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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 03:42 PM Jun 2018

The True Power of the Internet Affects Almost Everything

Yesterday evening, I was engaged in swatting flies on my front room picture window. For some reason, we've been infested with the creatures. At one point, one swat terminate three of the annoying insects. "Three at one blow!" I exclaimed. My wife said, "What?" I struggled to remember the source of my expression, but knew that it was a reference to something. I couldn't remember the source, though.

So, I picked up my Kindle Fire and asked Google in its browser. After failing to get a result, I suddenly remembered that the actual line was "Seven at One Blow!" That did it. Google linked me up to the Brothers Grimm fairy tail, "The Brave Little Tailor," which I read and remembered. Here's the thing, though: I read that fairy tale at about age 8 in a book of Grimm's fairy tales my parents had. I remembered the reference, but not its source.

Without the Internet, I probably wouldn't have been able to recover the source. I don't have a copy of that book, and my last reading of it was 64 years ago.

https://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm020.html

Or:



My point is that everyone now has instant access to the answer for almost any question. We no longer have to wonder about the source of something, and can find almost any information with just a quick search. I grew up in a time where every question of any obscurity meant hours in a library searching for an answer. No longer.

Everything is available to us today. We needn't be ignorant of things. If we're unsure, we can get the information we need. If we read something, we can fact check it almost instantly. We can learn about almost anything at almost any level of knowledge, from simple basic information to graduate school-level materials.

We need to make maximum use of this new access to information. There's no longer any excuse for ignorance. The answers are there. All we need to do is search for them, check the facts, and act from knowledge.

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The True Power of the Internet Affects Almost Everything (Original Post) MineralMan Jun 2018 OP
ignorance no qazplm135 Jun 2018 #1
We can use the Internet murielm99 Jun 2018 #2
Fact-checking. I mentioned that. We can do that, too. MineralMan Jun 2018 #3
I taught computer classes murielm99 Jun 2018 #6
well, sort of.... depends on what you're looking for... Locrian Jun 2018 #4
The internet is a double-edged sword marylandblue Jun 2018 #5
Why carry mountains of data in your head when your phone can do it for U! Baclava Jun 2018 #7
What's in your head helps you know MineralMan Jun 2018 #9
it's tough ... CloudWatcher Jun 2018 #8

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
2. We can use the Internet
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 03:51 PM
Jun 2018

for these types of searches, but we have to be educated about this. We need to know the difference between fact and opinion. Too many people misuse the Internet, even for the simplest searches.

I still use the library for much of my research. Libraries have changed a lot in the last few years, but they are still in the business of providing facts and a lot of good reading material.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. Fact-checking. I mentioned that. We can do that, too.
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 03:54 PM
Jun 2018

We've always had to do that, even before the Internet. There has always been misinformation. We have to be smart about fact-checking stuff.

I even went back and added boldfacing to those references, just in case someone didn't see them.

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
6. I taught computer classes
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 03:59 PM
Jun 2018

at a middle school years ago. Social media had not yet exploded to what it is today.

I spent several lessons on teaching the students how to tell factual from fictitious websites. I did it in a gentle way, using, for example two websites about Barney the dinosaur. One was the real site, and one was a spoof.

I gave them a chart about national magazines and newspapers, too. It rated them from liberal to conservative. I said I was not judging, and the list had been compiled by professional journalists, not their teacher.

I asked them, "What about the National Enquirer? Is it on there?"

They were smart enough to understand why I had asked that. Most of them hooted with laughter.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
4. well, sort of.... depends on what you're looking for...
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 03:56 PM
Jun 2018
My point is that everyone now has instant access to the answer for almost any question. We no longer have to wonder about the source of something, and can find almost any information with just a quick search. I grew up in a time where every question of any obscurity meant hours in a library searching for an answer. No longer.



Sure, if you want to know the box score for a 1962 cubs game, the actress who played xx in xx movie - pretty handy.

But you can also effortlessly find and filter information to suit any preconceived bias or belief. Automatically if you only go to certain sites, FB feeds, etc. All in the safety of your home (bubble) without engaging other persons or their viewpoints.

In addition - you can find people that will obsess over the intimate details of *anything* - without its (the detail) relevance in the context of the whole. In other words - obsess over unimportant details.

Sure it's a powerful thing - opening doors etc, if you're curious. But also a powerful tool to build an iron clad bubble around oneself.


marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
5. The internet is a double-edged sword
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 03:59 PM
Jun 2018

You can get simple facts easier than ever, especially on non-controversial topics like the contents of fairy tales. But political misinformation spreads faster than ever. Larry Kudlow said Trump brought the deficit down. It will be repeated all over the Internet. How many people are going to check it out for themselves? How many don't even know where to get official deficit numbers?

Also I've noticed people now overestimate their superficial knowledge from the internet. You can look up basic information easily. But to really understand a subject in depth still requires years of study. But if you can't link immediately to a website that spoonfeeds it to them, people think your years of study are worthless.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
7. Why carry mountains of data in your head when your phone can do it for U!
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 04:02 PM
Jun 2018

A 7 year old with a smart phone is smarter than most adults without one.

Chew on that, lol

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
9. What's in your head helps you know
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jun 2018

What to search for. It also helps you sort out truth from nonsense.

CloudWatcher

(1,850 posts)
8. it's tough ...
Fri Jun 29, 2018, 04:25 PM
Jun 2018

It's pretty awesome. I remember using both Gopher and Mosaic when they first came out and thinking they were pretty cool, but had no idea so much would be online so quickly (relatively speaking).

And over the years I've had countless discussions with my son about what sources to trust and how much to trust anything that you have read. Now he's started bringing up arguments from epistemology and I just grumble and go back to cursing Trump and finishing my beer. He's 22 now but this has been a continuing discussion since he was about 10.

And with Europe's 'right to be forgotten' laws it's not going to get any easier.

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