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htuttle

(23,738 posts)
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:08 PM Jun 2018

Could a Congress (and a President) legalize abortion regardless of the status of Roe v Wade?

The Roe v Wade case was based on an interpretation of the right to privacy, if I'm understanding the ruling correctly.

Could a Congress pass legislation that would explicitly affirm the right to abortion? I would think so, but I'm not sure how it would be able to overrule the 20 or so states (based on a count I read today) that re likely to criminalize abortion again, if Roe v Wade is overturned.

Would there need to be a constitutional amendment to legalize it nationwide?




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Could a Congress (and a President) legalize abortion regardless of the status of Roe v Wade? (Original Post) htuttle Jun 2018 OP
Overturning Roe v. Wade louis c Jun 2018 #1
Yep, we'll win by losing imo. gulliver Jun 2018 #3
What happens if the court grants personhood to fetuses exboyfil Jun 2018 #4
Might I suggest you read Roe v Wade? jberryhill Jun 2018 #8
Errr, second trimester/third trimester is where it happens ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #9
Good golly, no jberryhill Jun 2018 #10
I didn't say "when life begins". I said "viability" ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #11
"Personhood" is simply not a relevant concept jberryhill Jun 2018 #12
Agreed. "Personhood" is a silly term coined to infuse "viability" with emotion ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #13
I would say "vast majority" is an overestimation... vi5 Jun 2018 #5
Yes mythology Jun 2018 #2
They can do it with just legislation BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #6
Sure, but they will not Hekate Jun 2018 #7
 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
1. Overturning Roe v. Wade
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:13 PM
Jun 2018

would place the issue in each state to decide.

This will be a political plus for Democrats, as no one can say they are opposed to abortion, but it's the law of the land. Every elected official will have to take a stand and I believe pro-choice is in the vast majority.

Law of unintended consequences.

gulliver

(13,188 posts)
3. Yep, we'll win by losing imo.
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:23 PM
Jun 2018

Republicans will suddenly get very reasonable. Right now Roe v. Wade is their friend.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. Might I suggest you read Roe v Wade?
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:38 PM
Jun 2018

Roe v Wade assumes that as a given.

There is nothing in Roe v Wade which hinges on any definition of personhood.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
9. Errr, second trimester/third trimester is where it happens
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:40 PM
Jun 2018

First trimester is (supposed to be) up to the woman. Personhood depends on viability of the fetus if I'm not mistaken.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. Good golly, no
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:53 PM
Jun 2018

Roe v Wade is not based on any definition of “when life begins”.

Logically, of course, a legitimate state interest in this area need not stand or fall on acceptance of the belief that life begins at conception or at some other point prior to live birth

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
11. I didn't say "when life begins". I said "viability"
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:57 PM
Jun 2018

My understanding was that the state has an interest beginning at some point in the second trimester. Before that time, it is a privacy issue.

Oh, maybe I'm confusing the term "personhood"?

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
5. I would say "vast majority" is an overestimation...
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:24 PM
Jun 2018

...majority, yes. But 20 or more years of the "abortion is icky" and the "let's reduce the number of abortion" hair splitters supposedly on our side have done nothing to help our cause and probably a lot to hurt it.

BumRushDaShow

(129,398 posts)
6. They can do it with just legislation
Wed Jun 27, 2018, 07:32 PM
Jun 2018

assuming Congress passes it and a President signs it.

The issue would be that it would obviously face lawsuits and end up at the SCOTUS. Not sure what Constitutional Amendment the other side would cite but they would certainly try to battleram some of their previous arguments that failed in the past, that may have a more sympathetic court in another go-around.

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