Kamala Harris, & Tammy Duckworth.
He's done everything he can to campaign against Democrats.
And he's a liar, by reading some of his tweets.
No Dem I know would call him a friend.
Anyway, that's how his name got involved.
What makes him corporate?
IronLionZion
(45,528 posts)turning out grass roots voters in a big enough way to defeat an establishment Dem who outspent her 10 to 1 as she refused to accept any corporate PAC money.
There's value in change and having new people involved in politics. Winning her primary as a 28 year old brown woman in a surprise upset is a political accomplishment. And she hasn't even taken office yet.
Even though neither she nor her parents are immigrants, she gives voice to immigrants and has obviously gotten the votes of US citizen immigrants at a time when it is a major political issue.
My sister and cousin live in that district and people were extremely excited. Lots of first time voters this year.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)You know, like when Hillary Clinton proclaimed that " women's rights are human rights" on the world stage in 1995 ~ UN Women's Conference, Bejing.
Cortez would gather a landslide victory this fall if only she could honor the brave woman who she borrowed her campaign quote from.
Its that simple.
She, right now has the power to unite.
I hope she realizes this and stands apart from those who did all they could to undermine the bravest female politician in American history.
Cortez would be wise to give credit where it belongs.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)Only old people that have already been in office should be in office.
The voters of that district in NY spoke. She's the Dem candidate. Support her. Them's the rules on DU.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Who said anything about only old people running?
Seems that meme is coming from her supporters.
I simply asked that she give credit to HRC since she used her iconic womens rights quote to campaign on. She would grab a solid landslide vote should she honor HRC in the very district HRC also won.
Imagine what that would do for the Dem voters in that district. Young & old.
In fact much of her platform is quite similar to Hillary's.
How you get 'fuck the young people ..only old should run' is your words, not mine.
Don't campaign on another Dem's iconic quote without giving her credit for the movement that came from that quote.
Dems do honor Dems, afterall.
Where the bitterness comes from is beyond me.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)How the everloving hell did this become about HRC? THIS woman won. Let's not make this about the Dem that didn't make it to the White House. Let's make this about the one that is going to go to the House.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)The pain will continue to run deep.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Why wouldn't she?
Its an iconic quote representing all the human rights issues Cortez ran her campaign on.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)Why are you making that inference?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)I simply asked a question & am inferring nothing what you accused me of.
Please stop.
I expect Cortez is a big enoigh person to not be weighed down by the slanderous lies inferred about HRC by certain media friends of her.
She could easily unite the good intended Dems & let the ill willed go wherever they choose.
theaocp
(4,244 posts)Try straightforward language. It really helps and your message wouldn't be so muddled.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Mariana
(14,860 posts)Did Clinton give credit to all the other people who used that exact phrase in speeches and in writing before she did?
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2018, 05:29 PM - Edit history (1)
Here.. Since you Asked, I am going to offer some education, just a small part as to who HRC is .
I can't do anything about those who still refuse to know the history of this woman's fight for human riights , much less her enormous contributions to her campaigns for tolerance in the fight on a global scale.
Sorry, but the lack of knowing explains why a guy who wrote a book about "Rape Fantasy" at the age of 30 is somehow idolized along with the many many media talking heads who kept HRC from speaking , choosing to degrade & illigitimatize all she has contributed, above the many brave women in the history of suffregettes, voting rights, women's rights, children's health care & their rights as minors, racial equality, as well as LGBTQ & the shunning of Gays at the height of the AIDS epidemic.
How could anyone NOT know of Sec Clinton's accomplishments as a human rights advocate & fighter for policy that corrects the abuses of these mentioned & more.
How could all her years of dedication be so missed.
I guess the millions who chose her over the others knew who she was.
This has nothing to do with the Primaries, it is here because you questioned her credibility.
Here's a start:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10794126
mia
(8,362 posts)The notion that "women's rights are human rights" was first expressed with different phrasing by the abolitionists and proto-feminists Sarah Moore Grimké and Angelina Grimké Weld in the late 1830s. In her series of Letters on the Equality of the Sexes, Sarah Moore Grimké writes, "Consequently I know nothing of mans rights, or womans rights; human rights are all that I recognize".[2] A similar expression is used by her sister, Angelina Grimké Weld, in her speeches and personal letters. In a letter to her friend Jane Smith, she writes, "whatever is morally right for a man to do is morally right for a woman to do. I recognized no rights but human rights."[3]
The phrase "Women's rights are human rights" was used intermittently during the 1980s and first half of the 1990s, before Clinton's speech. Instances include in 1984, when The New York Times quoted the head of New York City's Human Rights Commission, Marcella Maxwell, using this phrase in conversation.[4] It was again used in 1985 by Cecilia Medina, a noted Chilean jurist, in a seminal paper on feminism.[5] The title of her work was 'Women's Rights as Human Rights: Latin American Countries and the Organization of American States (OAS).' In articulating the historic idea, Medina wrote, "As a logical consequence of the fact that women's rights are human rights, feminism, in theory, is a movement to achieve a democratic society, without which human rights may not be fully enjoyed."
Canadian politician Ed Broadbent, who was the head of the International Centre for Human Rights and Democratic Development, used the phrase in an interview with the Calgary Herald in January 1993 when he stated, "If we believe as a society that women's rights are human rights, then it is time to stop discriminating against women in refugee policy."[6] The phrase was used by Laurel Fletcher during a 1993 international law symposium called Human Rights Violations Against Women, an edited version of which was published by Fletcher, Allyn Taylor and Joan Fitzpatrick in 1994.[7] Article 3 of Malaysian Charter on Human Rights, published in December 1994 by a number of non-governmental organizations, begins with the sentence "Women's Rights are Human Rights."[8]
None of these cases included the other half of Clinton's phrase.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_are_human_rights
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)Wrong. I really don't want to hold it against you but you've been so super about it to this point. Ignorance is bliss, I guess.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)I sincerely doubt Clinton would ever pretend that she was the first person to use that phrase. You're the one who is falsely making that claim.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Pity she cannot be credited for her lifetime of accomplishments in human rights.
Pity some are so full of hatered for the woman who bravely stood on the world stage & challenged
others to recognize that women are equal.
Its really pathetic to see those who beat tgeir chests at the violation of equal rights while condemning this woman who gave her entire career to advocating for the same on a global scale.
Shame on those who cannot bring themselves to give a fking bit of honor to this one woman who clearly stood there for us all & faced the barrage of mysogynistic lies & slander from the grown men who for the sheer sport of it paraded their patriarchy as they mocked & humiliated this one woman & in that moment berrated us all.
Its a fking shame to see a women claim the words of HRC while her own endorsers smear this brave woman's worth like feed to starving rats.
And they call themselves Democrats?
It is in name only.
It is right to honor her name & hold her work for women's rights in a place among the greats of feminism.
Anything less dishonors the legacy of all those who did their part.
Do what you like, but I'll walk with the others who know the worth of this woman's lifelong mission, who vowed to break the barriers of equality by standing on the world stage in Bejing 1995 by speaking to women's rights as a human right.
Mock her, slander her name, wipe her off the pages of your own history book.
I will proudly stand with her before I ever embrace a pussy grabber or a Rape Fantasy writer.
I'll stand with the long line of women who made a difference on behalf of women & girls around the world.
http://womenyoushouldknow.net/inspired-illustration-feminism-work-pays-tribute-pioneers-moved-womens-history-forward/
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)Show some respect.Or comprehension. Or both.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)win as she did in the same district.
And Crowley sucked too.
I hope she can live up to all she'd like to without getting sidetracked by the people who sidelined HRC.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)Please? The whole world doesn't revolve around HRC.
She should probably give credit to Sojourner Truth, too, who did a shitload for women of color.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Why, as a fellow Democrat, wouldn't she honor the woman who bravely stood before the world & claimed "women's rights are human rights".
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)How much bowing before the throne does she need to do?
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)Mariana
(14,860 posts)And because she plagiarized Clinton's platform and stole a line from her speech, a line that wasn't even original to Clinton, but had been used many times before. It's not like Ms. Ocasio-Cortez actually accomplished anything deserving of respect.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210794235#post79
BeyondGeography
(39,379 posts)There's this thing called authenticity you might want to look into.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)EVERYTHING is ALL about HRC. Get on board, man.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)theaocp
(4,244 posts)hahahahahahaha. Sure. Lack of credit is causing the vapors. Hahahahaha.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)Which everyone knows is from HRC. But, yeah, she needs to do more to credit HRC because it's all about HRC.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)That every frickin' Dem and most of humanity realizes is from HRC. It's not like she stole it or something.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)It holds a lot of meaning for those who walked that walk for many years.
You may not think so, but many others do.
Cuthbert Allgood
(4,965 posts)I mean if the point is that you need to respect those that went before you and used the line, surely Clinton gave that credit.
I'll wait.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)tkmorris
(11,138 posts)Good luck with your crusade though. It's looking a little ragged but surely if you just keep plugging away people will eventually come round.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)to the exclusion of all else. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez only won because Crowley sucked and because she quoted Clinton's line (that wasn't original to Clinton anyway).
Docreed2003
(16,875 posts)Which is to say...none
Vinca
(50,303 posts)Congratulations to her and may there be many more.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Sounded reeeeally familiar.
Glad to see so many finally approved of it.
Vinca
(50,303 posts)I am now and always have been a far left socialist Commie pinko. But I always vote for the Democrat and I expect Democrats to do the same when a "socialist" candidate is on the ballot as a Democrat.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Yes. It should work both ways.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)News flash: The REAL crisis is here now!
K&R
True Blue American
(17,988 posts)But I honestly want young blood in both Leadership and in Congress.
We need fresh ideas going forward. Crowley took his voters for granted.did not show up for Debates or campaign.
The old Seniority is tired and worn out. We have lost for 8 years now. The old Leaders are not working for us. They are just occupying seats.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)There's something wrong if we're not turning over our leaderdership positions regularly, but something else wrong if we don't keep a few icons in office well into old age.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Never heard of him until last night. Talk about flying under the radar.
Where Democrats hold a safe, substantial majority in a congressional district, we can expect centrist candidates, especially bad ones, to be occasionally "upset."
Unlike what the national media is peddling, 16,000 voters in NYC do NOT represent a national trend.
Freethinker65
(10,048 posts)Congratulations to all of our democratic primary winners that fought hard to represent their districts.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He was leading a protest at the border just two weeks ago.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)If not then he made a huge tactical error. When I first heard he skipped out on a debate, I thought he got what he deserved. This mitigates it, but on first glance an incumbent not being willing to debate is a big part of the problem we have in this country today.
exboyfil
(17,865 posts)This article says he was actually doing the following:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/opinion/joseph-crowley-alexandria-ocasio-cortez.html
Instead of attending Monday evenings debate, which was hosted by The Parkchester Times, Mr. Crowley visited a civic association meeting in Queens. Ms. Ocasio-Cortez was left to debate Mr. Crowleys chosen surrogate, Ms. Palma. Ms. Palma once represented the Bronx on the City Council and now serves in Mayor Bill de Blasios administration as a deputy commissioner at the Department of Social Services.
Lonestarblue
(10,063 posts)A recent poll showed that millennials are not necessarily swayed by the Democratic or Republican Party. I suspect that many of them who voted in 2016 voted for an independent candidate. We need to have policies that appeal to them. They are more concerned about good education at a lower cost, good jobs, affordable housing, and fair treatment of minorities (though some white millennials still reflect parental biases). This digital generation embraces technology and wants to see a government that embraces it also. The Democratic Party supports all those goals, but our messengers need to be more like people of their generation or at least closer in age to them.
I suspect Crowley lost because he took his district support for granted, but also because he did not address the specific issues of the district. Like Crowley, the national Democratic Party leadership seems a bit out of touch. The electorate has moved to the left on them, and they seem afraid to embrace the bigger solutions like Medicare for all that younger candidates are supporting.
vi5
(13,305 posts)..because apparently those are the only ones that exist.
Never mind that conservative independents have actually been shown time and time again to just be unaffiliated Republicans.
Never mind that there are just as many if not more non-voters to be appealed to by supporting progressive policies.
Too many in the Dem leadership listen only to the milquetoast voices in the media that insist that all independents are conservatives or moderates who want bullshit "sensible solutions" or "reaching across the aisle for bipartisanship.
You hit the nail on the head, our leadership ignores the truth at OUR peril. Not their peril since they are all wealthy and taken care of.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)This is a Democratic seat...doesn't help us take the house. I just want Dems to win...don't care about anything else...also I don't know much about Crowley but he was in leadership and taking on Trump. I am just not concerned much with ideology this year as most seats we need in order to take the House are not in blue states or districts.
If this was flipping a GOP seat, I would be overjoyed. We must stop Trump. I want to take the money currently being used to primary sitting Democrats and use it in our fight for the senate...after yesterday's rulings and the union crushing one expected today, I am sure you understand why this is such a priority for me and others.
vi5
(13,305 posts)People are tired of hearing "Well we have to support a more conservative Dem because it's a more conservative district. DON"T PRIMARY THEM!!!", but then being told they also can't primary Dems with more progressive candidates in solidly blue districts because.........reasons?
still_one
(92,393 posts)New York's 14th very blue Congressional District.
It somewhat reminds me of the conclusion the NY Times came to blaming President Obama and the Democrats for their "hubris" in causing the republicans to turn away from climate change:
"The Republican Partys fast journey from debating how to combat human-caused climate change to arguing that it does not exist is a story of big political money, Democratic hubris in the Obama years and a partisan chasm that grew over nine years like a crack in the Antarctic shelf, favoring extreme positions and uncompromising rhetoric over cooperation and conciliation."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/us/politics/republican-leaders-climate-change.html
Theses attempts to extrapolate sweeping conclusions from one blue district election in New York represents one thing, those New Yorkers in the 14th district.
I guess with that implied conclusion, Cynthia Nixon would be another long shot winner.
It also conveniently ignores the previous special elections that have taken place thus far, and perhaps the most striking event that every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states in 2016 lost to the establishment, incumbent, republican, and those Democrats were liberal by any standard.
Time of course will be the final arbitrator, but to draw a sweeping conclusion on one blue district, is such an over-simplification is laughable.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)"At his annual holiday party, city officials were expected to perform karaoke, singing and dancing on the stage to a song of Mr. Crowleys choosing."
We don't need this kind of mentality in the Dem party.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Did you see how he congratulated his opponent last night?
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)Last edited Wed Jun 27, 2018, 10:31 AM - Edit history (1)
From what I can tell, you need to cement your relationships around here in order to improve your chances for benefits and perks in that other world that the entitled circles claim does not exist. If you think you're about to get investigated, write a check to the Police Department. If you want immediate support, install an American flag on your car and scowl at anyone you drive by that doesn't fit in.
So, I do have a beef with elected officials who have enough clout and power to add to this environment by requiring city officials to perform for him.
Mike Nelson
(9,966 posts)
tells me is that the people saying the Democratic Party is "old" are wrong. I've always said there are hundreds of great people! Also, the Bernie Sanders style can work without Bernie and within the Democratic Party! Big cheers to Cortez! I thought Crowley's concession was nice, too.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)I do hope this is a sign that a deep blue wave is rolling in.
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)I just found out she was an aide to Senator Ted Kennedy. I thought she was an product of our revolution, but shes so much more than that. Being of color, when she says working class she isnt talking about white people and she made that clear during her campaign.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But I have read up on the kid after her lightning bolt last night. She has all the hallmarks of a 1960s firebrand liberal, the type that called for us to get over ourselves and reach for higher things for society. The work with Teddy is a plus for me. I really like what I see with the kid, she should be an excellent Rep.
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)A Bernie endorsee. She is spectacular, and I think this one is could be just as good with a little time and experience.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)she is good news for America. nt
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Her victory is very specific to this district.
Voltaire2
(13,154 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)In any case, I think this piece from the NY Times is off base. I feel like her win was very much a testament to what a great candidate she was for her district (which had been significantly redistricted since Crowley won there, to the point that he lived in the previous version of the district, not the current one).
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)But Im Thinking once she gets in office, shell do much better as the work begins.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am just saying that her victory is much more about her district than anything else.
ismnotwasm
(42,008 posts)Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Thanks for clarifying what that poster meant. Not sure what was funny though. The NY Times piece seems completely off base to me.
Demsrule86
(68,667 posts)samnsara
(17,635 posts)ck4829
(35,090 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)But to read the NY Times piece, you would think establishment candidates are doing poorly overall. When, for the most part, they're dominating.
awesomerwb1
(4,268 posts)MineralMan
(146,329 posts)in that district. I just looked at the overall primary results. I'm more interested in who is running in districts with an incumbent Republican in office. I don't know NY, so I'm going to need some help in seeing who might flip a seat.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/26/us/elections/results-new-york-primary-elections.html
Any insights?
Still, a great victory for this woman. Since the district is solid Blue, she'll be walking into the House chamber next year. Brava!
IronLionZion
(45,528 posts)The old "no experience" so new people should be discouraged from running for office is one of my favorites. "No experience" has come up many times in my career. It's another way of saying you're too uppity and need to learn your place.
This condescending attitude is exactly what inspires many new voters so seek out change. If they were happy with what they had, they would be voting to reelect the incumbent.
Maybe someone will come along and say the voters are ungrateful?
The best way to win millennial votes is to call them entitled, lazy, and worthless.
welivetotreadonkings
(134 posts)Particularly those who are always so eager to exploit identity politics when it suits them.
Squinch
(51,004 posts)bots coming out of the woodwork and trying to gin up divisions over this. People seem to be DYING for Hillary supporters to be in a tizzy of upset over this and seem crushed that nothing of the sort is happening.
welivetotreadonkings
(134 posts)Crowley lamented that he couldn't help that he was born white. Heads would be exploding if their roles had been reversed, that's the kind of exploitation I'm referring to.
Also, I happily voted for Hillary, and I'm not a bot.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)A progressive Dem won a primary in a progressive district in NY.
She will almost certainly be elected in November.
How can anyone make this a bad thing?
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)1) We lost a leader in the House
2) She'll be a back bencher and inexperienced.
3) She's a Democratic Socialist
4) She's too connected to various people we don't like
5) She'll never get anything passed she ran on.
6) People will misinterpret the significance of her victory.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)torius
(1,652 posts)... The notion that "women's rights are human rights" was first expressed with different phrasing by the abolitionists and proto-feminists Sarah Moore Grimké and Angelina Grimké Weld in the late 1830s. "
[link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_rights_are_human_rights|
George II
(67,782 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)...but I like him!
mvd
(65,180 posts)Bernie can't do it alone or forever and doesn't have a D after his name. As much as I like him, we need people like Ocasio-Cortez.