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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAn excellent analysis of the very improbable red shift in the 2016 election.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319205877_Updated_Expanded_and_Corrected_Affidavit_Version_US_2016_Unadjusted_Exit_Poll_Discrepancies_Fit_Chronic_Republican_Vote_-_Count_Rigging_not_Random_Statistical_Patternsmythology
(9,527 posts)The problems continue with the final waves, which analysts pore over in the days after the election and treat as a definitive account of the composition of the electorate. Some foolish journalists might write entire posts that assume that the black share of the electorate was 15 percent in Ohio. In reality, the exit polls just arent precise enough to justify making distinctions between an electorate thats 15 percent black and, say, 13 percent black.
The imperfections of the exit polls are not hard to show. Here are two quick examples, based on official voter turnout statistics:
The exit polls showed that voters over age 65 were 18 percent of the electorate in Iowa in 2008, but 26 percent in 2012. The official state turnout statistics instead show that the share increased to 23.6 percent, from 21.9 percent, over the same span.
In North Carolina, the exit polls showed that the black share of the electorate dropped to 23 percent in 2008, from 26 percent in 2004, and held steady at 23 percent in 2012. The state turnout statistics say the share rose from 18.6 percent in 2004 to 22.3 percent in 2008, and then to 23.1 percent in 2012.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ten-reasons-why-you-should-ignore-exit/
4. Exit polls challenge the definition of a random sample. Although the exit polls have theoretically established procedures to collect a random sample essentially, having the interviewer approach every nth person who leaves the polling place in practice this is hard to execute at a busy polling place, particularly when the pollster may be standing many yards away from the polling place itself because of electioneering laws.
https://www.thenation.com/article/reminder-exit-poll-conspiracy-theories-are-totally-baseless/
The author of this "research" is clearly an idiot who has literally no idea what he's talking about. It's embarrassing which is why nobody in the Democratic party structure takes it seriously. The author may know statistics, but he's clearly got all the knowledge of politics that my cat does. Please do at least 30 seconds of research before posting nonsense like this.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)the NY Times Magaazine posted a story about an exit pollster who worked that election.
She reported that her biggest problem (she was a college grad student doing this as a part time job) was that some voters strayed as far away from her as possible and others walked right up to her.
With group ran away from her the most?
Older men.
Which group was friendliest and answered her questions?
Younger women.
She worried that she did not get an accurate count because though she tried to get every tenth voter or whatever the number was, the respondents basically self selected themselves.
JI7
(89,249 posts)although i could see people not admitting they had voted for Trump and/or Bush back then.
Yupster
(14,308 posts)Just picture you have four older men. Two are pleasant and come up to you to get interviewed.
Two are angry and wave you off muttering.
Later by some means you find out that two of them voted for Bush and two voted for Kerry.
You interviewed two of them.
How confident are you that you interviewed one Bush voter and one Kerry voter?
Don't you see the problem with self selection?
Also back then the exit poll was likely to be a table with 3-4 young women pollsters behind it and a big sign advertising the network that was commissioning the poll.
You think Bush voters are just as likely as Kerry voters to approach that table? Plus the tables have to be a certain distance from the polls and depending of the layout of the polling place, that may give reluctant participants plenty of space to get far away without being approached.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)It actually makes total sense