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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat would you do if you knew someone with a personality like Trump in real life?
What if you had a family member like him?
What if your boss was like him?
Would you run like hell or try to change him?
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)but mostly I just ignore or isolate them from activities.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... the most sympathetic outlet for enabling.
FAUX News is enabling Red Don and is his only outlet for now, he loses them (which there's little chance of that) Red Don will retaliate some more by trying to hurt the country ... some more.
I've seen Traitor Tots actions in a sociopath kid ... nearly step for step ... some brutal stuff
ck4829
(35,069 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Most of the instructions on the nets are pretty consistent.
the variance is if they're in power etc
bitterross
(4,066 posts)He has a disorder that remains untreated. In real life I would seek other employment. I would unfriend him. I would avoid all contact.
ADX
(1,622 posts)...I punched him in the fucking face.
True story.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Or did it just make you feel better?
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... sociopath does is there fault.
I don't mean an overly defensive person who feels put on for no rational reason I'm talking about a person who recognizes they CAUSED the negative situation in word or deed and then looks to or finds blame in something or someone else.
Usually the latter you need video or audio proof, with Benedict Donald there's tons of it.
...He said he learned from the experience and by all accounts, his "personality" improved afterwards.
Bullies have to be taught the error of their ways and there's no better way to teach them than to call them on their bullshit.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)Best way to get to arrogant fools with nothing to back it up. Talk down to them. Ridicule them. They lose it in an amusing way.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)easttexaslefty
(1,554 posts)lisa58
(5,755 posts)Decoy of Fenris
(1,954 posts)Kid couldn't be over twenty five, but he's arrogant, comes from money, and runs his mouth about anyone/anything, to anyone nearby. We've got a nice little chess group that plays on our breaks, and after several games played against this kid, I'd had enough, so I politely declined future games. I can't stand loud chess players, let alone ones that insist on smacktalk. Well, last night, he insisted that I was afraid to play against him, afraid of losing to him. Granted, he's good, but I pull my chess punches for the first few games so new/poor players don't immediately get discouraged.
Finally had to say "It's not that I'm afraid. You're arrogant, you're egomaniacal, you're loud, and you're lacking in humility. I just don't fuckin' like you or respect you as a human being."
Sometimes you just gotta call 'em as you see 'em.
oasis
(49,380 posts)The Figment
(494 posts)A family member, and I have not spoken to them in several years. Don't see them on holidays, birthdays, or any other occasions. They said they would write me out of their will and thats fine with me.
SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)I don't waste my breath, my time, or anything connected to me or my friends, my family, anyone on a narcissist. They will try to suck the life out of everything around them and not contribute 1 damn thing.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)It destroyed several years of my life.
sinkingfeeling
(51,448 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Therefore he, or someone like him, cannot perceive themselves as the ones who genuinely need to seek help. Because to do that, in TrumpWorld, is to be seen as weak, or as having admitted to a self-perceived weakness. He cant do it. He might as well try to climb up a plate glass window.
If I knew anybody who believed in Trump (or even worse, if they actually like this cretin), Id have to shake loose of them ASAP. That may seem harsh, but how could I identify with or feel anything other than contempt for someone as destructively anti-American as a Trump booster.
mokawanis
(4,440 posts)I worked at a psychiatric hospital, on a unit that treated mentally-ill men who had committed felonies. A few of them had the same mental illness trump has, that being narcissistic personality disorder. I treated those men with fairness and empathy, things trump does not deserve.
Laffy Kat
(16,377 posts)donkeypoofed
(2,187 posts)It's a condition so severe that there isn't even any treatment for it. One Psychological doctor, Dr.Gartner, said that his mentor told him that if he ever came across a Malignant Narcissist in person, he should just run; that there isn't any treatment for them and the only thing they'll do is hurt you (in some form).
JohnnyLib2
(11,211 posts)Difficult clients, to say the least.
no_hypocrisy
(46,088 posts)My father.
Ask me anything.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)I avoid him like the plague.
kimbutgar
(21,137 posts)He insulted me and my son in front of my extended family on July 3rd 2013 who were visiting my Mother with Dementia. For that day forward until his death on June 29th 2017 I never talked or had anything to do with him. I put up with him since 1985 when he married my only sibling my sister. For years he insulted, called me loser and put me and my husband down. But when he called my son with autism a retard and a waste of societies money that was the finally straw. I still kept my relationship with my sister but never went to her house again. When he died she called me and I went there and saw him dead (he had congestive heart failure and had one of those Dick Cheney heart pump procedures but never was the same] I was so happy he was dead but kept my feelings to myself to be a support for my sister when the hospice people came and mortuary took his body out.
He wanted to vote for Twitler but was too weak to vote at the polls.
gordianot
(15,237 posts)Malignant Narcissist for certain. Like every job he had he got fired, the two years he was in the school he went through no less than five school secretaries the last ones husband threatened to kill him for sexual harassment if he did not leave town.
spooky3
(34,444 posts)Ask him to adjust to get lofty goals accomplished, and worked many hours of unpaid overtime. Finally got a job elsewhere and left. He was promoted.
Years afterward I got a call from someone who was experiencing many of the same difficulties in the same org. Sad. Or should I say, SAD!
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Siwsan
(26,260 posts)I took an early retirement. The HR department asked me what they could do to make me change my mind, and I told them the ONLY way I'd stay is if they fired this individual.
I knew they had already fired her, once, and she got them involved in some pretty nasty litigation, and they had to let her come back. In order to avoid dealing with her, they just wrote her up for the DOZENS of complaints they received about her, and then would just turn her loose to cause more trouble.
I told him that I knew all about the previous situation, so they could do what was right and keep a good employee, or take the easy road and continue to enable a bad one.
The HR director went pale. So, I left.
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)He is ruthless and vengeful toward anyone who disagrees with him.
I have not spoken with him since 2008.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Maybe we're related?
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)I knew he'd never follow directions, but I still had to go through the whole process. So I did what Mueller is doing. Slowly I pulled the net tighter and tighter, documenting everything along the way. Tried to follow proper procedure at all times, because he would exploit every mistake. Then I made my big move and he self-immolated. There was a lot of collateral damage, but I got him fired like I wanted.
Hekate
(90,667 posts)It really hurts to quit a job you had hoped would be a career, as I know. But one's personal ethics, sanity, and physical health should count for something too.
Same with the others in your life. I admit it's harder with relatives, especially if they have created a sick family system where everybody is caught in the web trying to make it make sense. But adults have choices, and at a certain point they have to decide.
As for friends, no one with Trump's sociopathic personality would have ever been a friend, at any stage of his life or mine.
Turbineguy
(37,322 posts)There is no changing them. All they can do is harm you. Narcissism, as I understand it, is pretty much incurable.
Eugene
(61,874 posts)Being toxic is a lot more difficult if you're not white and rich.
yonder
(9,664 posts)After a certain age, everybody has met people with pathological traits like that. When possible, my solution is to avoid them and take steps to cover your ass, because often enough they'll come after you in some twisted way. You will not win playing their "game".
If that person is a boss? Quit. You were looking for a job when you found that one anyway. Again, cover your ass.
mythology
(9,527 posts)My biological dad is a narcissistic habitual liar. He's regularly unfaithful to his partners, a shitty parent and deeply misogynist and made inappropriate "locker room" talk (in his case commenting on the size of my underage cousin's breasts is one particular low light)
When I was 17, I realized just how horrible a hums being he is. Fortunately my mom had already divorced him, so cutting him out was easy. He called on my 18th birthday to welcome me to "manhood", I replied saying he should someday try to become one, hung up, and haven't talked to him in almost 19 years.
Not everyone can be changed, and even those who can, not everybody can change that person. I tried and failed. At that point it was my emotional health or his. The choice was easy.
llmart
(15,536 posts)A female boss who was classic narcissistic personality disorder. I just quit. It was a job I really liked a lot, but it was not worth the emotional roller coaster that working for her was. It was a small organization, so nowhere else to go. I landed on my feet, which I usually do. Got another job when I was ready.
Ex-husband also had NPD in addition to other personality disorders.
I learned everything I could about NPD and now I can recognize it almost immediately. There is no changing these people, so my advice is always to run like hell!
HipChick
(25,485 posts)I don't back down, and don't go along with her version of reality...so we have huge fights...luckily I live a long way away...and only have to encounter her at family gatherings...
She's created this sick family system, and everyone tip toes around her...except me...can't be bothered and thank god for Uber...