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'If you can't come to work that's you quitting': Manager is fired over 'heartless' texts that she sent to a mother who couldn't come to work after her son was put on life support
Crystal Reynolds Fisher shared text messages between her and her manager
Fisher, who works at PS Food Mart, told manager her son was on life support
In the texts, the manager berates Fisher for not being able to come to work
She then says that if Fisher didn't come to work that meant that she had quit
Fisher's son, Jason, is still on life support & doctors think he has cellulitis sepsis
Manager was fired from position at PS Food Mart Monday, following the incident
irisblue
(32,974 posts)Louis1895
(768 posts)Like a link to a news article?
Demovictory9
(32,456 posts)Louis1895
(768 posts)That poor mother! I hope they figure out what her son's problem is.
I appreciate the link! Thanks again.
Louis1895
(768 posts)I aways like to see the sources.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Guy Whitey Corngood
(26,501 posts)malaise
(268,997 posts)meadowlander
(4,395 posts)Solly Mack
(90,766 posts)https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/allthemoms/2018/07/02/viral-post-helps-mom-son-life-support-keep-her-job/753213002/
http://www.wsfa.com/story/38563235/a-manager-told-an-employee-with-a-child-on-life-support-if-you-cant-come-to-work-thats-you-quitting
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)MarcA
(2,195 posts)BHDem53
(1,061 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Or probably even to say she 'quit' ... by not showing up for work (that gets the store out of paying unemployment ins).
That said, from both a PR and moral standpoint, the Company were very smart not to fire the woman ...
Firing the manager otoh for what basically amounts to 'doing their job' was maybe not the smartest thing to do, strictly legally-speaking.
Manager will probably turn around and sue for wrongful termination ... and will almost surely get UI if s/he applies.
May've been better to suspend the mgr and then order some kind of 'sensitivity' training or something.
JMHO.
kcr
(15,317 posts)For one thing, Michigan now has right-to-work laws, believe it or not. But even so, I think they were perfectly right from an ethical standpoint to fire the manager for what she did.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)RtoW laws written by Koch's ALEC sum weasels
kcr
(15,317 posts)The poster I was responding to was claiming the action to fire the manager was illegal. It isn't in Michigan. That's a fact. The law is a shitty law, no doubt, but it's still a fact. And firings can still be justified even so.
OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)✨✨☺️✨✨
Saviolo
(3,282 posts)I was an assistant manager when we had an employee go away on vacation, then just never came back. She answered emails for a week or two, burned through her remaining sick leave, and then her holiday leave, and then we never heard from her again. Corporate lawyers sent notifications that if she did not reply she would be dismissed for abandonment of position electronically and by physical mail. It was a long drawn-out process with lots of legality and rules every step of the way. Now, I don't know what those rules are where this took place, but I still don't think you can tell someone that they've quit to avoid having fired them.
Funny footnote to this story, one of the accountants for my area was visiting the head office on the other coast and was chatting with his friends in the HR office there, and happened to see her name show up on a resume. She had literally applied for work at the same company she had abandoned in a different area. Obviously, she was not accepted as a potential candidate based on her work history.
hardluck
(638 posts)Was a potential FMLA violation depending on size of company and length of employment, among other causes of action. So potentially not a legal firing. Manager should have escalated it to HR and in house employment counsel
As to managers termination, shes an at will employee and can be fired for cause or no cause at all so long as the reason is not discriminatory.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)Corporations have no reason to be heartless, especially retail ones which rely on the goodwill of customers.
byronius
(7,394 posts)When a company gets caught between a rock and zero customers, the path they choose may seem perfectly logical at the time but not so logical in the cold hard light of a court.
Still, publicly gratifying. This kind of story didn't exist thirty years ago. She would have just lost her job, end of story, another point of human misery on a long string.
pnwmom
(108,977 posts)Or for any reason at all. They made a better decision than he did.
Unless he has an employment contract, that is, which would be unusual.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)So I'm not sure why you think "firing the employee" was relevant in any meaningful way in regards to the story. Nor do I understand why you perceive the manager's misinterpretation as "doing her job."
spanone
(135,831 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Locrian
(4,522 posts)We know how Gorsuch would have ruled...
He was instructed either to drag the trailer with the frozen brakes with him -- probably an impossible task -- or continue to wait in the freezing cab until help arrived. Maddin ignored the order and drove away with what little gas he had left. For this act of insubordination, he was fired.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/opinions/judge-gorsuch-the-frozen-truck-driver-opinion-callan/index.html
erronis
(15,250 posts)Unfortunately.
mudstump
(342 posts)to hard working Americans. This is a glimpse of what it would be like without sick leave and paid time off. It's also a profound statement on the need for universal health care that includes time for working people to be with their loved ones.
Take a good look here....we have already lost our unions and republicans can't wait to kill off what is left.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)I belong to the Teamsters and they not folding in the least.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Now go sue the boss and the company. And get an Avenatti kind of lawyer.
I hope her son makes it. I wish her the best. But I cant say the same for her boss.
lpbk2713
(42,757 posts)Dawn tried to fire the mother for needing time off with her ailing son, but in the end, it was Dawn who was let go. "We have also reaffirmed to our employee that she will be able to take all the time off that she needs during this difficult period," the company's statement said.
Link: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mom-with-son-on-life-support-shares-viral-post-of-boss-firing-her-via-text/
yonder
(9,665 posts)I'm wondering if that's a case of some top down corporate dickishness and they fired the manager to cover their ass? Assholes beget assholes beget assholes.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Leith
(7,809 posts)That is exactly how low level employees are treated, especially in areas with high unemployment (like south central Michigan).
I've worked as a bank teller, cashier, grocery store stocker, and waitress, and I was on the job with a cold or sore throat, a hand (or knee, elbow) wrapped up with an Ace bandage, or some unseen malady (like a fever or headache). Bosses tell us flat out that we have to work because coworkers have to take up the slack as if that is the worst thing in the world that could happen.
The only thing that surprises me is that the company fired the manager.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)...and if they called in sick, they had to find someone to cover their shift. I remember her sick with a fever, and having to call neighboring stores for employee lists, so she could find some random person she didnt know to cover for her. Crazy!
charliea
(260 posts)This incenses me, personally, as a result of a recent similar personal experience. I was in the hospital for 6 days at the end of April this year getting pumped full of antibiotics because of cellulitis. I'd come home from work thinking I was getting the flu and my fever spiked to over 103. When rash showed up the next day my wife dragged me to the hospital, where they told me I was already borderline septic. It was truly life threatening, sickest I've ever been. If I'd arrived even a few hours later (we could see the rash spreading while I was in the emergency room) I would have been where this young man is, or worse. So I'd say if you can't cut some slack for a mom with her son in the ICU, at least that's what it looks like, then you're not a manager I'd ever hire (or work with).
You know when they tell you the good news is it doesn't present as MRSA or necrotizing fasciitis, cellulitis sounds much worse....
I hope he survives and recovers fully.
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)the Familt Medical Leave Act that Bill Clinton passed during his presidency.
The Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 (FMLA) is a United States labor law requiring covered employers to provide employees with job-protected and unpaid leave for qualified medical and family reasons.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_and_Medical_Leave_Act_of_1993
Crunchy Frog
(26,582 posts)What an incredible redacted. More Trumpist compassion in action.
raccoon
(31,110 posts)This shit happens all the time. Employers can fire you for any reason or no reason. Aint life grand?
catbyte
(34,384 posts)When he was running, he insisted that he "had no interest in signing a Right to Work law" here in Michigan. However, the GOP-dominated Michigan Legislature passed the bill around 11:30 a.m. on Tuesday, December 11, 2012 & Snyder signed the bill into law later that very same day.
Right-to-work is the law in Mich., but it's not over
LANSING, Mich. In the blink of an eye, Michigan became the 24th right-to-work state Tuesday after the state House rushed through legislation and Gov. Rick Snyder immediately signed it, capping a day of charged emotions, huge crowds and mostly peaceful demonstrations.
The speed with which the controversial legislation became law left organized labor and Democrats reeling. There is talk of legal challenges and recall efforts, but Democrats and labor leaders say they are mostly focused on 2014, when they hope to elect lawmakers and a governor who will repeal the law.
"This is a major day in Michigan's history," Snyder told reporters late Tuesday during a news conference, shortly after signing two right-to-work bills approved Tuesday by the state House and Thursday by the Senate.
The news of the signing was a bit of a surprise, and relayed rather matter-of-factly by the governor. He said he saw how divisive the issue was and noted the large crowds of protesters outside the Capitol, saying he didn't see a need for a public signing or ceremony. Instead, he said, it was just time to take a position and move forward.
"I don't view this as anti-labor. I view this as pro-worker," Snyder said.
......snip
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/12/12/right-to-work-michigan/1762993/
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This is an old article. It's over now.
chesterslick
(33 posts).... anyone would ever spend a dime at PS Food Mart, ever again.
yardwork
(61,608 posts)chesterslick
(33 posts)Sorry for not diving deeper.
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)What a nightmare!
edhopper
(33,579 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 3, 2018, 05:26 PM - Edit history (1)
this is covered under the Family Leave Act. Which Trump hasn't ended.....yet.
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)catbyte
(34,384 posts)especially since the store is in Albion & her son is in Ann Arbor, a distance of 55 miles one way.
I guess this is who we are now. I just wonder if the manager would've been fired if this hadn't gone viral and made corporate look like a bunch of assholes.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of it if the employee had not notified them, providing email documentation. Always document!
I think it's rather unfair to cast doubt on their reaction to this egregious behavior, regardless of their political personalities. There's a lot of decency out there too.
After all, Starbucks' chief operating officer is a black woman and of course does not support calling the police on black customers, but she had no chance to learn what had happened in one of their many thousands of coffee shops before the incident was uploaded directly to YouTube.
Shoonra
(521 posts)I want to make sure that I never spend another dime at PS FOODMART.
Please tell me -- Is PS FOODMART a chain? Where is PS FOODMART? Doe it go by any other names?
Pls respond ASAP.
Leith
(7,809 posts)South central, going from Battle Creek to just east of Lansing.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)...........
We wish that child and his mom the best....
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Her son is on life support and she has the nerve to call it drama? What a flaming b***h!
I'm glad she was fired and I hope the woman and her child are doing ok. Nobody should have to endure that kind of stress while they are going through a life crisis.