I am coming to the conclusion that

[boston bean]

putting faith in our justice system, ie Mueller and judges to save us is ill advised.

We are in a political fight for our lives and way of life. These institutions are not enough to save us. The people will be the only thing that can right this ship.

We are under constant attack.

I don’t care if trumpass spends one day in prison.

I do care that our country survives his corrupt presidency and his corrupt enablers.

That is why I believe good people need to spill the beans on these deplorables. We have no time to waste to stop the freight train we are on taking us for a ride to fascism.

Once we know, we need to take every opportunity to protest w/o violence in every way possible.

[wasupaloopa]

1. I agree wit you. What we need to do is take over the House and investigate the living shit out of

trump, his family and his enablers.

He seems too cocky right now. Starting January 2019 we need wall to wall coverage of trump investigations.

[boston bean]

3. We are in desperate need of a political solution. We are fighting a political war.

[DownriverDem]

34. Yes

Let's see if the voters have the stomach to do the right thing next November. I put some of the blame on the voters. I sure hope they have awaken.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

36. it's a coalition of the corrupt and the co-opted.

To think Patriotism was vitally important just a few years ago. Conspiracies are more sacred than the Constitution.

[still_one]

2. I agree BB, and actually thought that from the start, that the Mueller investigation would do

nothing.

At this point the only thing that can save us is the vote in 2018 and 2020, and after 2016 I have less faith in that because I am starting to believe too many people do not care until they are REALLY impacted, and it may be too late by then

[smirkymonkey]

4. To be honest, I am not counting on Mueller or Avenatti or anyone else to save us.

It's up to us. We are pretty much on our own here.

[lunasun]

7. Imo all that twitter crap "Mueller any day now" from so called sources were attempts to lull people

in to a false security that everything would just turn out right the way liberals wanted with justice and be completely taken care of so don't worry or resist and have been quite effective for some time now.
Waiting on the Mueller train and other rumors can be started by anyone
But facts are facts

[smirkymonkey]

8. I am basically living and approaching life as if there is no such thing as Mueller.

Because I really don't think he is going to be our savior. He may find some things but the chances that his findings will have any effect upon the direction that this country is heading is slim to none.

[lunasun]

13. If you see my old posts you know against popular opinion here I have not thought much would

come of it all but have usually ended my posts with saying that if Mueller indictments make a difference it would be an unexpected and welcome surprise. That's all I have, and of course am happy to see the current indictments moving forward.

[Raster]

5. I wholeheartedly agree with you, Bean...

"We are in a political fight for our lives and way of life. These institutions are not enough to save us. The people will be the only thing that can right this ship."

Civil Disobedience are the words of the day!

[Va Lefty]

6. I agree. Never thought that a former FBI Director was going to ride in and save us.

See Hoover, Edgar, J.

[lunasun]

10. +++Esp a republican one

Remember also when some thought John Kelly would save the country and reign in trump and ignored his past at Southern Com?

[BlueJac]

9. Head scratch...

Nothing has been done to stop the Russians and their attacks on our social media and voting processes, and the word is they are gearing up to start their push. We are under attack from all angles and the Republicans have teamed up with Trump and the Russians to keep the pressure on all fronts. Making everyone's head spin faster every day. No one wants to see violence, and I hope that never comes. I do care if Trump goes where traitors go, and all his enablers with him. If we would of handled post Bush 2 differently we might be in a better position now, they got away with many illegal things. Being civil has never done the Democrats any good in the past. We all must vote together to repel the Orange Disaster.

[mikeysnot]

11. Two words.

Scooter Libby.

Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Powell/Rice led us to war under false pretense, spent trillions of dollars, maximized war profits for themselves, destroyed a CIA front organization (Brewster Jennings) after outing a CIA Agent (Valerie Plame) that monitored proliferation of WMD in the middle east.

And all we got was obstruction of justice and a commuted sentence.

I hope I am wrong and I am not giving up. But I will not be surprised if this is all a dog and pony show and some low levels might go down and trump will be protected by the r's.

[duforsure]

12. Don't give up!

We can turn this around but everyone's help is needed even more now than it was yesterday. Good always wins over evil , and this is just energizing people more to stand up and fight this attack on our Democracy.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. Agree - an important timeline -Watergate

Posting it here boston bean - because I know you will appreciate and 'know it' - but it proves your point.



February 1971 - Sound activated recording system placed in the Oval Office. This is expanded to other rooms over the next two years.

June 13, 1971 - Pentagon Papers Released by Wa Po (NY Times was first). After WaPo published newspapers around the country published in solidarity.

A full year later -

June 17, 1972 - break in at the Watergate.

June 18, 1972 - Woodward and Bernstein's article on Watergate complex break in of the DNC's office is published by WaPo.

October 10, 1972 - Woodward and Bernstein article connecting the Nixon Campaign to the DNC break in is published.

November 7, 1972 - Nixon is re-elected.

February 1973 - Senate votes to create the Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities

April 30, 1973 - Nixon's Chief of Staff H. R. Haldeman, Domestic Affairs Advisor John Ehrlichman, and
Attorney General Richard Kleindienst all resign

Presidential Counsel John Dean is fired.
****A few days later Woodward and Bernstein win a Pulitzer Prize for Public Service

May 17, 1973 - Watergate Hearings Begin


July 13, 1973 Alexander Butterfield reveals in his testimony the existence of the White House taping system.

July 16, 1973 - The White House Turns off the Taping System - This same day Butterfield's testimony is televised.

October 19, 1973 - Nixon offers a compromise on the tapes.

October 20, 1973 - Saturday night massacre begins with Cox.

November 1, 1973 - Leon Jaworski is appointed Counsel by Nixon.

April, 29, 1974 - A new subpoena is sent to Nixon who refuses to hand over the tapes to the Committee. He provides 'transcript' only citing national security concerns.

Committee issued its seven-volume, 1,250-page report on June 27, 1974

July 27, 1974 The first article of impeachment is brought by the committee against Nixon.

August 9, 1974 Nixon resigns

***********************************

We can't think of Mueller as the great savior. We have to save ourselves and take our country back - THIS November.

[Leith]

27. Your Post Highlights the Differences Between This and Watergate

Woodward and Bernstein wrote articles and we got information. There is nothing coming from Mueller's team except a few indictments and convictions of a few low level people. So what if Manafort is in jail? That was weeks ago.

There used to be sane Republicans who cared about the country, the rule of law, and were willing to be lawful and moral. Now we have Gowdy, Jordan, McConnell, Ryan, Nunes, and dozens more congress critters who are more interested in how somebody handled emails years ago than an openly treasonous vulgarity in the Oval Office.

I had some hopes in Mueller, but that's gone now. Every other person who might have cared more for our country than their corrupt party has disappointed us. Muller is Republican. Every other rethug has been shit so why should we expect him to be any better?

[JustAnotherGen]

30. I have no - none - ZERO expectation that any single one of them will be better

I refuse to get upset, angry, gnash my teeth about Kennedy or his replacement (who I DO believe will be installed within a month of Kennedy's retirement) - unless we lose this November.

IF we win. . . both the House and the Senate. IF we win? Then I believe a Democratic House and Senate will investigate Trump until he strokes out and more important - they will investigate Pence. Pence is weak. We can break him.

[TheBlackAdder]

15. Agreed. We must have cautious optimism, but prepare for contingencies-not another Garland assumption

.

Supposedly, the Dem leaders thought they were a shoo-in for 2016 and didn't push the Garland issue.

Now, in hindsight, we can see that absolutely NOTHING can be taken for granted.

.

[lancelyons]

16. I also have 2 words.

GO VOTE

Dont mess around with a green party candidate.. Dont let an independent get in the way.

If donald is running and gets 40 percent

Democrat 38
indepent 5
green 3

Trump wins. GO VOTE democrat. Grab your friends go vote. Get them registered GO VOTE.

Its going to take us some 20-30 years to undo whats is happening now.

This is a concerted effort by the GOP to stop the direction the Liberals are taking the country.

Get ahold of the state house and senates... get GOP man Comey to help days before the election (yes he did this on purpose for the GOP). Get Russians to help. Dont let Obama get a supreme cout judge...

this was planned out folks and we where stupid dumb and happy and got burned.

[Mr.Bill]

17. I've been saying for a long time here

that putting all our faith for the future of our country in a bunch of republican FBI agents is not a good idea.

[anarch]

19. ha! when you put it in so many words....

this situation is so completely FUBAR

[KPN]

18. Agreed. This has been the case since

day 1 in my view. Without control of both houses of Congress, Mueller’s findings will have no effect. A complicit GOP will do nothing in response to any finding by Mueller regardless of how egregious that finding may be as long as they are in control.

The only other possibility would be mass and extended unrest/protest against an intransigent Congress. By mass I mean literally millions in the streets daily. Anything less and a newly elected GOP majority would blow it off.

The tension, animus and danger are going to ramp up rather than down from today I’m guessing. Peaceful would be nice, but surprising in that case.

[hibbing]

20. A few minor convictions is all I see

Then he will pardon those criminals and move forward with the fascist agenda.


Peace

[elmac]

21. and its never been their job to save us

they are doing their best to bring justice while fighting fascists at every turn. The way things are, the way things are setup, I don't know how anything or anyone can save us short of a revolution.

[CrispyQ]

22. But we must be civil.

I am so disappointed in Schumer & Pelosi & their civility comments. I'm also disappointed that Schumer argued that the SCOTUS seat shouldn't be filled because it was an election year. Come on, of course McConnell came back & stipulated a presidential election year. From the get go, Schumer should have argued that a president being investigated shouldn't be able to seat a SCOTUS. Keep saying that: A PRESIDENT BEING INVESTIGATED OF COLLUDING WITH A FOREIGN POWER SHOULDN'T GET TO SEAT JUDGES. But no, Schumer's already gone out & made his argument & been shot down by McConnell.

The dems better sharpen up or even if they gain any control we'll still be screwed.

[NewJeffCT]

23. While I think Mueller will be very thorough

I get the impression that it would take something really extraordinary for him to go beyond a conservative reading of his authority as special counsel.

That said, I think Trump and his actions qualifies as extraordinary and treasonous, but will Mueller view it that way as well?

[Nitram]

24. I agree that we all must e prepared to take to the streets. I disagree with you about Trump's crimes

If he is not held accountable, it will happen again sooner than you think.

[Texin]

25. We may peacefully protest and speak, but that doesn't mean we won't face physical peril in doing so.

In fact, as peacefully as we undertake this, those forces on the right - tRump's base - are armed and dangerous, and they've shown no compunction or hesitancy about using them on the unarmed. There will be deaths to contend with. If we enter this fray, we better be prepared to die, because it's a real possibility.

[Freethinker65]

26. Mueller can expose the corruption and take down some

But, I agree, it will be up to the legislators and future Presidents chosen by us, the voters, to turn this disaster around.

[democratisphere]

28. 31% of Americans believe a Civil War grows near.

I agree with the 31%! Unfortunately, history always repeats itself!

[RandomAccess]

29. This has already been called a Cold Civil War

and I believe that.

Not so sure about actual warfare -- seems it would be a little difficult given the fact that we're mostly geographically dispersed.

[democratisphere]

31. Neighbors vs. neighbors in everywhere USA.

I truly thought we were past this kind of behavior but our country is at war with itself and it appears to be getting worse with everyday!

[lancelyons]

43. All because Fox news pushes anti liberal hate.. constantly

You dont see the same anti conservative statements on CNN or MSNBC.

[Initech]

32. This administration has declared an all out war on liberalism. Things are going to get ugly.

You think it's bad now? Give it 10 years to manifest itself. Then we'll really see the shit hitting the fan.

[DinahMoeHum]

33. IOW, folks: STOP WAITING for Wonder Woman, Black Panther. . .

. . .Superman, Bob Mueller, etc. and do it yourselves. Be your own heroes.

Get out there and volunteer for campaigns, protest, kick ass, disrupt, etc.

But FFS, don't piss and moan, sit at home, tweet, and do nothing.

[marieo1]

35. minngal

You know, I have thought this from the 'get-go'. They are all reps, they aren't really going to do anything. Oh yes, they have to make the Democrats believe they were really, really going after djt. They must be laughing their heads off at us!! I honestly thought Mueller was one of the good reps that was going to restore their party to the rep party of old. Ha!! Ha!! It is a sad reality!! We can't and mustn't trust a one of them. All they have done is keep Democrats mouths shut and give us false hope, while they do their dirty work.

[dajoki]

37. I believe...

that there are many people who know exactly what went on and continues to happen, they need to speak out now!!

[H2O Man]

38. "Be ye lamps

unto yourselves.
Be your own reliance.
Hold onto the truth within yourselves
as to the only lamp."
-- Buddha

[spanone]

39. K&R...

[Meowmee]

40. Agree

People who know need to talk. Problem is most of them are invloved in it and aren’t good or they are scared etc.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

41. Correct. Two things: get out the vote, and peaceful protest.

You can start the peaceful protest messaging here:

https://weprotectthetruth.com

[populistdriven]

42. This justice system worked

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc5_1380148472

[roamer65]

44. It's all riding on November.