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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrumps incompetence is starting to take hold, the world is starting to turn away from him.
Trump looks like a dam fool with his North Korea disaster. The world knows he is an idiot. Trump will have a hard time getting other countries to join him on sanctions when needed which will be a disaster.
Tariffs are going to hurt American workers. It could have a major affect on the world economy.
Trump spiked the economy with giant tax cuts and deregulation. There are no more spikes left. If the economy starts going into recession, what are they going to do? More tax cuts? Good luck with that. The deficit is going through the roof.
His attack on immigrants, health care will weaken the economy.
It will not be too much longer before the Obama economy ends. The Trump mirage will be exposed and he won't be able to lie his way out of this.
On top of that, trump and many of his people are being investigated for conspiring with the enemy to attack our election so Trump could gain power. They are fucking traitors.
Trump is going to have a very bad ending. I have said this from day one.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)It all comes down to the economy.
McKim
(2,412 posts)A Stop Shopping Campaign that is quiet and under the radar is the best idea on this entire website platform. We should all just quietly do what we can. As Rev. Billy of The Church of Stop Shopping would say, it is good for your soul as well. A walk in the park costs nothing and brings joy. We can discover more satisfying lives. And sooner or later everything turns up at the thrift stores of America!
rainin
(3,010 posts)Let trump do his thing. Republicans will own it.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I cannot quite grasp the fantasy that people will be induced to "stop shopping" or engage in some "general strike" absent some identifiably simple connection between those actions and an outcome which is generally desired.
These are more the fantasies of people with a keyboard and a dream that "gee, if me and tens of millions of other people did something, it would...." do what?
Because those tens of millions of people aren't going to do so if it cannot be explained in simple terms. Try running as an experiment the steps of (a) going up to a random person you meet and (b) persuading them to "stop shopping" if they want _______ (c) fill in that blank and explain how "stop shopping" gets them whatever you fill in there.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)but i've been on close to starvation rations since the Iraq War. Even 8 years of Obama didn't help much bc of the gop filibuster of all progress. Stop buying...what? The price of all things including food will make that a reality anyway.
SOOOOO 'effin pissed the gop stole that (and probably other) elections through cheating and chicanery.
cungar2000
(98 posts)Instead of winning elections based on a cohesive message, tell Democrats to purposely kill the economy. Maybe we can kill our chances of winning elections for the next 25 years.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)to the people who can least afford it - small businesses, retired people, service and retail workers. And anyhow, it's too diffuse and lacking a discernible goal. What do I buy, or not buy? Obviously I have to buy food and other necessities, but do I buy cheaper ones? Use leaves instead of toilet paper? If my stove breaks do I not replace it even though it means I can't cook for my family? If my car is totaled in an accident do I not buy a new one even though I need a car to get to work? And at that point do I start realizing that my not buying a new car won't do shit unless many millions of other people are also not buying new cars or refrigerators or going to movies or buying toilet paper. And if those things are not bought, the guy down the street who works at a car dealership or appliance store is out of work, as is the kid who sells popcorn at the movie theatre, the retired couple across the street has lost the value of their retirement fund, and after awhile there are no leaves on my trees and Costco is out of business. Yes, the economy is damaged, but don't forget, we are the economy.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)are not doing much for the economy. Job growth in 2017 was barely break even for a country with a growing population (though, Trump gets away with bragging about all the jobs he created...) and the weakest since 2011 when we were still recovering from the Great Bush Recession.
Wage growth was disappointing under Obama, but had improved his last two years in office. Wage growth improved in the first year under Trump, but not is you look deeper - it was actually down because inflation has spiked under Trump.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,399 posts)It's just helping prop Trump up.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I've heard Democrats on air that are opposite Trumpers and when the Trumper spouts the BS about job creation and rising wages, the Democrat almost never rebuts the mediocre numbers.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,399 posts)samnsara
(17,613 posts)..they are starting to flee....or become impotent.....leaving the squishy center all exposed. Burnt Marshmallow..
Freethinker65
(10,008 posts)What they did know is that Trump would surround himself with incompetent ideologs (and competent ideologs that pledged loyalty to Trump over their ideals).
machoneman
(4,006 posts)Our suffering is really just starting as the prices on many things we buy are already programmed to go up. Add in higher interest rates due to their budget-busting tax cuts and higher health care costs due to anti-Obamacare changes and we are looking at a total pocketbook disaster that will strike just before the mid-terms.
Ah, but it will all be the Democrat's, Obama's, Clinton's and Pelosi's fault, right?
still_one
(92,108 posts)the time it is felt it usually cannot be turned around quickly, and other countries in order to protect themselves make new alliances and partnerships.
Once you lose a business or alliance, getting it back is very difficult, because you have lost credibility and trust
RVN VET71
(2,690 posts)When any of Orange Hair's programs fails, he points the finger back at Obama, at Hillary, at Bill clinton -- and he's seldom taken to task by the media. Of course, the media doesn't always get a real opportunity to confront him directly, but I don't recall seeing headlines about Trump as a liar, Trump as a hypocrite.
Seriously, why not: Trump Lies About "Success" of Talk With Kim; Trump Lies About A Non-existent Law Forcing the Separation of Children and Parents; Trump Lies About Pre-Campaign Putin Contacts; Trump Lies About Saving Jobs
Oh, I forgot, journalistic civility.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)"Everything Trump Touches Dies"
Even if Trump gets impeached and ridden out on his ass, the country will take decades to recover from this disaster.
Cha
(297,026 posts)Excellent Rant, Shockey!
jimlup
(7,968 posts)is that he may take the country down with him.
RVN VET71
(2,690 posts)And Trump couldn't care less about that, nor could any of the sycophantic Republican legislators who have followed Trump's lead because they see, in his policies, riches for themselves. (Yes, I'm looking at you, Susan Collins. You're no more a patriot than Mitch McConnell -- who admitted publicly that he would rather see the country go down the tubes if that's what it took to keep Obama an unsuccessful one-term president. Senator Collins, you're swimming in the same pool of offal as Mitch McConnell.)
+1
duforsure
(11,885 posts)Or has Putin got him doing all this to create chaos, and to hurt ours and others economies around the world? Putin hugger trump is doing everything putin wants , and is against everything American, hmmmmmm!
Texin
(2,594 posts)tRump has publicly admitted that he, like his mentor buddy Bannon, thrive on chaos. Shitler enjoys being a shit-stirrer even when it makes him look like an oafish cretin or an incompetent tool (which he is). The fact that it benefits Putin's aims (i.e., to split NATO apart and drive a wedge between the US and NATO members), it isolates the US at a time when we, as well as the rest of our trading and strategic alliances are facing economic pressures, and it makes the Western alliances vulnerable to Russian assault.
gordianot
(15,236 posts)That fall has been building his entire life. He will be lucky to avoid lamp posts when the time comes.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,984 posts)gordianot
(15,236 posts)Not Democrats or Mueller but other furies. What happens when you ride the whirlwind. Trump despises failure and at the end of the day he is a massive self loathing bundle of failure.
RVN VET71
(2,690 posts)And Trump's followers seem to stick with him, despite the clear and present danger he poses to them. Things look bad? It's because of Obama. Trump tells them that and that's all they need to hear. So, yeah, some of the saps Trump conned into supporting him may wake up and turn on him. Most, I think, won't -- even as they wait on the bread lines.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,984 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I don't know how somebody so stupid, corrupt, incompetent, venal, obnoxious and dishonest could have escaped his comeuppance for so many years.
Texin
(2,594 posts)It's breathtaking, actually. I've never seen any so-called human being get away with everything he has from the time he was a kid up into 70s now. If there was ever a person who deserved to have a grand piano fall out of an 80 story building window and right onto his head, it's this shithead. But it won't. And if it ever did, it'd probably break into a million tiny splinters and he'd still walk away unscathed.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Great post! I sooooooo want him to get what he deserves in a spectacularly gruesome way! How this walking tub of cholesterol is still alive I will never know.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,984 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
Europe and old allies are turning away. But the rising oligarchical authoritarian powers who will dominate world economy are China and Russia. And they are not turning away. In fact, they see the utility in working together. Even they hate each other. Just follow the money and the flow of power. Forget any kind of guiding ethics.
Meantime, the EU really should stick together to have a prayer of resisting the huge economic change that's coming.
Johonny
(20,827 posts)Gothmog
(145,046 posts)azureblue
(2,146 posts)That's all Trump has. he is a fake, a poser, a loser who thinks he can bully and get his way. An utter failure.
djacq
(1,633 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)Blast off!
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)Unfortunately, the lousy piece of crap is going to drag all of us down with him.
The only real hope is if we can shed our cynicism and take back the republic.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,359 posts)Just kidding.
colorado_ufo
(5,731 posts)All Trump is interested in is enriching himself and making Putin happy. In order to know what Trump's endgame is, you would have to know what Putin's endgame is.
Thekaspervote
(32,750 posts)Or at least a blog. Simply stated, no fanfare just the facts!
You are right the economy is going to take a hit. This fall with no place for 40 percent of the soy beans China isnt going to buy ought to kick it into gear. Hate to see anyone suffer, but the rural American farmer that voted for him... well they are going to get what they voted for. Well see how far he drags the rest of us down the rabbit hole