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What if Donald Trump has been a Russian asset this whole time? That was the question Taegan Goddard asked after reading a haunting New York Magazine piece Sunday.
The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory, New York Magazine writer Jonathan Chait.
The text comes as a score of Democrats and some Republicans have tried to caution that the United States has been compromised not only in terms of the election but also the U.S. power grid as well as other critical infrastructure. The security of the nation, however, has fallen by the wayside as the GOP has been able to score legislative and judicial victories they feared theyd lost.
A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation, Chait continued. And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/new-york-magazine-writer-wonders-donald-trump-russian-asset-whole-time/
You just found out Trump has been a Russian/Soviet asset from Day One?!
Orsino
(37,428 posts)I certainly wouldn't question that for the past several years Trump has been acting exactly like a (lazy and mentally addled) Russian asset.
As to how far back the compromise goes, we may never learn the truth. Trump is obviously a patsy for whomever last talked to him or flattered him most pleasingly. He would have been an easy and highly cooperative mark for anyone trying to run him. Getting the hooks in would have been a trivial exercise, and his epic financial fuck-ups meant would have actively sought out the dirty money. His lack of self-control means that they have all the tawdry/salacious photos, videos and audio that they could want.
We have only to imagine how such a puppet would act, then read headlines, and the case is persuasive.
He's a puppet.
tandem5
(2,072 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)dchill
(38,468 posts)Ninga
(8,275 posts)Excerpt:
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What is missing from our imagination is the unlikely but possible outcome on the other end: that this is all much worse than we suspect. After all, treating a small probability as if it were nonexistent is the very error much of the news media made in covering the presidential horse race. And while the body of publicly available information about the Russia scandal is already extensive, the way it has been delivered scoop after scoop of discrete nuggets of information has been disorienting and difficult to follow. What would it look like if it were reassembled into a single narrative, one that distinguished between fact and speculation but didnt myopically focus on the most certain conclusions?
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lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The only unlikely outcome would be that Turd aligns with Putin against the USA every time, by pure coincidence. So unlikely as to be literally impossible.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Most of the speculation has had it as having been since that Moscow hotel meeting in 2012 or 2013.
Scruffy1
(3,255 posts)There is no way that the GOP itaelf is not involved and it might have been going on for years. When I look back on the elections in 2010-2018 there seems to be a pattern. It seems quite possible that our elections have been hacked for years and what better way to do it than hire a third party from a country known for its hacking skills so you can maintain plausible deniability. It's also possible Trump was not in on the deal, just a beneficiary. Hopefully, more will be revealed.
ProfessorPlum
(11,255 posts)glad to see the corporate media dipping a toe into stating the patently obvious.
dalton99a
(81,443 posts)Will Trump Be Meeting With His Counterpart Or His Handler?
A plausible theory of mind-boggling collusion.
By Jonathan Chait
DeminPennswoods
(15,278 posts)nt
TeamPooka
(24,220 posts)maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)Malcolm Nance blurted out the fact that Trump was a Russian Asset since 1987. Thought holy cow,here we go,the Agencies are now in full take Trump down mode. Nance should know,he ran the Anti Russian Desk for quite some time.
mitch96
(13,890 posts)I'm curious if he has registered as a foreign agent yet???
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LudwigPastorius
(9,136 posts)catbyte
(34,367 posts)The only thing that would surprise me at this point would be to find out he wasn't a Russian asset all along.
trump followed the money. The Russians had lots of it. And one of his own sons - I think it was Eric - even said so. Especially when all those bankruptcies scared American banks away from funding his daddys lavish hotel/golf resort plans.
Donald has been bought-and-paid-for, for awhile. I cant help but suspect that this is why we STILL havent seen his tax returns.
catbyte
(34,367 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 9, 2018, 08:40 PM - Edit history (2)
so where do people think he got the funds to develop of all his "properties" for the last decade? His paycheck from "The Apprentice?" His spawn outed them all in 2007-08 with these quotes:
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Traitor Tot is scared shitless of Putin because he knows that he can--and will--ruin him financially if he doesn't toe the line. And he's probably worried about being slipped a Polonium-laced diet Coke if he doesn't do everything in his power to get the sanctions lifted. Pee tape, hell. I'm sure Putin has evidence of at least a decade of money laundering for Russia through Trump Organization "properties." His allegiance has been and always will be with Russia, and not with the United States.
calimary
(81,209 posts)bdamomma
(63,836 posts)saying that. There is it in black and white.
evidence.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Bright move, boy geniuses. Well done!
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)Trump owes Russian interests tons of money from real estate and project deals and lots of money most likely has been laundered. During all those years of secret dealings, it's almost a certainty they have a sizable collection of highly immoral kompromat that will put the Stormy scandal to shame. Trump is not known for maintaining careful security in his use of communications, so they surely have recorded many of his calls and probably had agents watching him for years.
So, it's not surprise he acts so "pro-Russia" since they own him completely.......
calimary
(81,209 posts)the Bank of Cyprus, is in trump's CABINET!!!!! As Commerce Secretary! That weird little gnome Wilbur Ross was vice chairman of the Bank of Cyprus, and led a takeover of it awhile back.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/23/wilbur-ross-russian-deal-bank-of-cyprus-donald-trump-commerce-secretary
And that's just one person in trump's orbit. There more hot 'n' cold-running Russians coming out of EVERY faucet in the White House! Every rock you turn over in the White House grounds has a Russian hidden underneath it. Russians are coming out of the woodwork in this administration. They're EVERYWHERE.
Indeed, if you want to talk infestations, it's not the brown-skinned immigrants looking for a better or safer life, it's the fucking RUSSIANS infesting the entire executive branch of our government! I am 65 years old. I've been watching presidential campaigns since the 60s. And I have NEVER - EVER - seen ANY campaign by ANY candidate from ANYWHERE, who had this many Russians crawling all over everything and everybody, everywhere.
The Russians absolutely own trump's ass. In fact, I can't help but wonder if the latest poisoning in London was meant as a not-so-subtle hint to trump 'n' comp to behave - or else.
I also think that's why trump hasn't coughed up his tax returns. I bet there are several tons of kompromat in there. If they were all on the up 'n' up, don't you think he'd be eager to show them off? WHY has he kept them under wraps? WHY has he been the only presidential candidate and/or winner who's never released any income tax returns? Even Mitt Romney, who initially didn't want to release his, finally did. And Hillary released a few DECADES' worth of hers and Bill's. And the Bushes never balked either, that I can recall. I don't think Bernie ever released his, but he didn't get as far as the nomination. I suspect he WOULD have played ball, though, if he had become the Democratic nominee. Only trump hasn't. And one simply HAS TO wonder why.
One simply HAS TO wonder what he's hiding. Hell, even Trey Gowdy urged trump to act like someone who's innocent - making it clear that trump isn't doing anything of the kind.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,489 posts)My bet is this trip to Russia is to pump up his base on how wonderful he feels Russia and Putin is, but we know it's all a ruse. He'll come home and be on Faux's big couch shows and probably hold some more rallies just for that purpose - to normalize the public's perception of Russia, our long-time adversary.
I think it was posted here elsewhere, but just in case you missed it, here's Malcolm Nance's interview with Salon that gives a professional's view of the big picture - and it's frightening as hell:
Link: https://www.salon.com/2018/07/09/malcolm-nance-on-trump-were-on-the-cusp-of-losing-the-american-constitutional-republic-forever/
What's just as frightening as Trump's being compromised is the quantity of money and power that's behind him - political support, financial support, media support, corporate support, criminal MOB support and of course his loyal base.
"Hot 'n' cold-running Russians" LOL - let's hope we can run them off into the Pacific. We must persist and stay positive!...
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)jalan48
(13,856 posts)make it all about Russia. American oligarchs who benefit from Trump's actions need to be put under the microscope as well.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)He has to be an asset.
Fla Dem
(23,645 posts)I have suspected as being sleeper agents.
I know, I know, conspiracy theories. But it just seems so coincidental, that all these people, with seemingly different paths in life should all come together at the same time and begin to dismantle everything that has stood for America for decades. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell were one too. Some may be sleeper agents, long time supposedly upright American citizens just waiting for the right time to put Putin's plan into action. Others may have been blacked mailed into going along with the plan.
Just take a look at this article published in Politic, definitely not a left leaning publication, in March 2017. Even then things were smelling a bit fishy. Now with all of trump's actions favoring Russia; trashing NATO and the G7, cozying up to NK. It is just so unAmerican and traitorous.
By MICHAEL CROWLEY March/April 2017
What is the real story of Donald Trump and Russia? The answer is still unclear, and Democrats in Congress want to get to the bottom of it with an investigation. But theres no doubt that a spider web of connectionssome public, some private, some clear, some murkyexists between Trump, his associates and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
These charts illustrate dozens of those links, including meetings between Russian officials and members of Trumps campaign and administration; his daughters ties to Putins friends; Trumps 2013 visit to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant; and his short-lived mixed martial arts venture with one of Putins favorite athletes. The solid lines mark established facts, while dotted ones represent speculative or unproven connections.
Theres nothing inherently damning about most of the ties illustrated below. But they do reveal the vast and mysteriously complex web behind a story that has vexed Trumps young presidency from its startand is certain to shake the White House for months to come.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)bdamomma
(63,836 posts)this paragraph caught my attention.
Yes, McConnell knew big time.
And if youre Putin, embarking upon a coveted summit with the most Russophilic president since World War II, who is taking a crowbar to the alliance of your enemies, why wouldnt you help him in 2018 and 2020? Ever since the fall of 2016, when Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell privately turned down an Obama-administration proposal for a bipartisan warning to Russia not to interfere in the election, the underlying dynamic has been set: Most Republicans would rather win an election with Putins help than lose one without it. The Democrats, brimming with rage, threaten to investigate Russian activity if they win a chamber of Congress this November. For Putin to redouble his attack by hacking into voting machines or some other method would be both strategic and in keeping with his personality. Why stop now?
they should throw them all in prison.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,171 posts)Although with States having the right to oversee their own elections, I'm not sure what a federal body can do. But there must be something. Surely there must be some federal oversight allowed for a federal election. Sorry, I'm from Canada where that concept is an obvious given.
malchickiwick
(1,474 posts)There is absolutely not a shred of uncertainty about this, in my mind.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,171 posts)It must not be true.
And the MSM is falling right into that trap.
Mahalo, Meow!
Quixote1818
(28,928 posts)blogslut
(37,997 posts)Easy to understand and compelling to read:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html
Takket
(21,555 posts)My favorite paragraph................
"Russian intelligence gains influence in foreign countries by operating subtly and patiently. It exerts different gradations of leverage over different kinds of people, and uses a basic tool kit of blackmail that involves the exploitation of greed, stupidity, ego, and sexual appetite. All of which are traits Trump has in abundance."