So where is Kirsten Gillibrand?

[blue cat]

I’m expecting her to give a news conference demanding that Jim Jordan resign?

[LakeArenal]

1. Does he stand in the way of her ambition?

[BannonsLiver]

64. Damn.

We got a bingo on the first number called.

[LakeArenal]

94. Thanks. 🇺🇸 🗽 🎆

[Bettie]

2. Well, he's a Republican

so he warrants Civility and benefit of the doubt.

[rainin]

4. Good one!

[doc03]

5. I don't give a flying f---- nt

[RestoreAmerica2020]

35. I dont care, do you? She's probably eating cake! #reunitefamiliesnow!

[brush]

6. Yeah, where the hell is she? Is her outrage reserved for Dems only...

who might be in her way for the presidential nomination?

[brooklynite]

9. It HAS been awhile since we've had some lazy outrage...

Every other Democratic Senator, male and female, including Franken's co-Senator from Minnesota, and multiple Senators considering a Presidential run, asked him to step down, but only Gillibrand is slammed endlessly.

[Trumpocalypse]

11. You are forgetting the rules of DU

While bashing any other democratic public figure is forbidden, it open season on Gillibrand to any accusation regardless of the facts. Who ever said the rules here are applied fairly or consistently. It’s mob rule and the mob hates Gillibrand.And somehow we think we are better than Trump supporters.

[wasupaloopa]

52. What was untrue here? She got rid of a good Dem

That is news not bashing

[Trumpocalypse]

57. No it was 38 senators in total.

As well as Franken himself who repeatedly apologized and decided to resign instead of fighting back. To blame only one person is untrue.

[wasupaloopa]

97. She is most responcible

[Trumpocalypse]

100. Why?

[irisblue]

89. A suggestion

Some here don't recognize sarcasm in writing
Maybe you might add it.

[brush]

12. She's the one who made sexual harrassment her signature issue.

She took the lead against a fellow Dem so she certainly should be out front against a repug.

Where is she?

[Trumpocalypse]

13. The story just broke today

And it’s a holiday. To expect an instant response is unreasonable and just an excuse to bash her.

[brush]

15. You're right. Let's see what happens after the holiday and weekend.

She did make sexual harassment her issue though.

[Trumpocalypse]

16. Yes she did

Harassment of women, which doesn’t apply in this case.

[brush]

19. Ya need to rethink that. Your post sounds like sexual harassment..

of men and boys is ok.

If one is against sexual harassment gender should have nothing to do with it.

[Trumpocalypse]

20. Don't dishonesty put words in my mouth

Never said it was ok. Just stating the facts about Gillibrand. Sorry if that doesn’t fit with your agenda to bash her.

[brush]

22. You seriously don't see the flaw in your post?

Why would harassment of males not be just as outrageous to Gillegrand or you for that matter?

[Trumpocalypse]

24. Never said it wasn't

So please stop playing these dishonest debating tricks.

I get it. You want to bash Gillibrand regardless of the facts.

[kcr]

33. "Harassment of women, which doesn't apply in this case."

That is a copy and paste of what you wrote, quoted.

[Trumpocalypse]

36. Is that factual incorrect?

Is it?

[kcr]

39. How does it not apply?

[Trumpocalypse]

40. Do you know anything about the Jim Jorden case?

Or did you just see an excuse to bash Gillibrand and jumped on it with out bothering to learn all the facts?

[kcr]

41. Not going to answer. Looks like no words were put in any mouths after all n/t

[Trumpocalypse]

42. Of course not.

But-bye.

[brush]

66. It would reflect well on her if she made it clear that harassment of...

males is as much a part of her "signature issue" as female sexual harassment is.

That's a no-brainer not a debating trick.

After the holiday and the weekend let's see if she jumps on Jordan as quickly as she did Al Franken and Bill Clinton.

The ball is in her court now.

[Trumpocalypse]

67. Why? Because you say so?

Should she be condemning Kevin Spacey too?

And when you say as quickly with Clinton it was 20 years after the fact and with Franken it was after several weeks and several allegations. And

Hey I get it . You’re looking for an excuse to bash her, so you are setting your own personal criteria, facts and fairness be damned.

[brush]

73. Swoosh? You really don't see what a coup it would be for her to...

include male harassment as part of her "signature issue" and call for Jordan to resign?

[Trumpocalypse]

74. Maybe it would be

or maybe she would just be seen as a Dem attacking a Republican. Especially since Jordan himself is not accused of harassment.

[Ferrets are Cool]

76. What the fuck is wrong with a Democrat attacking a repug? Oh wait...

it's only supposed to go one way. We are the "civil" party.

[Trumpocalypse]

77. Nothing wrong

But I rather see it on a matter of policy and when it will actually do some good.

[suffragette]

69. She has spoken against harassment of men as well as women. Recently, in fact.

Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand: My Plan to Fix Sexual Harassment in Congress
By KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND April 13, 2018

http://fortune.com/2018/04/13/senator-kirsten-gillibrand-congress-sexual-harassment-settlements-fund/

This stops when we value all people—women and men who are harassed—and when we listen, believe them, and create a system in which justice is possible.

[all american girl]

80. Now that's a lie.

She has also made sexual harassment/assault again men an issue too.

[Trumpocalypse]

87. I may have been mistaken

but don’t call me a liar.

[sheshe2]

37. I saw a lot of people signing on for it.

Many Democrats and one or two Indies.

[dflprincess]

14. Klobuchar did not ask him to step down

Amy just kept her mouth shut through the whole thing, any chats she had with Franken were private.

Klobuchar is up for reelection this year and while she is considered to have a lock on it, I doubt she wanted another senate race in the state this year. Tina Smith has really not made much of an impression on people and Richard Painter (a Republican) is challenging her in the primary. We do not have a lock on what was Franken's seat.

[Trumpocalypse]

18. Painter is running as a Democrat.

He switched parties.

[dflprincess]

21. He was George Bush's ethics lawyer for Christ's sake

I'd rather have someone we know is a progressive, not someone who was a Republican until he just couldn't tolerate Trump. I'd rather Republicans keep to their own party and fix, not come over to ours and try to drag even further right than it's drifted.

Suddenly claiming he's a DFLer doesn't mean he's become progressive and I don't think that means he's embraced the positions of Franken or Wellstone. He should have run in the Republican primary.

[Trumpocalypse]

23. And now he's a democrat

Are you saying that someone who has never been a democrat shouldn’t be allowed to run in a democratic primary?

[dflprincess]

27. I'm saying that a life long Republican who suddenly decides he wants to run as a Democrat

only because he does not like Donald Trump should be looked at with suspicion. He hasn't given me any reason to believe he suddenly decided he supports progressive issues.

We had a life long, progressive Democrat in that seat and we wouldn't be dealing with two Senate races in Minnesota this year if Democrats who have higher ambitions hadn't thought she could get a potential rival out of the way and maybe make some points.

[Trumpocalypse]

34. So does the same rule apply to any lifelong non-democrat?

Or just to people you don’t like?

And do you have any actual evidence for the allegations that you are making against other Democrats?

[dflprincess]

38. It applies to people who have not fought for traditional Democratic values

but have spent their careers pushing Republican ideology.

And Gillibrand's actions are all the proof I need.

[Trumpocalypse]

50. Who decides what are traditional Democratic values?

Segregation was once a traditional democratic value. But times change as do people.

And while you can be critical of someone’s actions, you are assuming motives. Do you have any evidence of motive?

[leftofcool]

101. Like Elizabeth Warren?

She was a life long Dem until a couple of years before she ran for the Senate. Google it.

[dflprincess]

103. Did Elizabeth Warren challenge an incumbent Democratic senator?

And while Tina Smith has not been in office long, she is the incumbent and both her campaign and the party are now forced to spend time and resources on a primary race when both should be concentrating on the general election.

Apparently only those of us in Minnesota are worried about keeping this seat - one that we shouldn't have had to defend this year.

[pnwmom]

51. People change. When they do, we should applaud it.

He doesn't sound like any Republican in Congress now.

Neither does Elizabeth Warren, former Republican.

Sometimes the converts are the most fervent. The process of conversion does change them, permanently.

Link to tweet

Richard W. Painter‏ @RWPUSA
FollowFollow @RWPUSA
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Richard W. Painter Retweeted Chuck Schumer
Follow @SenSchumer for details. Abortion rights, marriage equality and the First Amendment establishment clause are among the certain casualties if this judge goes on the Supreme Court and has a deciding vote. Awful for our democracy.

[philly_bob]

28. B'klynite, respectfully, can we fact-check this?

Every single Democratic senator asked Al Franken to step down?

My memory is hazy.

[orleans]

53. i'm trying to research this

and am having a problem--most articles are on dec. 6 but i know more and more senators jumped on the bandwagon. i know my two from illinois wanted him out.

i did find this on patrick lehay saying "he was too hasty in calling for Sen. Al Franken to resign following allegations of sexual harassment.

"The senior Vermont senator said Monday that his fellow Democrat should have been allowed to go through an ethics investigation.

"I have stood for due process throughout my years as a prosecutor and in chairing the Judiciary Committee," Leahy said in a statement provided by his office. "I regret not doing that this time. The Ethics Committee should have been allowed to investigate and make its recommendation."

https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/18/leahy-regrets-calling-franken-resign/962194001/

[orleans]

55. this cbs link says "more than 30"

(i seem to remember they ALL wanted him out)

More than 30 of Franken's Democratic colleagues in the Senate, starting with New York's Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, called for him to step down, following another woman's accusation that Franken tried to kiss her against her will. On Wednesday afternoon, Franken's office said he would make an announcement on Thursday, though it did not say what the topic of his announcement would be. Sen. Minority Leader Chuck Schumer met with Franken Wednesday and also advised him to resign.

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/al-franken-resignation-calls-senate-address-live-stream-updating/

[orleans]

59. okay -- i'm done. here's ballotpedia

https://ballotpedia.org/Resignation_of_Al_Franken,_2018

"As of 8:30 PM ET on December 6, 35 of 48 members of the Democratic Caucus had called for Franken's resignation. This included 13 of 16 women in the caucus and 22 of 32 men. Sens. Chris Coons (D-Del.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.), and Brian Schatz (D-H.I.) could not comment on the matter due to their involvement in the ethics investigation into Franken."

and this:
"On December 18, Politico reported that four Democratic senators, including three who had called for Franken's resignation, regretted that Franken was leaving the Senate and were critical of the push by Democrats to have him resign. Politico identified two of the senators as Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.) and Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.). According to the report, which he did not comment on, Leahy privately told Franken that he regretted calling for resignation.

"Manchin, who did not call for Franken's resignation, said the following in an interview with Politico's Off-Message podcast: "What they did to Al was atrocious, the Democrats...The most hypocritical thing I’ve ever seen done to a human being — and then have enough guts to sit on the floor, watch him give his speech and go over and hug him? That’s hypocrisy at the highest level I’ve ever seen in my life. Made me sick." Manchin said that he wanted Franken to reverse his resignation and for senators who called on him to resign to reverse their positions and ask Franken to remain until an ethics investigation took place."

[sheshe2]

62. This is the full list.

Full list: Schumer and majority of Democratic senators call for Franken to resign

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/full-list-senators-call-for-al-franken-to-resign-282175

[femmedem]

79. Not true. My Senator Blumenthal, for example, did not call for Franken to resign

although he did say that Franken made the right choice after he resigned. http://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-al-franken-resign-blumenthal-murphy-20171206-story.html

I think Gillibrand is slammed more than most because she was the first Democratic senator to call for his resignation

I won't vote for her in a primary over it. But neither do I see how the OP supports a Democratic senator. It doesn't seem to be offered in the spirit of constructive criticism. I carry my own anger towards Gillibrand and a good number of other Democratic Senators over their treatment of Franken, but I also recognize who our real opponents are.

[Boomerproud]

17. She will never get out the primaries, much less the nomination.

NEVER.

[brooklynite]

7. So, where are your posts about 48 other Senators?

Just to review: Jordan's not a Senator, so she didn't serve with him. Jordan's accusers aren't women, so this isn't a #Metoo sexual harassment issue. You're welcome to insist that she call for the resignation of any public official at any level who acts inappropriately, but then you'd believe that of every other Democratic public official at any level.

[Tavarious Jackson]

25. Gay men should be part of MeToo...

Children being molested by a more powerful person should be a metoo..

[kcr]

29. Like hell it isn't a #Metoo

[DRoseDARs]

47. Tarana Burke, originator of MeToo, would like a word with you...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Me_Too_movement#Purpose

Purpose

The original purpose of "Me Too" as used by Tarana Burke in 2006, was to empower women through empathy, especially young and vulnerable women. In October 2017, Alyssa Milano encouraged using the phrase as a hashtag to help reveal the extent of problems with sexual harassment and assault by showing how many people have experienced these events themselves.[12][16]

After millions of people started using the phrase, and it spread to dozens of other languages, the purpose changed and expanded, as a result, it has come to mean different things to different people. Tarana Burke accepts the title of the leader and creator of the movement but has stated she considers herself a worker of something much bigger. Burke has stated that this movement has grown to include both men and women of all colors and ages, as it continues to support marginalized people in marginalized communities.[18][19] There have also been movements by men aimed at changing the culture through personal reflection and future action, including #IDidThat, #IHave, and #IWill.[20]

Burke stated in an interview that the conversation has expanded, and now in addition to empathy there is also a focus on determining the best ways to hold perpetrators responsible and to stop the cycle.[19]

[Scurrilous]

8. Trash thread.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

10. +1. N/t

[sheshe2]

49. Yup. nt

[mythology]

26. We could turn this around

Why are the same people who refuse to believe Franken's own admission that he mistreated women, now calling for Jim Jordan to resign without a useless Senate ethics investigation?

Of the 613 ethics allegations made from 2007 to 2015, only 6 allegedly merited a "don't do that again" letter and exactly 0 merited more than that. The Senate ethics committee is a joke. The last time it recommended a real punishment was 1995. And then only because Bob Packwood was stupid enough to write his mistakes down.

[Drahthaardogs]

70. Because he didn't

It was a Roger Stone hit job and an over zealous Senator with Presidential ambition led the charge to oust him in an apparent bid for statesmanship ( or street cred if you will).

Those of us with more temperate personalities wanted to let the due process play out. Later, the truth seemed to come out. We were right and they were wrong.

Now there appear to be two camps. Some sort of PUMA relic group who hold desperately onto their own "facts" in what can only be logically explained as a propensity to overlook any and all transgressions as long as their ultimate goal is realized - someone with two x chromosomes in the White House.

The other, a group who prefers a bit more loyalty to our Democratic party up to and including allowing due process for a trusted leader.

Bottom line:. A few excuse anything because they want a woman President. Many are rightfully wary of a politician who puts personal ambition before the good of the party.

I'm sure the usual suspects will come in and gnashing some teeth and throw around some made up facts. Please don't bother. We all saw it with out own eyes...

[still_one]

30. As much as I have issues with the Franken situation, with the midterms only a few months away, I

as heck am not going to go out of my way to lay it on Democrats we NEED to take back the Senate.

There will be plenty of time after the election to do that, let's just focus on WINNING

[dflprincess]

45. And thanks to Democrats like Gillibrand

who was more concerned about self promotion and 2020 than the midterms, we are now defending two Senate seats in Minnesota. Klobuchar probably has a lock on hers but we can't be sure about the other one.

On top of that, we have the Governors and Attorney General race this year.

The DFL didn't need to have to spend more time and resources on a statewide race that shouldn't have happened until 2020.

[kcr]

31. The posts from the Franken pitchforkers are really telling n/t

[Drahthaardogs]

71. It's the usual four or five posters

They exaggerate (48 Senators asked him to resign) or omit the facts ( the skit was written and performed years earlier and the kiss was already in there, it was NOT put in there just so Al could kiss her as she claimed).

Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing...

[brooklynite]

98. So, I've been promoted to a "basher" now?

I'm probably one of the few people here who's actually MET with Franken, supported him since his first campaign and put a lot of cash into his Committee (check my FEC records). I've never bashed Franken; I've said he should have stepped down AFTER he publicly acknowledged his past behavior, and that the continually attacking Gillibrand ("bashing" you might say...) for allegedly going after Franken for political gain (without any evidence) is uncalled for.

Be that as it may, Gillibrand was just renominated for her Senate seat (despite the suggestion of national outrage by progressive Democrats), will have no problem being re-elected in November, and if she runs for President, won't be spending time explaining her position of Franken.....because the average voter won't care about it for a moment. So, you'll have plenty of bashing opportunities to come.

[Drahthaardogs]

99. Excuse me? Did I call you out? Did I mention you by name?

Don't put words in my mouth.

As far as Franken...Yeah, there was a whole lot of bullshit being said and facts ignored, and it was for the WRONG reasons. It was for a different agenda and you damned well know it.

I'm sorry if the shoe seems to fit Cinderella.

[Duppers]

32. K & R

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

43. Right on.

Where are you Mrs G? Hopefully they haven't gotten to you as well?
If she was begging for money in dts office and would do anything...trust and believe the 'recorder in chief' tapes it. dt's office would make Nixon blush w all the recording devices. If (gods forbid) KG "got on her knees" and begged....that may be a problem, and why dt said it out loud. To remind her it's on digital, and he still has it for black mail.
Mara-lago was wired so dt could listen in on anyones call. He blackmailed people probably his entire life with recording what they said.
This is the guy, who when other men had wives he wanted to hose, would set those men up w hookers. Then he'd have that guys wife in his office and call the husband on speaker phone. dt would then ask about how it went w the hooker etc and the wife would hear. He'd hang up, and make the hard move on the guys wife, and bc of the vulnerability of that moment, probably did often.
This is who we are dealing with.
Whoever he owes the money to in Russia, the Russian Mob will collect. A boat ride to the Florida Keys or worse w the requisite chum, and dt would cry like a baby, right before they fed him to the sharks.
Either that or sex secrets.
It's all so creepy, and ugly. And the guy thinks he's our president.

[Tipperary]

68. What a bizarre post.

[PatrickforO]

44. Well, I was pretty mad at Gillibrand over Al Franken's railroading.

But it is true that more than just Gillibrand ganged up on him. Even Bernie piled on.

So...what happened to Franken was despicable and still is. Justice was not done.

However...there will be plenty of voices raised in chorus for this Jordan to resign. I'm sure Gillibrand will be one of them, and rightly so.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

60. Al Franken is a Saint

compared to a majority of slimeballs we know are repubs? Resignation was a little harsh w/o a hearing.
From 'wide stances, and toe tapping"' to leaving work to chase a girlfriend to S America (Sanford), these guys have too much time on their hands and they have zero self control. For them to call for resignations is just an offensive tactic. We are going to lose if we don't stop doing this w a ruthless enemy. Politics IS war now. (Karl Rove). IMO we can't approach the future of our country playing by Hoyles Rules of Boxing when they're playing a street fight...we will lose more often than not.
If we believe in humanities going where the Democratic Party is leading us, then...just like them, we have to fight it like a war. We did'nt make the rules. But, we risk dying if we don't start accepting some changes. Until we get in power anyway. We have a better vision that includes ALL Americans, and we have to remember that. That and we outnumber them 2 to1.
Al Franken was a strong, intelligent voice. Schooled in asking questions and following up to get the answers. He was very very effective. We lost a great man in the mold of Ted Kennedy when we lost Sen.Franken. KG should be ashamed. Why not give him a chance of forgiveness and move on? Or postpone things a bit until cooler heads prevailed? She knew what she was doing and could've called for forgiveness and saved the man. Clearly what he did was bad. In comparison, not so much so. Not enough to countermand the will of the people who elected him. We are afterall...human beings and inherently imperfect.
I dunno. Franken, We hardly Knew ye. I think we all over-reacted, and should've at least gave him a fair hearing.

[Tatiana]

46. I'm trying to forget that we just essentially handed his seat over to a Republican.

Gillibrand was a pawn, but she allowed herself to be used.

That being said, the milk is already spilled. We've got to make the best of the mess Schumer/Gillibrand fostered.

[JHan]

48. oh here's another excuse to rake Gillibrand over the coals.

this shit is so predictable it's not funny.

Because you know, who cares about her policy positions on anything .. like .. http://theweek.com/articles/717672/kirsten-gillibrand-serious-about-medicare-all

She is the one to wear the letter of shame for a choice numerous other politicians made, you know she is the one who must bear the brunt of it all.

[sheshe2]

56. Here is the list, JHan.

Full list: Schumer and majority of Democratic senators call for Franken to resign

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/full-list-senators-call-for-al-franken-to-resign-282175

Wow.

She is the one to wear the letter of shame for a choice numerous other politicians made, you know she is the one who must bear the brunt of it all.

It seems she is the only one that has to wear the letter of shame and not the ones that joined her.

Sorry Hester. Once again you are singled out.

Thanks for the link JHan.

[JHan]

58. Surely we have seen this strategy of singling out a female democrat for excoriation...

when her colleagues did the same fucking thing... SURELY we have seen this before, gee I wonder when did we see this before...?

[sheshe2]

61. That is a very hard question, JHan.

I am going to have to ponder on that one for a bit and get back to you. I may have to go back a hundred years to find out when that last happened, if ever...oh wait a second, I do know...I actually do know of more than one, at least I think I do. Could be wrong, yet....not!

[question everything]

54. The sooner we ignore her, the better

Her time in the limelight ended.

[sheshe2]

63. If that were true then so has it ended for all that signed on.

Full list: Schumer and majority of Democratic senators call for Franken to resign

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/full-list-senators-call-for-al-franken-to-resign-282175


Please just stop.

[BannonsLiver]

65. She got sucked into the ruse

You know who won’t get suckered like that? Justin Trudeau’s party.

[GaryCnf]

72. Perhaps you could all understand

The inconsistency of the people who slur Gillebrand while excusing everyone else who called for Al to resign if just one of you would admit that Al Franken has NOTHING to do with it AT ALL.

Gillebrand has been singled out for one reason and one reason only. She called out the most powerful man in the world for having sex with someone over whom he held power in every single way that power is measured. THAT is what sets her apart from the others who called for Franken's resignation.

Those who call out only Gillebrand don't really care about Franken at all. They just don't want to call her out over what REALLY upsets them because they don't want to talk about that subject at all.

[Trumpocalypse]

78. It's more than that.

Somehow a cult of personality has formed around Franken as if he was the most liberal, most effective and most anti-Trump elected official who was on track to be the next President if he hadn't been back stabbed by the evil Gillibrand.

The truth is that while Franken was a good Democratic senator, he wasn't the most liberal or the most effective or even the most anti-Trump. And there is no evidence that he was planning a Presidential run in 2020.

But too many just want something to be outraged over and someone to blame.

[yallerdawg]

83. When you have The One...

no possible challenger can be tolerated.

I just don't understand why attacking Democrats continually gets a pass here. Seriously.

[Trumpocalypse]

85. It's only attacking certain Dems

that is allowed. The jury system here just doesn’t work. There is an unequal and unfair application of the rules.

[yallerdawg]

86. Gillibrand, Harris, Feinstein, Pelosi. Hillary.

Ocasio-Cortez is elevated to mythical status!

There does seem to be a pattern here.

[R B Garr]

88. LOL, what about Clinton! How out of touch.

She gladly accepted his help campaigning for Hillary's old seat, so it couldn't possibly be about your distraction. If there is anything going on, it's about hypocrisy because of accepting Clinton's help when she needed it.

To make everything about the Clintons' is very recognizable.

I do think she should be out there calling out Jordan, but it's been pointed out in this thread that the whole group of them should be with her, which is the main point.

[GaryCnf]

90. That, of course, was not the point of the OP at all.

As is almost always the case it was only Gillebrand who was called out.

It was a cheap shot attack on a major Democratic figure that won't even be true a week from now as more and more of our people are asked about Jordan.

And no, we are not going to ignore the fact that almost all of these attacks are coming from the same people who spend the rest of their time attacking anyone who doesn't demonstrate unwavering fidelity to an ideology which has betrayed our principles and cost us political power.

[R B Garr]

91. Your post was about Bill Clinton. It made the accusation that

Gillibrand is only a focus now because she attacked Bill Clinton. Talk about costing us political power. That strategy of associating everything with some abstract association with the Clinton's is what has cost us political power. Your assumption that everything is about Bill Clinton is also a cheap shot attack.

So, no, we are not going to ignore the bogus attacks on the Clinton's, which is a very recognizable tactic.

[Tarc]

75. Stop the misogyny, please. Many Democrats, incl. many men, called for Franken to resign too

I don't know where this warped talking point developed, that attacking Gillibrand is somehow beneficial to our party's aims, but it needs to be shunted off to jackpine.com where it belongs.

[GaryCnf]

81. Now that's funny

First draw a Venn diagram of the local movers and shakers behind the attacks on Gillebrand and then of the movers and shakers behind the perpetual attacks on progressive.

If you end up with more than two circles, the former will be entirely within the latter.

[all american girl]

82. Glad to see you got you Gillibrand hate on.

Blame a woman for what men do is not a good look....also, something you seem to not know or intentionally left out so you could get your hate on, is that a lot of Senators-both male and female-called for him to step down...but go ahead, blame a woman.

[Drahthaardogs]

93. Bullshit.

She led the charge and was the first to demand he resign. Don't pull that misogyny card out. She was tge senator who initiated it and that blame falls squarely on her shoulders

[LakeArenal]

96. I realize that you don't like the dislike of Gilli

But the fact is, lots and lots of folks don’t like her anymore. That’s it. Unfair as you think it is... we think she’s unfair.
We have to deal with our loss of our favorite future candidate. You and she need to deal with the repercussions of her own actions

[pintobean]

84. The circular firing squad continues.

[madinmaryland]

92. I don't recall her being up in arms about what happened at Penn State either.

JoePa and JimJo.

[LakeSuperiorView]

102. Interesting that some choose to defend Gillibrand's actions rather than to attack Jordan's.

They are apparently fine with what Jordan did, they only have voices for what aboutisms...