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Kaitlin Byrd - HuffPoIf Democrats are to change the course of events, they will need to process that they, like all of us, have been utterly betrayed.
It will be difficult. It will make our politics feel more rancorous, more hostile, less conciliatory. But it would be wrong for the Democrats to seek reconciliation while the Republican Party organizes government to recognize only its ideology as legitimate, systematically assaults Democratic constituents and actively condones the abandonment of international law and the heinous human rights abuses still happening to thousands of asylum-seekers.
There can be no peace on terms that leave this order intact. It may be that the only way to reveal the better angels of their nature is to purge them of their demons first.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)It's chock full of good sense, quotable too.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)You are welcome.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)It's a degrading broad brush of a title.
Exactly which part of the big Democratic tent is the author referring to?
Just asking
Nitram
(22,791 posts)rationalists, and believe in civil discourse. If you want us to speak out more strongly, make the case for the instead of bashing Democrats.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)when I read published pieces like this I'm instantly suspicious of the intent, as in depress the voters, depress the vote.
The vast majority of Dems know or are certainly growing aware of what we're up against. This is make or break time. November is critical to the welfare of not simply the Democratic Party but the country at large. An article like this at Huffington does nothing to move the ball forward. Rather, the dark, ominous tones convey a sense of despair and futility.
Fuck that!
November is our moment. Let's not waste time or energy on brooding, please.
Maraya1969
(22,478 posts)The Republican Party has gotten much out of this arrangement: a compliant press; an intractable base, and a consolidation of power heretofore unseen in U.S. politics. What benefits have accrued to the Democrats from all their pleasantry and open-mindedness? They have received nothing but scorn. Republicans have spent years savaging Democratic constituents, attacking their cities, towns and cultures, denying them resources and abrogating their rights.
To further reinforce their contempt for anything other than their own power, Republicans have pursued the contemptuous myth of voter fraud, attacked the margins in elections they do lose (and win, apparently) and promoted narratives that delegitimize Democratic-run government. Despite the explicit warnings as to what Republican strategies would be, Democrats have continued to accept this treatment, normalizing attacks on some classes of American citizens and inflicting no consequences for damaging norms in pursuit of power.
Edit to add emphasis
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)I agree with the central theme - the time for civility is long past over. When we receive accusations of being "unhinged," it means we are doing it right.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)We understand perfectly well what we're up against, including narratives like the one she's spinning.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)CNN. Pelosi: Impeachment is not a 'policy agenda' 5/23/2018
I'd say any notion that there is a bipartisan way forward on impeachment shows a fundamental misreading of the situation. But maybe that's just me.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)I think that if there is any fundamental misreading of the situation, it is not on the part of Nancy Pelosi. She knows exactly what it would take to get impeachment through the House. There's a reason why she never lost a vote she ushered to the floor.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)It didn't stop them from holding hearings and pursuing the charges.
Pelosi seems to be conceding the fight before it is started.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)are not necessarily the same thing. I trust her judgement on this more than that of the armchair pundits like Kaitlin Byrd.
Furthermore, waiting to act until it can be done from a position of strength is not is not the same thing as prioritizing Republican voters at the expense of Democratic constituents.
Sorry, but I don't accept the narrative that Leader Pelosi cares more about Republicans than she does about Democrats.
Steven Maurer
(459 posts)His popularity rose significantly due to it.
Let's not make that mistake with Trump. Until the GOP is willing to jettison him, we need to tie him like a boat anchor around every single one of their necks.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)...and kept both Houses of Congress in 2000.
Gore's re-election campaign was damaged because he felt compelled to distance himself from a popular president.
I don't know if it's still out there, but in the mid 2000s, blogger David Swanson (who's become a major jackass, of late) wrote a column about the party that impeaches, wins. He wanted the Pelosi-led house elected in 2006 to go hard after the Bush war crimes.
Steven Maurer
(459 posts)For 150 years. Basically, since before we were the liberals.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)But you are basically correct.
Steven Maurer
(459 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)And he did get reelected after taking over for FDR
Steven Maurer
(459 posts)Truman used the power of the Presidency against the GOP congress. Dewey put forward all these plans and promised about what he was going to do, and Truman was able to call bullshit. He brought the GOP Congress into special session and challenged them to actually pass a bill (which they couldn't because none of their numbers added up). When they didn't, he "do nothing"-ed them all through campaign season.
That's how he held on.
Couldn't have done it without being President. And even then, a lot of the press thought he was toast. Hence the newspapers making the famous mistake.
The Mouth
(3,148 posts)"If you're taking flak, it means you're over the target."
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)To some degree one can blame how the corporate media covers the parties. Or did, I hope that is changing. They have been pushing the false equivalency for decades now already, that both parties are equally moral, ethical, and patriotic, both parties want whats best for the average Joe and Jane. Its just that they each have different ways to get there. The MSM promote that in order to not offend viewers of the Republican bent into believing they are not biased. Even when its transparently obvious that one party is abusing that charity to the tenth degree.
But Democratic politicians have no commercial interest with advertisers like the corporate media shareholders do. They don't even have that excuse. Its not that there is no fight coming from them, but its so pale, so 'civil', that its actually working against them.
My gawd, where is Hillary? And Obama for that matter? I would have liked to see Hillary defying all the anger from not only brainwashed deplorables, but Democratic voters who thought she, and/or the DNC, didn't do enough to win. Really, how much more garbage can they heap on her? IMO the right, and voices like InfoWars etc... can create a much more menacing monster from a vacuum, than if there is an actual living speaking intelligent person not only defending herself, but laying charges against the current administration. Who cares if deplorabes hate watching her on TV. It wouldn't be done for their pleasure.
Her expressing her anger at being cheated from the presidency, and her dismay at what the American public is now enduring would go a long way to the base. She should have come out steaming mad like an opposition leader under house arrest after an election was stolen like in many third world countries, and called the election a sham. Every stupid self-serving decision by the Orange Dotard should have had a reaction from her about how she would have made a different decision, including an explanation about why. Continuously remind Americans how much saner she would have been.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)on multiple fronts for decades using simultaneous but carefully separated and orchestrated parallel battle fields:
1. The face we see with their suits and ties in speeches in Congress and in campaign ads, which appeal to emotions and pump-up people's level of fear.
2. The faces we don't see hidden behind the curtain of legislation and regulatory changes they carefully mask-over regarding harms to the public.
3. The enormous right-wing media machine funded by hard-right billionaires that pumps out lies and deception 24/7.
4. Encouraging the mechanisms by which our main-stream media companies have become profit oriented concerns, which discourage them from bucking corporate (Republican) interests. Therefore, everything political must be normalized back to the relatively civil and "working across the isle" style of the 50s and 60s.
It is instructional to observe how Republican politicians play their theatrical games, using each of those four mediums to their advantage. They create a fog of disinformation to keep the public's heads spinning at all times - a method straight our of Russia's master playbook.
We're facing an extreme uphill battle to return to economic and political equality, as well as to educate our public on how they're being played.
RandySF
(58,770 posts)What are you doing to act on it?
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Your "thanks" are noted.
Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Its a valid question.
Thanks for trying to broaden the discussion beyond the message of the author's opinion piece.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)that Democrats are
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EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Fox News Lies is I think the best message for red states.
Because currently the GOP wants to pretend everything is fine. And the best strategy for Dems is to show outrage.
So wear a shirt or display a bumper sticker that shows OUTRAGE. Make apolitical Americans see that Dems have had enough.
And register voters.
And GOTV.
And join Indivisible - and help them. Show up. Work hard.
C Moon
(12,212 posts)I think letting them off (Cheney was even mouthy about it afterward), set the country up for the battle we are in now.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)..and Obama should have let the too-big-to-fail banks burn to the ground in 2009 and gone harder after the fraudsters. I mention this because the deeply Republican farm belt will come begging for a bailout once these tariffs take hold.
George II
(67,782 posts)....businesses, but without a viable banking system businesses of all types would have failed with them - businesses in manufacturing, distribution, farming, service, etc.
alwaysinasnit
(5,065 posts)Albeit on a much smaller scope and scale. I refer to the Savings and Loan debacle.
https://www.thebalance.com/savings-and-loans-crisis-causes-cost-3306035
Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)(Which didn't happen.)
Doing so seems to have worked out fine for Iceland.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-03-31/welcome-to-iceland-where-bad-bankers-go-to-prison
George II
(67,782 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)They are a sovereign nation. We are a sovereign nation. We could have done the same thing
greatauntoftriplets
(175,731 posts)It probably would have been far worse than the Great Depression.
JI7
(89,247 posts)Trump is a backlash to obama and other good things.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)America's racists saw Obama as the last straw.
chwaliszewski
(1,514 posts)Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)compared to now.
Like Gore not making a stink. A reasonable thing to do in normal times, and he couldn't have known he was sending us down the rabbit hole.
But we are way past that now. And have been for a long time.
C Moon
(12,212 posts)But maybe Putin saw what Bush and Cheney did, and started his evil coup plan.
Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)As great a leader as Obama was, he made a terrible mistake choosing to forgo torture prosecutions.
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workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Just askin.
Been a lot of those lately as the midterm election draws near, go figure.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)gulliver
(13,180 posts)We do need to get off our high horses, take off the gloves, and mix it up. We need to be human. That will restore the half of our strength that comes from our non-angelic side.
We haven't been "betrayed." That's just another self-canonizing framing. We're the good guys (but only most of the time) and we are being mugged, not betrayed.
I do see signs that we are getting in the game. There's no reason smart, good people have to handicap themselves by trying to be sweeties all the time.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Public good versus private enterprise
sandensea
(21,624 posts)We can't pretend our elections are still normal - not anymore.
Susan Calvin
(1,646 posts)RandySF
(58,770 posts)Text the Vote: https://www.buildthewave.org/text-the-vote
Postcards for Voters: https://postcardstovoters.org
Swing Left: https://swingleft.org
Sister District: https://www.sisterdistrict.com
Flippable: https://flippable.org
Indivisible: https://www.indivisible.org
Or go find your local state or county organization.
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Dem swag is important too- because it makes us and our ideas VISIBLE.
Mad Dog PAC - https://maddogpac.com/ Resist and NRA is a terrorist organization Impeachment now
Fox lies; Deport Rupert Murdoch; Avoid rightwing propaganda https://weprotectthetruth.com
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)Way to go!
lunatica
(53,410 posts)N/T
Hamlette
(15,411 posts)I want to live in a civil society. I don't want a bunch of people chanting "shame, shame" at people of a Democratic administration in a restaurant. That does not mean I will compromise my values.
We should take a couple of pages out of their playbook. Where is our "Federalist Society"? Should we have one? And where the hell are we during midterms AND perhaps more importantly, in local races. Tip O'Neill was right: All politics are local. Gerrymandering is done at the state/local level. We wouldn't be in this mess if we had shown up for state legislative races.
I want to belong to a party that fights like hell without carrying Tiki Torches.
johnp3907
(3,730 posts)Very interesting.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)Elected representatives, party leaders, etc
I do it all the time
So do lots of people
certainot
(9,090 posts)dems need to politicize advwertising on political talk radio and democratize it
it just got very easy and cheap to transcribe talk radio - the left can use it to let advertisers and ad agencies know if they advertise on RW/trump talk radio they may be asked if they support him.
Artificial intelligence could spell the end of Trump talk radio before November
it wouldn't take much activism for the ad industry to get the message - it is very easy to list all advertisers on talk radio for any station - getting their contact info - web sites, phone numbers etc, without having to listen to it
in that situation no FD is needed to destroy the monopoly and open up new stations to liberals - then it would be easy
imo since RW talk radio is a well protected 20-1 monopoly it does not deserve to be considered part of the free speech spectrum in a democracy. but even if you do, there is no excuse for allowing it to do what it does without yelling back at it in terms of challenging it with other free speech. waiting for an FD or rich liberals to buy up radio stations is what the cons like us to wait for, and that's why we're here.
and here are 88 universities that are good places to protest anything trump
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Ratings are falling across the board on radio as internet streaming becomes more popular. So fewer ears listen; but as radio gets less profitable, more stations are going either Christian or RWNJ (or sports, of which I approve )
certainot
(9,090 posts)but as long as the idiot collective left ignores it it will continue to make trillions in deregulation, war, tax breaks for billionaires, global warming denial, fascist supremes,
it won't fail on its' own before the planet burns up.
it is still the only major medium for politics that's free and easy in 40 states with 80 senators and the idiot left will again let it intimidate a few red state dem senators and 'moderate' repub senators to vote for another unqualified puppet for the supremes
ignoring it continues to be the biggest political mistake in history
floWteiuQ
(82 posts)I agree with this completely. I'm tired of playing nice with heartless, bullying THUGliCONs.
elmac
(4,642 posts)SWBTATTReg
(22,112 posts)cast in stones sacred ideas, our cherished thoughts on helping all and the mechanisms to do so are under attack everywhere.
We're mobilizing, we're coming up w/ hundreds of good candidates, we're chatting up storms right and left (DU is a good example), and we're on MTP and the like, constantly standing up for our beliefs.
Believe me, there is an overwhelming anti-rump sentiment in quite a few areas that I'm aware of. After all, why the hell is rump going to some county in the middle of nowhere for his rallies? Because rump supporters
know that they can control the narrative more easier then anywhere else.
The rump facilitators know that they can mode their propaganda and enhance voter feelings more easier when there are fewer people in the area versa tens of thousands as there would be in the suburban areas /urban areas /cities protesting rump's every tweet, every move/action, everything. Cowards know where to show their true colors because they are surrounded by other like them, bullies and the like, who think nothing of poking an elbow into one's face.
pecosbob
(7,537 posts)If you're so weak-willed and addle-brained that a few lies on the internet can change who you are going to vote for then turn off your freaking social media and cable propaganda until it's time to vote.
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Interview
Madeleine Albright: The things that are happening are genuinely, seriously bad
Andrew Rawnsle
Sun 8 Jul 2018 05.00 EDT
Link: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jul/08/madeleine-albright-fascism-is-not-an-ideology-its-a-method-interview-fascism-a-warning
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The book is a cry of anguish about the global resurgence of authoritarianism and a lament over the decay of the liberal internationalist politics to which Albright has devoted her career. The work is also an act of homage to her father who wrote books about the perils of tyranny and worried that Americans were so accustomed to liberty so very, very free, he wrote that they might take democracy for granted. She quotes Primo Levi Every age has its own fascism and makes her case with observations about the autocrats she has dealt with and brisk histories of past dictators and the horrors that they unleashed. A devils portrait gallery includes Benito Mussolini, the original fascist, and Adolf Hitler, the most destructive. Then theres Donald Trump.
She agrees that we ought to be careful not to casually throw around the F-word lest we drain the potency from what should be a powerful term. Im not calling Trump a fascist, she says. Yet she seems to be doing all but that when she puts him in the same company as historical fascists in a book that seeks to sound an alarm bell about a fascist revival.
I think her book will be a good read for those of us that could use a refresher on how we got where we are and the perils we're facing today.
.........
RandySF
(58,770 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)Bok_Tukalo
(4,322 posts)Long live supremacy!
Nitram
(22,791 posts)bluntly, and constantly about the constant lying, cheating, stealing, an d slander issuing from this administration and their Republican enablers.
Bonx
(2,053 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,137 posts)You don't make nice with Nazis.
Lady Freedom Returns
(14,120 posts)all of us, have been utterly betrayed."
News Flash! We have been betrayed. By our fellow citizens. A bunch of Nationalist traded us all for a red hat.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)I just have no idea about all those silly politicians doing their politickin, being a Democrat and all.
Adding the obligatory