OK, so when will someone will say it publicly???

[TNNurse]

They did not have a plan to reunite immigrant families because they never intended for that to happen.

They keep blathering about where is there plan...there never was one.

[spanone]

1. I doubt they are working on one.

[Solly Mack]

2. I don't think they ever intended to give the kids back either.

Seems obvious to me.

[pnwmom]

45. They still don't. Gov. Inslee said they told the governors that even a foster parent

would be considered family reunification.

[Solly Mack]

57. I heard about that on the news. Unreal and too real.

[DURHAM D]

3. I have assumed from the beginning that the

strategic plan is to sell them for slave labor and/or sex trafficking.

[anarch]

16. or perpetual, for-profit incarceration

since that's "legal," and I'm fairly sure several cabinet-level officials and/or their relatives have ties to that business.

[Silver Gaia]

37. THIS. Sadly, this...

[malaise]

51. Ditto

[Dale Neiburg]

56. If they're sold for sex trafficking....

Anyone believe that the Trump family won't get a cut of the cash?

[FakeNoose]

58. We need to ask Jeff Sessions about that

He can't recuse himself from this either.

[NY_20th]

4. There never was a plan, and this was done intentionally.

I'm very disappointed that the media won't state this truth.

[HipChick]

5. they don't see them as humans..

just bad PR...

[renate]

14. That's what I think too

They simply did not care.

That’s my best hope, anyway... I can’t bear the thought that it was a deliberate attempt by the United States government to collect helpless children for nefarious purposes. I really hope things haven’t gotten that corrupt.

But a year ago I still wouldn’t have believed today’s headlines... I’m usually an optimist. So I’m willing to consider the possibility that I’m wrong.

[Different Drummer]

6. There never was a plan. Probably never will be one. n/t

[mopinko]

7. i think there were plans.

despicable, sick plans.

[BigmanPigman]

8. Three weeks ago they admitted there was no plan,

never was a plan nor a plan to have a plan! Their goal was and still is to break up families of brown people so the white people will be "winning". Stephen Miller has been doing this for OVER ONE YEAR!

ONE YEAR in the making. Tent cities for would be immigrants were in place over 12 months ago since THAT WAS AND STILL IS their supreme goal...NO IMMIGRATION STATUS FOR BROWN PEOPLE! The contracts, locations, staff, money allocated, etc have been preparing for their zero tolerance policy for over 12 months, and you think that they will be willing to demolish all of their evil planning due to the order of a single judge who wasn't appointed by Hitler (oops, I mean Dear Leader tRump)? NO WAY!

They have no plan, will not get a plan, and will lie, lie, lie and delay, delay, delay as long as we allow them to. Be prepared for more of this BS from the NEO NAZI, DEAD EYES STEPHEN MILLER! This is his life's dream. We must RESIST their xenophobic goals constantly, consistently and loudly.

[TNNurse]

10. Are those awful people who support him and this good with paying for their upkeep??

Or are they good with starving and killing them???

[Squinch]

9. But even if you put yourself in their mindset (I know. Horrible thought.) that makes absolutely

no sense.

They hate those beautiful little kids and they don't want them in the US.

So they steal them and hide them away inside the foster system? Where they will have to be cared for and funded for the next 10 or 15 years?

What were they trying to accomplish?

There was no goal behind those kidnappings other than to inflict maximum psychic pain.

They are monsters.

[EffieBlack]

12. Exactly

The plan was to send a message.

Link to tweet

[eppur_se_muova]

46. The plan is to assimilate them into WASP families -- to make white men out of them.

Ask Native Americans; this is how some "Christians" want to "help" them. If they know nothing about their parents and the culture they came from -- MISSION ACCOMPLISHED !!

[Squinch]

47. Even that, I think, gives them more credit than they deserve. They have no thought to the

futures of these children. They have no plans for them, not even cruel and inhuman plans like what you describe. They don't even have enough regard for them to have gone that far.

[eppur_se_muova]

48. These fundies have all the inside contacts, and get the contracts --

You can bet they were pitching this idea even before 45 and Sessions instituted their "Zero Sympathy" policy:
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1016208982

[EffieBlack]

11. There was a plan. Taking children away from their parents WAS the plan.

They're not incompetent. They're evil.

[Hekate]

24. Bingo

[rzemanfl]

35. It's worse than just that. They are sending a message to citizens. Behave or we will take

your kids too.

[FakeNoose]

61. They're evil and also negligent

Complete failure to provide oversight is another form of evil.
It's the government's way of saying "I really just don't care. Do U?"

Any caretakers/foster families who have failed to provide these children with proper food, clothing, medical attention, etc. that they're BEING PAID to provide - these people already know there will be no consequences. They already know that they can do whatever the hell they please.

Any babies that aren't bathed, aren't fed, diapers not changed, covered in lice - so what? Nobody will ever know. The potential for child abuse is astounding.

[EffieBlack]

62. This isn't negligence - it's intentional.

Which is an even more egregious degree of evil.

[Hortensis]

13. MANY people worried about it publicly in many media.

You've apparently missed much concerned public discussion and statements by many Democratic AND also by Republican figures.

There are bigger atrocities in the works. The first is children of people whose temporary protected status may be revoked. The second refers to revoking citizenship of naturalized Americans. What happens to their children who are U.S. citizens?

Trump is set to separate more than 200,000 U.S.-born children from their parents
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2018/07/06/trump-is-set-to-separate-more-than-200000-u-s-born-children-from-their-parents/?utm_term=.c8848ffab250

In America, Naturalized Citizens No Longer Have an Assumption of Permanence
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/in-america-naturalized-citizens-no-longer-have-an-assumption-of-permanence

[Freddie]

15. Evangelicals also love to adopt "heathen" children

And "save" them.
Isn't Betsy DeVos involved in some kind of "Christian" adoption group?

[KT2000]

40. Yes! It becomes the in thing

for them. Not all the children survive those adoptions due to crazy discipline. They sometimes become the "problem" child compared to their birth children and live with abuse.

[lpbk2713]

17. The intent was to warehouse them and forget them.

And they weren't concerned about the conditions of the warehouse.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

28. K&R. Another tRump knee-jerk executive order....

to mark another election promise off his marker board to satisfy his lust for "wins". Compassion and human rights are never considered, just as they were not in Puerto Rico.

And, if he continues to have his way with his orders and with Congress, the misery for millions more is just beginning. Just as with these immigrants, the Puerto Ricans, fire victims in CA, people who have lost health insurance, etc. - they have little or no voice that will be heard.

...........

[lpbk2713]

29. It's just the beginning of the hurricane season ...

and already there is a Cat 1 (Beryl) headed in PRs general direction.
Their lives are nowhere near back to normal and if they get hit again
may God help them because Trump and his (R) buddies surely won't.

Link: https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/refresh/graphics_at2+shtml/233722.shtml?mltoa34#contents

[KY_EnviroGuy]

42. Yes, I see Beryl is taking shape and could hit VI or PR.

Flooding likely at least and that damn thing could wind up in the Gulf.

Bottom line is until we get this laissez-faire Ayn Rand-loving bunch out of government, we're going to be under constant stress over the treatment of those less fortunate. And, I fear that's not going to change significantly until big money is forced out of our political system - both from excessive lobbying and from their buying of elections.

Have a good weekend, lpbk2723!........

[WhiteTara]

18. These people are REFUGEES not migrants.

They aren't just out for a stroll and ended up here. They were running for their lives. We can't let them frame this issue, it's too important.

[smirkymonkey]

19. Our side needs to get out there and say it publicly, because they never will.

They are evil. I honestly think they would give the Third Reich a run for their money if they could get away with it.

[Dave Starsky]

20. There never was a plan. There couldn't be one.

It was obvious to anyone with a brain that there was no possible way you could keep track of all these kids, if you even cared to do it. It's just not possible.

The "missing" children have all been farmed out to human trafficking, because of course they can.

[Hekate]

22. It is absolutely possible to track human beings -- but you have to want to in the first place

[shanti]

65. They could've given the kids/parents wristbands

if their purpose was to reunite them easily. Facts prove this wasn't the case.

[Hekate]

21. There was no plan. It was and is all about inflicting as much pain as humanly possible...

...on the most vulnerable people on two continents.

[pecosbob]

23. Not having a plan

is part of the plan...

[Doodley]

25. There was no plan when Trump wanted to take health care away from 32m people.

No plan when other nations retaliated in a trade war. No plan for undermining the Iran nuclear deal. Morons don't do plans.

[Still In Wisconsin]

26. They have no desire or plan to find those kids. Their intent was maximum suffering.

The TRUMP plan is almost always that there is no plan. I think the only plan, in this case, was to inflict maximum suffering on those kids and parents. As a parent of three, I can attest that separating my wife and me from our girls would pretty much be the worst pain possible.

[Ferrets are Cool]

27. This is so scary....it begins to remind me of how Columbus "saw" the indigenous women and children

when he landed in the Americas...

"Columbus and his men also used the Taino as sex slaves: it was a common reward for Columbus' men for him to present them with local women to rape. As he began exporting Taino as slaves to other parts of the world, the sex-slave trade became an important part of the business, as Columbus wrote to a friend in 1500: "A hundred castellanoes (a Spanish coin) are as easily obtained for a woman as for a farm, and it is very general and there are plenty of dealers who go about looking for girls; those from nine to ten (years old) are now in demand."

We have NO idea how these children are being "handled" and if they are being sold into the sex trade. I put NOTHING past this son of a bitch who names himself pResident. It is scary and disgusting.

[Submariner]

30. OK, so when will someone will say it publicly???

After seeing this meme I thought you were going to say when will some government figure and/or mental health professional stand up and say that this racist wacko is "certifiably mentally unstable" and must be removed from office before his trip to see his pal Putin.



I feel sorry for the families, but there may be no families to worry about if this moron is not leashed soon.

[rickyhall]

31. Seems to me

Just few steps away from carbon monoxide vans, gas showers & the ovens. I will NOT be a "Good German"!

Roosevelt & Churchill only thought we destroyed Fascism.

[Amaryllis]

32. It has been said publically by an immigration lawyer- here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210783286
Immigration lawyer: "They have been planning this for over a year. Chaos is the goal."
THis statement from Jonathan Ryan, executive director of Raices, an organisation providing legal services to immigrants along the Texas border, is noteworthy:

“They have been planning this for over a year. Yet, from what we’ve seen, there appears to be no real plan to reunite children and their parents. Chaos is the goal.” So what is the purpose behind creating chaos? Other than that is plays right into Putin's agenda. What else are they up to?

US immigration
'All I hear is my daughter, crying': a Salvadoran father's plight after separation at border. Guardian US

Arnovis Guidos Portillo was deported from US but his six-year-old daughter remains in custody.

“Papa, when are you getting me out of here?” asks the small voice on the telephone.

Arnovis Guidos Portillo holds his mobile phone away from his face as he struggles to hold back tears, but his six-year old daughter, Meybelin, can still be heard on speakerphone, asking when she will be released from custody in an American detention centre.

Though he knows it’s a lie, he tells her that she can’t return to El Salvador because the US government’s plane is broken; the truth is that he has no idea what will become of her.

“They’re going to bring you home soon,” he says. “They haven’t fixed the plane.”

Portillo, 26, was separated from Meybelin in McAllen, Texas, on 27 May – over three weeks after the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, announced the Trump administration’s “zero-tolerance policy”, mandating children of undocumented migrants would be removed from their parents. Since then, 2,575 have been separated from their parents.

He has spoken to her three times since he was deported to El Salvador on Thursday, but he has no answers to her questions.

snip

On Saturday, he finally got an answer, when an American lawyer, Jonathan Ryan, called to tell him that Maybelin was being held in a shelter in Phoenix, Arizona, run by the Texas-based non-profit Southwest Key Programs.

Ryan is the executive director of Raices, an organisation providing legal services to immigrants along the Texas border, and he told Portillo they had taken up Maybelin’s case.

According to Ryan, US officials have become more willing to refuse migrants their right to apply for asylum. “The Trump administration has devolved much of the authority in these individual cases to officers who are handling them. It’s all totally uncoordinated – people on the ground are making it up as they go along,” he said.

“They have been planning this for over a year. Yet, from what we’ve seen, there appears to be no real plan to reunite children and their parents. Chaos is the goal.”

With little government help, advocates and attorneys have stepped in to fill the void. Raices has received more than $17m since the administration started separating children from their parents, and a host of other legal aid organisations have taken on some of the more than 2,300 cases.

MOre:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/24/all-i-hear-is-my-daughter-crying-salvadoran-father-yearns-to-see-his-child-again?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utm_term=279053&subid=20993289&CMP=GT_US_collection

[Mr.Bill]

33. They could execute these children

on the stage at a Trump rally and the crowd would cheer for it. I am not kidding.

[thucythucy]

34. The plan is in the same drawer as

the plan to provide hurricane relief to Puerto Rico, or safe drinking water to Flint.

[MurrayDelph]

36. Republicans NEVER think through the consequences of their actions

They are constantly underwear-gnoming their "big" plans:

1) Attack Iraq and depose Saddam Hussein. 2) ??? 3) Freedom!

1) We hate Al Qaeda, they hate Al Qaeda, so let's arm Isis. 2) ??? 3) Peace!

now,

1) Steal the children from refugees. 2) ??? 3) No immigration!

[EricJohnson]

38. They never had any intention of doing the right thing. They didn't and still don't care

what happens to these families. Trump is going to continue to be more and more horrendous and dare anyone to do anything about it. It's a typical plan by tyrants to normalize this behavior. He will push and push.

[Haggis for Breakfast]

39. My heart is broken

My soul is in Hell. We all allowed this to happen by not bringing this nation to a screeching halt when this first got started. We were all "concerned" and "worried" and watching to see how this would unfold. Who are we kidding here ? Nobody thought this was going to go anywhere except right where it is.

These children have been ripped from their parents' arms, screaming and terrified. We are talking about babies here. Some still breast-feeding. They were then put in cages like animals all over this country. Hidden away in warehouses, closed storefronts, abandoned buildings, and out of the way, off-the-grid places. Now there is talk of putting them on military bases where no one will be able to see, talk or monitor them or their living conditions.

Some children, as young as three, who may not even speak English, have been forced to testify in immigration courts in their own defense, as no counsel has been provided to them, standing before judges, forced to "explain themselves."

The children that have been reunited with their parents are shell-shocked. They are filthy, covered in lice, malnourished and fouled with their own excrement. Some are now fighting disease. Some are bruised. And no one is talking about the conditions or situations to which these children have been exposed.

If another country did this to American children, we'd be nuking them by noon, back to the pre-Cambrian era.

WHAT IN THE BLUE FUCK HAS HAPPENED TO THIS COUNTRY ????

Are we so numb, complacent, blinded that we can not see what is happening to the United States ?

It is NOT enough to "grab 'em by the midterms." We MUST take back our country RIGHT FUCKING NOW.

I have cried and screamed my way through the past two weeks. It been longer since I've had a decent night's.

I did NOT wear the uniform to watch my country turn into some regressive, medieval, brutal dictatorship, where the lives of innocent children mean nothing. What is going on right now is in direct opposition to EVERYTHING this country has stood for for over 200 years.

If you're not OUTRAGED, you're NOT breathing.

THIS IS NOT WHO WE ARE. BUT IT IS WHAT WE HAVE ALLOWED OURSELVES TO BECOME.

I wish I had the courage to kill myself right now, because I have lost all respect for myself. And for this nation.

Over and out.
***

[notdarkyet]

53. Me too. I have an overwhelming feeling, this is not a country i respect. We will have to fight

To be free.

[Baitball Blogger]

41. Trump made his usual knee-jerk executive decision in order to please his crowd.

He doesn't look at facts that would restrain a reasonable person. He doesn't know what existing infra-structure he has to work with or what legal or Constitutional considerations that might stand in the way.

Someone just whispers in his ear to tell him what his supporters want, and he delivers.

The good news is, that at this rate, there is not going to be a second season.

[calimary]

43. I've been saying that, but only while my husband and I are watching the news.

We both agree. They never bothered. They're in WAAAAAAAAAAY over their heads. They never thought things through. It didn't occur to them, for one thing. And for another thing, they ever thought they had to.

This isn't the teeny little trump organization that has only family members and a handful of simpering hangers-on involved. And even with that teeny weenie little company, the asshole produced five or six bankruptcies.

This gang that can't even shoot crooked has NO business in OUR White House, just completely aside from the fact that they didn't win it legitimately and have no legitimate right to be there in the first place. They don't know what to do, and don't know that they don't know! They don't even realize it!

[Beartracks]

44. Republicans don't do plans; they just do half-baked ideas...

... that are based on ignorance and fantasy.

==========

[eppur_se_muova]

49. You think there wasn't a plan ? DUgle devos foster adopt christian ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=devos+foster+adopt+christian&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

They're going to be fostered out to good, white, "Christian" families -- the "spare the rod and spoil the child" type.

[lark]

50. They admitted this at the beginning.

They said they had no plans for reunification, then walked that back and lied when hauled into court. Now they are lying again, I sincerely doubt they have put any effort into this above the most cursory and then complain it can't be done because they created the circumstances and intended to steal the children all along.

Child and baby stealing, then lying about it and now refusing to do it is a Republican policy, I really cant think of much more disgusting thing to say about our the party that controls our country.

[Sneederbunk]

52. The Trump Administration has always been incompetence on the hoof.

[secondwind]

54. Betsy DeVos has 85 of them.. I'd bet anything they are too little to talk...

She wants them for Jeebus.

[Shoonra]

55. Painfully obvious - they never intended or planned to reunite children with parents

It's become painfully obvious that ICE (and others) took the children from parents without any sort of system or plan to re-unite them at a future date. There was nothing done in a way that would identify the children with reference to the parents who had accompanied them across the border.

This means, in essence, that ICE and others never expected or intended that they'd be expected to re-unite the children, they acted as though the children were to be permanently treated as foundlings and orphans.

I strongly suspect that the ICE manual for this part of their work was translated from the German.

[UCmeNdc]

59. What were they planning to do with the children?

Eat them?

[lillypaddle]

60. They don't give a shit about these people

They are trying to "purify" America by eliminating all the brown people, whatever and however it takes.

This shit keeps me awake at night.

[NBachers]

63. Kindercampen - Let Us Prey

[ailsagirl]

64. OUCH!!!!

But that's about it