So I've had a running battle with Duer's today.

[busterbrown]

Many have been critical of one of my posts which simply stated that I would like to see Avenatti run!

Reaction all day was that he's a phony without any experience or education in the art of politics..

So I'm posting this tonight.. He has what it takes!



9. Excerpt from Wiki

In 1999, he earned a Juris Doctor from George Washington University Law School in Washington, D.C., where he worked with Professor Jonathan Turley on constitutional issues relating to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). He graduated Order of the Coif and first in his class.[8] In 2003, George Washington University Law School established the Michael J. Avenatti Award for Excellence in Pre-Trial and Trial Advocacy, an annual award given to the member of the graduating Juris Doctor class who demonstrates excellence in pre-trial and trial advocacy. Avenatti also received George Washington University's prestigious Alumni Recognition Award in 2010.[21]

Career[edit]
While in college and later in law school, Avenatti worked at The Research Group, a political opposition research and media firm run by Rahm Emanuel (later White House Chief of Staff for President Barack Obama, and Mayor of Chicago).[22] Avenatti worked on over 150 Democratic and Republican campaigns in 42 states while studying at George Washington University.[8][23]

[California_Republic]

1. Did he plan to run as a Republican or a Democrat?

[busterbrown]

2. You know what?

Its comments like yours ( full of clever innuendo) which is why we are called the Liberal Elite!

[FBaggins]

5. That's not how I read it

I think it’s that if he’s going to primary Trump it sounds like a great idea. If he’s running as a Democrat that’s nuts. There are dozens (if not hundreds) of better options.

[busterbrown]

12. Sorry I disagree..

Maybe 12 yrs ago. You might have a point.. But Trump has changed everything.. Diff. time diff place!

[FBaggins]

40. Throughout the thread, you seem to be missing the point

You keep talking about how awesome he is compared to Trump... but there isn't any reason to believe that anyone here would fail to support him if Trump were the alternative.

The problem is that Trump isn't the alternative. If he's running as a Democrat than the alternative consists of those dozens/hundreds of far more qualified Democrats... to whom he can't hold a candle. His resume isn't up to the task.

The ideal presidential candidate is an experienced governor from a fairly large state (ideally one that might otherwise go to Trump of course). Senators are usually next on the list, but even they can have trouble (resume-wise) if they lack executive experience. Clinton passed muster because her decades-long experience with Bill in executive mansions and the history-making aspect associated with her gender. Obama's resume was similarly helped by his race and national exposure within the party...

... but Avanetti has none of that. A 47 year old white guy with a notable legal career... but who has never been elected even as dog-catcher? That's not a resume that ever even makes it onto the pile for review - let alone gets him an interview. He can run for Congress and serve a couple terms in some state where he might get a shot at Governor. Tell him to succeed as a governor for a term or two and he'll still be plenty young enough to come see us about this job opening. We look forward to hearing from him again in 2028 or 2032.

[busterbrown]

42. There you go again..

Making Sense.. Well it does make sense unless you have been living in Trump's world for almost 2 years. Trouble with you guys who are looking for another Obama to step forward..It ain't happening.. Let me ask you.. Tell me who you see as a viable choice to run in 2020.... Whoever it is, the Right Wing slug machine will tear him or her apart. Lie after lie, insult after insult, and millions upon millions $ to back their bullshit up!

Yep we need a freaking fighter who has guts and obviously knows how to communicate.and will know the facts........... "You want me ? Come and get me! I'm waiting for ya" With style, facts, and a fearless personality.....

So I would love to see Warren, or one of the Castro brothers from Houston. Joe Kennedy is my man..but he ain't ready...

[California_Republic]

15. Wrong! That was a serious question

Back it down a bit

[nini]

26. I'd like an answer to that question myself

???

[Tipperary]

31. We have yet to see an answer.

[KPN]

29. +1000!

[NCTraveler]

36. Elitism is more having the ability...

To make an image based decision knowing your status will protect you from the real life consequences.

[Squinch]

37. WTF? This is nuts and it isn't like you.

It was a simple and valid question.

[Tarc]

3. I like Avenatti for what he does now, being Daniels' lawyer and being a thorn in Trumpy's side

But he is in no way at all qualified to run for a major party's nomination in 2020. Talking about stuff like this now is a joke and a distraction, much like the Oprah schlock a few months ago.

Focus on the actual, viable candidates who are gearing up to run. This stuff is media distraction.

[busterbrown]

6. You've got a guy who's president who is as dumb as weeds..

who gathered millions of votes and won. and yet you act like that you are in the same political arena as in 1990.. Funny!

[smirkymonkey]

17. You have a point there. It IS a different world. I would prefer it if he primaried Trump and I

honestly think he's doing this just to get under Trump's skin, but the guy is definitely much more qualified than the current idiot we have in the White House. He's not just another celebrity. He doesn't have political experience but he has an impressive legal background and I would think he would surround himself with very qualified people.

I would prefer a great Democratic candidate with experience who could win, but most of all, I want someone who can win against Trump. Everyone on our side is head and shoulders above him, but we can't forget the fact that this nation looks at the presidential race as just one more reality show and the most popular, out-there candidate is the one who will draw people to the polls. It's a sad state of affairs, but that is where we are right now.

[Tarc]

19. Your playbook would have the Democratic Party try to out-Republican the Republican Party

That is the kind of mentality that has lost us thousands of legislative seats at the federal and state level.

We run capable. intelligent, thoughtful people for office. That doesn't mean "career politician" is a litmus test, as Ocasio-Cortez demonstrates. But we're not going to turn politics into a game show audition. Avenatti, right now, is a talking head only. Let him go run for a local house or senate seat, build up from there if he has serious ambitions for politics. Anyone who wants to jump right to a presidential run is automatically suspect in any sane person's book.

[JI7]

33. Democrats are not the same as Republicans. Democrats don't vote for Candidates for the same reason

Republicans do.

most democrats would be turned off by something that appeals to republicans.

and Clinton got millions more votes.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

7. People

get Doctorates in Political Science. That's the type of person I'd like to see. None of this tv crap is funny or entertaining. I want to go back to living my life and trust the people we hired to do the job of govt, are watching out for me. I do not want to see my president on tv everyday. No more of anyone connected to dt or his family or this two year deviation from being ourselves, and enjoying the scraps life hands us already. We need to heal.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

4. Only other one with intelligence and wit (to me,) is Lieu

[CaliforniaPeggy]

9. He would be great..........but he can't run. He was born in Taiwan. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. Bummer CP

[busterbrown]

13. Leui strikes me as sincere and kind of weak..

He's intelligent, he's a good man,.... but he's not a boxer.. We need a boxer. someone who can punch hard.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

22. What? He comes straight on to Trump every single

day. But, like other poster mentioned...didn't know he was ineligible...not natural born. Natural born..somehow doesn't fit Trump does it?

[Squinch]

38. TAMMY DUCKWORTH! (Sorry. I can't help it. It just comes out.)

[JoeOtterbein]

8. As in any party, the more people who show up...

...the more fun!

[klook]

10. 2018 is all that matters until Nov. 7th.

Trashing thread.

[donkeypoofed]

11. I luv it cause he scares Spanky!

Michael is a viable candidate and let's all face it - there isn't anyone charismatic enough to beat Spanky right now. If it takes Avenatti to run against Spanky Spank-me-now and galvanize the nation, then so be it. Ya can't have 100 million eligible voters sitting on their asses on Voting Day again!

[NCTraveler]

14. I'm thinking Press Secretary.

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Maybe a gig at the DNC running their social media and marketing.

[Squinch]

39. That would be great.

[manor321]

16. We need someone in the party

Not an outsider.

[DeminPennswoods]

18. I like Avenatti

Let's be honest, he has done more to damage Trump than all the other congressional Dems combined. He'.s the one who found out about Cohen's LLC established as a conduit to pay off women who had affairs with Trump. This led Giuliani to admit on Fox that Trump washed hush money payments through Cohen as legal fees and such, something that was previously unknown. He's the one who ID'd the bank transactions flagged as suspicious. All this has resulted in Michael Cohen now being caught up in a federal investigation and likely to flip on Trump. Avenatti's media strategy has been brilliant as I believe he has gotten information "in over the transom" damaging to Trump.

And Trump's afraid of him. Notice there haven't been many, if any, derogatory, name-calling tweets from Trump about Avenatti. Avenatti has shown he's not scared of confronting Trump and verbally punching him in the nose. This is how one neutralizes a bully, especially a cowardly bully like Trump.

Maybe Avenatti hasn't held elective office, but if he's participated in 100+ campaigns and worked for Rahm Emanuel, he's not uninformed on policy.

[brooklynite]

20. Tell me, are you more supportive of his healthcare policy or his foreign trade policy?

You know what they are, don't you?

[leftofcool]

27. Avenatti has said he supported the ACA and is inclined to support medicare for all

He has stated many times in tweets that the US needs affordable health care and lower drug prices and that shows he is at least on the right side. He has condemned Trumps tariffs in several tweets but has not stated any actual policies of his own. He supports an immigration bill and DACA and hates what he is seeing at the border. He is positively pro choice, pro gay, pro gay right and gay marriage, pro equal rights and pro civil rights. I would be inclined to support him.

[Tipperary]

32. HA! Well done.

This reminds me of the big push for Oprah not so long ago.

[mythology]

21. None of that is what I would consider qualifying to be president

He's looking for publicity. He wouldn't be a serious candidate.

[leftofcool]

28. I think he might well be serious.

The jury is still out.

[Jim Lane]

24. Trump has poisoned the well for people with no government experience.

Trump is the first person to become President with no prior experience in public office. (There were a few who'd held no elective office but had served in the Cabinet or been a general.) Ideology aside, Trump is perceived by many swing voters as being incompetent at administering the office.

In 2020, a widespread reaction to a run by Avenatti or Winfrey or the like would be, "Elect someone well known but with no governmental experience? No thanks, we just tried that and it didn't work."

The Trump experience makes it less likely, not more likely that an outsider can win, at least for the next few cycles.

[AlexSFCA]

25. I think Avenatti will have broad appeal across party lines

There are multiple threads on Avenatti. I posted this in another thread but crossposting my mental excercise here.

He is not a politician and the only person in the universe we know who is able to outbully trump. He has already shown that he is able to control the media. He has high entertainment value - this will be of paramount importance. Seasoned politicians usually lack all that. He will have broad appeal across party lines. He is a top notch lawyer that surely would help him to push hard against trump and his allies. 2020 will not be about policy - this much is guranteed; it will be a fight to save the country or what’s left of it by that time. He is the only one I can see some trump voters might go for - they are drawn to bullies and ‘strong’ white men. His policy experience will be irrelevant, he would delegate it to democrats and, perhaps, a vp like Kamala Harris (another top notch lawyer). Not having any political baggage, he can laser focus on everyday needs of 99% of Americans communicating directly to them via twitter. He’ll gather corporate support anyway because they sure as hell do not want trump. Dems will need to enlist larger than life online domination even if it means massive troll factories to combat increasing russian interference. I think internet providers may coalesce around dems and help with amplyfing the truth and supressing fake propaganda - I hope facebook, insta, all social media will be on board with that.

We all need to accept that our country has experienced irreversible damage. It will never be the same. Politics as usual, same tried tactics simply won’t work anymore - we live in a fundamentally different society now. We will never have a candidate as experienced as Hilary Clinton; and how did that work out for you?!

[Trust Buster]

30. If we can't put forward a more serious candidate then that guy, then our future looks bleak IMO.

[JI7]

34. Avenatti for President is so Fucking Stupid and just not serious at all. he is doing it to get

attention.

and if he was serious about politics he should run for lower office first. that goes for anyone.

[Orsino]

35. Dilettantes who want to waltz into the presidency...

...with little or no record of public service used to amuse me. Now I see the phenomenon as cause for concern.

[muriel_volestrangler]

41. To turn the USA from being half a laughing stock in the world to a complete one

We know the Republicans are no longer a serious party; we don't want to see the Democrats put on the clown make-up too.

Being very good at embarrassing your opponent is not a good qualification for running the most powerful country in the world. Neither is being a grunt on political campaigns (at about 30 a year, in 42 states, and both Democratic and Republican, that is obviously just basic research work, directed by someone else).