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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumslet's phrase it this way- there was no plan to reunite kids w parents,
so what was the plan?
stealing children and passing them out to their allies has been a factor of many a dictatorship.
stealing children and trafficking them is a factor in dictatorships, and a thing that happens in this country, and others, now.
was that the official plan? prolly not.
but i can promise you that not far down the line there are monsters licking their chops about getting their hands on these kids.
Kajun Gal
(1,907 posts)Girard442
(6,059 posts)Sort of like pushing someone out of your car while driving down an isolated desert road. If you thought about it, you'd realize they'll probably die of thirst and exposure, but actually -- you just don't give a shit.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)sending in the Marshall Service to bring people to the bench. There appeared to be zero plan from the get go,just punish people via separation is a similiar manner the Hitlerites did in the Thirties.
If you have been following the Guardian News,stories seem to tell of a plot to incarcerate all Hispanics first and then Muslim Faith folks next. This is Steve Bannon and Steve Millers handy work.
Chemisse
(30,793 posts)I think they may have underestimated the power of a normal person's compassion for children.
They made a mistake targeting kids in this demonic plan. Sure some MAGA people support caging children, but I think there are a whole lot who are taken aback by the monstrous cruelty of this tactic. And they are silent.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)has suddenly started to shy away little by little. Used to be a saying when we were kids,puppy dogs and kids and don't mess with either.
Trump and his band of Thugs are doing their level best to keep the Narrative on Liz Warren and Obama and Clinton.
I want to know how many of these little Tikes have perished in these prisons and Jails. When that info hits the press,bam,it is all over for anyone who tries to defend Trump.
Chemisse
(30,793 posts)There appears to be some evidence that that was the plan for infants and toddlers.
mopinko
(69,808 posts)i read about it here, and dont remember the exact details, but it stuck w me. that is the little voice in the back of my head every time i hear "no plans".
some people had plans. ugly plans.
Chemisse
(30,793 posts)Here is a Snopes article on this issue:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/bethany-christian-services-family-separation-betsy-devos/
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)First, and implemented immediately, profits per head to corporations with government foster-care contracts, followed by a second line of profit in trafficking through adoption.
One asylum seeker is reported on PBS as stating she was told she wouldn't see her child until he was 18 years old because he would be put up for adoption.
Parents have been required to either accept arrest or be deported, with the understanding that "voluntary" deportation means abandonment of their children. Actually, they've been claiming the other course constitutes abandonment as well.
mopinko
(69,808 posts)malaise
(267,834 posts)Rec
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)These kids are party favors for the sick and twisted right wing molestersincluding the ones wrapped in flags carrying Bibles.
no_hypocrisy
(45,779 posts)1) Registration with bar codes.
2) Central database showing identification of "inmates" and location and orders not to move any.
3) DNA tests for all "inmates". Match and return. Second test for any child not matched.
Amaryllis
(9,523 posts)Immigration lawyer: "They have been planning this for over a year. Chaos is the goal."
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210783286
THis statement from Jonathan Ryan, executive director of Raices, an organisation providing legal services to immigrants along the Texas border, is noteworthy:
They have been planning this for over a year. Yet, from what weve seen, there appears to be no real plan to reunite children and their parents. Chaos is the goal. So what is the purpose behind creating chaos? Other than that is plays right into Putin's agenda. What else are they up to?
US immigration
'All I hear is my daughter, crying': a Salvadoran father's plight after separation at border. Guardian US
Arnovis Guidos Portillo was deported from US but his six-year-old daughter remains in custody.
Papa, when are you getting me out of here? asks the small voice on the telephone.
Arnovis Guidos Portillo holds his mobile phone away from his face as he struggles to hold back tears, but his six-year old daughter, Meybelin, can still be heard on speakerphone, asking when she will be released from custody in an American detention centre.
Though he knows its a lie, he tells her that she cant return to El Salvador because the US governments plane is broken; the truth is that he has no idea what will become of her.
Theyre going to bring you home soon, he says. They havent fixed the plane.
Portillo, 26, was separated from Meybelin in McAllen, Texas, on 27 May over three weeks after the attorney general, Jeff Sessions, announced the Trump administrations zero-tolerance policy, mandating children of undocumented migrants would be removed from their parents. Since then, 2,575 have been separated from their parents.
He has spoken to her three times since he was deported to El Salvador on Thursday, but he has no answers to her questions.
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On Saturday, he finally got an answer, when an American lawyer, Jonathan Ryan, called to tell him that Maybelin was being held in a shelter in Phoenix, Arizona, run by the Texas-based non-profit Southwest Key Programs.
Ryan is the executive director of Raices, an organisation providing legal services to immigrants along the Texas border, and he told Portillo they had taken up Maybelins case.
According to Ryan, US officials have become more willing to refuse migrants their right to apply for asylum. The Trump administration has devolved much of the authority in these individual cases to officers who are handling them. Its all totally uncoordinated people on the ground are making it up as they go along, he said.
They have been planning this for over a year. Yet, from what weve seen, there appears to be no real plan to reunite children and their parents. Chaos is the goal.
With little government help, advocates and attorneys have stepped in to fill the void. Raices has received more than $17m since the administration started separating children from their parents, and a host of other legal aid organisations have taken on some of the more than 2,300 cases.
MOre:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jun/24/all-i-hear-is-my-daughter-crying-salvadoran-father-yearns-to-see-his-child-again?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utm_term=279053&subid=20993289&CMP=GT_US_collection
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)and many others like her must be terrified and their parents must be heartbroken. This is just beyond cruelty, what they are doing to these people. It is sadistic. I hope they are reunited soon, but I fear that so many of them won't be and it is entirely the fault of the Trump administration. They need to pay for this!
lostnfound
(16,139 posts)Look at the psyops experiments, radiation tests, and more.
Lost nameless vulnerable kids of various ages.
Just a possibility.
Cha
(295,929 posts)real Monster never thought his devious policy would go South.
Lars39
(26,093 posts)So any child already placed with an adoption agency would be classified as reunified?!