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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe are losing a Senate seat and it seems as if no one cares!
Rick Scott, the gov. of FL is leading over Bill Nelson, by 3 points at Real Clear Politics now. I've seen advertisements for Scott on the TV attacking Nelson and when I called Nelson's campaign office I am told that they are not even going to start advertising until August.
I even posted in the Florida group here about the problem and it doesn't even get 5 frigging votes!
What the Hell are we fighting for if we just sit by while a Rethug who stole more money from Medicare than anyone else in Medicare's history, (whose company had to pay back 1.7 BILLION DOLLARS) , who allowed people to die in FL rather than extend Medicaid, ushered FL into 48th place in health care, refused federal dollars for the needy and for seniors in the state, and walks around with an A+ rating from the NRA, steals the election from a Democrat?????????????
Seriously why isn't anyone doing anything about this? We need the billboards!!!! We need the highway signs!!!!! We need the advertisements!!!!!!!
Somewhere along the way I turned into a 60 years old woman with a bad back. I can't do the same things I did in the past. We need younger people doing things. And we need people with some cash to invest in our Senate.
iscooterliberally
(2,860 posts)Unfortunately I voted against Scott twice for governor, but he still got in. At least we're not running another Republican against him this time, so we have that going for us I guess.
Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)In case youve missed it over the past seven-plus years, Gov. Rick Scott wants to talk about jobs. Jobs, jobs, jobs. Its been a winning mantra for him twice.
What he doesnt want to talk about especially not this week is his environmental record.
You see, Scott has the habit of becoming an environmentalist every time an election rolls around. The rest of the time? Not so much. OK, not at all. And for whatever reason, the majority of voters ignore what their eyes are telling them about the state of Floridas environment Lake Okeechobee being Exhibit A and believe our governor, who critics have appropriately dubbed an election-year environmentalist.
Even while he has a list of faulty, often untrue facts at the ready should anyone bring up his environmental record on the campaign trail like his record environmental funding (not true) or his opposition to offshore drilling (also not true) this is a week when Scott doesnt want to go near the subject. Reason? Just look at Lake Okeechobee. The 740-acre lake, the second-largest landlocked freshwater lake in the U.S. (Lake Michigan is the biggest), is 90 percent covered in green algae. Yes, its 2016 all over again the last time a major algae bloom was spawned on Lake Okeechobee. That year, because the Army Corps of Engineers had to release rising waters in the lake so its famed Hoover Dike wouldnt break, the algae smothered much of the southeast and southwest Florida coastlines, killing fish, wildlife, sea grasses and, uh oh, businesses.
Well, its deja vu all over again. The Army Corps suspended water releases for nine days recently, but with the rainy season here they have no choice but to resume them or risk a catastrophe of biblical proportions if the dike broke.
You just cant hide from 700-plus acres of algae, can you governor?
olegramps
(8,200 posts)I can't believe how Scott was ever elected, but I guess Republicans will vote for a crook before they will ever vote for an honest Democrat.
Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)dameatball
(7,395 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)HAB911
(8,867 posts)dem4decades
(11,269 posts)it's starting to look like the majority of voters are just assholes.
Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)I think most people in FL don't know how many people have died because Rick Scott refused to extend Medicaid.
These are the things that Bill Nelson needs to be explaining to people. I don't even think he is campaigning!!!!
I am so damn mad.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)even well-educated people.
Chickensoup
(650 posts)Main job of the party leadership .
Every time I write that I get attacked.
I think the leadership are hoping for
A mueller Hail Mary.
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Phoenix61
(16,993 posts)I think it's smart for Nelson to wait until August then hit it hard until the election. People have the attention span of gnats.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Total waste of money to advertise now.
7962
(11,841 posts)But they'll run a million of 'em
sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)Peoples are on vacation and whatnot.
August-September would be a good time for him to get the ball really rolling.
Here's hoping they are confident with their strategy.
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Danascot
(4,690 posts)Most Republicans will vote for Snot. Undecideds typically wait until the last minute to decide, even deciding in the voting booth, so a big last minute push for ads is critical to get to them.
I don't like it either but that's the USA for ya.
UrbScotty
(23,980 posts)in the summer of 2006 here in Michigan.
She won by 16 points.
elmac
(4,642 posts)most are apolitical, though all are progressives that hate tRump and everything he stands for. I do my best to get them more involved but they are too busy trying to pay for college, rent, video games
treestar
(82,383 posts)To matter most.
Midnight Writer
(21,717 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,217 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)we wouldn't be in this mess.
Some have learned from their dreadful mistakes of 2016, but way too many clearly have not. And if they haven't by now, as they should have by observing the horrifying signs of fascism grow on the right, what would suggest those ever will?
Garion_55
(1,915 posts)id wait till about 3 days before election to go crazy on advertising.
but probably a couple months is better.
id wait just to see what happens with trump the next few months and incorporate that into the advertising.
No Vested Interest
(5,164 posts)We surely want to keep that Democratic Senator for Florida.
And I sincerely hope Bill Nelson is the winner.
And, yes, Rick Scott is a crook and scumbag.
However, Bill Nelson comes across, at least via TV, as a lackluster, boring person.
I'm appalled whenever I see him on TV, about to fall asleep and put his audience to sleep.
I agree that billboards and highway signs would help his campaign.
And any number of young, energetic Dem. officeholders and candidates to get people fired up.
County Dem leadership may have to take over and get the ball moving for Bill Nelson.
We can't afford to lose that FL Democratic Senate Seat.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)He will win if any Florida Democratic Candidate can.
Plus the republicans are looking to hand us the Governor by nominating DeShitos a right wing tool which is not popular in this purple state. If they nominate Putnam I cant see us winning. But their racist trump base will turn out for the racist. A lesson for us.
No Vested Interest
(5,164 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)especially to the likes of Rick Scott - hopefully the blue wave brings it home for us.
Nelson is a good guy, but he probably should've retired and let Dems field some younger/fresher candidate who couldve rallied the Obama coalition better.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)Under no circumstances can we afford for FL to go the way of OH and IA, which are more populist and whiter states.
FL is a diverse state w/several large metro areas, is not populist/protectionist - the type of state that should lean somewhat blue by now.
BannonsLiver
(16,313 posts)Give it another 10 years and itll be Mississippi or Utah. Yeah, I dont get it either. Only explanation is the continued influx of angry, entitled older white people in places like the villages.
I see no way Nelson holds on to his seat TBH. If I had a million dollars Id bet every nickel on Scott.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Florida reported 36% self-identified conservatives and 25% self-identified liberals in the 2016 presidential exit poll. That is the only category that matters toward classifying a state, even if almost nobody focuses on it.
The national breakdown was 36%-27%. That keeps Florida exactly where it has been, as a slightly red-leaning state. Trump managed great numbers in the rural Florida counties but overall the state was very familiar.
Florida is 62% white and 38% non-white in the voter turnout, which makes it completely unlike Utah. Mississippi is heavily black but the percentage of self-identified conservatives is much higher than Florida.
Anyway, this race worries me but Scott narrowly won twice with a huge national tilt in his favor. Now the tilt is the other way but Scott is undeniably more popular than 2010 or 2014. I would project a narrow outcome for Nelson at this point.
There's no question Rick Scott's past is not well known by most Floridians. Now that he's been in office 8 years it doesn't carry as much weight anyway. It will be interesting to see what Nelson spotlights about Scott, once Nelson is on the air.
BannonsLiver
(16,313 posts)Unfortunately it doesnt change the reality that Scott will win, nor does it change the reality that FL is trending right. As someone else said, Nelson should have retired.
Feel free to bookmark. I would love to be wrong.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Nelson is well known and well liked in the population centers where votes come from. Plus, there is a massive push here to register Dem leaning voters. A lot of Dem voters are on vacations. Too early to worry.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)OTOH Scott won his two statewide races against relatively weak opponents by less than two points in Republican leaning years.
soryang
(3,299 posts)The white voters are for the most part politically ignorant. As long as they have a "smart phone," a cable connection and a roof over their heads, they'll vote for republicans. Even when totally dependent on the VA, Social Security, and disability, they feel secure enough to vote for the war mongering, austerity hawks, who intend to bankrupt the very programs that benefit them and their families directly. Polling place scams and vote rigging are fairly common here as well. I have zero confidence in elections here. Even the professional people like lawyers and doctors who fancy themselves as the elite consistently vote republican.
In the urban areas where there are significant minority communities, count on the early balloting having only one or two voting machines and long lines. Same on voting day. Absentee ballots pretty much disappear if they are not fraudulently collected and delivered to the election office in violation of the law. Good luck with elections in Florida. Good luck finding people with cash to bet on the on the outcome in this state.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Honestly, I have not been following state races outside of Soecial elections that RandySF posts. I know who I will vote for in the Dem primary for Governor and who I will vote for in my US Rep Dem primary, I even know who I will vote for for county judge. I will vote for Nelson in the primary simply to vote for him. November is when it counts, I am and always vote for all Dem. I am not concerned with Scott having a tiny lead, we have not opened up on him yet.
rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)yes, racism and ignorance. I've lived here for decades in various professional and occupational roles. I've lived and worked in different cities in Florida, and traveled widely all over the country. Places like Alabama and Mississippi are probably worse, but not much worse than Florida in terms of overt and institutionalized racism. The electoral system here is corrupt. The penal system is a joke, and insurance companies run the government. Remember Gore v. Bush? Typical Florida corruption. Nothing has been done to eliminate electoral corruption in this state. But now we have burdersome voter ID laws in addition to all the other electoral scams going on.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:33 PM - Edit history (1)
Alabama and Mississippi are probably worse. Are you just trolling?
We voted for president Obama both times. We passed an amendment making partisan gerrymandering illegal in 2016. We have a real chance to capture the governor and the state Senate.
Carry on.
soryang
(3,299 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:36 AM - Edit history (2)
I can see the results of the electoral processes there from these numbers.
alabama legis 27 rep 7 dem Senate
House rep 70 dem 32
Gov Republican since 2003.
US senators 1 rep 1 dem
US representatives 6 reps 1 dem
2012 Mitt Romney won the election in Alabama with 60.55% of the vote. Barack Obama received 38.36% of the vote.
In the five presidential elections between 2000 and 2016, Alabama voted Republican all five times.
Donald Trump won the election in Alabama with 62.1% of the vote. Hillary Clinton received 34.4% of the vote.[1]
Mississippi
senate 32 Rep 20 dem
house 72 rep 48 dem
gov rep since 2004
US senators 2 rep
US represenatatives 3 rep 1 dem
2016 Percentage Trump 57.9% Hillary 40.1%
2012 Romney and Ryan won Mississippi with 55.3% of the popular vote to Obama's and Biden's 43.8%,
2008 McCain won over Obama Percentage 56.2% 43.0%
Good luck.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)Those two states haven't given their votes to a Democratic presidential candidate since 1976.
obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)Educate yourself.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)He is being strategic with his money and waiting until summer vacation is over, and hitting hard from August on.
Scott barely beat Charlie Crist.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)But hey, I don't listen to polls.
FloridaBlues
(4,006 posts)SkatmanRoth
(843 posts)Bill Nelson has not lost the election. He is wise to hold back on spending until he can reach the most voters. Right now Florida is at the height of tourist season, and politics is not a matter of concern. After Labor day the tourists go home and the residents start looking to what is happening locally.
Plus in the mean time, Rick Snott has every opportunity to have a faux pas (and he has a knack for botching things up).
FloridaBlues
(4,006 posts)I agree most people don't pay attention until early fall, except for us political junkies.
obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)Not the Keys, but Orlando, Tampa, and we have a lot going on in SOFL, too. The snowbirds are gone, but the summer folks are here.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)get Republicans to notice Scott for the primary as it is campaigning for the general election. He wants to be seen as the guy going after the scary Democrat. That's about all he may accomplish. It's a somewhat puzzling strategy actually.
obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)And then show pix of him in his military uniform to show how old and long it has been -- HIS MILITARY UNIFORM WHEN HE WAS IN VIETNAM!!!!!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)I hope.
genxlib
(5,518 posts)I fear that Voldamort Scott will be the next Senator of Florida.
The GOP has shown a distinct willingness to use the strings of power to favor one of their own.
Hurricane Irma was just one long commercial for Scott. You couldn't find a station that didn't have his ugly mug taking credit for everything that was happening in every jurisdiction. A simple statement about coordinating with FEMA to get supplies where they need to be suddenly becomes credit for everything FEMA is doing. The fact that this was a state wide event made for a captive audience for him to overcome 7 years of disregard and show that he "really did care" about us after all.
The final straw for me was about waiving the tolls on the Florida Turnpike. There is a legitimate reason for doing that during an evacuation but the roads stayed free for 10 days after landfall. All that time, there were message boards blaring "TOLLS SUSPENDED BY ORDER OF THE GOVERNOR". That is an expensive advertisement paid for by State coffers.
Nelson is good on policy but is seriously challenged on charisma. To be a senior Senator from one of the largest state, he has had surprisingly little profile. I am afraid he is going to get booted.
The Mouth
(3,145 posts)Give the devil his due. Just because he's corrupt as all get out, has no soul and curdles milk by his very presence doesn't mean he is unaware of how to win an election
rockfordfile
(8,699 posts)Response was one of the worst in long time. Power was out for weeks.
obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)Cary
(11,746 posts)Maybe they don't get reflected in the polling?
secondwind
(16,903 posts)Ghost of Tom Joad
(1,354 posts)Remember the parkland students are here they are active and eager to vote
mcar
(42,278 posts)It's summer. Most people are not yet paying attention, and the ads are really annoying.
In the meantime, Nelson is all over the state and using his Senate seat to at least try to help Floridians.
If you are not following him on Twitter, I recommend it. He's on the ground interacting with people.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Scott's team is adopting a really wasteful strategy right now.
mcar
(42,278 posts)And that's in the weeks prior to the election. This early? Burnout.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Attack ads early help at defining a candidate that most people really don't know much about. In the summer of 2012, Obama's campaign was merciless in its attacks on Romney and Bain and it stuck...but only because most Americans really didn't know much about Romney beyond the fact he was rich and Mormon.
Thing is, Florida knows Nelson. There ain't no defining him. So, attacking this early is wasting money.
mcar
(42,278 posts)obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)And also during and after Irma -- he was more on the ground after the 'cane than Scott.
He is also ex military.
BannonsLiver
(16,313 posts)I guess nobody remembers the ad with Romney singing Oh beautiful that ran ad nauseum throughout the summer of 2012?
Heres a refresher:
This was Obamas team defining Romney for the electorate which is what Scott and his crew are trying to do to Nelson. I dont buy the hey lets sit on our asses all summer because we think voters will reward us mantra. Show me where that has ever worked. And it doesnt matter one iota that Florida voters already know Nelson, just in case anyone was going to reach for that card.
mcar
(42,278 posts)Nelson is not a new face. Floridians already know him.
BannonsLiver
(16,313 posts)Show me where I said Nelson was a fresh face? Romney wasnt either, he had run before, and yet, the Obama team successfully defined him in 2012.
Sitting on your ass all summer is no way to win in November I dont give AF who you are.
mcar
(42,278 posts)And why the hostility?
As I said earlier, Nelson is appearing all over the state - take a look at his Twitter feed. I think that's a more effective strategy right now then simply running ads.
obamanut2012
(26,047 posts)"Sitting on your ass" -- just stop.
OldManTarHeel
(435 posts)What more do you really expect . . ?
samnsara
(17,605 posts)SunSeeker
(51,516 posts)Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)Scott is facing a primary challenger on August 28 (okay a pathetic one) and meaningful campaigning doesn't really begin until after that. Entrenched voters aren't going to be swayed by any advertising regardless of timing, and undecideds won't make up their minds until the last moment. Scott's strategy isn't the wisest use of his resources at this point.
Watch Nelson's voter contact strategy kick in to high gear as the summer draws to a close. Polling at this point is virtually meaningless. Nelson's no dummy. His ground game has always been done well. I suspect his team knows exactly what they are doing. Have faith!
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Democrats are registering a lot of new voters down here. People that profile out as democratic votes. Nelson is a willy fox, Scott is the one that should be sweating. Nelson has not opened up his cannons yet, Scott is blasting away and leads by only 3?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)This is very early.
I'll have to read up on this. Maybe Nelson is short of money? Or maybe he has a strategy that emphasizes the several months before the election?
kimbutgar
(21,056 posts)I dont think they are going to vote for Scott and there are enough 18 years in the state but the Puerto Ricans who are displaced. I want to be more optimistic. And who knows by October what state this country will be in!
budkin
(6,699 posts)bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Nelson will get my vote as will Powell in District 26.
I voted a straight Democratic ticket in Texas...I'm not changing my practices now...
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)I would guess not a lot of cubans and all other latinos would vote for republicans anymore. And thats a significant number. Those who voted for trump and got a taste of racism by now would likely vote blue?
tavernier
(12,369 posts)Along with my vote I can guarantee the votes of every teacher at the school where I work. Teachers hate Voldemort (what they all call him).
Gothmog
(144,939 posts)Rick Scott was on the air constantly with commercials about term limits. These ads were weak but were on the air constantly. So far Scott has not pulled away from Nelson.
Money does not always win races and we will see if Scott can buy this race.
progressoid
(49,951 posts)Since DU regularly berates them as lazy, no-good, whippersnappers, you won't find many young people here.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)I put my name in on his campaign web site as being willing to volunteer but have heard nothing.
As it is I would probably not be able to do much volunteer work - and definitely no door to door stuff. Wednesday I get an MRI to find out how much L5 the disc I fractured nearly forty years ago is impinging on my nerves. Then I will find out from the surgeon if he thinks he can stabilize the disc so I am no longer in the constant pain I've had the last two months since I shifted the pieces around..
At 66, I empathize with you. Getting old sucks. The mind is willing but the body is unable.
Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)anymore without hobbling over to the couch and lying down after 10 minutes. I keep threatening to get surgery but I've been told different things about how much relief they think it can give me
csziggy
(34,131 posts)And just dealt with the intermittent pain until now. But until last month I didn't realize I had broken my back!
After my MRI tomorrow I'll talk to the doctor about surgery. One of my friends had all sorts of stuff done to her back by the same doctor. While it took her nearly a year to get back in shape she is no longer in constant pain. The ARNP with the back doctor said they do minimally invasive surgery so I wouldn't have to heal from a big incision (hopefully).
I'm in a holding pattern until the MRI. I have just over a year before we leave on our big trip to the UK and have told the doctors I HAVE to be fixed, healed, rehabbed, and in shape before we get on the ship to go over!
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)From cutting social security to Medicare....won't play well in Florida. I wouldn't be handwringing right now
mwooldri
(10,301 posts)Brexit. Trump. Tory governments.
If I believed opinion polls were good, we'd have no Brexit, a President Gore, a President Hillary Clinton, and many years of successful Labour or LibDem/Labour governments in the UK.
In an alternate reality, we could have had President Gore 2000-2008, John McCain 2008-2012, Hillary Clinton 2012-2020. That is assuming the real election went the way of opinion polls.
But opinion polls are opinion polls. Take them with a huge grain of salt.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)He got clobbered in the second debate.
He did make up some ground in the final week, but Bush was still slightly favored on the eve of Election Day.
And Obama was also way up in 2008. The final opinion polls correctly predicted his margin of victory.
In 2016 HRC was well on her way to victory IMO. But Comey turned that entire election upside down at the end. I actually think the polls might have understated her lead because they overstated the performance of the 3rd party candidates.
Demsrule86
(68,469 posts)peekaloo
(22,977 posts)Florida's water woes. Made me laugh considering he can no longer blame Obama. The environment has suffered under both him and career politician Opie Putnam and I hope it comes back to bite both of them in their smug asses. As others above have pointed out most people don't pay attention until after the summer's over. I've seen a couple of positive PAC ads for Nelson which are a nice balance against Scott's "humorous" shots at his opponents age and "lack of accomplishments".
pstokely
(10,523 posts)where do the snowbirds vote?
Maraya1969
(22,462 posts)they tend to be more Republican don't they? I hate to even say it but she is, although she sees how bad Trump is now.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Also, the registration #s from PRican transplants to Miami and other areas should help.
xmas74
(29,671 posts)July is for focus on summer primaries. Come late August you'll see blowback.
Better to keep your cards close to your vest.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)By 6 not long ago.
Polls suck.
Just vote.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)People are on vacation and want a break from the news.
JohnnyRingo
(18,619 posts)In a fight for the issues, Nelson wins hands down, but there's barely a faint heartbeat between them on vibrant personality.
Unfortunately, Scott presents a more young & vital visage on a poster. That's all too important in an election, I'm sorry to say.
joet67
(624 posts)I can change my voter registration to Florida if I thought it would help. But my home state senator a Donnelly needs help too. I really dont know what to do.
bearsfootball516
(6,373 posts)If I was Scott, I'd be pretty worried about what's going to happen when Nelson kicks it into gear.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)From redish-purple Texas, I'm actually hopeful for the first time since.. well, I don't remember when.
There's a real chance I will have both a Senator and a Representative.. representing me.. who shares my political views!!!!
I went to Lizzie Fletcher's campaign kick off and have already canvassed 32 homes on my MiniVAN assignment.
I've also volunteered for Beto O'rourke's Senate campaign, but haven't gotten a MiniVAN assignment group yet.
I've maxed out my personal donations to both for this year as well
It's going to be a hard ass fight in this state, but damned if I'm not going to do every f'ng thing I can to help these 2 into office. First time I can recall even feeling hopeful that it can actually be done here.
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)Nelson's team is doing the right thing. Voters have a short memory. All of Scott's advertising today will be forgotten by August. Few will be swayed. Ads can change the voters' minds at the last minute in close elections. Money spent by Nelson now to outpace Scott's advertising today will be wasted. Then, Nelson may not have enough cash to hit back hard later in the campaign.
The correct thing to do is wait until almost the last minute and bombard with effective ads.
This is how the Prop 8 debacle in California happened. Prop 8 was polling behind by almost 10 points for most of the campaign. Then in the last 2 weeks, that margin gradually closed and Prop 8 passed by a few points in the end. That build up of support for Prop 8 coincided with a ramp up of advertising and lawn signs during the last 2 weeks of the campaign.
brooklynite
(94,360 posts)You didn't say what YOU were doing. You didn't say what anyone else SHOULD do. You didn't say what YOU had posted to stir discussion. You just complained.
I've met with Nelson, and am supporting him financially. It's a challenging race, but it's not unwinnable, and whining about it here isn't going to accomplish much.