I'm seeing increased incidents where lefties "hit" back against MAGA people.

[Honeycombe8]

One video a man named "Jimenez" throws his coke on someone wearing a MAGA hat (the video is only part of the information, since it doesn't show how it started). These things are increasingly happening.

Oh, my goodness, the whining and shock! by Trumpers at such inhumanity and criminal behavior being perpetrated on innocent MAGAs! It's just a hat! (yeah...and a white hood is just a hood.)

My response: Trump has set the tone in the country. Violence, hitting, punching, disrespecting others' opinions, calling people "animals" that "infest" the country, etc. Why are they surprised that many citizens on both sides are following suit?

Methinks that they are so used to those on the left taking the high road that they are shocked to see them finally giving it back. The guy just threw a coke, for gosh sakes. It's not like he marched in a white supremacist parade and beat up black people or drove a car into a crowd, or shot and killed some newspaper people.

Things in the country are insane! But it's about time the lefties are speaking out and getting off that high ground pedestal. We're in a battle for the country. I can't do much, but I do try to not let even casual comments pass w/o saying something. It's unpleasant. But to be quiet is to imply agreement. The Trumpers are shocked!

[Wounded Bear]

1. It's the bully's creed...

Nobody is allowed to treat them like they treat others.

[SamKnause]

2. Trump and his cult have stirred this shitpot.

Did they think people would enjoy the smell ???

Did they think people would let them tell their vicious lies without stirring up a stink ???

Did they think people would thank them and ask for continued verbal abuse ???

Trump has been trying to start a race war since he rode down the escalator.

The Republicans fucking own this !!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

106. Seriously!!

[Alea]

3. The video you referenced

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I don't see how anyone could be ok with this.

[MineralMan]

13. I don't see where anyone IS OK with that.

[B2G]

22. Aside from the OP? nt

[MineralMan]

25. Well, I'm waiting for a response from the OP.

[Alea]

23. You are correct Sir

I wasn't trying to imply DU would be ok with. It was just a general statement coming from my heart. Also, the responses in this thread are an example of why I'm proud to be a DU'er.

[MineralMan]

26. Yes. I know that, for sure. I found this original post to be

pretty offensive overall. The replies, however, have helped a lot.

[Alea]

27. While I can't speak for th OP

I kind of like to think he or she just hit the keyboard a little to quick. Something we're all guilty of, especially considering what is going on with the Country now.

[Honeycombe8]

31. Re-read the OP carefully.

Please re-read the OP, then read my response to all these other responses that misunderstood the OP.

Note that nowhere in my OP do I condone Jimenez's behavior. The OP is not about that at all. It's about the over the top reaction by Trumpers, whose followers have recently killed five members of the press, rammed a car into a crowd and killed a woman, beat up black people at a couple of events. They expressed no outrage over those acts, which resulted in injuries and deaths.

[Alea]

38. I believe you

I may have written the same OP, but I would have stated "I do not condone this" somewhere in the post. I have noticed sometimes on DU we get criticized for what we don't say, or leave out of a post.

[Honeycombe8]

44. Granted.

I just did that quickly & didn't realize that people would focus on Jiminez's behavior, since that's not what the post was about. It goes w/o saying that entering someone's space is not good (or legal), unless it's defensive. But it is a minor offense, compared to what we have just seen, with the MAGA guy killing five people of the press and injuring others, and other acts of violence and offenses...and not a peep from the Trumpers. But THIS...they go apeshit over. And the Sarah Sanders restaurant thing.

I think they are just shocked that they are getting some pushback, after over a decade of dishing it out w/o repercussions. That's just my personal opinion. Which is what my OP was about.

Edit to add: While I appreciate the belief, it is just a fact that the post is not about judging Jimenez's behavior. The post is about the over-the-top reaction to it, given all the violence, injuries, & deaths by those on the right which didn't result in any "shock" or public disapproval by Trumpers, that I saw. But THIS Coca Cola incident caused them to come out of the woodwork en masse, expressing shock & outrage. That's all.

I didn't include the video because I assumed it had been posted already. It wasn't new, by the time I saw it. DU members are fast about putting things up very quickly.

[MineralMan]

41. I read it carefully.

[Honeycombe8]

46. Then you were in a hurry & misunderstood.

The post is clearly about the over the top reaction to Jimenez's coke thing, when there wasn't a peep out of them about acts of violence by MAGA people or sympathizers that resulted in serious physical injury or death.

My post goes on to guess why that is. My guess is that they are used to not having to deal with pushback. "When they go low, we go high," has been the typical response by those on the left.

[MineralMan]

48. You may have noticed that I'm not the only

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one. Think about it, please.

[Honeycombe8]

50. I noticed...

I noticed a few newbies who enthusiastically joined in to the "bad OP" meme.

The OP clearly criticizes Trumpers' over the top reactions.

[MineralMan]

60. Newcomers, eh?

I'm not one such. That is a very weak argument. You have yet to provide any evidence that this was not an isolated incident. I'm waiting for evidence or your "increasing amount" of similar incidents. I'm beginning to think you have no such evidence.

[cwydro]

132. I'm not a "newbie." And I agree with others here who think this idiot was way out of line.

[Tipperary]

70. I did too.

This idiot acted like a criminal, not to mention using his size and age to intimidate a smaller, younger kid.

[EricJohnson]

55. You say, "getting off that high ground pedestal." I think we need to remain on that

high ground. The minute we start to lower ourselves to the level of those we disparage we are lost.

[Bonx]

73. Here you go

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10834288

[Tipperary]

37. Ugly. That will sure help win hearts and minds.

Smh.

[Raine]

110. Agree

this can and will go in both directions. Wait till anti-maga people are the ones hit with crap dumped on them.

[backscatter712]

79. I'm ok with it.

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Cost the kid a wet shirt, a shower, and a stupid hat. And didn't actually damage him.

Those little shits should be grateful we're still being nice after all the shit we're taking from the fascist right.

[Quixote1818]

121. The editing of this video sure is suspicious

Clearly there seems to be a lot of tension that lead up to this moment and I really doubt the guy just started filming at that moment. He should not have throw the ice and taken the hat but I sure wonder what was said to him to anger him.

[Marengo]

4. Kino Jimenez, doxxed and fired from his job within hours of this incident.

[MichMan]

9. The assailant was kicked out of the Green party after the video went viral

[Marengo]

10. LOL! I have a feeling this is not going the way he thought it would

[braddy]

5. The adult male attacked a 16 year old who was eating his lunch, and robbed him of his hat.

[demmiblue]

6. What he did was wrong. Period. n/t

[TheRealNorth]

7. Is this even Legit

Because I could definitely see some Republican groups paying to stage something like this.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. Wouldn't put it past them... they all could of been in on it.

[MichMan]

8. Sadly enough, the OP thinks it is a perfectly acceptable way to act

[Amishman]

11. Sounds like a good way to get shot

[MichMary]

12. Do you think it's a good idea

for adults to assault teenagers? Way to win hearts and minds.

Actually, that's probably a felony. Wonder if they'll press charges. He probably won't be able to get another bartending job with a felony on his record.

[.99center]

14. Ratfuckers

https://dashboard.securingdemocracy.org

Guess who's trending? You seem to know a lot about the incident, why did you leave out the fact that he's a member of the Green Party?

https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/kino-jimenez/

Kino Ahuitzotl Jimenez is a member of the Green Party of Texas, according to the party’s website. The Green Party of Texas is a branch of the national Green Party.

[MineralMan]

15. So, what other such incidents can you relate?

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You said there were "increased incidents," but you only show this one. The actions of that person were indefensible.

If you know of others, please help us out by leading us to them, OK?

Beyond that, where is a link to a news story about the incident? Someone else posted a video.

[TeamPooka]

16. Throwing a soda or item at a person can be prosecuted as assualt. Tell people off but don't throw,

strike or hit them.
Make them look stupid, evil, or dumb.
Don't sink to their level of physical violence

[MichMan]

19. or a hate crime when you use a racial epithet during the assault

[mythology]

17. It's not like the guy in the video drove a car into people

You can't tar all Trump supporters with the actions of some.

But even it you contend all Trump supporters are evil, you actually can't say they shouldn't go around assaulting people, you can't then defend an unsolicited assault.

[niyad]

18. time to pull my spike heels from the colset- too bad I have no grace walking in them-ooops!!

so sorry. ooops. sorry!!!! darn, didn't see your sixe 13 clodhoppers.

[B2G]

20. So you're cool with someone walking up to a teen in a MAGA hat,

throwing a drink in his face, grabbing the hat, calling him a n*****, and stalking off with it?

Just verifying.

[Iggo]

21. Sometimes when you pick a fight you get a fight.

Wish it wasn't happening, but it is.

[Alea]

24. But this wasn't a fight

[maryellen99]

28. Here's some stuff that was left out of the video

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/witnesses-say-teens-viral-maga-hat-video-joking-lynching-black-people-whataburger-attack/?comments=disqus

[Afromania]

29. This wasn't cool on any level.

We are in a battle for this country but I'm not sure where you are seeing they many from our side hitting back. I mean every bit of organized violence being reported is from trump humpers. Shooting up this place and that place, mailing bombs or trying to hit folks with cars n shit; that's them and that's what they are about. Some random loon takes a cap and throws soda; and that's hitting back? Sounds like some low level set up bullshit in any case.

[Honeycombe8]

30. For those who mistakenly think my post condoned throwing soda on someone...

it does not. Please re-read it.

My post was about the over the top Trumper reaction to it. Reaction to an act that was, after all, not harmful physically, compared with, say, a MAGA follower killing five people of the press, supremacists marching with MAGA hats beating up black people in Charlottesville, a MAGA guy ramming his car into a group of protesters & killing one woman in Charlottesville (who Trump called "fine people" ), and other physically violent acts that resulted in injury and death.

My post was about Trumpers expecting Democrats and others on the left to stay on the high ground that they normally occupy, instead of realizing that Trump has set a tone, and many in the country are feeling that anger. Including those on the left, who normally keep such emotions in check.

I don't condone what the guy did, but I will say that the video shows only Jimenez's reaction to something. It does not show what he was reacting to, the lead-up. Maybe it wouldn't make a difference. But I just noticed that it is missing part of the encounter.

My personal feeling, though, is that while I don't condone any action that invades someone's space, I can understand an Hispanic being especially offended at this time, what with the President calling his or his fellow Hispanics "animals" who have "infested" the country, and who has taken children from their parents and can't say when or if the children will be returned, and keeping those children in "rooms with chain link walls" (as Sessions calls the cages). Calling the homeland a sh*thole country. I can understand his momentary lapse in reacting to someone who approves of all that behavior, because of the extreme circumstances in the country right now. But understanding does not mean condoning.

But, as I said, my OP was not about what the Jimenez man did or said, but was about the over-the-top reaction to it by Trumpers, who are no strangers to hate rhetoric and behavior. I just think they are surprised to see the left take any sort of steps against them, instead of the silent, respectful stance they normally take.

Everyone in the country is affected by the hateful tone, rhetoric, and behavior in the country, that has been set by the leader.

[Tipperary]

43. I plan to stay on the high ground. YMMV.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

32. It's not "hitting back" unless maga-hat-guy hits you first.

It may not be "assault" to throw a coke in someone's face, but then again, it may be. Depends on which state, I think. It's still an action that could warrant a civil suit. Don't throw a coke at a Westboro Baptist member, they WILL sue, it's what they do.

No, it's not like driving a car into a crowd, but it's still a bad idea. Please don't do it.

[Honeycombe8]

34. My OP isn't about Jimenez's actions.

Please re-read it.

And yes...throwing something at another person is assault, technically, although it causes no physical harm. I offered no opinion on Jimenez's actions. In fact, I cannot, since the whole encounter is not on the video. My post was about the over-the-top reaction to it by people who just read about a MAGA supporter killing five press people and injuring others, ramming a car into a crowd and killing a woman, and other acts...and not one peep by Trumpers in my community forum or elsewhere. But THIS gets the full treatment by them.

[MichMary]

61. Is there actually any evidence

that the kook who shot up the newspaper and killed five people was a MAGA supporter? The tweet from the reporter claiming the guy dropped his MAGA hat was debunked, deleted, and cost the tweeter his job. Thus adding fuel to the "fake news" fire.

IIRC, the guy had a grudge against the paper for many years, dating (I believe) back to 2012.

[Honeycombe8]

63. I haven't seen that. At first, it was reported. Silence from Trumpers.

That's the point. I wasn't discussing the violent incidents in detail. Just that reports of those were met with silence from Trumpers, yet they scream holy murder when this guy threw some Coca Cola on someone. And we didn't see in the video even what precipitated it. (Not that I condone it. I definitely do not. Words are always better.)

[MichMary]

64. Here's a link

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/394892-newspaper-reporter-resigns-after-wrongly-claiming-maryland-shooter-wore-maga

Yes, I know: The Hill, but his resignation/apology tweet is quoted in full. I got the impression that he had tweeted about the dropped hat kind of ironically and it backfired on him--bigly.

[NY_20th]

33. "the lefties"?

Things in the country are insane! But it's about time the lefties are speaking out and getting off that high ground pedestal.

[Honeycombe8]

35. Yes.

Lefties are not just Dems. There are third parties and Independents who are on the left.

I call them lefties & righties sometimes. What's your problem with that?

[NY_20th]

36. I've just never heard a left leaning person refer to other

left leaning people as lefties.

[Honeycombe8]

39. I do. I am one of the lefties.

It's just a way I refer to people on the left or right sometimes. It's all encompassing. It's not just Democrats who are on the left, or Republicans who are on the right.

There are millions of people who don't belong to the two major parties and are either on the left or right. Or in the middle.

[NY_20th]

42. This guy didn't belong to the two major parties, either.

[MineralMan]

45. Absolutely nobody I know refers to

him or herself as a "lefty." That's a right-wing term. Your OP is what it is. It offered no link and no video. It is incomplete. If people misunderstood you, that is why.

[Honeycombe8]

47. No, that is not why. I understand you're embarrassed.

It's okay. We all misunderstand sometimes.

You do know someone who uses those terms. Me. I am most definitely not rightwing. I call people on the left and right lefties & righties sometimes, just as shorthand. It's all encompassing, since they are not just Dems & Repubs. There are millions of people who belong to other parties or are Independents, who align with the left or right.

I hope you're not implying that I'm rightwing, and have been participating in this forum for over ten years because I've got nothing better to do.

[MineralMan]

49. You will do as you please. So will I.

I know you only from your posts here.

[Honeycombe8]

51. And I know you only from your posts here. nt

[MineralMan]

53. I note that you ignored my reply requesting other

examples of such behavior. In your post title, you referred to "increasing incidents." I asked for examples. You provided none. I'm done. Apparently you have no other examples.

[NY_20th]

54. You are projecting.

I doubt Mineral Man is embarrassed, and I know I'm certainly not.

Your OP was not clear at all.

I understand that you may be among the people who don't belong to the Democratic Party, but I assure you, we do not refer to ourselves as lefties.

[radius777]

119. Ignore the handwringers, lots of liberals use to term 'lefty'

as a term of endearment, even though most liberals are center-left... it's also a shorthand in the social media age to describe anyone on the left of the political spectrum, and not necessarily describing 'the far left'. just like 'righty' describes anyone right of center, not necessarily 'the far right'.

Your OP was excellent as it stimulated an important conversation ... can't say I'm surprised by some of the comments. Fascism thrives because far too many in this country are dedicated more to civility and order than liberty and justice, as MLK observed more than a generation ago.

[Honeycombe8]

130. Thanks. (I'm also left-handed...I refer to myself as a leftie in more ways than one)

https://www.leftyslefthanded.com/The_Lefty_Notebook_Where_the_Right_Way_to_Write_p/592109.htm

[Lanius]

40. I don't condone violence, but it doesn't help that Trump has set the tone with his racism, sexism,

xenophobia, nativism and homophobia. Wearing a MAGA hate means you are OK with white nationalism, white male resentment and anti-immigrant bias. Many minorities are not going to react well to someone wearing that hat, the way they react to a KKK hood or Nazi tattoos.

[tenderfoot]

52. The kids were joking about lynching blacks and such. Thus inciting a reaction...

and they got it.

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/witness-claims-viral-whataburger-attack-may-have-been-motivated-by-racist-remarks/273-570979179

[Kingofalldems]

57. Interesting thread I must say.

[Alea]

58. If true

This anonymous witness needs to talk to the police. They will confirm she was there by looking at the security camera videos, which will give some credibility to the article. That said, it only changes things a very little bit. These were 16 year old kids, jimenez is 30. Grown ups can't assault and steal from kids because of words. This guys best course of action would have been to grab his phone and video these kids and what they were saying, and make them the big news story. Provided they were actually saying what the article says. Most everyone has a smart phone now. We whip out the camera and video at the drop of a hat. If I heard anyone talking about lynching people I'd turn it on and start videoing. No one in this wataburger did that? Jimenez didn't, the witness didn't? No one else? Either way it don't matter. Hands off the kids.

[tenderfoot]

59. Leave those racist bully kids alone!

[backscatter712]

93. OK, maybe the whole murder & meth-cooking thing was a bridge too far.

But Walter White was in the right in this one.

[eleny]

62. They clamored for an end to political correctness and got their wish

[dalton99a]

65. Exactly.

[MariaCSR]

108. THIS.

[radius777]

66. Fascists aren't entitled to civility and comfort.

Fascism is itself violent with ethnoterrorism at it's core, and fully deserves the response it gets.

PoC kids at the behest of the MAGAts are being tossed into cages and treated like animals.

These white brats who provoked the incident and staged this video - get off easy - they get to go back to their comfortable middle class lives while mommy feeds them cookies and reads them bedtime stories.

Where I come from, if you talk shit (regardless of age), you'd better be willing to 'throw down'.

Whites have long lived in a comfortable bubble that allows them to support/incite/commit violence (Trump's rise to power is such an example) while not being held accountable.

[Alea]

67. Nice to know you're willing to 'throw down' with a kid

btw, The news outlet claiming there was a witness claiming the kids were being racist.... "Editor's note: An earlier version of this story included quotes from the alleged witness. Those have been removed from this copy due to concerns about the legitimacy of the statements."

[radius777]

68. The guy let the punks off easy

All he did was throw their coke and take the MAGA hat, which is the equivalent of a klan hood or swastika. And I fully believe they provoked and staged the video based upon reports on social media and elsewhere.

Whites have long foisted an ethnofascist system on PoC, best exemplified by Trump's election, and you can't expect people to sit back and fold their hands.

I have no desire to throw down with anyone, merely stating how it is in the diverse neighborhood I grew up in, and how people value accountablity.

Trump is a perfect example of the white brat who spent his entire life running his mouth without accountabilty.

[MichMan]

69. What do you think is an appropriate response then?

For a 30 year old against a teenager?

Punch them repeatedly until unconscious?

[Tipperary]

71. I would be fucking pissed off if some asshole came and stole my hat and threw a drink in my face.

Sure, you go ahead and believe this skinny young kid did something that would piss off a much older, larger man. No way.

[backscatter712]

80. Then don't wear a MAGA hat in public.

Might as well go on a stroll wearing a Klan hood and a swastika armband. People don't take kindly.

[Tipperary]

81. I hate those hats too, but last I checked this is a free country. So if I wear my rainbow flag

jacket, it is ok for someone who hates gays to attack me? BULLSHIT.

[backscatter712]

85. Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.

Maybe actually damaging him is over the top.

A spilled drink and an MIA MAGA hat isn't.

[Tipperary]

87. So, same for me with my rainbow hat or jacket right? That was not a SPILLED drink!

Did you not see the video of the bully? He is a nasty bully.

[backscatter712]

89. Yeah, those two underaged bullies were little shits, weren't they?

[Tipperary]

90. Yeah, two skinny little boys picked on this huge man.

Pull the other one (English saying I doubt you are familiar with)

I sure do not want to interfere with your narrative, but would you be ok with someone yanking a cap off your head and throwing a drink in your face?

Yeah, probably. Because most tough guys on the internet are just that.

[radius777]

122. Skinny white boys know they have the law on their side,

and that the big bad racist cops will hunt down the uppity PoC and throw him in jail, merely for rejecting white supremacy.

[radius777]

100. False equivalence. LGBTQ are an oppressed class

whereas RW whites are an oppressor class.

So to wield the club of white supremacy, by discussing lynching and brandishing a MAGA hat, etc - is an act of oppression and ethnic aggression, while objecting to that (what Jimenez did, which was mild) is an act of resistance and ethnic self defense.

[DashOneBravo]

115. Yeah you get to wear a MAGA hat

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[Initech]

86. Read beyond the headlines!

These kids absolutely did something to piss this guy off - they were openly discussing lynching and murdering black and latino people in public. That guy was right to get pissed off. I would had I been in that guy's position!

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-news-whataburger-maga-attack-20180706-story.html#

[Alea]

94. Your hero got arrested on a felony

Also, the original news outlet that claimed there was a witness claiming the kids were being racist have backed away from that report.

"KENS 5 Editor's note: An earlier version of this story included quotes from the alleged witness. Those have been removed from this copy due to concerns about the legitimacy of the statements."

https://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/witness-claims-viral-whataburger-attack-may-have-been-motivated-by-racist-remarks/273-570979179

So your hero is in jail, booked on a felony, his life is now in the shitter and rightfully so, and now he's a poster child(man) for what our party stands for, and you're all for it? lol smh

Hands off the kids. It's really that simple.

[Initech]

97. Hey whoa whoa whoa. I never said this guy was a hero, did I?

Let's back up here. I said what he did was as wrong as what the kid was saying. What I am saying is what that guy did by throwing soda in those kids' faces was wrong. But the kids aren't exactly heroes in this story either - they were white supremacist douchebags, but really it was a clusterfuck on both sides is what I'm getting at. Don't put words in my mouth like that.

[Alea]

98. You said in the thread you made about this topic

"Seriously. I'd be in jail right now if I were in that restaurant." That statement implies would would have committed violence against those kids that would have gotten you arrested.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10837235

You also continue to push the witness claims which the police say don't exist and the News that originally reported the witness claims have backed off of it.

Sorry, but it really does sound like you are ok with this assault, and this man that "stood up to these kids".

[Initech]

103. I am not ok with assault.

I'm also not OK with genocide either. Yeah maybe I did go too far there. I also deleted that post. I would never do anything illegal but I would confront the little Nazi shits about what they said. Would I lay a finger on them? Absolutely not.

[radius777]

104. these "kids" were wielding the club of white supremacy

and got the reaction they wanted.

They acted in the name of fascism, and got an antifascist reaction.

[Alea]

109. Yep, well the kids are chillin

and Kino is in jail for a felony and the "witness" is no where to be found and the news outlet has backed away from the witnesses claims, and your extremist attitude toward adult violence against minors is noted.

[radius777]

123. TX is a right-wing MAGAt infested state

and the witness is likely fearful for his/her life, and the paper is likely fearful of losing readership.

Of course the non-white is in jail, and the white punks who started it are chillin... what they intended all along.

[Alea]

124. You have way to much hate inside you

Maybe I don't have enough

[ariesgem]

78. Exactly. As a black woman..

I am so SICK of these racist mfers coming out the shadows.
... If they're old & bold enough with the muscle/energy to lynch me and they are in or near MY space talking about lynching black folks, my stance will not be civil.... they will not be seen as "kids" with me... Our kids (Michael Brown, Travon Martin, Tamir Rice, etc, etc...) are looked at as boogey MEN and our kids continue to be treated as such.

No coddling here...

From N.Y.

Now live in L.A.

Raised not to to play the game of passivity when it comes to RACISM.

[MichMan]

111. What level of violence do you believe is appropriate....

…..for a 30 yr old adult to perform on a teenager? What about a 12 year old kid?

Throw a drink in their face and steal property like the person here? Punch them in the face repeated times until they are unconscious ?


In either case you would have been arrested and charged with a felony

[ariesgem]

114. They will at minimum be confronted...

N/T

[backscatter712]

116. In the words of Darth Vader...

"He will not be permanently damaged."

[Tipperary]

72. Increased incidents? Can you link to other examples please?

I see another poster also requested this.

[Honeycombe8]

74. Other incidents.

You're joking, right?

You didn't see the news about EPA Pruitt being confronted in restaurant by citizen?

You didn't see the numerous reports about Sarah Sanders being kicked out of a restaurant?

You haven't seen the multiple and numerous protests across the country in the last month in response to the children incarceration?

[MineralMan]

75. In which of those incidents did someone do something physical?

Not the same thing at all.

[Honeycombe8]

96. It's elementary.

Logic 101.

A. Guy does something that goes against a MAGA person that does not cause injury or death.
B. The MAGA cyber community goes apesh*t over it.
C. Guys with MAGA hats, or marching with MAGAs, commit real physical injury to people, as well as murder. AND acts that go against other citizens but don't cause injury or death.
D. The MAGA cyber community says nothing about "C."

The point is MAGA-pies disparate reaction to disagreements, arguments, or actions. If you don't agree their reaction is based on whether it's one of their own doing the actions or the opposing side, that's fine. That is not my observation, though. Which is what my post was about, as it clearly says in plain English.

[Tipperary]

82. None of those were violent incidents. And I sure hope we do not descend to the level of this

nasty horrid person who chose to attack a teenager much smaller than him. He would never have done that to large men wearing the same cap, si my guess.

[Honeycombe8]

95. You're right. I'm not aware of any violent citizens on the left, incl. the subject...

of my post. That was the whole point of the post...in the face of real violence by the right, including serious physical injuries and deaths, they go apesh*t over people on the left doing just about anything whatsoever that goes against their idol, the orange one.

[Soxfan58]

76. My quintessential trump supporter

Was the sucker punch guy from one of dumbasses rallies. Big tough guy when security has your arms. I always thought that kid should have hunted that coward down, look him straight in the face and say I'm twice the man you are.

[MichMan]

77. The assailant has been charged with Felony Theft and arrested

[Initech]

83. Do a search - the kids were openly discussing genocide and lynching black people.

Definitely time to fight back against these assholes.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210837128

[MichMan]

84. I stated he was charged and arrested.

That is true, isn't it?

He can claim it was justified at his trial if he can find witnesses

[Tipperary]

88. No they were not. Pure rumor to try and excuse the actions of this Green Party asshat.

I doubt he voted for Hillary.

[Initech]

91. Really?

I won't believe anything until the story unfolds but knowing what I know about Trump supporters the dialogue that was coming from those kids does not surprise me at all, and that should not be excused either.

[backscatter712]

92. If he were white, he'd be charged with disorderly conduct and given a $50 ticket.

But apparently yoinking a little shit's swastika hat, ahem, I meant MAGA hat, and splashing a drink on him is worthy of hard time...

[radius777]

99. Exactly, "juss a good kid playing prankz" is what

white America would say, and he'd get a slap on the wrist.

Whether kids or not, they wielded the club of white supremacy, and got the reaction they wanted.

If this MoC gets doxxed and charged, so should these punks and their families.

[Honeycombe8]

117. It's not a felony to steal a hat.

It has to be over a certain amount to be a felony.

[MichMan]

125. It is in Texas if the item is stolen while on a person

Here is what was posted on another thread about the same incident

(4) a state jail felony if:

......

(B) regardless of value, the property is stolen from the person of another or from a human corpse or grave, including property that is a military grave marker;

[Honeycombe8]

128. But I think it still has to be over a certain amount, to be a felony.

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Don't know. What you quoted doesn't say.

State Jail Felony Theft
Theft is a state jail felony in Texas if the value of the property or services stolen is $1,500 or more but less than $20,000, or if the property is of a specific type, such as a firearm or certain livestock valued at less than $20,000. ( § 31.03(e)(4).) The punishment for a state jail felony in Texas is incarceration ranging from 180 days to two years of in a state jail, plus a fine of no more than $10.000. ( § 12.35.)

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/crime-penalties/petty-theft-texas-penalties-defense

There are also laws regarding stealing from a person, when perp is using a deadly weapon, which is intended to cover muggings, it seems.

[tenderfoot]

136. assailant

Drama much?

[samnsara]

101. wait til they find out how many of us own guns!

[MichMan]

126. What would you do with your gun ?

Blow the kids head off?

[Tipperary]

131. I know, right?

Some really ugly stuff here. Of course it is pretty easy to act all tough on the internet, Sad that threatening gun violence makes some people feel all big and manly.

[get the red out]

102. I agree

I am sick of being nice!

[mr_lebowski]

105. If I'd overheard I've have fired up my camera, stood next to their table and filmed ...

And when they stopped with their little rant I'd have said "What's wrong guys? Keep talking like that! I'll make you FAMOUS, I promise ... go on with your bad little selves ..."

And if they were all 'what to do you mean' I'd have recited their words back to them, loud enough to get attention, then I've have turned to the people around them and asked them 'did you hear those kids talking like that? About how whites should be allowed to murder immigrants for the 4th of July?'. Hopefully some of them would've nodded/said yes at the very least.

Then I've said "look guys, you wanna talk like that amongst yourselves, at your playground, during recess or whatever, it's a free country. But talking that way, loudly, in public? That's like yelling 'fire' in a theater. There's LIMITS, kids? You get me?

Now are you done talking this way or do I need to keep filming?"

(according to a witness, that's the crap these kids were talking, not sure if true, but if it IS what started the incident ... and I'd heard it)

[Alea]

112. Yes Sir exactly

They are kids. They probably don't even know why they are wearing the hat. Hell, they could vote dem in 2 years. Our society has always given leeway to minors for being stupid because Kids do stupid stuff. Your way is the correct way. Kino's way cemmented their beliefs that our side really is crazy.

[Honeycombe8]

118. Their mother was the one videotaping. nt

[Alea]

120. Nothing I can find says the Mother was there

She posted the video after they showed it to her. From every News source accounting, it was only the 3 boys in the booth.

[zanana1]

133. I'm feeling so fed up today...

I'm backing the soda thrower! It's not like he ran his car into those kids, is it?

[mr_lebowski]

135. To be clear, I only dislike what he did because it looks bad for 'us' if I'm bein' real ;)

[Red Mountain]

113. Shame is a powerful tool

You think there might have been employees there who saw the hat and couldn't say a word for fear of losing their jobs? Of course their were.

I see a MAGA hat as an attempt at intimidation. Intimidation using a very passive voice.

Good people should avoid any action that would put them in legal jeopardy.....but addressing the hat up close and personal.......that needs to happen. Yes, he was an adult versus kids. Not entirely fair but I think it is fair to say 'it takes a village to raise a child'.

Give them a good talking to and stick a finger in their food. Works wonders.

[JustAnotherGen]

127. Bad example? Yes - but

I just read this elsewhere:

This is no time to be civil. This is no time for appeasement.

Push back. If physically pushed - defend yourself. Don't be the original pusher.

Example - Tom Malinowski (CD-7 Democratic Candidate) marched in a parade on 4th of July with County Democratics and local Candidates.

A Citizen yelled from his porch "Go home!"

They yelled back with much hostility: WE ARE HOME!!!!!

He went inside.

Ain't no takesy backsey. <- JAG's dad quote.

The high road says - oh win his heart and mind.

The higher road says -No retreat and no surrender. Authoritarian Fascists "know" anger, force, yelling, threats in numbers etc etc. They can't be won over.

So ROAR!!!!!

[oberliner]

129. We shouldn't throw soda on people

Seems like that is a no brainer.

[Honeycombe8]

134. Do you have a comment on the subject of the OP, though?

It's a given that people shouldn't throw soda on each other & steal another's hat. For one thing, that could get a person shot.

But the OP was about the overreaction of the Trumpers to an incident that was minor, in comparison to the incidents that have been caused by those on the right that resulted in physical injury and death.

I noticed that overreaction on a local community forum, where they are outraged! Shocked! How dare he do that! What's the world coming to! But they were silent during Charlottesville, where blacks were beaten up, MAGAs and supremacists were marching together, where a woman was killed & others seriously injured, or that incident where the NY young lawyer goes off in a deli about the workers there speaking Spanish, or the children being taken from their parents & incarcerated in cages, or the groups of high school students wearing MAGA hats and taunting Hispanic students in the lunchroom, etc. Remember when Tea Partiers yelled derogatory names to the Congress' Black Caucus as they entered the building...and someone spit on one them? No reaction from the far right on those incidents.

But over the top for the Sarah Sanders incident, this throwing soda & bad language incident, the "anti-American" protests, etc.

Why would they would be so outraged at incidents that pale in comparison to incidents by the far-right in recent years? It doesn't seem to be fake outrage. I am guessing that it's because they aren't used to seeing those on the left figuratively fight back. They're supposed to stand there, as usual, and take the high road. It's easier to bully someone, when the object doesn't take defensive action or bully back. They are truly surprised to see pushback.

Here's a phone msg using the N word by a far righter to a black Congressman, and a shot of a far right protestor spitting on a black Congressman: