Breaking Maybe? Avenatti wants to Run against Trump!

[busterbrown]

ON CNN NOW! Wow.... I certainly have reservations concerning this news.. but hey..
We've got very little of anything... Right Now.... Its gotta change.. Everything is on the table for me..Anything except Fat Ass!

[BigmanPigman]

1. I just heard it too.

He is being rational and realistic...always a good thing.

[elleng]

2. WANTS to,

or WILL if he thinks necessary.

[cilla4progress]

3. Wonder if he is just being

Strategic.

Freak trump out.

[canetoad]

4. I thought he said

Only yesterday that he had no interest in running for office.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. No. More than ever we need someone who has extensive experience in government

because Trump is going to leave a huge mess when he's gone, and the president will have to be someone who knows how to get down in the weeds and start fixing things. There are plenty of good people who will be much better suited for the job. Avenatti is a telegenic media star who may or may not be a good lawyer (I haven't seen him do much actual law yet). He's smart and articulate and has done a good job publicizing Daniels' case, to the deserved detriment of Trump and Cohen. But I haven't seen anything that suggests he'd be a better president than any of the people who already have years of experience in government and politics.

He's just the latest shiny object, like Oprah Winfrey was a few months ago.

[Clarity2]

12. Yes, this

Exactly. Also while I like his bravado in this situation, its not the personality type (somewhat thin skinned) that I want in a president...again. I also want someone with a longtime record of supporting democratic principles. Ive no idea his political stances long term.

[busterbrown]

24. I think he might be capable.

Compared to what the GOP has to offer...




9. Excerpt from Wiki

In 1999, he earned a Juris Doctor from George Washington University Law School in Washington, D.C., where he worked with Professor Jonathan Turley on constitutional issues relating to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). He graduated Order of the Coif and first in his class.[8] In 2003, George Washington University Law School established the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pre-Trial and Trial Advocacy, an annual award given to the member of the graduating Juris Doctor class who demonstrates excellence in pre-trial and trial advocacy. Avenatti also received George Washington University's prestigious Alumni Recognition Award in 2010.[21]

Career[edit]
While in college and later in law school, Avenatti worked at The Research Group, a political opposition research and media firm run by Rahm Emanuel (later White House Chief of Staff for President Barack Obama, and Mayor of Chicago).[22] Avenatti worked on over 150 Democratic and Republican campaigns in 42 states while studying at George Washington University.[8][23]

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

25. He has no experience holding elected office at any level.

If he's serious - and I don't think he is - he should run for mayor or state representative or something. He's just the latest shiny object, Oprah with a law degree.

[busterbrown]

29. In this day in age..

We are not looking for intellect! We are looking for winners.. I agree it's a bad time.. but we have got fight these idiots with anything which will work. Then we clean it up..

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

30. Nonsense. If we ever needed intellect and experience it was now.

Not some flashy media-hungry lawyer. Intellect and experience are winning qualities (remember, Hillary actually won).

[busterbrown]

31. Please respond to this...

9. Excerpt from Wiki

In 1999, he earned a Juris Doctor from George Washington University Law School in Washington, D.C., where he worked with Professor Jonathan Turley on constitutional issues relating to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). He graduated Order of the Coif and first in his class.[8] In 2003, George Washington University Law School established the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pre-Trial and Trial Advocacy, an annual award given to the member of the graduating Juris Doctor class who demonstrates excellence in pre-trial and trial advocacy. Avenatti also received George Washington University's prestigious Alumni Recognition Award in 2010.[21]

Career[edit]
While in college and later in law school, Avenatti worked at The Research Group, a political opposition research and media firm run by Rahm Emanuel (later White House Chief of Staff for President Barack Obama, and Mayor of Chicago).[22] Avenatti worked on over 150 Democratic and Republican campaigns in 42 states while studying at George Washington University.[8][23]

I think you should not jump to conclusions..

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. I know all about his resume. It suggests (but does not prove) he is a competent lawyer.

So far I haven't seen much actual legal work from him, since he seems to be spending most of his time on TV talking about what he's going to do. I have practiced law, and it's difficult, time-consuming work, so I don't know how he has the time for all those interviews on CNN and MSNBC. Even if, as is likely, he has employees doing the grunt work, I never knew of any lead counsel in a major case spending much time not working on the case. And I saw from personal experience that academic success doesn't always mean practical competence. So as far as I'm concerned the jury is out because all I've seen from Avenatti is a lot of interviews and teases that didn't lead to much.

But the main point is that he's never held any elected office. He may know the theories of government, which puts him way ahead of Trump, but he's never been part of it. If he really wants to be president (and I don't think he's serious, but just trolling Trump) he should do what everybody else does: Run for and get elected to a local or state office. Make his reputation as a politician. Show people he knows how to work in that system. Get experience with the difficult and complex process of legislation. Once he's been successful as a senator or a governor then he can start talking about the presidency.

[busterbrown]

34. Couldn't disagree more...

What office did Trump hold? No, This is not the time for Resumes.. It's about getting the toughest candidate we can get to fight these bastards off!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

35. I'm not convinced Avenatti is all that tough, or at least any tougher than,

say, Kamala Harris or Adam Schiff, experienced legislators who are doing battle with the GOP machine every day. Avenatti talks a good game and acts like a tough guy on TV. So does Trump. That's not enough.

Shiny object.

And, btw, you were the one who made a big deal about his resume. Resumes do matter but they have to have the right stuff in them. In this case, actual experience.

[AlexSFCA]

37. I did a mental exercise and I no longer beleive

conventional politicians like Harris or Shiff can take trump down. See my analysis below.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

40. Trump is an amateur, not a politician, and he sucks at being president.

So who do we run against him? Another inexperienced amateur! Yeah, that's gonna work.

[AlexSFCA]

41. sure

we tried the most experienced candidate in the history of the world in 2016. Did that work out ok for you?!

[JI7]

48. she got more millions more votes. Trump was helped by the russians, lazy media, and a bigoted

ignorant voting base of the republican party.

that type of shit would not appeal to most people who are likely to vote for democrats.

[AlexSFCA]

50. that's the point

that russian interference and rw propaganda will only intensify and the media is not getting any smarter. And that’s before sinclair is in every household free with antenna. We need someone who is very bold and can bully trump big time; uncompromising, unapologetic, very strong individual with superb command of media universe. This candidate will need to outmedia trump. But of course we can find the next most experienced candidate who says all the right words but it is too boring for our ‘great’ media to broadcast all the time so the swing voters get competing messages instead. We know gop is not going to play by the rules; expect even bigger and louder lies about whoever is gonna run from our side.
Adam Shiff is still way too soft spoken for today’s media to be interested. trump does not deserve politeness or soft spoken about. He is a fraud and desrves no humility; he needs to be called in harshest terms possible and with threat of criminal investigation of him and his family members and prosecution. There can be no mercy for scum like him. The candidate needs to convince swing voters that trump defrauded them so they can turn on him.

[busterbrown]

45. O My God.. Adam Schiff?

He's from my area, bright, articulate, and says the right things.. I like him a lot.. But like many sophisticated, bright well spoken Dems.. He doesn't know what kicking ass is... We need an ass kicker!

[bdamomma]

26. well Oprah isn't

she is staying out, I don't blame her, we need someone with experience please. And not a racist or a white supremacist.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. There was a lot of similar commotion a few months back when speculation arose

that Oprah would run - and a lot of folks got all overheated because she's popular and she's got name recognition and she gave a great speech! so all of a sudden there was about a week of Oprah for president silliness until thankfully she put the lid on that herself.

But I don't think the Democrats will be nominating a white supremacist.

[mokawanis]

6. Avenatti vs a hollywood celebrity

a true american election where people who aren't qualified run for office and people vote for them for all the wrong reasons

[Leghorn21]

7. Newsweek today:

MICHAEL AVENATTI SAYS HE’D ‘ABSOLUTELY’ BEAT DONALD TRUMP IN 2020 ELECTION AND ‘BE HIS WORST NIGHTMARE’

By Jessica Kwong On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 - 12:38

Michael Avenatti, the lawyer who rose to prominence representing adult film star Stormy Daniels, attacked President Donald Trump on Independence Day and said for the first time that he “absolutely” believes he could beat Trump in a potential 2020 presidential matchup.

Avenatti told Newsweek on Wednesday that he “yes, absolutely” believes he could prevail over Trump—if he decided to run. “I think I would be his worst nightmare,” Avenatti said.

“I think it would be an extremely contentious campaign, no holds barred, and very close,” Avenatti said of a hypothetical race between Trump and him running as Democratic Party candidate.

http://www.newsweek.com/michael-avenatti-says-hed-absolutely-beat-trump-2020-election-and-be-his-1008494?amp=1&__twitter_impression=true

Surely the bold and courageous LOSER45 will respond to this challenge in short order??

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. If he's baiting Trump on Twitter, that would be fun.

But he shouldn't run for president.

[Leghorn21]

28. I know, Ocelot, and I keep checking for a response to this in-your-face challenge from Avenatti, but

so far today LOSER45 has only issued one tweet bemoaning OPEC’s gas prices..but I am patient, and I shall keep an eye out for his manly retort to this effrontery!!!

Good times!!

[mchill]

9. Excerpt from Wiki

In 1999, he earned a Juris Doctor from George Washington University Law School in Washington, D.C., where he worked with Professor Jonathan Turley on constitutional issues relating to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). He graduated Order of the Coif and first in his class.[8] In 2003, George Washington University Law School established the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pre-Trial and Trial Advocacy, an annual award given to the member of the graduating Juris Doctor class who demonstrates excellence in pre-trial and trial advocacy. Avenatti also received George Washington University's prestigious Alumni Recognition Award in 2010.[21]

Career[edit]
While in college and later in law school, Avenatti worked at The Research Group, a political opposition research and media firm run by Rahm Emanuel (later White House Chief of Staff for President Barack Obama, and Mayor of Chicago).[22] Avenatti worked on over 150 Democratic and Republican campaigns in 42 states while studying at George Washington University.[8][23]


I think he's capable enough.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. Working for Rahm Emanuel isn't a plus in my book.

More importantly, he's never held elected office at any level. He's a smart guy with a knack for publicity but IMHO, as far as qualifications for the presidency he's just Oprah Winfrey with a law degree - somebody who did something that got a lot of attention and everybody goes "Oooh! Oooh! He should run for president!!!"

[murielm99]

16. Working for Rahm is a plus in my book.

We need more ruthlessness in our party. Rahm is ruthless.

I love my Illinois Democrats.

I agree with you, though, that Avenatti should not run for President. If he aspires to higher office, he should get some experience at a local or state level first.

[Clarity2]

13. Nope just nope

Hes a cut throat lawyer, which is great to fight trump. And I really admire him and thank him for his service fighting the good fight. But he has slightly narcissistic tendencies and per above, is a bit thin skinned. No thanks, no thanks, no thanks. We dont want to go there again. We need calm sanity.

[busterbrown]

22. I just edited my post..

because of all the negative feedback.. I'm sorry I didn't stick to my guns.. My God he's a talented guy.

[tman]

11. Another thin skinned publicity hound with a giant ego.

No thanks. I stopped paying attention to Avenatti months ago because I suspected an ulterior motive and knew this was coming.

What happened to his bold promise that Trump wouldn't last a full term, implying access to incriminating information. Now he fears Trump will be reelected unless he comes in and saves the day. lol

Him and stormy are playing you all for fools. Makes for great TV though.

[mchill]

17. Certainly not thin-skinned

I don't know where that characterization came from.

Trump's term is not over yet.

I'm looking at two things. Intelligence and Ability to defeat Trump. On the latter, I'm talking about a bit of star power. Listen, not required to do the job, but maybe to defeat Trump. His caveat was if no one stepped up that could beat Trump. If the Democratic Party nominates someone like Tim Kaine - please help us!

[busterbrown]

46. His resume certainly does not hurt..

Does it?



9. Excerpt from Wiki

In 1999, he earned a Juris Doctor from George Washington University Law School in Washington, D.C., where he worked with Professor Jonathan Turley on constitutional issues relating to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). He graduated Order of the Coif and first in his class.[8] In 2003, George Washington University Law School established the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pre-Trial and Trial Advocacy, an annual award given to the member of the graduating Juris Doctor class who demonstrates excellence in pre-trial and trial advocacy. Avenatti also received George Washington University's prestigious Alumni Recognition Award in 2010.[21]

Career[edit]
While in college and later in law school, Avenatti worked at The Research Group, a political opposition research and media firm run by Rahm Emanuel (later White House Chief of Staff for President Barack Obama, and Mayor of Chicago).[22] Avenatti worked on over 150 Democratic and Republican campaigns in 42 states while studying at George Washington University.[8][23]

[RhodeIslandOne]

14. Are you serious?

Really dude?

[Trust Buster]

15. Let me see. A guy with bankruptcy in his past that is a self promoting narcissist that HAS NEVER

Delivered on any of his promises with regards to Stormy Daniels or the border. A guy who thinks that his “presumed” base can be won over by merely throwing out red meat at various self promoting events......UH.......NO THANK YOU !!!!!!!

[oasis]

18. Hell no. He needs to stay with the task at hand. nt

[mythology]

19. No, he's a buffoon

He would be a horrible candidate and an even worse president.

[busterbrown]

23. You should investigate instead spewing Garbage.

9. Excerpt from Wiki

In 1999, he earned a Juris Doctor from George Washington University Law School in Washington, D.C., where he worked with Professor Jonathan Turley on constitutional issues relating to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). He graduated Order of the Coif and first in his class.[8] In 2003, George Washington University Law School established the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pre-Trial and Trial Advocacy, an annual award given to the member of the graduating Juris Doctor class who demonstrates excellence in pre-trial and trial advocacy. Avenatti also received George Washington University's prestigious Alumni Recognition Award in 2010.[21]

Career[edit]
While in college and later in law school, Avenatti worked at The Research Group, a political opposition research and media firm run by Rahm Emanuel (later White House Chief of Staff for President Barack Obama, and Mayor of Chicago).[22] Avenatti worked on over 150 Democratic and Republican campaigns in 42 states while studying at George Washington University.[8][23]

[Blecht]

20. Somebody needs to let the air out of this trial balloon

Avenatti is not the answer for POTUS.

[Tatiana]

21. No. He needs to earns his stripes first.

It may be a possibility in the future. He has good political instincts. He knows how the machine works.

But he needs some governing experience. Run for Congress or AG or something else first.

EXPERIENCE MATTERS.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. Maybe Alexandria should mentor him.

[Backwoodsrider]

32. he said this with a smile on his face prefaced with 'if Trump runs in 2020'

Avenatti knows there is little chance Trumps gonna be on the 2020 ticket.

[AlexSFCA]

36. I think Avenatti will have broad appeal across party lines

He is not a politician and the only person in the universe we know who is able to outbully trump. He has already shown that he is able to control the media. He has high entertainment value - this will be of paramount importance. Seasoned politicians usually lack all that. He will have broad appeal across party lines. He is a top notch lawyer that surely would help him to push hard against trump and his allies. 2020 will not be about policy - this much is guranteed; it will be a fight to save the country or what’s left of it by that time. He is the only one I can see some trump voters might go for - they are drawn to bullies and ‘strong’ white men. His policy experience will be irrelevant, he would delegate it to democrats and, perhaps, a vp like Kamala Harris (another top notch lawyer). Not having any political baggage, he can laser focus on everyday needs of 99% of Americans communicating directly to them via twitter. He’ll gather corporate support anyway because they sure as hell do not want trump. Dems will need to enlist larger than life online domination even if it means massive troll factories to combat increasing russian interference. I think internet providers may coalesce around dems and help with amplyfing the truth and supressing fake propaganda - I hope facebook, insta, all social media will be on board with that.

We all need to accept that our country has experienced irreversible damage. It will never be the same. Politics as usual, same tried tactics simply won’t work anymore - we live in a fundamentally different society now.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

38. "He is not a politician." That's the problem. If you want to hit the big time in politics

you should be a politician. I want the person who operates on me to be an experienced surgeon. I want the person flying the airplane I'm riding in to be an experienced professional pilot. So many people think that being a politician is a bad thing, and it's not. We have a very complex government with hundreds of agencies; the federal government is the country's largest employer, with over 2 million civil service employees and many other appointees and contractors. The process of legislation is complicated and requires significant knowledge and understanding of workings of the various committees and personnel involved in the process. A president has to have a good understanding of foreign relations and treaty obligations. Why in god's name do we want another amateur? I want a professional politician who knows how this incredibly complex machine works.

[AlexSFCA]

39. have you read what I wrote? we may not have a choice

forget about experience, we are trying to save our country from becoming authoritarian oligarchy. Things are changing rapidly, by 2020 we won’t recognize this place. Purism, idealism will kill us.

P.S. You will never have a candiate as experienced as Hilary Clinton. How dis that work out? Enough said.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

42. In case you forgot, Hillary won the popular vote.

I am the exact opposite of a purist or an idealist, which is precisely why I think an actual experienced politician is necessary. We have a deep bench of competent people who know what they're doing; we don't need another flashy amateur. Avenatti is Oprah with a law degree. No more shiny objects, please.

[AlexSFCA]

43. and I so wish she didn't win the popular vote but won

the electoral college. The priority is to win. And if it happens that a non-politician has a better chance at winning, then be it because we cannot take any risks in 2020.

[fallout87]

44. Publicity Stunt, as usual

Nothing more.

[busterbrown]

47. You sound frightened of him.. Why/

His resume? and he's a proven ass kicker!



9. Excerpt from Wiki

In 1999, he earned a Juris Doctor from George Washington University Law School in Washington, D.C., where he worked with Professor Jonathan Turley on constitutional issues relating to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). He graduated Order of the Coif and first in his class.[8] In 2003, George Washington University Law School established the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pre-Trial and Trial Advocacy, an annual award given to the member of the graduating Juris Doctor class who demonstrates excellence in pre-trial and trial advocacy. Avenatti also received George Washington University's prestigious Alumni Recognition Award in 2010.[21]

Career[edit]
While in college and later in law school, Avenatti worked at The Research Group, a political opposition research and media firm run by Rahm Emanuel (later White House Chief of Staff for President Barack Obama, and Mayor of Chicago).[22] Avenatti worked on over 150 Democratic and Republican campaigns in 42 states while studying at George Washington University.[8][23]

[fallout87]

61. Those accomplishments are going to get him elected?

?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

62. You really have a crush on this guy, don't you?

That's not a good idea. Don't get emotionally attached to your presidential hopefuls; you'll always be disappointed when they turn out to be imperfect - as they always do. I'll wager Avenatti has as many skeletons in his closet as the next guy.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

49. Inieresting

[mr_lebowski]

51. In one fell swoop, Avenatti just made his work against Trump 'political' ...

IMHO, not a particularly beneficial 'move' on his part.

He just opened himself up unnecessarily, and he's usually more canny than this.

Expect an endless stream of BS from Dumpie about everything being 'politics' when it comes to MA from here on out.

I don't see the 'positive' here, strategically.

[JI7]

52. Why not Maxine Waters ? if we are going to get someone just based on that at least she actually has

a record in public office and a record of where she stands on the issues.

[busterbrown]

53. Avenatti.. has some pretty fine credentials

Maxine is good I agree... But we need an ass kicker.. In case you think he's a one trick pony ?



9. Excerpt from Wiki

In 1999, he earned a Juris Doctor from George Washington University Law School in Washington, D.C., where he worked with Professor Jonathan Turley on constitutional issues relating to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). He graduated Order of the Coif and first in his class.[8] In 2003, George Washington University Law School established the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pre-Trial and Trial Advocacy, an annual award given to the member of the graduating Juris Doctor class who demonstrates excellence in pre-trial and trial advocacy. Avenatti also received George Washington University's prestigious Alumni Recognition Award in 2010.[21]

Career[edit]
While in college and later in law school, Avenatti worked at The Research Group, a political opposition research and media firm run by Rahm Emanuel (later White House Chief of Staff for President Barack Obama, and Mayor of Chicago).[22] Avenatti worked on over 150 Democratic and Republican campaigns in 42 states while studying at George Washington University.[8][23]

[JI7]

54. that's 20 years ago and Turley is a Trump loving douche . Maxine Waters actually has a record in

in elected office.

[busterbrown]

55. Why did you bring up Maxine Waters?

She never stated anything about running for Pres... Strange

[JI7]

56. because people are criticizing Adam Schiff as not kicking ass enough. and unlike Avenatti

Waters actually HAS run for public office and won multiple times.

[samnsara]

58. oh dear gawd noooooooooooooooooooooo

[Lee-Lee]

59. I've said before he's acting more like an attention whore- this seals it for me

He is all about the publicity for him.

When his client was supposed to meet with Muellers people, he leaks it to the press and then attacks Mueller when they canacel the meeting due to his leaks. Because the attention was more important to him than the investigation.

When his case was losing media time to the family seperation issue he jumps in with a fundraiser declaring he is going to go down and save the day- despite the fact he has zero experience in immigration or civil rights law. Drawing attention and money away from real immigration lawyers who have been doing that work and fighting that fight for decades. Because it was more important that he get the spotlight off that issue than it was to see attention and resources go to the people who best can fight it.

And now this?

[disillusioned73]

60. Yeah, this guy is hustling..

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

63. When he injected himself into the family separation issue he lost me.

Taking the Stormy Daniels matter public was useful because it helped open a can of worms that needed opening. Good for him for doing that. But he spends so much time on TV that I have to wonder when he actually does any legal work, which I know from experience is extremely time-consuming. And then when he jumped into the immigration matter, an area in which he has no evident experience, he pretty much proved he's more interested in staying in the limelight than anything else. If he's just trolling Trump, good; if he's actually serious about running for office he should start with local politics and work his way up like everybody else.

I agree - he's become an attention whore. Being sucked up to by MSNBC and CNN on a daily basis has gone to his head.