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Demovictory9

(32,456 posts)
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 02:22 PM Jul 2018

Boss couldn't tolerate "drama" of employee whose son was on life support. fired when texts go viral







'If you can't come to work that's you quitting': Manager is fired over 'heartless' texts that she sent to a mother who couldn't come to work after her son was put on life support
Crystal Reynolds Fisher shared text messages between her and her manager
Fisher, who works at PS Food Mart, told manager her son was on life support
In the texts, the manager berates Fisher for not being able to come to work
She then says that if Fisher didn't come to work that meant that she had quit
Fisher's son, Jason, is still on life support & doctors think he has cellulitis sepsis
Manager was fired from position at PS Food Mart Monday, following the incident

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Boss couldn't tolerate "drama" of employee whose son was on life support. fired when texts go viral (Original Post) Demovictory9 Jul 2018 OP
Cold. Very cold irisblue Jul 2018 #1
DO you have more to this story? Louis1895 Jul 2018 #2
link Demovictory9 Jul 2018 #3
Thanks! Louis1895 Jul 2018 #6
Like this one? Louis1895 Jul 2018 #4
Thanks for posting the link. SharonClark Jul 2018 #16
Oh well. I guess now she'll have plenty of time to concentrate on her own "drama". nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2018 #5
What a heartless pig malaise Jul 2018 #7
That would be a wrongful termination lawsuit in a country with actual labor laws. meadowlander Jul 2018 #8
Links Solly Mack Jul 2018 #9
Boss sounds like the kinda person who would refuse an 89 year old bathroom privileges. nt LanternWaste Jul 2018 #10
What a disgusting POS that broad is. I bet she's a trumpass. boston bean Jul 2018 #11
Are any right-to-life groups applauding this decision? n/t MarcA Jul 2018 #12
Welcome to tRump world. BHDem53 Jul 2018 #13
Manager sounds like an asshole ... but pretty sure was within their rights to fire her ... mr_lebowski Jul 2018 #14
Pretty sure you're wrong kcr Jul 2018 #17
umm. Right to Work means Right to Fire for NO CAUSE OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #20
umm. NO SHIT kcr Jul 2018 #26
ummmm my apology OhNo-Really Jul 2018 #53
"Job Abandonment" usually has specific rules Saviolo Jul 2018 #22
Firing of the employee hardluck Jul 2018 #28
Has Trump gutted the Family Medical Leave Act? dawg day Jul 2018 #33
You sound like you're in the field. You're probably correct. Couple of similar cases I've seen. byronius Jul 2018 #34
No, it's legal to fire an employee who is working "at will" because he's a heartless idiot. pnwmom Jul 2018 #44
Except the employee wasn't fired; the Mgr. interpreted her actions as quitting. LanternWaste Jul 2018 #54
she works for Dawnold Trump? spanone Jul 2018 #15
Too bad Dawn doesn't like DRAMA cuz she's about to get a whole shit load of it. Dawn's despicable. YOHABLO Jul 2018 #18
good thing it wasn't a supreme court case Locrian Jul 2018 #19
Thanks for bringing this decision back up - a cold-hearted decision - mirroring his future ones. erronis Jul 2018 #35
Thank you unions for working hard to make sure this doesn't happen.... mudstump Jul 2018 #21
We haven't lost our unions lunatica Jul 2018 #24
Good that it's all in writing lunatica Jul 2018 #23
Dawn's world turned to shit. And I'm glad. lpbk2713 Jul 2018 #25
Folk Oil yonder Jul 2018 #27
Fucked Oil. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #31
I Don't Know Why Anybody Is Surprised Leith Jul 2018 #29
My daughter worked at Starbucks in California.. MoonchildCA Jul 2018 #39
Cold hearted, empathy deficient. charliea Jul 2018 #30
This boss is HEARTLESS and without compassion. Unbelievable. This employee is legally covered by iluvtennis Jul 2018 #32
Hope her life is wrecked (former manager). Crunchy Frog Jul 2018 #36
Boss is a dipshit. But with the splendors of "at will" employment, raccoon Jul 2018 #37
Yep, just another one of Rick "The Dictator" Snyder's many betrayals of workers. catbyte Jul 2018 #46
Can't imagine why..... chesterslick Jul 2018 #38
The company fired the heartless manager and allowed the mother to take leave. yardwork Jul 2018 #43
Well done..... chesterslick Jul 2018 #48
My heart breaks for that mom. MoonchildCA Jul 2018 #40
The Manager was fired edhopper Jul 2018 #41
I wonder how long we can hide it from him? nt Ilsa Jul 2018 #47
WOW. So glad that Cruella De Vil was canned. How dare she demand that the employee work-- catbyte Jul 2018 #42
Yes. But upper management might never have heard Hortensis Jul 2018 #51
Where is PS FoodMart? Is it a chain? Shoonra Jul 2018 #45
It's in Michigan Leith Jul 2018 #50
Someone's been reading Ayn Rand. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2018 #49
Drama? smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #52

Louis1895

(768 posts)
6. Thanks!
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jul 2018

That poor mother! I hope they figure out what her son's problem is.

I appreciate the link! Thanks again.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
14. Manager sounds like an asshole ... but pretty sure was within their rights to fire her ...
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 02:54 PM
Jul 2018

Or probably even to say she 'quit' ... by not showing up for work (that gets the store out of paying unemployment ins).

That said, from both a PR and moral standpoint, the Company were very smart not to fire the woman ...

Firing the manager otoh for what basically amounts to 'doing their job' was maybe not the smartest thing to do, strictly legally-speaking.

Manager will probably turn around and sue for wrongful termination ... and will almost surely get UI if s/he applies.

May've been better to suspend the mgr and then order some kind of 'sensitivity' training or something.

JMHO.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
17. Pretty sure you're wrong
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 03:03 PM
Jul 2018

For one thing, Michigan now has right-to-work laws, believe it or not. But even so, I think they were perfectly right from an ethical standpoint to fire the manager for what she did.

kcr

(15,317 posts)
26. umm. NO SHIT
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:08 PM
Jul 2018

The poster I was responding to was claiming the action to fire the manager was illegal. It isn't in Michigan. That's a fact. The law is a shitty law, no doubt, but it's still a fact. And firings can still be justified even so.

Saviolo

(3,282 posts)
22. "Job Abandonment" usually has specific rules
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:01 PM
Jul 2018

I was an assistant manager when we had an employee go away on vacation, then just never came back. She answered emails for a week or two, burned through her remaining sick leave, and then her holiday leave, and then we never heard from her again. Corporate lawyers sent notifications that if she did not reply she would be dismissed for abandonment of position electronically and by physical mail. It was a long drawn-out process with lots of legality and rules every step of the way. Now, I don't know what those rules are where this took place, but I still don't think you can tell someone that they've quit to avoid having fired them.

Funny footnote to this story, one of the accountants for my area was visiting the head office on the other coast and was chatting with his friends in the HR office there, and happened to see her name show up on a resume. She had literally applied for work at the same company she had abandoned in a different area. Obviously, she was not accepted as a potential candidate based on her work history.

hardluck

(638 posts)
28. Firing of the employee
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:12 PM
Jul 2018

Was a potential FMLA violation depending on size of company and length of employment, among other causes of action. So potentially not a legal firing. Manager should have escalated it to HR and in house employment counsel

As to managers termination, she’s an at will employee and can be fired for cause or no cause at all so long as the reason is not discriminatory.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
33. Has Trump gutted the Family Medical Leave Act?
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jul 2018

Corporations have no reason to be heartless, especially retail ones which rely on the goodwill of customers.

byronius

(7,394 posts)
34. You sound like you're in the field. You're probably correct. Couple of similar cases I've seen.
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jul 2018

When a company gets caught between a rock and zero customers, the path they choose may seem perfectly logical at the time but not so logical in the cold hard light of a court.

Still, publicly gratifying. This kind of story didn't exist thirty years ago. She would have just lost her job, end of story, another point of human misery on a long string.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
44. No, it's legal to fire an employee who is working "at will" because he's a heartless idiot.
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 05:05 PM
Jul 2018

Or for any reason at all. They made a better decision than he did.

Unless he has an employment contract, that is, which would be unusual.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
54. Except the employee wasn't fired; the Mgr. interpreted her actions as quitting.
Thu Jul 5, 2018, 02:16 PM
Jul 2018

So I'm not sure why you think "firing the employee" was relevant in any meaningful way in regards to the story. Nor do I understand why you perceive the manager's misinterpretation as "doing her job."

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
19. good thing it wasn't a supreme court case
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 03:55 PM
Jul 2018

We know how Gorsuch would have ruled...

He was instructed either to drag the trailer with the frozen brakes with him -- probably an impossible task -- or continue to wait in the freezing cab until help arrived. Maddin ignored the order and drove away with what little gas he had left. For this act of insubordination, he was fired.


https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/opinions/judge-gorsuch-the-frozen-truck-driver-opinion-callan/index.html

erronis

(15,250 posts)
35. Thanks for bringing this decision back up - a cold-hearted decision - mirroring his future ones.
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:20 PM
Jul 2018

Unfortunately.

mudstump

(342 posts)
21. Thank you unions for working hard to make sure this doesn't happen....
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 03:59 PM
Jul 2018

to hard working Americans. This is a glimpse of what it would be like without sick leave and paid time off. It's also a profound statement on the need for universal health care that includes time for working people to be with their loved ones.

Take a good look here....we have already lost our unions and republicans can't wait to kill off what is left.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. Good that it's all in writing
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:03 PM
Jul 2018

Now go sue the boss and the company. And get an Avenatti kind of lawyer.

I hope her son makes it. I wish her the best. But I can’t say the same for her boss.

lpbk2713

(42,757 posts)
25. Dawn's world turned to shit. And I'm glad.
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:08 PM
Jul 2018



Dawn tried to fire the mother for needing time off with her ailing son, but in the end, it was Dawn who was let go. "We have also reaffirmed to our employee that she will be able to take all the time off that she needs during this difficult period," the company's statement said.


Link: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mom-with-son-on-life-support-shares-viral-post-of-boss-firing-her-via-text/

yonder

(9,665 posts)
27. Folk Oil
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:09 PM
Jul 2018

I'm wondering if that's a case of some top down corporate dickishness and they fired the manager to cover their ass? Assholes beget assholes beget assholes.


Leith

(7,809 posts)
29. I Don't Know Why Anybody Is Surprised
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:12 PM
Jul 2018

That is exactly how low level employees are treated, especially in areas with high unemployment (like south central Michigan).

I've worked as a bank teller, cashier, grocery store stocker, and waitress, and I was on the job with a cold or sore throat, a hand (or knee, elbow) wrapped up with an Ace bandage, or some unseen malady (like a fever or headache). Bosses tell us flat out that we have to work because coworkers have to take up the slack as if that is the worst thing in the world that could happen.

The only thing that surprises me is that the company fired the manager.

MoonchildCA

(1,301 posts)
39. My daughter worked at Starbucks in California..
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:47 PM
Jul 2018

...and if they called in sick, they had to find someone to cover their shift. I remember her sick with a fever, and having to call neighboring stores for employee lists, so she could find some random person she didn’t know to cover for her. Crazy!

charliea

(260 posts)
30. Cold hearted, empathy deficient.
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:14 PM
Jul 2018

This incenses me, personally, as a result of a recent similar personal experience. I was in the hospital for 6 days at the end of April this year getting pumped full of antibiotics because of cellulitis. I'd come home from work thinking I was getting the flu and my fever spiked to over 103. When rash showed up the next day my wife dragged me to the hospital, where they told me I was already borderline septic. It was truly life threatening, sickest I've ever been. If I'd arrived even a few hours later (we could see the rash spreading while I was in the emergency room) I would have been where this young man is, or worse. So I'd say if you can't cut some slack for a mom with her son in the ICU, at least that's what it looks like, then you're not a manager I'd ever hire (or work with).

You know when they tell you the good news is it doesn't present as MRSA or necrotizing fasciitis, cellulitis sounds much worse....

I hope he survives and recovers fully.

iluvtennis

(19,858 posts)
32. This boss is HEARTLESS and without compassion. Unbelievable. This employee is legally covered by
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:15 PM
Jul 2018

the Familt Medical Leave Act that Bill Clinton passed during his presidency.

The Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 (FMLA) is a United States labor law requiring covered employers to provide employees with job-protected and unpaid leave for qualified medical and family reasons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993

Crunchy Frog

(26,582 posts)
36. Hope her life is wrecked (former manager).
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:21 PM
Jul 2018

What an incredible redacted. More Trumpist compassion in action.

raccoon

(31,110 posts)
37. Boss is a dipshit. But with the splendors of "at will" employment,
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:25 PM
Jul 2018

This shit happens all the time. Employers can fire you for any reason or no reason. Ain’t life grand?

catbyte

(34,384 posts)
46. Yep, just another one of Rick "The Dictator" Snyder's many betrayals of workers.
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 05:16 PM
Jul 2018

When he was running, he insisted that he "had no interest in signing a Right to Work law" here in Michigan. However, the GOP-dominated Michigan Legislature passed the bill around 11:30 a.m. on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 & Snyder signed the bill into law later that very same day.

Right-to-work is the law in Mich., but it's not over


LANSING, Mich. — In the blink of an eye, Michigan became the 24th right-to-work state Tuesday after the state House rushed through legislation and Gov. Rick Snyder immediately signed it, capping a day of charged emotions, huge crowds and mostly peaceful demonstrations.

The speed with which the controversial legislation became law left organized labor and Democrats reeling. There is talk of legal challenges and recall efforts, but Democrats and labor leaders say they are mostly focused on 2014, when they hope to elect lawmakers and a governor who will repeal the law.

"This is a major day in Michigan's history," Snyder told reporters late Tuesday during a news conference, shortly after signing two right-to-work bills approved Tuesday by the state House and Thursday by the Senate.

The news of the signing was a bit of a surprise, and relayed rather matter-of-factly by the governor. He said he saw how divisive the issue was and noted the large crowds of protesters outside the Capitol, saying he didn't see a need for a public signing or ceremony. Instead, he said, it was just time to take a position and move forward.

"I don't view this as anti-labor. I view this as pro-worker," Snyder said.

......snip

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/12/right-to-work-michigan/1762993/
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This is an old article. It's over now.

edhopper

(33,579 posts)
41. The Manager was fired
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 04:52 PM
Jul 2018

Last edited Tue Jul 3, 2018, 05:26 PM - Edit history (1)

this is covered under the Family Leave Act. Which Trump hasn't ended.....yet.

catbyte

(34,384 posts)
42. WOW. So glad that Cruella De Vil was canned. How dare she demand that the employee work--
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 05:00 PM
Jul 2018

especially since the store is in Albion & her son is in Ann Arbor, a distance of 55 miles one way.

I guess this is who we are now. I just wonder if the manager would've been fired if this hadn't gone viral and made corporate look like a bunch of assholes.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
51. Yes. But upper management might never have heard
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 06:04 PM
Jul 2018

of it if the employee had not notified them, providing email documentation. Always document!

I think it's rather unfair to cast doubt on their reaction to this egregious behavior, regardless of their political personalities. There's a lot of decency out there too.

After all, Starbucks' chief operating officer is a black woman and of course does not support calling the police on black customers, but she had no chance to learn what had happened in one of their many thousands of coffee shops before the incident was uploaded directly to YouTube.

Shoonra

(521 posts)
45. Where is PS FoodMart? Is it a chain?
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 05:10 PM
Jul 2018

I want to make sure that I never spend another dime at PS FOODMART.

Please tell me -- Is PS FOODMART a chain? Where is PS FOODMART? Doe it go by any other names?

Pls respond ASAP.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
52. Drama?
Tue Jul 3, 2018, 06:10 PM
Jul 2018

Her son is on life support and she has the nerve to call it drama? What a flaming b***h!

I'm glad she was fired and I hope the woman and her child are doing ok. Nobody should have to endure that kind of stress while they are going through a life crisis.

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