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meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:00 AM Jul 2018

NY Mag writer: Trump may have been a Russian asset all along

What if Donald Trump has been a Russian asset this whole time? That was the question Taegan Goddard asked after reading a haunting New York Magazine piece Sunday.

“The media has treated the notion that Russia has personally compromised the president of the United States as something close to a kook theory,” New York Magazine writer Jonathan Chait.

The text comes as a score of Democrats and some Republicans have tried to caution that the United States has been compromised not only in terms of the election but also the U.S. power grid as well as other critical infrastructure. The security of the nation, however, has fallen by the wayside as the GOP has been able to score legislative and judicial victories they feared they’d lost.

“A minority of analysts, mostly but not exclusively on the right, have promoted aggressively exculpatory interpretations of the known facts, in which every suspicious piece of evidence turns out to have a surprisingly innocent explanation,” Chait continued. “And it is possible, though unlikely, that every trail between Trump Tower and the Kremlin extends no farther than its point of current visibility.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/new-york-magazine-writer-wonders-donald-trump-russian-asset-whole-time/

You just found out Trump has been a Russian/Soviet asset from Day One?!

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NY Mag writer: Trump may have been a Russian asset all along (Original Post) meow2u3 Jul 2018 OP
Duh. dchill Jul 2018 #1
LOLL! Anon-C Jul 2018 #2
Well, the non-duh part is the 1987 weirdness. Orsino Jul 2018 #5
The 80s stuff has been out there for a while. Check out Sarah Kendzior (December 2016) tandem5 Jul 2018 #22
Yes. The tRump*/Russia affair has been going on for some time. Raster Jul 2018 #41
Again, and still, duh. dchill Jul 2018 #42
Yep....read the entire article. Ninga Jul 2018 #3
"unlikely but possible" - puh-leeze. Turd colludes on TV and in his policies every day. lagomorph777 Jul 2018 #15
It may be possible NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #4
It goes deeper than Trump. Scruffy1 Jul 2018 #6
themoscowproject.org ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #7
+1. The NY Mag article is worth reading in its entirety dalton99a Jul 2018 #8
Seconded DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #20
thank you. People need to not post Raw Story links. They just rip off real reporting for clicks TeamPooka Jul 2018 #21
Wouldn't be surprised if his first wife Ivana was one too nt maryellen99 Jul 2018 #9
Last week on MSNBC Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #10
"Trump was a Russian Asset since 1987. " mitch96 Jul 2018 #11
Ya think? LudwigPastorius Jul 2018 #12
No shit, Sherlock. catbyte Jul 2018 #13
This! calimary Jul 2018 #17
It's common knowledge that no U.S. or reputable European bank will lend him a dime, catbyte Jul 2018 #18
Those are the ones! Both of those smarmy sons. On The Record. calimary Jul 2018 #19
I remember Don Jr. bdamomma Jul 2018 #30
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #34
You hit the nail square on the head. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2018 #23
And don't forget - the Russians' go-to money launderer at their favorite go-to bank, calimary Jul 2018 #32
Agree with everything you said, Calimary. KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2018 #40
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2018 #14
He's also an asset to individuals like the Koch Brothers. I think we make a mistake when we jalan48 Jul 2018 #16
Trump cannot be blackmailed, he is utterly shameless RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #24
Trump, Bannon, Miller, Manafort, Nunes, Stone, Flynn just to name a few Fla Dem Jul 2018 #25
Thanks for this! smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #35
wow what an article bdamomma Jul 2018 #26
I hope Democrats win the House back, and then start working on election tampering immediately LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #29
What is this "may have" nonsense? malchickiwick Jul 2018 #27
If the lie is big enough, or in this case, if the treason is big enough LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #28
KICK! Cha Jul 2018 #31
K&R UTUSN Jul 2018 #33
Hounding Obama for his birth certificate seems right inline with this. nt Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #36
Chait's piece collects the points and connects them quite well blogslut Jul 2018 #37
Read the whole thing, very worthwhile read. Takket Jul 2018 #38
Duh. Amaryllis Jul 2018 #39

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
5. Well, the non-duh part is the 1987 weirdness.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:15 AM
Jul 2018

I certainly wouldn't question that for the past several years Trump has been acting exactly like a (lazy and mentally addled) Russian asset.

As to how far back the compromise goes, we may never learn the truth. Trump is obviously a patsy for whomever last talked to him or flattered him most pleasingly. He would have been an easy and highly cooperative mark for anyone trying to run him. Getting the hooks in would have been a trivial exercise, and his epic financial fuck-ups meant would have actively sought out the dirty money. His lack of self-control means that they have all the tawdry/salacious photos, videos and audio that they could want.

We have only to imagine how such a puppet would act, then read headlines, and the case is persuasive.

He's a puppet.

tandem5

(2,072 posts)
22. The 80s stuff has been out there for a while. Check out Sarah Kendzior (December 2016)
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 01:36 PM
Jul 2018

check out the whole thread...


Ninga

(8,275 posts)
3. Yep....read the entire article.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jul 2018

Excerpt:

Snip...
What is missing from our imagination is the unlikely but possible outcome on the other end: that this is all much worse than we suspect. After all, treating a small probability as if it were nonexistent is the very error much of the news media made in covering the presidential horse race. And while the body of publicly available information about the Russia scandal is already extensive, the way it has been delivered — scoop after scoop of discrete nuggets of information — has been disorienting and difficult to follow. What would it look like if it were reassembled into a single narrative, one that distinguished between fact and speculation but didn’t myopically focus on the most certain conclusions?
Snip....

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. "unlikely but possible" - puh-leeze. Turd colludes on TV and in his policies every day.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jul 2018

The only unlikely outcome would be that Turd aligns with Putin against the USA every time, by pure coincidence. So unlikely as to be literally impossible.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
4. It may be possible
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:14 AM
Jul 2018

Most of the speculation has had it as having been since that Moscow hotel meeting in 2012 or 2013.

Scruffy1

(3,255 posts)
6. It goes deeper than Trump.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:23 AM
Jul 2018

There is no way that the GOP itaelf is not involved and it might have been going on for years. When I look back on the elections in 2010-2018 there seems to be a pattern. It seems quite possible that our elections have been hacked for years and what better way to do it than hire a third party from a country known for its hacking skills so you can maintain plausible deniability. It's also possible Trump was not in on the deal, just a beneficiary. Hopefully, more will be revealed.

dalton99a

(81,443 posts)
8. +1. The NY Mag article is worth reading in its entirety
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:34 AM
Jul 2018
https://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html
Will Trump Be Meeting With His Counterpart — Or His Handler?
A plausible theory of mind-boggling collusion.
By Jonathan Chait
 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. Last week on MSNBC
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 12:02 PM
Jul 2018

Malcolm Nance blurted out the fact that Trump was a Russian Asset since 1987. Thought holy cow,here we go,the Agencies are now in full take Trump down mode. Nance should know,he ran the Anti Russian Desk for quite some time.

mitch96

(13,890 posts)
11. "Trump was a Russian Asset since 1987. "
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 12:12 PM
Jul 2018

I'm curious if he has registered as a foreign agent yet???

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catbyte

(34,367 posts)
13. No shit, Sherlock.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 12:23 PM
Jul 2018

The only thing that would surprise me at this point would be to find out he wasn't a Russian asset all along.

calimary

(81,209 posts)
17. This!
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jul 2018

trump followed the money. The Russians had lots of it. And one of his own sons - I think it was Eric - even said so. Especially when all those bankruptcies scared American banks away from funding his daddy’s lavish hotel/golf resort plans.

Donald has been bought-and-paid-for, for awhile. I can’t help but suspect that this is why we STILL haven’t seen his tax returns.

catbyte

(34,367 posts)
18. It's common knowledge that no U.S. or reputable European bank will lend him a dime,
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 01:00 PM
Jul 2018

Last edited Mon Jul 9, 2018, 08:40 PM - Edit history (2)

so where do people think he got the funds to develop of all his "properties" for the last decade? His paycheck from "The Apprentice?" His spawn outed them all in 2007-08 with these quotes:

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Traitor Tot is scared shitless of Putin because he knows that he can--and will--ruin him financially if he doesn't toe the line. And he's probably worried about being slipped a Polonium-laced diet Coke if he doesn't do everything in his power to get the sanctions lifted. Pee tape, hell. I'm sure Putin has evidence of at least a decade of money laundering for Russia through Trump Organization "properties." His allegiance has been and always will be with Russia, and not with the United States.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
23. You hit the nail square on the head.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 01:55 PM
Jul 2018

Trump owes Russian interests tons of money from real estate and project deals and lots of money most likely has been laundered. During all those years of secret dealings, it's almost a certainty they have a sizable collection of highly immoral kompromat that will put the Stormy scandal to shame. Trump is not known for maintaining careful security in his use of communications, so they surely have recorded many of his calls and probably had agents watching him for years.

So, it's not surprise he acts so "pro-Russia" since they own him completely.......

calimary

(81,209 posts)
32. And don't forget - the Russians' go-to money launderer at their favorite go-to bank,
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 05:21 PM
Jul 2018

the Bank of Cyprus, is in trump's CABINET!!!!! As Commerce Secretary! That weird little gnome Wilbur Ross was vice chairman of the Bank of Cyprus, and led a takeover of it awhile back.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/23/wilbur-ross-russian-deal-bank-of-cyprus-donald-trump-commerce-secretary

And that's just one person in trump's orbit. There more hot 'n' cold-running Russians coming out of EVERY faucet in the White House! Every rock you turn over in the White House grounds has a Russian hidden underneath it. Russians are coming out of the woodwork in this administration. They're EVERYWHERE.

Indeed, if you want to talk infestations, it's not the brown-skinned immigrants looking for a better or safer life, it's the fucking RUSSIANS infesting the entire executive branch of our government! I am 65 years old. I've been watching presidential campaigns since the 60s. And I have NEVER - EVER - seen ANY campaign by ANY candidate from ANYWHERE, who had this many Russians crawling all over everything and everybody, everywhere.

The Russians absolutely own trump's ass. In fact, I can't help but wonder if the latest poisoning in London was meant as a not-so-subtle hint to trump 'n' comp to behave - or else.

I also think that's why trump hasn't coughed up his tax returns. I bet there are several tons of kompromat in there. If they were all on the up 'n' up, don't you think he'd be eager to show them off? WHY has he kept them under wraps? WHY has he been the only presidential candidate and/or winner who's never released any income tax returns? Even Mitt Romney, who initially didn't want to release his, finally did. And Hillary released a few DECADES' worth of hers and Bill's. And the Bushes never balked either, that I can recall. I don't think Bernie ever released his, but he didn't get as far as the nomination. I suspect he WOULD have played ball, though, if he had become the Democratic nominee. Only trump hasn't. And one simply HAS TO wonder why.

One simply HAS TO wonder what he's hiding. Hell, even Trey Gowdy urged trump to act like someone who's innocent - making it clear that trump isn't doing anything of the kind.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,489 posts)
40. Agree with everything you said, Calimary.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:05 PM
Jul 2018

My bet is this trip to Russia is to pump up his base on how wonderful he feels Russia and Putin is, but we know it's all a ruse. He'll come home and be on Faux's big couch shows and probably hold some more rallies just for that purpose - to normalize the public's perception of Russia, our long-time adversary.

I think it was posted here elsewhere, but just in case you missed it, here's Malcolm Nance's interview with Salon that gives a professional's view of the big picture - and it's frightening as hell:

Link: https://www.salon.com/2018/07/09/malcolm-nance-on-trump-were-on-the-cusp-of-losing-the-american-constitutional-republic-forever/

What's just as frightening as Trump's being compromised is the quantity of money and power that's behind him - political support, financial support, media support, corporate support, criminal MOB support and of course his loyal base.

"Hot 'n' cold-running Russians" LOL - let's hope we can run them off into the Pacific. We must persist and stay positive!...

jalan48

(13,856 posts)
16. He's also an asset to individuals like the Koch Brothers. I think we make a mistake when we
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jul 2018

make it all about Russia. American oligarchs who benefit from Trump's actions need to be put under the microscope as well.

Fla Dem

(23,645 posts)
25. Trump, Bannon, Miller, Manafort, Nunes, Stone, Flynn just to name a few
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 02:03 PM
Jul 2018

I have suspected as being sleeper agents.

I know, I know, conspiracy theories. But it just seems so coincidental, that all these people, with seemingly different paths in life should all come together at the same time and begin to dismantle everything that has stood for America for decades. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell were one too. Some may be sleeper agents, long time supposedly upright American citizens just waiting for the right time to put Putin's plan into action. Others may have been blacked mailed into going along with the plan.

Just take a look at this article published in Politic, definitely not a left leaning publication, in March 2017. Even then things were smelling a bit fishy. Now with all of trump's actions favoring Russia; trashing NATO and the G7, cozying up to NK. It is just so unAmerican and traitorous.

All of Trump’s Russia Ties, in 7 Charts

By MICHAEL CROWLEY March/April 2017

What is the real story of Donald Trump and Russia? The answer is still unclear, and Democrats in Congress want to get to the bottom of it with an investigation. But there’s no doubt that a spider web of connections—some public, some private, some clear, some murky—exists between Trump, his associates and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

These charts illustrate dozens of those links, including meetings between Russian officials and members of Trump’s campaign and administration; his daughter’s ties to Putin’s friends; Trump’s 2013 visit to Moscow for the Miss Universe pageant; and his short-lived mixed martial arts venture with one of Putin’s favorite athletes. The solid lines mark established facts, while dotted ones represent speculative or unproven connections.


There’s nothing inherently damning about most of the ties illustrated below. But they do reveal the vast and mysteriously complex web behind a story that has vexed Trump’s young presidency from its start—and is certain to shake the White House for months to come.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868

bdamomma

(63,836 posts)
26. wow what an article
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 02:18 PM
Jul 2018

this paragraph caught my attention.

Yes, McConnell knew big time.

And if you’re Putin, embarking upon a coveted summit with the most Russophilic president since World War II, who is taking a crowbar to the alliance of your enemies, why wouldn’t you help him in 2018 and 2020? Ever since the fall of 2016, when Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell privately turned down an Obama-administration proposal for a bipartisan warning to Russia not to interfere in the election, the underlying dynamic has been set: Most Republicans would rather win an election with Putin’s help than lose one without it. The Democrats, brimming with rage, threaten to investigate Russian activity if they win a chamber of Congress this November. For Putin to redouble his attack — by hacking into voting machines or some other method — would be both strategic and in keeping with his personality. Why stop now?

they should throw them all in prison.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,171 posts)
29. I hope Democrats win the House back, and then start working on election tampering immediately
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jul 2018

Although with States having the right to oversee their own elections, I'm not sure what a federal body can do. But there must be something. Surely there must be some federal oversight allowed for a federal election. Sorry, I'm from Canada where that concept is an obvious given.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,171 posts)
28. If the lie is big enough, or in this case, if the treason is big enough
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 02:29 PM
Jul 2018

It must not be true.
And the MSM is falling right into that trap.

Takket

(21,555 posts)
38. Read the whole thing, very worthwhile read.
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 08:43 PM
Jul 2018

My favorite paragraph................

"Russian intelligence gains influence in foreign countries by operating subtly and patiently. It exerts different gradations of leverage over different kinds of people, and uses a basic tool kit of blackmail that involves the exploitation of greed, stupidity, ego, and sexual appetite. All of which are traits Trump has in abundance."

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