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Archae

(46,301 posts)
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 07:57 PM Jul 2018

Jehovah's Witness leader warns members to destroy evidence of child abuse claims because 'Satan's co

Yup, when all else fails, blame a fictional bad guy.

A leader in the Jehovah’s Witnesses community, Shaun Bartlett, who currently oversees record management told a group of elders to destroy all records because “Satan’s coming after us, and he’s going to go for us legally."

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/jehovahs-witness-leader-warns-members-destroy-evidence-child-abuse-claims-satans-coming/

I can't remember, what comedian used to use "The Devil made me do it!" as a catchphrase?

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Jehovah's Witness leader warns members to destroy evidence of child abuse claims because 'Satan's co (Original Post) Archae Jul 2018 OP
Flip Wilson? CanonRay Jul 2018 #1
Geraldine. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #3
Yes, Flip Wilson csziggy Jul 2018 #5
Now I remember. Archae Jul 2018 #6
I wasn't 100% sure CanonRay Jul 2018 #8
Not so early for me but it's coming. keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #11
Sounds like there is a big stink coming. dhol82 Jul 2018 #2
So THATS who the witness is. underpants Jul 2018 #4
Attack of Satan? Tom Harley Jul 2018 #7
Welcome to DU! moriah Jul 2018 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author backtoblue Jul 2018 #10
welcome to DU gopiscrap Jul 2018 #13
God won't notice the destroyed records? keithbvadu2 Jul 2018 #12

Tom Harley

(8 posts)
7. Attack of Satan?
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 08:46 PM
Jul 2018

The reason they have whatever records they do is that they sought to investigate this evil when others did not. Should they destroy anything, it puts them on par with those who never were proactive.

Seen in this light, it is indeed 'Satan coming after them.' It is a classic example of the cynicism 'No good deed goes unpunished.'

moriah

(8,311 posts)
9. Welcome to DU!
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:41 PM
Jul 2018

Sadly, churches often think that the Matthew 18 duty to investigate and discipline "sin" amongst each other is incompatible with Romans 13, which demands that all submit to governing authorities as they have been given the sword of justice, not the Church.

There'd be nothing to fear from records kept if each church had obeyed mandated reporting requirements in the first place. Ordering their destruction suggests they, like the Catholic Church and the Duggars home church, tried to resolve reportable events internally without submitting properly to government authority when it comes to mandatory reporting.

If you like, read Russell Moore's excellent explanation of why internal investigations/church discipline cannot replace mandated reporting of any form of child abuse.

https://www.russellmoore.com/2015/05/22/what-should-the-duggar-scandal-teach-the-church/

The first step is to recognize that sexual abuse is not merely sexual immorality. Sexual immorality, any sexual contact outside the bounds of covenantal marriage, is sin and comes under the just condemnation of God’s law. Immorality is a matter of a sin against God and, usually, sin against others—a spouse, the other party, and so forth. Immorality, by itself, is dealt with in terms of a call to repentance and the sort of discipleship it takes to overcome sinful patterns by the power of the Spirit and, where possible, to restore broken relationships.

Sexual abuse is immoral, but it is far more than just sexual. Sexual abuse is an act of violence, in which one leverages power to sexually violate the helpless. The resulting aftermath is not just a guilty conscience awaiting judgment on the part of the perpetrator, but a victim who has been assaulted. Sexual abuse is not just a sin but also a crime, not just a matter of personal unrighteousness on the part of the perpetrator but also a matter of public injustice.

This means that sexual abuse in the context of the church must be handled in terms of both authorities responsible—both the church and the state. The state has been given the sword of justice to wield against those who commit crimes (Rom. 13:1-7). The church has no such sword (Matt. 26:51-53). This means that the immediate response to allegations of sexual abuse is to call the civil authorities, to render unto Caesar the responsibility that belongs to Caesar to investigate the crime. The church may or may not know the truth of the allegations, but it is the God-ordained prerogative of the civil authorities to discover such matters and to prosecute accordingly. When faced with a question of potential sexual abuse, call the authorities without delay.

The church’s role is not to replace the police power of the state, but to deal with the spiritual issues involved. Excommunication is no replacement for incarceration. The sins and crimes here involve two different spheres, and both should be engaged in stopping such. If an offender is a member of a congregation, the church must investigate the situation and follow through with biblical discipline but this does not replace the responsibility to alert the civil authorities. The church can speak to the soul of the offender and to the outside world about how seriously the church takes the horrific evil of sexual abuse, but the church cannot restrain evil through coercive power; only the civil realm can do that. If the church does not cooperate with the law, and with the police power of the law, in protecting the vulnerable, the church is in defiance against the ordinances of God himself.


Enjoy your stay!

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