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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 10:17 AM Jul 2018

Article About "Denaturalizing" US Citizens Alarming.

I cannot find the article right now. But while surveying some web sites I saw a headline about the administration looking into "denaturalizing" US citizens who were not born here but went through the process of becoming citizens. I would imagine certain groups would be targeted.

If it is true, we are seeing so many unprecedented actions and plans it makes your head swim. Politically things seem to get darker every day.

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Article About "Denaturalizing" US Citizens Alarming. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Jul 2018 OP
New Yorker article on this in June... GetRidOfThem Jul 2018 #1
Here's one: Girard442 Jul 2018 #2
Would a porn star skank from Slovenia be on the target list? Greybnk48 Jul 2018 #3
Actually, she could be. Girard442 Jul 2018 #5
On the list right after Rupert Murdoch. nt Snotcicles Jul 2018 #8
Thanks For The Link. It Is Just Really Beyond Alarming That This Policy Could Be Pursued. TheMastersNemesis Jul 2018 #4
Can this be challenged at all? Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #9
Not surprised. awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #6
I Guess You Could Be Here Naturalized For Decades And Be Be Deported. TheMastersNemesis Jul 2018 #7
Trump will find out that he can't do that through an Executive Order. MineralMan Jul 2018 #10
Really hope you're right. Break the law and make it stick Hortensis Jul 2018 #14
True. TomSlick Jul 2018 #15
Denaturalizing U.S. citizens people Jul 2018 #11
They are pure evil. smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #12
Well as much as I love England, I had not planned on dying there. pennylane100 Jul 2018 #13

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
10. Trump will find out that he can't do that through an Executive Order.
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 10:53 AM
Jul 2018

Even as, on July 4, there were naturalization ceremonies in many cities in the US, each of those people became a real U.S. citizen upon swearing that oath. Trump might be able to shove non-citizens out the door as soon as they arrive, but it's a much more difficult process to denaturalize existing citizens.

The process, when it occurs, often takes years in court before a person loses citizenship status, and that's rare. Very rare. Naturalized citizens are, in fact, citizens, and any lawyer with any skills at all can tie up the process for years if an attempt is made to denaturalize any of them.

The limited number of courts with such jurisdiction and the limited number of federal government prosecutors available to bring such cases is the primary reason that no such effort will succeed. First the government must present very convincing evidence that fraud was involved in the original naturalization process. That's a high bar, since that process, itself, takes a long time and a good deal of documentation. The reality is that a very, very small percentage of naturalizations are fraudulent.

With regard to all that, Donwald Drumpf is talking out of his ass on this matter.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Really hope you're right. Break the law and make it stick
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jul 2018

later is emerging as a Trump method, though. Arresting and kidnapping the children of people claiming refugee status broke or ignored a number of laws, but he did it anyway.

Look how they're ignoring agreements with foreign born people serving in our military, just tossing them out.

Small lies, mistakes, and inaccuracies on application forms that would have meant little in the past sound all too useful as pretexts to arrest and quickly deport citizens as faits accompli.

This technique has been extensively used during successful "strong man" authoritarian takeovers in other nations. And the most common excuse used then and here "national security."

people

(624 posts)
11. Denaturalizing U.S. citizens
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 11:23 AM
Jul 2018

He has already gotten away with so much more than I ever would have thought possible. Things he said on the campaign trail that I thought were just words to play to his base are now actual policies - some worse than anything I could have EVER imagined - tearing babies from their mothers. It's despicable. Republicans can change laws and they are pulling away people's rights as fast as they can. It is a little like Hitler when Hitler was beginning except the target here is primarily brown people from south of our border. They want the U.S. all "white" again and will, apparently, do all they can to pull this off. It is shameful and awful.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
12. They are pure evil.
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 11:31 AM
Jul 2018

This is just such a cruel thing to even propose. Why? Will this apply to European naturalized citizens as well, or only people with darker skin? I can't believe what this country is turning into.

pennylane100

(3,425 posts)
13. Well as much as I love England, I had not planned on dying there.
Fri Jul 6, 2018, 11:56 AM
Jul 2018

On the bright side, I could claim my British penion and get free health care. I might even qualify for a subsidized council flat.

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