Protest all you like, Susan Sarandon. In effect you work for Trump

[Cha]

Much More.. I just clipped 4 paragraphs.. it's an interesting take from Marina Hyde at The Guardian(this affects the World, of course).. wish I could post the whole thing but Noooo!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2018/jul/05/protest-all-you-like-susan-sarandon-in-effect-you-work-for-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw

Link to tweet

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Sensational news for people who thought Susan Sarandon couldn’t get arrested in Hollywood after her imbecilic suggestion during the 2016 US presidential election that there was no real difference between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump.

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Hang on, you may be thinking – I’m puzzled as to what Susan was doing there in the first place. Didn’t she, in effect, vote for Trump, with her showy endorsement of third party Green candidate Jill Stein? Yes. Yes she did. And if she disagrees with that paraphrasing, she’s welcome to come and have a sit-in at the Guardian’s offices about it.


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Mmm. Obviously, Susan is far from the only person to get that little bit of electoral prediction wrong. In fact, she doesn’t even make the cut of the top 100,000 people to be wrong about it, vast numbers of whom were journalists. She may, however, be one of the last remaining persons to still deny they got anything wrong AT ALL. Only a few months ago, Susan was explaining to this newspaper that had Hillary been elected: “We would still be fracking, we would be at war. It wouldn’t be much smoother. Look what happened under Obama that we didn’t notice.” As she concluded of Hillary: “I did think she was very, very dangerous.”

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If you’re being separated from your children right now, or losing your healthcare, or wondering about the imminent danger to your abortion rights, it may feel like Susan’s whole “let’s see where the cards fall” approach borders on the self-indulgent...

ETA~TWEET!

[sheshe2]

1. Fugg Susie.

There is a place in hell for her, Cha.

Wish I could post the image. Outstanding.

[Cha]

2. Thanks, she! I know I tried so hard to

post the image.. it's a perfect illustration by Nick Oliver.

So you got to read the whole thing? I think it's smooth reading and brilliantly done. Sniping is so hard when the entire piece needs to be read together!

End quote: "Or, to put it more fawningly: we – as beautiful, strong, powerful, is-that-enough-trite-adjectives women – hereby endorse you to cough to the fact that the right to control who we buy our weed off is simply less important than the right to control our own bodies and keep hold of our own children. Thanks for your time!"

[redstateblues]

102. You rock Cha!

[Cha]

110. You! redstateblues.. I found the illustration in a tweet!

Link to tweet

[WhiteTara]

27. And her horse and her colts.

[Cha]

98. I found the Illustration on a Tweet, she..

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

99. Excellent Cha!

Thanks!

[Gothmog]

105. She gave us trump

I really do not care to listen to this privilege idiot

[american_ideals]

3. She DID work for Trump. If she has changed, I'll welcome her.

People can make mistakes and if they own them, I will forgive her.

This is true.

Didn’t she, in effect, vote for Trump, with her showy endorsement of third party Green candidate Jill Stein? Yes. Yes she did.

But has she apologized?

[Cha]

4. No, SS hasn't apologized.. in fact she's doubled

down.

As indicated, Susan appears to have had zero moments of self-doubt since the election. She seems to yield to self-reflection about as much as Tony Blair, another individual unshakeably convinced of his own moral rectitude (see also Jeremy Corbyn), who will doubtless go to his grave thinking history will judge him right to have invaded Iraq with an aftercare plan slightly less comprehensive than that you’d get if you purchased a houseplant. “If you think it’s pragmatic to shore up the status quo right now,” Susan explained loftily before the 2016 election, “then you’re not in touch with the status quo.” Strong words – and yet, spoken not entirely like someone who’d been wandering the Appalachians in search of a clue for the past two years.

[Gothmog]

106. No she has not apologized and she will never admit that she was wrong

This idiot supported Nader and gave W, the Iraq war, citizens united and the gutting of the voting rights act

[Demsrule86]

126. I wouldn't...she pulled this same shit with Nader...she is out. Also, she doesn't feel bad at all...

She and other Stein voters own the baby jails as much as any Republican...and all the environmental damage as well...they should change the name of the Green Party to the I hate the environment and babies party.

[aikoaiko]

5. I've moved on. Hating on Sarandon doesn't help us win in 2018 or 2020.

She protests Trump like me. She supports Democratic candidates like me.

Sometimes I have different opinions than those of hers.

[Sophia4]

11. Precisely. We cannot change the past, but we can work with everyone to win the

November 2018 and 2020 elections.

This kind of dwelling on past injury gets us nowhere.

We have to join with all who are liberal and/or progressive to win this Fall.

We cannot win 2016 now. We have to live in the present.

It may feel good to express all our angry feelings, but it does not win elections.

[Cha]

24. Yes, we're working to make sure Stein and Sarandon's LIES

don't work in 2020.

And, we're very good at multi-tasking..

Link to tweet

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I know you saw this on another thread but here it is again.

[Sophia4]

37. Constantly insulting a segment of potential voters for our side is not helpful.

Know your friends and treat them well.

Sarandon is not the problem. Only here are people obsessed with her. She is not important or even interesting any place else.

The work is to unify and then get voters out, not to divide and insult Democrats and potential Democratic voters further.

Let's allow old wounds to heal, not deepen them.

[Cha]

42. SS is the RFing INSULTER.. People are Rightly PISSED

and you bemoaning about it is not going to shut down discussion.

[disillusioned73]

86. Obsessed is an understatement..

[Cha]

96. Too bad for those who can't admit all

the damage stein and Sarandon helped cause to our country and the Planet because of their LIES and Privilege.

They're going to pull the same ol Shite in 2020.

[heaven05]

166. we better be obsessed

obsessed to stop the dilution of the Democratic Party with a minority held view on how to progress and defeat the RW. Can be included, yet not the focus of change within our Party. Period. The soul of our Party and it's liberal planks of our Party platform is not to be stomped upon by the likes of the Sarandons and 'others'.

[ehrnst]

95. You need to be schoolin the people on this thread...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10835914

[Gothmog]

107. Sarandon is not our friend and she is working to help Trump and the GOP

[heaven05]

165. SARANDON'S et al;

are still the problem. Nothing is in the past. Our past is still present and if we don't work very hard to exclude misdirection, diversion, obfuscation, LIES, distraction from our focus and concentrate on GOTV for viable Democrats, 2018 and 2020 will seal the liberal's fate in this country as well as making our Party insignificant. It must be a blue tsunami and it has to be a tsunami of viable candidates that are Democrats with a purpose.

To right the injustice, prejudice, racism openly prevalent in amerika now and get those kidnapped children back to their families and parents that the RW nazis have perpetrated. Period.

[Demsrule86]

168. Those who supported Stein and were influenced by Sarandon...can fuck off...they took their

ball and went home one time too many...Green slime...hope they suffer bigly under the orange menace. If they had a conscience and were ashamed of what they did...you wouldn't have to court them...after Nader , decent folks came out of the woodwork to say how ashamed they were of their vote which as always with third parties like the Greens is a vote for the Republican.

[Gothmog]

188. I still remember Sarandon daring to attack Delores Huerta

Link to tweet

[Raine]

13. Agree

I don't see any point in continually hating on others. I refuse to let hate eat me up, I can't live that way.

[Cha]

23. This is a Good Call Out on SS from Across the Pond..

Last edited Fri Jul 6, 2018, 10:05 AM - Edit history (1)

SS' LIES assisted Russia in getting trump Rigged in and it's affecting the world.

Thanks for Kicking the thread, Raine.

[Sophia4]

39. But that is in the past.

Right now, our job is to win the next election.

We need every liberal or progressive voter we can persuade to vote. We don't need insults and cat-calls. No matter who did or said what in the past, we need to take back as much of Congress as we can.

Focus. It's important.

[Cha]

43. NOPE.. it's right now.. sarandon keeps sticking her fucking

smug face out there to remind us the shite LIES she pulled and she's going to Do It Again in 2020.

[George II]

59. Sarandon is involving herself in elections here in 2018. That is not the past.

[Sophia4]

61. The best policy is to listen and watch long enough to learn from it and then to think

and act positively in responding to it. Complaining about it does not improve our country or help us choose the best leaders.

We need to focus on our goals and not on the negativity around us.

[George II]

70. I listened and learned from it in 2016. Obviously she never learned from it, she's still spouting.

[Sophia4]

74. If she is not fully on our side and she is a liberal, then her failure to be on our side

is our failure. It's up to us to find a way to achieve agreement with those who agree with us on the basics.

And if they don't agree with us on the basics, we should not spend too much time thinking about them or writing posts about them. Rather, we should focus on getting our voters out and sending a positive message out that wins new voters.

[Hekate]

77. Sarandon's idiocy is "our failure"? Hell no it isn't. She is not an ally, she is not a friend...

...and from her high and very privileged perch, she wants the rest of us to know we should have a "revolution," which I take to mean blood and fire and destruction.

She has told us who she is -- and when people tell you who they are, believe them. She needs to be politically neutralized, not courted.

[JI7]

111. no, she is not a progressive. if you think Clinton is worse than Trump you are not a fucking

progressive. you are not liberal. you are not even moderate.

you are a fucking piece of shit.

[herding cats]

120. No. Just, no.

When people are working to derail us, when they're flat out wrong, when they're misguided or stupid it's our obligation to say so if we know better. In this case she's been proven wrong and people are calling her on her foolish idealistic ways. Good on them!

Maybe, just maybe some people who took her literally will learn something? Even one person who learns from her mistakes is a good thing. That's progress for the better. Pretending otherwise just to not 'rock the boat' for the sake of not making waves is lunacy.

What I regret from before is not speaking out against mindless self-flagellation against Democrats. I thought intelligence and sanity would prevail. Instead we ended up with Trump. I learned a lesson not to let people spread foolish thinking unchecked. Sarandon used up all her free passes from me, and then some. I've no time to coddle any who don't see her for what she is, but I welcome those who are wise enough to learn the error of their ways and change.

[Trumpocalypse]

154. Total BS

If people who agree with us 95% of the time still can’t vote for the Democratic because of the 5%, that’s on them.

[heaven05]

167. BS

[Gothmog]

176. Are You kidding?

Link to tweet

[mcar]

71. Learn from what?

Sarandon and her crowd insisting that HRC was worse than Trump?

What, pray tell, could anyone possibly learn from that?

[Sophia4]

73. Learn how to create a campaign that persuades them to vote with you.

Beneath the calumny and frustration they are expressing, what do they want?

How do you win them to your side or at least strike a truce with them?

They are basically liberals, progressives, Democrats. What do we have to offer without selling ourselves out that will cause them to want to join us in November 2018 and 2020 and back the candidates we choose?

Where do we agree with them?

That's how you negotiate and win in the long run.

It's not helpful to just react on an emotional level. We are smarter than that.

[mcar]

76. You really think we need to persuade "progressives" to vote Democratic?

Do they have eyes and ears to see and hear what is going on in this country?

Are they aware of what the Rs are doing to our courts? Our environment? Our rights? Our standing in the world?

Why would anyone with even half a functioning brain need to be persuaded?

Honestly, I'd rather spend my time registering new voters and helping those voters affected by voter suppression tactics keep their voting rights than beg people who should know better to please, pretty please, hold your nose and vote for Democrats in November. Anyone who voted for Stein or wrote in another candidate or just stayed home and who still thinks we need to bow and scrape to get their vote just isn't worth it.

This is not about them. Maybe they should stop being so damn selfish and think of the country.

[Sophia4]

84. We should do both. We need all their votes.

Let's strike up a conversation with the progressives who didn't vote for Hillary and also register new voters. We can do both if we use our strength well.

[JI7]

113. they are not progressives. they want republicans to win

[Hekate]

81. You know what? HILLARY WON. By the numbers, Americans preferred her message over Trump's...

So what you need to do is figure out how to PROTECT THE VOTES THAT WE ALREADY HAVE by stopping Russian hackers, Chinese hackers, bots, trolls, New Jim Crow laws, Old Jim Crow voter suppression tactics, and all the rest of it.

We HAVE the message. We've negotiated. We've expanded the tent.

So what are you going to do about the voters' rolls that got ethnically cleansed? Hm? You do know about that, right? In places where Hillary "lost" by a narrow margin, up to 200,000 lkely Democratic voters had been purged from the rolls.

[Sophia4]

83. You are on the right track. The real problem is protecting the votes we get.

Susan Sarandon, etc. are just distractions from dealing with the real problems.

And Hillary did win the popular vote. If we ended the electoral college, all our votes would count equally, and future Hillarys who win the most votes will actually be inaugurated.

Let's focus on solving the real problems. That's my point precisely.

Thanks.

[Hortensis]

88. Excellent post, Hekate. Structural and procedural

problems, both constitutional and created by corruption, that overset democracy are keeping America from having the representation we vote for. All the pretenses in the world that these stolen elections are our party and candidates' fault are clueless and gullible at best.

[mcar]

90. This!

[Hekate]

93. It amazes me how very very very concerned some people are that "HRC just didn't have a message"

They are very concerned people -- they have a whole litany of concerns that seem so, I dunno, rehearsed. The Democrats blew it, Hillary blew it, it was all our fault that the American electorate preferred Trump. And we need to be nice to people who are our sworn enemies. Well, screw that. By the numbers, none of that happens to be the truth.

[mcar]

94. These same people are now very very concerned

that Democrats aren't trying to "persuade" SS types to pretty please vote for Democrats.

Oh, and we are so bad at accepting "constructive criticism." You know, like "Democrats suck."

[oasis]

114. I am in 100% agreement with your post.

[heaven05]

170. +++ so true, ESPECIALLY

the voter suppression, Jim Crow. 'Others' don't like to address those problems. The feel those type 'nuisance' problems will be solved by financial equality and paradise will be reached. Taught and Practiced, Blind eye, deaf ear. When I attended pre-primary BS committee setup meetings here locally and there is still no reach out to those who know racial/cultural oppression is a key factor in the problems plaguing amerika. And they discussed ad nauseum reaching financial paradise. Well, they did discuss, they essentially shut the only chocolate chip out, and they turned me off with the dribble they drooled in sickening praise of their leader. They are still following the same outmoded script. Pretty sad really.

[Gothmog]

108. You mean like what Rove did with Nader?

I will never forgive nader Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

Furthermore, Karl Rove and the Republican Party knew this, and so they nurtured and crucially assisted Nader’s campaigns, both in 2000 and in 2004. On 27 October 2000, the AP’s Laura Meckler headlined “GOP Group To Air Pro-Nader TV Ads.” She opened: “Hoping to boost Ralph Nader in states where he is threatening to hurt Al Gore, a Republican group is launching TV ads featuring Nader attacking the vice president [Mr. Gore]. ... ‘Al Gore is suffering from election year delusion if he thinks his record on the environment is anything to be proud of,’ Nader says [in the commercial]. An announcer interjects: ‘What’s Al Gore’s real record?’ Nader says: ‘Eight years of principles betrayed and promises broken.’” Meckler’s report continued: “A spokeswoman for the Green Party nominee said that his campaign had no control over what other organizations do with Nader’s speeches.” Bush’s people - the group sponsoring this particular ad happened to be the Republican Leadership Council - knew exactly what they were doing, even though the liberal suckers who voted so carelessly for Ralph Nader obviously did not. Anyone who drives a car the way those liberal fools voted, faces charges of criminal negligence, at the very least. But this time, the entire nation crashed as a result; not merely a single car.....

On July 9th, the San Francisco Chronicle headlined “GOP Doners Funding Nader: Bush Supporters Give Independent’s Bid a Financial Lift,” and reported that the Nader campaign “has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party,” according to “an analysis of federal records.” Perhaps these contributors were Ambassador Egan’s other friends. Mr. Egan’s wife was now listed among the Nader contributors. Another listed was “Nijad Fares, a Houston businessman, who donated $200,000 to the Bush inaugural committee and who donated $2,000 each to the Nader effort and the Bush campaign this year.” Furthermore, Ari Berman reported 7 October 2004 at the Nation, under “Swift Boat Veterans for Nader,” that some major right-wing funders of a Republican smear campaign against Senator John Kerry’s Vietnam service contributed also $13,500 to the Nader campaign, and that “the Republican Party of Michigan gathered ninety percent of Nader’s signatures in their state” (90%!) to place Nader on the ballot so Bush could win that swing state’s 17 electoral votes. Clearly, the word had gone out to Bush’s big contributors: Help Ralphie boy! In fact, on 15 September 2005, John DiStaso of the Manchester Union-Leader, reported that, “A year ago, as the Presidential general election campaign raged in battleground state New Hampshire, consumer advocate Ralph Nader found his way onto the ballot, with the help of veteran Republican strategist David Carney and the Carney-owned Norway Hill Associates consulting firm.”

It was obvious, based upon the 2000 election results, that a dollar contributed to Nader in the 2004 contest would probably be a more effective way to achieve a Bush win against Kerry in the U.S. Presidential election than were perhaps even ten dollars contributed to Bush. This was a way of peeling crucial votes off from Bush’s real opponent - votes that otherwise would have gone to the Democrat. That’s why the smartest Republican money in the 2004 Presidential election was actually going to Nader, even more so than to Bush himself: these indirect Bush contributions provided by far the biggest bang for the right-wing buck.

Sarandon supported Nader just like supported Stein

[Sophia4]

135. We need a constitutional amendment that ends corporate donations to political campaigns.

And the Democratic Party needs to support things like universal access to health insurance (and not through your employer) and alternative energy -- even more than they have. Democrats need to make it clear that we are on the side of working Americans no matter where they live or who is their employer.

We may have to distance ourselves from some of our biggest funders if we do that.

We need to defend public education and affordable college and job training and unions more than we have.

We need to avoid the trap of negativity and personality clashes that don't serve the needs of the American people.

And that is just the beginning of the list. There is so much we could do better.

I read so many negative posts on DU, so full of anger. We need to give hope to Americans, not anger. Anger serves conservatives. Love serves Democrats -- liberals.

And I read too many angry posts here, not enough that are full of love.

We need to bluntly criticize employers who treat employees badly and campaign for improvements in our employment laws to protect the interests of working people.

There are so many things we need to do and stand for, but so many here waste time quibbling over Susan Sarandon's latest naughtinesses. Enough of that irrelevant, silly stuff.

[Gothmog]

137. Or we could have ignored Sarandon and Stein and voted for a candidate who supported finance reform

It would have been so much easier to ignore Stein and Sarandon Rove played Sarandon and the Nader idiots in 2000 and 2004 and Russia and the GOP supported Stein in 2015 They both got a good return on their investment.

Here are the planks in the Clinton campaign finance platform https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/campaign-finance-reform/

As president, Hillary will:

Overturn Citizens United—the Supreme Court case that unleashed hundreds of millions of dollars in corporate and special-interest money into U.S. elections.Hillary will appoint Supreme Court justices who will protect Americans’ right to vote over the right of billionaires to buy elections. She will also propose a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United within her first 30 days in office.
End secret, unaccountable money in politics. We need federal legislation to require outside groups to publicly disclose significant political spending. And until Congress acts, Hillary will sign an executive order requiring federal government contractors to do the same. She’ll also push for an SEC rule requiring publicly traded companies to disclose political spending to shareholders.
Amplify the voices of everyday Americans. Hillary will establish a small-donor matching system for presidential and congressional elections to give small donors greater influence.

[Sophia4]

141. Great platform plank, and it got very little attention compared to Trump's cacophony.

[Gothmog]

144. Clinton lost due to Comey, trump, Russia and a number of issues

On the issues, Clinton won. Trump had the benefit of the Russia machine that convinced a number of voters to vote for stein or not vote. Go look at the JPR site and you will still see the Russian machine in operation Sanders supporters were targeted by Russia and judging from the studies posted above with great effect

Link to tweet

Again, sanders supporters were easily fooled by russian fake news and the studies cited above show this cost the election

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

178. From my twitter feed

Link to tweet

[JI7]

112. if one needs to be persuaded to vote for Clinton over Trump they are NOT progressive

[R B Garr]

122. Why don't you also join in with the self-critiquing.

What can you do to get Democrats elected instead of endless doubts and blame and empty insults. What has been learned from the endless and vicious attacks on our nominee that attracted the attention of a hostile foreign power with their Russian oligarchs. What has been learned from casting constant doubt about Democrats? What can you do differently? Do you now see what a con man Trump is?

We are smarter than that, indeed. All our suspicions have been confirmed by the Mueller investigations. Why don’t your posts ever acknowledge the reality of the Mueller investigations?? It is common knowledge now.

[betsuni]

123. +1

[Hekate]

174. +2

[Trumpocalypse]

155. No they need to learn that voting is a responsibility

and not a selfish exercise so they self righteously proclaim how they never compromised their principles.

[Sophia4]

156. Very good. I agree, so how do you think we can teach that to voters?

How do we get the news out?

[Trumpocalypse]

162. They are unteachable

They are too arrogant and self righteous to take any responsibility for their actions.

[R B Garr]

117. It would be helpful if you could share what you learned

by not voting for the Democrat. You should take your own advice and tell us what you learned and how you regret possibly influencing others. I did listen and watch and was frankly horrified.

[Demsrule86]

169. You follow history so as not to repeat the mistakes of the past...those two are responsible for

Trump...and Stein sat at Putin's table in Moscow.

[xmas74]

190. And we need to focus also on what went wrong.

Sarandon helped bring about W in 2000 with her support of Nader and active campaigning against the Democratic Party. She did the same by repeating the same old lies in 2016.

She is not our friend. Her supporters are not our friends. They have worked as spoilers in multiple elections against the common good.

The saying goes "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." We've stupidly been fooled twice. There can be no third option.

[Sophia4]

192. So, she is predictable. She doesn't help Democrats.

She also doesn't win elections. Why focus on her. Let's don't focus on what cause us and others to lose. Let's focus on what causes us and others to win.

Constantly complaining about Susan Sarandon doesn't win elections.

Focusing on what we can do together to make our country better does.

[Gothmog]

194. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

Sarandon help elect W in 2000 by supporting Nader. In 2016, Sarandon elected trump by supporting Stein. There is a pattern and we need to learn from this pattern

[Sophia4]

205. Seems to me the rather negative lesson has been learned.

We need now to focus on positive proposals for America, not on failed, minor political organizers who just happen to be famous.

We have a lot to offer voters. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about the problems that only we Democrats can solve and then the solutions we offer for them.

Young voters are very worried about the environment and rightly so. Republicans are offering no solutions, not even good ideas, not even honest information about the environment.

The temperatures in Los Angeles have been above 100, around 111 for about three days. That's a real issue that Democrats can talk about and regarding which Democrats can propose action.

That's where we need to spend our time and energy -- on proposing solutions to real problems.

[xmas74]

198. But she's still defended, even here.

She needs to be called out regularly.

[Gothmog]

200. Agree-We have lost the 2000 and the 2016 elections due to Sarandon

That is enough

[xmas74]

203. I don't understand posters who want us

To play nice with the SS/Stein voters or even the Millenials who've threatened to take their ball and go home.

We need to look at our mistakes and correct them. We then need to write off the third party voters and focus on those who've never voted, nearly half, and focus on Gen Z. Politics is branding. If the brand is trustworthy they'll stick with it through thick and thin, like a favorite peanut butter brand or tampons. It's time to develop brand loyalty with a future generation.

[Raine]

92. Hi there

[chwaliszewski]

15. +1

[still_one]

16. Sarandon is a divisive, polarizing figure, who brings NOTHING to the table except how to LOSE!!!

She knows damn well the animosity she has generated, not only from her disgraceful behavior in 2016, when she very PUBLICALLY did everything to encourage people NOT to vote for the Democratic nominee.

She pulled the same bullshit in 2000.

NO, SHE DOES NOT GET THE PRIVLEGE THAT ALL IS FORGIVEN FOR HER LIES, DECEIPTION, and MISREPRESENTATION of the DEMOCRATIC nominee in 2016. SHE IS NOT FORGIVEN

IF SHE WOULD KEEP HER F**KING FACE OUT OF THE PUBLIC LIGHT, AND STOP HER PUBLICITY GRANDSTANDING, AS THOUGH SHE BELIEVES SHE IS SOME SELF-APPOINTED PROPHET TO DELIVER "MESSAGE OF THE LORD", every opprotunity she has, no one would even think about twice about her.

but she won't do that, even though that would be for the better good, because she is so full of herself, arrogant, and doesn't care if people like trump get elected, if in her TWISTED LOGIC it somehow furthers HER ideological puritanical cause, REGARDLES OF HOW MANY PEOPLE GET HURT IN THE PROCESS.

There is a lot of justified animosity and hate BY DEMOCRATS toward her, and it is WELL deserved.

So I will say to her what she said to those WHO VOTED FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE, and I say it to her with EXTREME PREDJUDICE toward her:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1280104210

[betsuni]

17. +1

[brer cat]

21. +1 nt

[Cha]

26. Well Fuck You, Susan Sarandon.. Just FUCK you..

and the gd high horse you rode in on, Lying Twit.

Brilliant Call Out, still_one! Thank You!

[sheshe2]

51. +++

[NurseJackie]

159. Amen!

[Cha]

22. Big Deal.. It's Sarandon's LIES that helped trump win

SS Supports 3rd Bullshit party LIES.

A Writer across the Pond is Calling Out SS on her SHIT and I found it worthy of posting.

[vi5]

30. How dare you be reasonable and forward-thinking?

Just kidding. Thank you for this.

[yardwork]

50. We need to make sure that this doesn't keep happening.

Shame is an effective weapon. Using shame against public figures who use their wealth and celebrity to undermine our democracy is not just reasonable. It's our obligation.

[Cha]

79. Well said, yardwork.

Thank You!

[yardwork]

85. Thank you, Cha!

[AtomicKitten]

63. +1

thanks

[Demsrule86]

127. No she doesn't support Democrats...I despise her. She encouraged people not to vote

for Clinton and voted for Stein which really means she voted for Trump...Fuck Sarandon. She did the same with Nader.

[aikoaiko]

132. She supported and supports Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

I accept her support. I hope all independents who have her concerns vote for the Democratic candidate.

The party faithful who are angry and bitter have to remember that there are lots of Democratic-leaning independent who think and feel like her.

When we trash Sarandon, we're trashing them even if they voted for HRC.

We win when we make left leaning independent voters feel welcome.

[Demsrule86]

147. Actually that is not a good thing in my opinion. I concluded that Ms. Cortez couldn't pick her

sponsors-so she seems OK...and I don't live in her district. Honestly, I would have voted for her opponent if I lived there in the primary as I despise both OR and Sarandon. If OR sponsors someone...I won't vote for them in a primary.

[Snackshack]

151. No it doesn't.

But some still need to apparently.

[Cha]

161. It's a well written article from Marina Hyde

at the Guardian.. exposing Sarandon's LIES.

SS and stein are going to do it again in 2020.. there are those that want to cover this up.. most of the people on here are not among them.

[TomCADem]

208. Sarandon Supports Democrats? Jill Stein is a Democrat?

Heck, just a few months ago, Sarandon was still arguing that we were better off under Trump than Clinton.

[lunamagica]

6. THanks for bringing this over, Cha, spot on!

That imbecile now wants to pretend she is a martyr for the cause? "It was worth it" PLEASE!!!! Like she's making any sacrifice and suffering!

Uggghh!

[Cha]

9. Gracias to you, Luna!

Precisely!

Like Marina Hyde writes..

In some ways, it’s the only thing Susan’s been right about. And yet, it is faintly difficult to conclude that her brand of vaguely-gestured-towards creative destruction is the sort of thing you get to say when you can afford to hang around waiting for the revolution in between starring in Ryan Murphy shows.

Thank You, Luna!

[Gothmog]

109. I saw this article and loved it

I am glad that you posted it

[BlueMTexpat]

7. Susan's whole approach to life

borders on the self-indulgent.

But she has topped even that self-indulgence with her behavior in 2016 and since.

[Cha]

12. sarandon does have a history of self-indulgence

as far as assisting in throwing our country to the wolves with her Lying and backing Liars.

As for Susan’s service, if only it weren’t so tireless. If only there had been some kind of learning curve for her, other than stuff like the fact she served as co-chair of the national steering committee for third party candidate Ralph Nader in 2000. Another tight election that worked out well, there. If only this doctoral student of absolutely everything was familiar with the famous observation Clement Attlee once made of Labour party chairman Harold Laski: “A period of silence on your part would be welcome.”

If only Nader hadn't been such a proficient Liar with his damn tweedle dum and tweedle dee accusations.. turns out Sarandon and Nader are the tweedle dums and tweedle dees.

Mahalo, BlueMTexpat!

[BlueMTexpat]

124. Mahalo, Cha!

Hang in there!

[betsuni]

8. "As for Susan's service, if only there had been some kind of learning curve for her..."

Nope! No learning for Susan. The last paragraph: women think who you buy your weed from is simply less important than the right to control our own bodies and keep hold of our children.

Come on, how hard could it be to learn something so obvious? Swallow your pride.

[Cha]

14. The weed quote was perfect in answer to this quote of Sarandon's before the election..

For now, let’s remind ourselves of her rather grand public letter to the Stein campaign a couple of weeks before the election, in which she foregrounded policies such as Stein’s pledge to legalise marijuana: “I’m therefore very happy to endorse Jill Stein for the presidency because she does stand for everything I believe in. Now that Trump is self-destructing, I feel even those in swing states have the opportunity to vote their conscience.”

And, yes.. most thought Hillary would win not knowing about the extent to which the Russians interfered with getting trump Rigged in. But as Marina Hyde writes.. Sarandon is unrepentant.. still considered "Hillary very very dangerous in 2017".

Who's dangerous now, Sarandon? And, I mean very very dangerous?

Still going on her sociopathic path that she was right about Hillary.. I'd say stein brainwashed her but Sarandon already got that done in 2000.

Thank You, betsuni

[Sophia4]

40. We need the votes of Jill Stein supporters just as we need some votes of Bernie supporters

and Trump supporters.

The focus needs to be on winning votes, not on fighting fights of past years.

We aren't living in 2016. We are living now in 2018, and the 2018 election should be our focus.

[Cha]

45. Then Fucking Jill Stein can stop telling her LIES in 2020.

Maybe she'll be ashamed of the SHIT she helped cause but I fucking doubt it

[Sophia4]

48. Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon criticize the Democratic Party.

There are lots of good ways to respond to criticism whether from them or someone else.

1. What Can I Learn from Criticism?

Most criticism is probably based, at least in part, on some truths. Criticism may appear negative. But, through criticism we have the opportunity to learn and improve from their suggestions.

2. Respond to the suggestions not the tone of the criticism.

The problem is that people may make valuable critical suggestions. However, there tone and style of criticism means that we respond not to the suggestions but remember there confrontational manner. In this respect we need to separate the criticism from the style of criticism. Even if people speak in a tone of anger, we should try to detach their emotion from the useful suggestions which lie underneath.

3. Value criticism.

The problems is that quite often, we only value praise. When people speak kind words we feel happy. When people criticise we feel miserable. However, if we only received insincere praise and false flattery, how would we ever make progress? If we wish to improve and develop we should invite constructive criticism and appreciate their suggestions.

4. Don’t take it personally.

This is often the biggest problem which occurs with regard to criticism. If I criticise my Mother’s cooking, she feels personally offended. But, it is a mistake to identify ourselves with an apple pie. Somebody may find good reasons why our cooking is bad; but, this does not mean they are criticising ourselves. When people criticise us directly, we should feel they are not criticising our real self; but, just an unillumined aspect of ourselves. When we criticise others, we are perhaps criticising their pride or jealousy; but, the jealousy is a mere passing emotion, it is not the real person.

. . . .

https://www.lifehack.org/articles/featured/7-effective-ways-to-deal-with-criticism.html

There are grains of truth in the criticism we all face in our lives. It's important to take criticism with an attitude of acceptance and a willingness to change what we need to change.

Getting angry at someone who is basically pretty close to on our side but angry at us and criticizing us is counterproductive. We need to respond positively to criticism. That ability can make the difference between success and failure in life. In the context of politics, it can make the difference between winning and losing.

President Obama is an example of a person who dealt well with criticism. I don't remember ever seeing him pout or fume away at someone for criticizing him. He fought back, but only in a positive way without getting mired in the personal attacks and pettiness that we now see in Trump.

Winners know how to deal with criticism. That is what I am saying. We all can learn a lot about responding to criticism. And goodness knows, the Democratic Party needs to respond well to criticism because there is no worse criticism than losing a presidential election to someone like Trump.

The focus needs to be on asking what we can learn from those who criticize the Democratic Party. Therein are the keys to winning future elections.

[Cha]

52. Yeah yeah yeah.. you're NOT going to shut down

discussion on calling out the LIARS who will do it again in 2020.

All you're doing is kicking this OP eloquently calling them out on their STUPID LIES.

[Sophia4]

60. I'm hoping to encourage harmony and focus on winning, not on the losing of 2016.

It is easy to get carried away by anger and frustration and in so doing, lose sight of the goal which is to build a better country and choose really good leaders.

All the rest, all the anger, is just pointless.

Successful people, successful political parties, don't get caught up in that emotional deadweight.

[Hekate]

89. "The anger is pointless"? Jesus. If you are not angry at the caging of little kids & the deliberate

...destruction of records about their parents, then there is no hope for you.

THIS was the result of the last election, and Sarandon STILL does not get it. I have no time for people like that.

[R B Garr]

118. Third party candidates certainly are not successful. Jill Stein

is an absolutely vile liar. I find it hard to take someone seriously if they promote a protest vote or make their campaign about undermining Democrats. Why keep blaming Democrats for the willful malice of others. Enough of this canard.

[mcar]

78. "Democrats are as bad as Republicans"

"There's no difference between the two parties."
"Hillary would be worse than Trump."

Please explain how that bunch of ignorant nonsense is criticism. It's nothing but lying smears.

[Sophia4]

130. I learn from those statements that we, Democrats, need to make a bigger effort to

make sure the public knows what we stand for and how we are different from the Republicans. No one, no American should be unable to say clearly how we Democrats are different from the Republicans.

Cooperation is important, but overemphasizing it has led to a lot of confusion in the voters.

That's what I learn from those statements.

It used to be very clear. Democrats were on the side of unions and working people. Republicans weren't. A lot of people are not so clear on that today including some Democrats,

[mcar]

133. I learn from those statements that anyone who thinks there's no difference between the 2 parties

is either too selfish or too ill-informed to bother with.

[Sophia4]

134. It is our job to inform the ill-informed.

That is what a political party is about.

Just whining, criticizing and hating won't get us anywhere. We have to be able to explain and persuade those who disagree or criticize us to understand us, to join us and to work with us to improve our country.

My dad used to say that when someone is very critical of someone else in a mean way and points to the fault in someone else, that is probably the very fault the person doing the pointing has him/herself.

And it is true. Trump is a prime example of someone who sees in others the faults he has in himself.

We are better than that. We can look our own faults in the eye and try to improve ourselves. Self-criticism is a tool for improvement. Criticism of others is only useful because it points to things in ourselves that we need to improve.

[R B Garr]

138. Yet I remember the exact opposite in some of your earlier

sentiments. “Very critical of someone else in a mean way” —maybe you can share what you have learned about the vicious attacks on Hillary.

Speaking of ill-informed—this repetitive denial of the malicious attempts to undermine Democrats turns what you are saying around on the speaker. You should consider what your father said about the constant attempts to undermine Democrats. That is the “ill-informed” that needs to be called out.

Constantly implying Democrats are not good enough is a selfish diversion, Sarandon and Stein being obvious proof of that. Saying Trump and Hillary are the same is being massively misinformed or downright malicious. Both should be called out for what they are.

[Demsrule86]

128. What can I learn from this criticism...hmm. Stein is a Russian fucking spy and sat at Putin's table

in Russia...my hope is she wears orange and goes to club fed...and Saradon helped elect Trump. Fuck both Sarandon and Stein...and there is no value in their 'criticism' which helped give us Trump. Fuck both of them ( I love saying that) They deserve nothing from us except scorn. The courts, the damage to the environment...and baby jails are their legacy as much as Trump's... and much more than this too before it is over...they said Clinton and Trump were the same...the parties were the same...damn liars. I despise them.

[mcar]

136. Well said!

[Demsrule86]

146. Thanks Mcar!

[R B Garr]

173. This is all a trivialized smokescreen. This is not what happened,

It wasn’t “criticism” of the Democratic party. It was a hostile attempt to deny Hillary the White House helped along by dark money from Russian oligarchs. Maybe you could share what the vicious attacks on Hillary accomplished. Have you called out the groups who organized against her? What have you learned about how the GOP used those groups to get Trump in office.

[Sophia4]

131. Democrats had to give Jill Stein voters a reason to vote for her.

Poliltics is cruel and unforgiving.

We Democrats have to make our case so strongly that we cannot lose.

What did Jill Stein offer that Hillary did not?

That's the question we need to ask so that we can win next time. What can we do better?

Not, why is this or that person so bad, so evil.

We can't change Susan Sarandon, but we can change ourselves and our party. There are a couple of videos on DU by Robert Reich that are really worth watching in this regard.

We have to change ourselves. That is always the rule. We always have to be willing to learn and not blame others no matter how bad we think they are.

[Cha]

140. Stein FUCKING LIED TO GET HER VOTES.. DEMS TELL

the Truth.

SS did everything she could to help elect trump.. they OWN a BIG CHUNCK of trump.

[R B Garr]

143. Maybe you could critique the results of actively working against

our Democratic candidate. Your turn for the self-analyzing. What kind of malicious disinformation was spread about Hillary/Democrats? Did you know iof anyone or any groups spreading those lies? How has helping Trump achieved those goals. How will you change? Please explain what you have learned and how it changed you. Thanks.

[BlueSea]

10. I agree, but let's reserve our energies for the bigger fight

Sarandon is a traitor and deserves all of the shit being thrown at her...plus more, but let's move on and channel our energies to deconstructing the GOP's plan to continue the subversion of America.

I get it, I can't stand her either, but she's dirt to me, dirt to us and we need to keep looking forward.

[ucrdem]

18. The problem is that Sarandon doesn't see the problem.

And there are plenty like her who are equally clueless. Several used to post here but thankfully they have their own perch to foul now. So it's instructive to point out how she f'ed up bigtime now and then.

Incidentally I'm glad she got herself arrested whatever her past mistakes and hope it does some good. I also protested on Saturday for what it's worth and was surprised to see several hundred enthusiastic neighbors also out there in the hot sun for a good hour at least.

p.s. welcome!

[Cha]

20. I hear you, BlueSea.. but multi-tasking is what I do..

It's important for me to get articles out.. like in this case, written by Marina Hyde, at The Guardian.. across the Pond.

And, GOTV!

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

129. No, let's not...she has done this before...she can get arrested 100 times it won't matter....she

helped what she now protest against...same with United...when she trashed Gore.

[Recursion]

19. A reminder that the woman in this photo is Dr. Jill Stein

Greenies love getting Republicans elected, and love that sweet, sweet Russian money.

[Cha]

31. I'll never forget it, Recursion, but

Thank You!

[VOX]

41. Every damn time I see that mind-shattering photo...

I think the same thought: “What more evidence do you possibly need before you finally grasp that these are NOT nice people? In fact they’re trying hard to destroy all of us. And that includes you.”

[Cha]

186. stein swears(lies) it was all very innocent..

she was being thanked for participating in Russian TV.

[Gothmog]

183. Stein was a tool of the Russians and Putin

[oasis]

25. Sarandon's big promotion of Ralph Nader in 2000, gave Bush a boost

into the White House, where he, Cheney and PNAC promptly went to work on the invasion of Iraq.

Unapologetic, "Self serving" Susan has the nerve to say Hillary would've got is in a war.

Stay on her case Cha, don't be deterred.

Thanks in advance

[Cha]

32. Thanks, oasis.. I ran across this article in a favorite

twitter feed where people don't take kindly to stein and Sarandon LIES.

A fresh look from across the Pond. Those who are in denial about this.. do Not bother me a bit.

That was SS' go to.. but but but Hillary=War She didn't have a fucking clue.. not one. She sure could GasLight, though.

Yes, SS has bush/cheney's War on Iraq on her back, too.

[lapucelle]

28. Maybe SS can donate some of her used cashmere

to the immigrant children freezing in the detention iceboxes.

Mahalo, my friend!!!



https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/02/28/freezer/abusive-conditions-women-and-children-us-immigration-holding-cells

Link to tweet

[Cha]

35. Yes fat cat SS sits on her Millions while

the world is falling apart.. thanks to her and stein assisting the Russians and the other enablers getting trump rigged in.

Thank You, lapucelle

Link to tweet

They're going to do it again in 2020.

[Hortensis]

29. "I'm therefore very happy to endorse Jill Stein for the presidency

because she does stand for everything I believe in." ~ Sarandon

Hard to believe anyone could say that, but she did.

Sarandon's repeated actions show clearly enough that she's just wired to be a whackadoodle, currently left wing version though those can migrate, doomed to be one of the people who can be fooled all the time.

Before too many more years pass she'll make a statement and no one will bother to hear. Until then...

[Cha]

38. I hope not as many will

listen to her LIES in 2020.

I thought this was an especially interesting analysis from someone who's been paying attention from across the Pond.

Thank You, Hortensis

[Hortensis]

44. I just wonder who IS vulnerable to her lies

themselves -- their actual numbers. Of course her comments are weaponized against Democrats by the right and amplified by Russia, which gets them spread out of the fringe.

But those who believe? Her type of dwellers in fact-free worlds tend to be so volatile they may swing left this year, far right another, often both depending on the issue or current mood swirling through their miasma. Of course those types are going to be thrilled with anyone who can get them in the news, but how many even pull themselves together enough to vote?

But agree viewpoint from abroad was interesting, thanks.

[Me.]

33. KR

[Cha]

46. Mahalo, Me.

[Me.]

54. Anytime

especially for such an excellent thread

[mcar]

34. Was she still yelling at D Huerta while she got arrested?

Fcking hypocrite.

[Cha]

55. SS is soused in the

koolaid.

Link to tweet

Content with the burning of America to satisfy her lust for "revolution" while kids and babies are in cages, people loosing their health care, and a real SCOTUS scare for a generation.. Fascism taking over our Country! It doesn't get anymore self-centered than that.

[mcar]

56. It's all show for her

I do not believe she really cares about these children, or anyone's children.

[UTUSN]

36. K&R

[GaryCnf]

47. Of course, back before the election

Back when folks weren't grasping at every straw on the floor of an empty barn to divert attention from a campaign that drove our party right up to the edge of the cliff, Ms. Hyde spoke more honestly about whether Sarandon's position had any effect whatsoever on the election.

So I am amused by a headline in Newsweek reading: “Susan Sarandon’s endorsement of Dr Jill Stein only helps Trump.” Only helps Hillary, surely?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2016/nov/03/susan-sarandon-the-celebrity-endorsement-to-shift-the-polls

[Hekate]

49. KnR

[MattP]

53. Isn't that her voice on the Bayer/ Monsanto ads?

[Jakes Progress]

115. And voted "green"? She is a hypocrite.

All for the people and the environment - unless there is a buck to be made.

Very stupid. Very disliked by those who have worked with her and even more by those that have worked for her.

[Wwcd]

57. From here on, ANYONE standing next to SS, smiling in approval, is suspect.

If any candidate, politician aligns with SS, gives voice to her anti-democracy/ Pro-fascist Trump message, then they too are as big a liar & fraud to the needs of human rights as Sarandon is.

You join against Trump by refusing Sarandon, by not standing for a photo op, by telling SS she is NOT what you represent.
Stand by the talk you talk.

Call her what she is, a fraud, a liar, & then proudly walk with those who stand for what your do.

#NoFakeSarandon

[melman]

58. Oh that's too subtle

Please tell us who you're talking about. Say the name.

[George II]

62. I agree. Sure, 2016 is in the past, but this is 2018 and she hasn't gone away.

[Cha]

66. Yay it's unanimous.. 2016 is

in the past! lol

But, as you say, George.. SS is doubling down and sticking herself out there.. and as the writer so eloquently points out.. SS can protest all she wants but she in effect works for trump and it will be called out.

[Cha]

64. Yeah, SS is persona non grata with

so many in our country and this eloquent writer is in England. Anyone would be foolish to latch onto one of the big reasons we have trump becasause of the poisonous 3rd party LIES.

"Green" my Democratic

Wwcd

[R B Garr]

65. Agreed. Actions have consequences and Sarandon has

made it obvious she doesn’t care about humanity if they interfere with her fantasy world. This isn’t a movie. It’s real life. She has hurt people. She is despicable.

[Cha]

68. Thank You for pointing that out, RB..

SS has hurt a lot of people with her LIES.. which gets brushed aside by those trying to defend her.

She's unrepentant and will do it again in 2020.

[Hortensis]

91. As said. This is real life and she's hurt many people

very badly, with much more hurt to come before we are able to turn this around.

I don't believe she can recognize and accept her responsibility, though, or she wouldn't have behaved as she did.

Sarandon, wholly agree, “A period of silence on your part would be welcome.” A long period.

[R B Garr]

67. Thanks for this thread, Cha!

We need to remind people what a self-centered hypocrite Sarandon is. TWICE now. I’d like to hear her tell us how we are are better off without Bill C’s surplus handed off to Al Gore.

[NastyRiffraff]

69. GREAT article, absolutely on point

I love this part:

Still, if onlys aren’t going to butter many parsnips. Sometimes direct action is called for. So here goes. Susan! If you can’t face up to the fact you dropped a bollock, please don’t expect to be lionised for protesting things not-unrelated to decisions you still believe were unimpeachable. In fact, please expect to be used for it – by the enemy. Until you come to some sort of personal and public reckoning with the sillier shit you’ve said, in effect you work for HIM. You are a MAGA asset. Every piece of showbiz posturing offers his base another chance to internalise the idea of ludicrous liberal arrogance, embodied in someone who – for all her theoretical pretensions – is really operating at the same analytical level as “but her emails”.

Thanks for posting this, Cha

[Cha]

72. Exactly on Point.. I like the way Marina

Hyde so eloquently wove those words together. She had some serious excellent points.

I really liked that paragraph, too.. Thank You for bringing it over, Riff!

Damn.. I should have brought that into the OP.. I see that now!

"Until you come to some sort of personal and public reckoning with the sillier shit you’ve said, in effect you work for HIM. You are a MAGA asset"

Yeah, nothing's changed since she told all those LIES.. and nothing will change unless she retracts. Sarandon is getting her reckoning.

[George II]

75. Here's an interesting quote, from 8 months ago:

“I did think she was very, very dangerous. We would still be fracking, we would be at war [if she was president]. It wouldn’t be much smoother. Look what happened under Obama that we didn’t notice.”

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/26/susan-sarandon-i-thought-hillary-was-very-dangerous-if-shed-won-wed-be-at-war

[Cha]

82. Ah.. funny you should find that one..

the writer in the OP refers to that quote!

".. be one of the last remaining persons to still deny they got anything wrong AT ALL. Only a few months ago, Susan was explaining to this newspaper that had Hillary been elected: “We would still be fracking, we would be at war. It wouldn’t be much smoother. Look what happened under Obama that we didn’t notice.” As she concluded of Hillary: “I did think she was very, very dangerous.”

"Look what happened under Obama that we didn't notice".. yeah SS doesn't Notice a lot.. like her ilk staying home during midterms "to teach President Obama a lesson".. so he had to do much of the work alone without help in Congress. They wanted him to be the Magic Man.

Damn her Gaslighting idiocy.

[Hav]

80. She's a deplorable idiot causing harm with her idiocy

Don't know what's more annoying. Her stupidity or her apologists here just because she supported a certain candidate in 2016.

[Cha]

97. Sarandon is all about Sarandon.

Link to tweet

Hav

[JHan]

87. I'm here for this.

Some may call it petty ( I'M ALL FOR PETTY) and I'm tired of her but this is a brilliant piece.

[Cha]

101. Yes, it is a brilliant piece, JHan..

from across the Pond. They see what's going on over here.. it's universal.

Link to tweet

Thank You!

[ismnotwasm]

100. Yup. There is no redemption for her shit.

[Cha]

116. SS and stein have no remorse that

they are partly responsible for destroying lives.

Mahalo, ism

[MadDAsHell]

103. I've never liked being the "party of Hollywood" and this is why.

It’s great to rub the Hollywood endorsement bottle until they change their minds; then you’re fucked, you can’t put the genie back in the bottle.

[Cha]

121. No, I won't broadbrush this way, MDAH

I look at each person on their merit. George Clooney is a compassionate, intelligent man who doesn't feel the need to lie. And, there are many more like him. It's the person in my estimation.. not what they do for a living.

The rwingers like to smear "Hollywood" but that's just because Hollywood doesn't like their perverted politics.

[Gothmog]

104. From the article cited in the OP

I love the article cited in the OP. From that article ttps://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2018/jul/05/protest-all-you-like-susan-sarandon-in-effect-you-work-for-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw

As indicated, Susan appears to have had zero moments of self-doubt since the election. She seems to yield to self-reflection about as much as Tony Blair, another individual unshakeably convinced of his own moral rectitude (see also Jeremy Corbyn), who will doubtless go to his grave thinking history will judge him right to have invaded Iraq with an aftercare plan slightly less comprehensive than that you’d get if you purchased a houseplant. “If you think it’s pragmatic to shore up the status quo right now,” Susan explained loftily before the 2016 election, “then you’re not in touch with the status quo.” Strong words – and yet, spoken not entirely like someone who’d been wandering the Appalachians in search of a clue for the past two years.

As far as perspectives go, hers appears not even to have been altered by the prospect of Donald Trump preparing to appoint his SECOND justice to the supreme court, in a decision likely to place various settled rights for immigrants and minorities, and Roe v Wade, right back on the table.

Donald Trump! Possibly a Russian asset, definitely a massive and monstrous arsehole, to say nothing of being the obvious purchaser of around 987 abortions down his years of what he described as “my personal Vietnam” – trying not to catch STDs as he screwed his way round Manhattan. He couldn’t make actual Vietnam, you’ll recall, owing to something called heel spurs. Incredible, really, that he’s yet to tweet about how fewer US servicemen would have died at Khe Sanh if he’d been there, and not detained by his urgent need to hump a model. As always, it is our place to simply thank him for his service.

As for Susan’s service, if only it weren’t so tireless. If only there had been some kind of learning curve for her, other than stuff like the fact she served as co-chair of the national steering committee for third party candidate Ralph Nader in 2000. Another tight election that worked out well, there. If only this doctoral student of absolutely everything was familiar with the famous observation Clement Attlee once made of Labour party chairman Harold Laski: “A period of silence on your part would be welcome."

[Scurrilous]

119. K&R

[Cha]

139. Mahalo, Scurrilous!

[Scurrilous]

142. ...

[Cha]

145. ..

[betsuni]

125. Reminds me of this from the novel, "The Secret History":

"Though I had a confused idea that my dissatisfaction was bohemian, vaguely Marxist in origin (when I was a teenager I made a fatuous show of socialism, mainly to irritate my father), I couldn't really begin to understand it; and I would have been angry if someone had suggested that it was due to a strong Puritan streak in my nature, which was in fact the case. Not long ago I found this passage in an old notebook, written when I was eighteen or so. 'There is to me about this place a smell of rot, the smell of rot that ripe fruit makes. Nowhere, ever, have the hideous mechanics of birth and copulation and death -- those monstrous upheaval of life that the Greeks call miasma, defilement -- been so brutal or been painted up to look so pretty, have so many people put so much faith in lies and mutability and death death death.' This, I think, is pretty rough stuff. From the sound of it, had I stayed in California, I might have ended up in a cult or at the very least practicing some weird dietary restriction. I remember reading about Pythagoras around this time, and finding some of his ideas curiously appealing -- wearing white garments, for instance, or abstaining from foods which have a soul."

[Gothmog]

148. The voters who listened to Sarandon or Stein should be feeling very happy now

[Cha]

149. Thank You for that timely 'toon, Goth!

Link to tweet

Stein and Sarandon LIED their DAMN FOOL heads OFF and they own a big CHUNK O the Fraud.

[Gothmog]

152. That cartoon really fits this thread

I am tired of stein voters trying to excuse their votes

[Cha]

157. stein voters are in Deep Denial if they're

trying to excuse stein and Sarandon.

Here's another stupid ass bullshit, propagandist of their ilk..

Link to tweet

[Cha]

158. P.S. "I was right about Cenk and Sirota"

Link to tweet

Dana Houle

[Gothmog]

182. I stopped watching TYT and Cenk a long time ago

Cenk is an idiot

[Cha]

184. First of all.. RatFucker cenk was/is a

President Obama hater/gaslighter so he's been on my shite list forever! He's in it for $$$$$$$ that's it.

[Gothmog]

185. Agreed

I know that TYT is popular on JPR but I do not trust Cenk or TYT

[George II]

150. Bazinga!

[pansypoo53219]

153. i am SO glad i do not need tylenol anymore. sinus headache- snortsome pepper + SNEEZE.

[Cha]

172. Did SS hawk tylenol? I haven't

had a tv for years.

So that's your homegrown for sinus.. the snorting of pepper and sneezing, pansypoo? Sounds good!

[mcar]

179. I get the generic

It's the only thing I can take, unfortunately, but I won't support Tylenol.

[oasis]

160. theguardian says Sarandon's a "MAGA asset". They're being nice.

Susan's a "mega asshole" before she's anything else.

[heaven05]

163. this!!!!!!

and for Sarandon

[Cha]

164. Thank you, Heaven.. yeah, DU isn't that

frigging impressed with Feckless Liar, SS.

Link to tweet

[JCanete]

171. That doesn't make any sense. When she is out there protesting Trump policies she is certainly not

working for Trump. In fact, there is nothing in here to suggest that her doing this IS working for Trump, only that during the elections she denigrated Clinton and went 3rd party. None of that has anything to do with her current protests, nor do her current protests at all support the argument being made.

Have whatever beef with her you choose to have, but at least make a case that somehow what she is doing in this moment is in support of Trump and his policies. Otherwise the statement is silly.

[mcar]

180. She's protesting policies she helped put into place

with her lying nonsense during the GE.

Do you think HRC is worse than Dotard? SS does.

[JCanete]

181. Okay, so say anything you want to because you don't like her and you believe her actions helped to

get Trump elected? It is an entirely separate debate, and a fair argument to make that Sarandon's refusal to so support the democratic party was detrimental to Clinton's campaign, but making shit up about her working for Trump as she protests his policies? Does that make any bloody sense to you? In what way is she currently working for Trump? In what way is she furthering his agenda with her actions at this moment?

I find it just a little bit embarrassing that we can't stick to some semblance of facts. I've previously thought this was a distinction I could easily make between democrats and republicans, and while the chasm between us is still typically vast, human nature it seems, is human nature. You've got to be a white hat or a black hat and there's no room for nuance, or for that matter, circumspection, once you've put somebody in the black hat category.

[Cha]

196. Thanks, mcar.. yeah, SS is out there Protesting

the Shit she wanted.

SS is not going to be let off the hook because now she's protesting as babies have been put in cages, people are loosing their health care, and a SC is going to be anti-choice for a long long time.

[Gothmog]

187. Sarandon is the reason why trump is POTUS and get to tell her we told her so

Link to tweet

[JCanete]

189. to be fair, she thought that Trump would energize people in opposition to bad government and

policy...wake them up and energize a revolution, and to some extent there are signs of that, although the verdict is still out and people will absolutely suffer in the interim and there's no guarantee that even when we do push back against Trump and the GOP that we won't just stop in the same place we were anyway...and that's assuming that we don't lose...

so yeah, I think it was risky to think this would end up in a truly awake electorate, and it has certainly rallied the willfully asleep behind our idiot leader, and I do weep for the Supreme Court of decades to come.

[Gothmog]

191. She also sad something similar after she help Nader elect Bush

This lady is an idiot. First she supported Nader and helped to elect W. Now she helped to elect Trump. We get to tell this idiot

I TOLD YOU SO

[Cha]

201. Perfect of Example of how Stupidly Brainwashed SS is.

Link to tweet

Mahalo, Goth!

[Gothmog]

212. Just kidding, she doesn't care

Link to tweet

[Jamaal510]

175. K&R

[Gothmog]

177. The voice of a trump supporter

Link to tweet

[Cha]

204. This is another perfect example of Feckless SS'

depth of delusion.

I passed it on and gave you credit here, Goth..

Mahalo!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10848766

[Mc Mike]

193. I think it's possible to love Susan, Deb Wasserman Schultz, and Dolores Huerta, all at the same time

Not going to fight about it, just how I feel.

[Cha]

195. Yeah, "love" someone who LIED her damn head OFF to RF the 2016 election

and get us in this Hell HOLE we're in.

Link to tweet

Stupid twit.

[Mc Mike]

197. I like your take politically, too, for the most part.

I backed Bernie in the primary. Backed Hillary in the final. She was hands down the most experienced candidate we ever ran. And she won 3 million more votes.

I disliked the optics of Susan hovering over Dolores, trying to get her to switch over to Bernie. I disliked Deb W S putting her thumb on the scale in the primary. I understood Deb and Dolores having their own opinion, though it differed from mine. So did Sam Bee, Broad City, Barb Boxer, a lot of people I respect.

I loved Susan's take on things in her career, from 'The Front Page' to 'Valley of Elah'. She was wrong to oppose Clinton in the final, Bernie didn't.

I still love Susan, and those other ladies. And still don't want to fight about it.

[Cha]

199. SS is a delusional RF and I'm glad so many People

see if not stopped she'll be RFing again in 2020.

SS is a Stupid Fuck.

[Lady_Chat]

206. +1 I wonder how Sarandon sleeps at night knowing those kids are in cages

separated from their parents. Does she actually believe Hillary would have done this to children? Did she really believe Trump would pick anyone but a rock solid conservative for the SC? She makes me sick.

[Cha]

207. Mahalo, Lady_Chat.. stein and sarandon have their cozy

cushions.. they don't care about anyone else.

[Gothmog]

202. Sarandon and Stein must be really pleased with this

[Cha]

214. And this.. even though, she was FAKE protesting..

Link to tweet

Mahalo for finding this tweet, Goth.. it's stunningly true.. Kolley Kibber reminds us that trump told everyone who he was before the election but SS chose to let her brainwashed Hillary hate keep spreading her LIES.

[Gothmog]

209. As toxic virus spreads to Supreme Court, investigators inch closer to identifying Patient 0.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

210. Shame on Stein & Sarandon's Vacuous LIES.

In their obsessive brainwashed Hillary HATE.. they helped bring down a country.. their own.

Thank you for that tweet, Goth

[Gothmog]

211. Agreed

:large

[Cha]

213. SS was projecting when she accused Debra

Messing of being trumpian and misinformed.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/02/susan-sarandon-debra-messing-feud-trumpian-wwhl/

SS is not only misinformed she's dangerously stupid.

Mahalo, Goth