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mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)To 'illustrate' what the cops have to put up with when it comes to dealing with 'those people' (not my thinking, theirs).
Having 10 year old kids screeching 'You P***y ass Ni**ers!!!' at the police, along with similar disrespectful shit being shouted at them, and the fact that apart from the gun pull, they act with the utmost restraint the whole time ... it's actually perfect propaganda for 'the other side' ... and I expect they'll edit it ... and use it.
Whoever posted this was not thinking things through when it comes to overall 'picture' of what's going on.
MuseRider
(34,095 posts)Yes I know what the kids were yelling. So what? Considering what they have seen and experienced at their ages compared to what I saw by that age can you blame them? They are kids. Until adults and those in control can suck it up and try to change this it will only get worse. Their behavior today just made it worse. Is that what we are hoping for?
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)I don't disagree with you brother/sister, but I AM questioning the value of this particular video when it comes to arguing for OUR 'sides' ... values.
From a 'making our case' perspective, I pretty much wish whoever had posted it ... had posted like the first 20 seconds, and then shut it the fuck off (in terms of the publicly shared content).
Know what I'm saying?
That being said, it's also brutally REAL. From a 'documentary' standpoint, it's actually pretty damn powerful. Rather see it in a Mike Moore movie ... than on youtube, put it like that.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Other than that, how was the play Mrs Lincoln?
Yes the kids are obnoxious little brats, but pulling a gun on them is far past the line. You shouldn't get too much credit for doing most of the right things if you do one of the biggest things wrong.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)What I'm getting at is ... this vid sadly has just as much propaganda value for 'the other side' as it does for 'us'.
No matter our feelings on how wrong what this cop did was with pulling the gun, there's a TON of people in this country that, if they watched the whole thing, will decide that these cops acted in an admirable way.
They'll ask 'well, what were these people doing before the video that precipitated the police acting this way'? And when they see the rest of the video, they'll imagine that what was going on before the gun incident ... was much the same as what happened after.
There's a LOT of people in this country that don't think this is appropriate behavior, esp. when it's 'those people' doing so. Not saying it's right, just saying ... that's how it is.
If vids showing abusive behavior by cops towards minorities are going to 'go viral' ... I'd really much rather they not come off like this video does.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,308 posts)One adult and one minor were arrested for criminal trespass. This reaction from the cop is excessive; his department agrees, putting him on desk duty while they review protocol.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)The overall video does NOT look good for the people involved.
In fact, all but those roughly 5 seconds? They look and especially SOUND ... fairly great for supporters of racist cops.
That's what I'm saying.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)If those jackasses complain, show them this video. Double standard anyone?
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Tipperary
(6,930 posts)He should not have pulled his gun, but those kids are not on a good path to a good life.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Unless you're advocating arresting every kid who mouths off and cusses. Then we got a different problem on our hands.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Just because they don't deserve to be arrested doesn't mean they aren't obnoxious trash. For example if I ever said anything like that at their age, my mom would have smacked me upside the head and for good reason.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)than by anything that came out of these kids' mouths.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)dad had told me it was the worst word when some business associate of my dads said it and I heard it.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)complete with sexist and racist language. Ugly at any age, but very sad to see at that age.
MuseRider
(34,095 posts)Jesus, it just keeps getting worse and worse. When you think they have hit bottom they bully other countries over breast milk and then pull guns on little kids, haul them down and sit on them and pull their arms hard behind their backs. Mothers shoot those kids one look and they stop what they are doing but these guys with all the power cannot help but make the situation worse and then they act like it is worse for them as they pull weapons and twist arms at kids 1/4 their size.
These men may have a job that requires more bravery than I will ever have but they just cannot help making it worse.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Don't know what for, but would you and your friends have acted like that when you were a kid?
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Even at that age, I knew being a little idiot would not help him or anyone else.
MuseRider
(34,095 posts)Especially a white child. There were a lot of black kids being arrested and yes, if I had seen a friend of mine arrested like that I might very well have yelled, in fact I am sure I would. I don't easily back down from wrong doing. A few years later when the Vietnam was going we all were yelling but we were older.
Considering the way police have been acting in these communities I would say if they want them to stop yelling and reacting like that perhaps they should change their attitudes toward that community. You seriously do not understand this?
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)to what those kids said.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)In that context, all the handwringings from the tone police sound meaningless, doesn't it?
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)My friend was thrown rather roughly against the car. The cop was an asshole. My post was in response to the poster who said white kids would not get arrested.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)So much for that, part two.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Palestinian children, Iraqi children, Afghani children, Yemeni children, all would well understand the tactics and the mindset.
malaise
(268,709 posts)You nailed it
Bleacher Creature
(11,252 posts)WillowTree
(5,325 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I have had two friends leave the teaching field because they were talked to like that, and the administration would never back them up. Both were devoted to teaching and heartbroken at what the schools have become.