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NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:39 AM Jun 2018

Why did Justice Kennedy hire 4 clerks for the upcoming Oct 2018 term?

Unless he was pressured into leaving, this doesn't make sense. His son's connections to Deutchebank are very troubling.

http://thehill.com/regulation/367950-ginsburg-kennedy-hire-law-clerks-for-future-supreme-court-terms

Meanwhile, Kennedy’s recent law clerk hires are also telling.

According to Above the Law, which first reported the law clerk news, he’s selected four clerks for the October 2018 term. The news may signal the court’s usual swing vote isn’t planning to retire at the end of the current term as rumored.

Sam Erman, an associate professor of law at the University of Southern California Gould School of Law, who clerked for Justice John Paul Stevens and then Kennedy, said it’s not uncommon for the justices to hire their law clerks for future terms this far in advance.

Erman also noted that retired justices are each allowed one law clerk.

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Why did Justice Kennedy hire 4 clerks for the upcoming Oct 2018 term? (Original Post) NightWatcher Jun 2018 OP
Because it is great for their resumes jberryhill Jun 2018 #1
This, he probably wanted to quiet the rumor mill and enjoy his last term in peace Amishman Jun 2018 #4
Bingo DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2018 #6
Because he wasn't pressured to retire prior until last week, when the Blue Wave seems apparent. TheBlackAdder Jun 2018 #2
Standard practice oberliner Jun 2018 #3
No, it isn't. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #7
"also a shitty thing to do to the four clerks he hired" jberryhill Jun 2018 #9
I guess it would depend on what job you were applying for. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #15
The ACLU would snap up a Kennedy law clerk ... EffieBlack Jun 2018 #21
Maybe they would... but would they want to work for the ACLU? The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #22
Possibly. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #23
Yes, it is oberliner Jun 2018 #12
Do you have some examples or citations? sl8 Jun 2018 #36
Citation needed mythology Jun 2018 #24
he wasn't then sure he would retire. unblock Jun 2018 #5
What happens to the 4 clerks? Sanity Claws Jun 2018 #8
They will be fine DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2018 #13
Maybe he is retiring because of extortion. yellerpup Jun 2018 #10
It does smell fishier than the tuna salad sub I left in my car last night. NightWatcher Jun 2018 #11
Or the uneaten cat food in the garbage can. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2018 #16
Thats funny. yellerpup Jun 2018 #17
Maybe that's one of the little tidbits the GOP defacto7 Jun 2018 #28
That's what I was thinking. yellerpup Jun 2018 #29
Between trump pressuring him duforsure Jun 2018 #14
Perhaps his son is a witness to or participant in a financial crime. yellerpup Jun 2018 #18
Because he wasn't thinking about retiring Cha Jun 2018 #19
that sounds about right.... FM123 Jun 2018 #27
Perfect. yellerpup Jun 2018 #30
I got it from Soph.. passing Cha Jun 2018 #31
or maybe he wasn't certain about retiring 8 months ago when he was hiring clerks onenote Jun 2018 #32
Thanks for the insight. yellerpup Jun 2018 #35
C'mon we know. He was planning to go for another term. Tatiana Jun 2018 #20
So what's the end game? Replace him with Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2018 #33
This is about consolidating power. Tatiana Jun 2018 #34
There may be more benign reasons such as recent health concerns. andym Jun 2018 #25
Bought off. kochs likely. Jakes Progress Jun 2018 #26
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. Because it is great for their resumes
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:41 AM
Jun 2018

And it also prevented the rumor mill from predicting his retirement with accuracy.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
4. This, he probably wanted to quiet the rumor mill and enjoy his last term in peace
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:47 AM
Jun 2018

He's 81, has been talking retirement for years, and while moderate he is a conservative. He is a smart man and knows the Republicans could easily lose the Senate in a few months. His ideology probably motivated him to retire now and maintain the rightward slant of the court. His retirement sucks but it makes sense without needing conspiracy theories.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,924 posts)
6. Bingo
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:48 AM
Jun 2018

Further, a retired Justice still retains one clerk. The other 3 "orphaned" clerks are traditionally picked up by the remaining justices.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
7. No, it isn't.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:50 AM
Jun 2018

Hiring four law clerks signaled that he was intending to stay for another term. It's possible that since hiring the clerks he was diagnosed with some health problem that made him decide to retire; otherwise it looks more like that was a ruse to conceal his intent to do so until the end of the term. This is not the usual way retirements are handled (and it was also a shitty thing to do to the four clerks he hired, unless his successor intends to keep them on).

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
9. "also a shitty thing to do to the four clerks he hired"
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:21 AM
Jun 2018

Meh, would you rather have or not have some formulation of "selected to clerk for Justice Kennedy" on your cv or not?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
15. I guess it would depend on what job you were applying for.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jun 2018

It might be a useful credential for some; not so much for others. I'd guess that anyone who had wanted to be one of Kennedy's clerks wouldn't be applying for a job at the ACLU, for example; but a big corporate law firm might see it as a plus.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Yes, it is
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:25 AM
Jun 2018

Especially if he was entertaining the possibility of sticking around past the current term, which he might have been. This has happened with past justices who ended up retiring. They would retain one of the four clerks and farm out the other three.

sl8

(13,795 posts)
36. Do you have some examples or citations?
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 02:40 PM
Jun 2018

I've been Googling up a storm, but have only turned up information regarding the last four Justices that have retired. None of them had hired a full complement of clerks before announcing their retirement. Stevens had hired one, instead of four, before his retirement (retired Supreme Court Justices are allowed one clerk).

I haven't found much regarding Marshall and previous justices, regarding hiring clerks prior to announcing their retirement.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
24. Citation needed
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:15 PM
Jun 2018

Every article I can find merely says that it hints that he was staying, nothing that says it is a requirement or even a general pattern.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
5. he wasn't then sure he would retire.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:47 AM
Jun 2018

whether there was pressure and/or bribes is worth investigating but remains to be seen.

it's also possible he simply wanted to avoid the risk of a democratic senate having a say in his replacement.
a democratic senate probably is a bit more likely today than it was when he hired his clerks.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
8. What happens to the 4 clerks?
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 10:52 AM
Jun 2018

These are prestigious positions and the would-be SC law clerks must have foregone other opportunities to accept them.
I'm sure that the 4 individuals have great resumes and will find something else on short notice but the opportunities are not the same as when they accepted this illusory opportunity.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,924 posts)
13. They will be fine
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:53 AM
Jun 2018

1 stays with Kennedy as retired Justices retain 1 clerk since they technically aren't retired, the other 3 will taken on by the remaining Justices.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
10. Maybe he is retiring because of extortion.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:22 AM
Jun 2018

His son was Trump's banker. They've got something over him. He wouldn't have hired clerks if he'd intended to stay.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
28. Maybe that's one of the little tidbits the GOP
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:05 PM
Jun 2018

passed on to Trump from the investigation per Senate enquiry.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
29. That's what I was thinking.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:23 PM
Jun 2018

It had to be the target who tipped him off. Didn't Trump say a little something like, "he will be able to retire with respect?" He was shaken down, and now he is paying (for his) respect. He most likely caved for his son's sake.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
14. Between trump pressuring him
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:59 AM
Jun 2018

And the media exposing Kennedy's son has given trump over 2.5 billion in loans , and kind of makes you wonder how much found it way into Kennedy's pockets from trump, and his kids funneling it to him. Did he used that to force him out with?

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
18. Perhaps his son is a witness to or participant in a financial crime.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 08:27 PM
Jun 2018

If he is a suspect under investigation, I can see that very easily played into extortion. The judge obviously did not intend to retire.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
32. or maybe he wasn't certain about retiring 8 months ago when he was hiring clerks
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:32 PM
Jun 2018

SCOTUS justices start interviewing (directly or indirectly) prospective clerks about a year in advance and usually have their clerks lined up before the end of the year -- and that appears to be the case with Kennedy, who had made hiring decisions for the October 2018 term back in December 2017.

So maybe he wasn't sure what he was going to do. In that situation, the logical thing to do would be to hire clerks, since the deeper into the year, the more difficult it would get (and other justices might have gobbled up the most attractive candidates).

While I opted not to pursue a court clerkship while in law school, several of my classmates did. Those that accepted positions with older judges did so with the knowledge that the judge that hired them might decide to retire by the time their clerkships were scheduled to start.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
20. C'mon we know. He was planning to go for another term.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 09:03 PM
Jun 2018

And then the Mafia pResident told him he was done. And maybe showed him some kompromat.

So he retired (under duress, IMO).

Watch his press conference. This doesn't look like a man happy to leave the bench. It looks like a man with a knife to his throat, with Gorsuch making sure he toes the party line.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
33. So what's the end game? Replace him with
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 11:54 PM
Jun 2018

a pawn...sure...but to win the vote on what? Abortion? Trump Indictment? It's got to be something that directly affects that mofo

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
34. This is about consolidating power.
Sat Jun 30, 2018, 12:59 AM
Jun 2018

My personal opinion is that they know the Republican base is a bit depressed (see the Alabama Senate result and recent Oklahoma primary results). If there is one thing the Republicans will rush to the polls for, it is the Supreme Court and overturning Roe vs. Wade. I'm sure they've done some polling -- that's why Kellyanne is still there. They can mobilize their base with the thought of a new Supreme Court seat.

They are hoping to stop the "blue wave" that is most certainly coming to a CD near you.

The Russians are still involved and Trump needs to ensure that there will be no repercussions from the conspiracies and illegal activities he has engaged in (and continues to engage in, IMO). I believe this fucker thinks he can pardon himself and wants a court with people who have taken a loyalty oath to him telling him he can.

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