A view of what would happen if Kavanaugh is confirmed

[Quixote1818]

[joshcryer]

1. What the Republicans think will happen:

[Demsrule86]

2. He will be confirmed.

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There is no way to stop him since voters basically betrayed us in 16. They could have voted down ballot but no...they chose to state their fellow Americans in the back...and there is nothing to do about it...Dems are not weak, they were stripped of their power by the clueless voter...so now we have a conservative court that will be in place for a generation...sucks to be Jill Stein, Nina Turner, Susan Sarandon and any who helped do this...it is on them.

[EllieBC]

3. Clueless idealists who did not listen to Obama's speech at Howard.

Maybe if more had heard or read the transcript this wouldn't have happened.

From his speech, "You have to go through life with more than just passion for change; you need a strategy. I'll repeat that. I want you to have passion, but you have to have a strategy. Not just awareness, but action. Not just hashtags, but votes.....And your plan better include voting -- not just some of the time, but all the time."

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/obamas-howard-commencement-transcript-222931

[Demsrule86]

12. That is so true.

[VOX]

14. Thanks for linking that. It's beautiful and sobering...

and a little bit sad, reading words of sanity again from a concerned human being, a gifted man (and imperfect, as are we all) who has always existed in reality and in the present time.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

4. Respectfully Dems...

Why straight for the throat on "the voters'? WE DID NOT VOTE HIM IN. HRC won. The Russians tipped the election. PLEASE FOR GODS SAKE stop with the voter shaming. PLEASE. By the time it's done, folks are going to be so beaten down and bedraggled by folks who blame them for what they DIDN'T DO, that everyone gives up. Putin and TRUMP did this. PERIOD. Make them pay w comments. Not us. To beat the dead horse that is the 2/3rds of America who voted for HRC does a massive disservice to those of us who voted for a history making president again....A WOMAN. You have no proof it was true honest voting that got this imbecile elected and several prosecutions and indictments that say different. That's hard proof.
I Beg you and others to stop saying this type of mantra. It's not helpful nor does it cast any hope.
Susan Sarandon wasn't in russia...as much as she bugs me. Jill stein was the dupe. I get it. PLEASE from my perspective...stop voter shaming. For all your wisdom, you seem to fold easy. I'm not being critical of you, just asking you for some introspection. Life sucks for all of us now. You give the ignorant dt voter WAY too much power. Just my opinion. And it's sufficiently qualified to not make you angry.

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. +1000000!

[Demsrule86]

11. Our children will not have decent healthcare, our environment will be trashed and God knows

what else will happen...already you have babies in cages...and you can give Sarandon ET AL a pass if you choose, I will never do so. And I would add, all the excuses made for her ( also Stein) and those who didn't vote for Hillary are of no interest to me. I have seen this show before.

[Demsrule86]

10. No, enough people didn't vote that the election was close enough to steal...those who didn't vote

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for Hillary brought this on us...that is just the truth...and I still hear those sort of posts today...if Democrats don't then....fill in the blank. We can't stop the judicial nominee and blaming our Democratic elected that were knee capped in 16 is foolish and unfair. As for Susan Sarandon...she was also involved in 2000 as were the Greens ...so much damage from this. And this time it will be worse...we have lost a shot at most progressive policy including but not limited to medicare for all/single payer because of these people, and I will never forgive them or give them any sort of a pass.

[RandomAccess]

5. No, we can fight this --

Read this. It CAN be done -- but it will require effort.

The 2-Step Strategy to Win the Supreme Court Fight
https://www.indivisible.org/resource/2-step-strategy-win-supreme-court-fight/

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

6. Right on!

[Demsrule86]

8. It won't work and could cost us the House and the Senate in the midterms.

[Demsrule86]

7. I read that...but if red state Democrats vote against the nominee...some will lose their

bid for re-election and then, Trump has enough votes to put anyone he wants in later and to destroy other programs...and it is unlikely that either Collins or Murkowski will vote with us. We lost any chance to stop nominees when those who voted their 'conscience' didn't vote for Democrats at least down ballot. You expect Dems to do the impossible.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

13. Sorry Dems..

But you yourself are the one whos 'go to retort" is beating on the Dems. You say good stuff usually, but, of late its a gut punch to dems who voted and you fail to recognize that the entire nation could've voted dem if the votes aren't counted right bc of voting box software, then why is it the Dems fault? The gop cheated and russia helped. WE DID elect Hillary. I guess I'm tired of the knee jerk reaction from you that its the dem voters fault, even when others cheat. That's my opinion, not going to argue w you about it, but, as a dem...I'm tired of these types of post-election lectures from folks who refrain from putting the blame where it's due. I strongly disagree w your approach of late. One things for sure...you turn off a LOT of people who made a big effort to vote dem last election, and got disheartened bc it didn't matter. The same folks you rely on to come out again. Just asking you to spread the guilt around and where it belongs...russia and dt.
Dance w the one who brung you Dems. Take the fight and the lecture to the folks responsible and who cheated.I voted for the REAL president, HRC. And I took the day off work to do it. I'm not going to discuss this anymore. Please see my tagline. And, have yourself a great day.
We can do better.

[Demsrule86]

17. We know how many votes were cast for Stein in important areas that Trump won.

She campaigned there... so I am sorry you don't agree with me...but those voters who did this will feel fine about doing it again if they can find some other reason for the terrible outcome....there another reason...no doubt the Russians fed this ' Hillary is horrible' meme but ...when all is said and done, voters made the decision. Democrats must vote for Democrats in every election, including midterms or we we lose it all.

[RandomAccess]

15. No, I expect Dems to fight -- including you

And it would help if they quit bleating about the past. Including you.

Do you REALLY think I don't know about those Red State Dems??? How insulting.

Here, read this:

CNN’s political strategist breaks down perfect reason no red-state Democrat should support Trump’s SCOTUS nominee 09 Jul 2018 at 16:43 ET https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142105114
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During a conversation with CNN’s Jake Tapper, Begala said that it’s an “easy” decision and there is no question, any Democrat in a red-leading state or district should oppose whomever the nominee happens to be.

“Here’s why,” Begala began. “No Republican paid a price at all at the polls for opposing Merrick Garland, who was President [Barack] Obama’s moderate choice. A moderate nominee of a popular president, they opposed him in lockstep and nobody suffered.”
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“So, you’re not going to gain a single vote supporting this nominee as a Democrat in a red state,” he continued. “If you do support it, you lose the Democrats. So, I think it’s actually an easy vote, not a difficult one. I’m glad they’re going — they should hear him out. I think terrific, the American way. But the politics are actually not hard for the red state Democrats.

In many red states, Democrats often believe that they have to persuade conservatives to vote for them rather than to invest in getting out the vote for their own base. Republicans, by contrast, get their base to the polls and attack their opposition.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/cnns-political-strategist-explains-perfect-reason-no-red-state-democrat-support-trumps-scotus-nominee/

I faxed those 4 Senators last night as soon as I read they weren't attending Trump's announcement and asked them to continue their resistance and not vote for the nominee.

What did you do?

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[Demsrule86]

18. I do not believe this is a fight we can win first of all. You will not get Collins or

Murkowski...and sacrificing Senate and house seats for a doomed effort ensures that Trump remains in power for two more years without checks of any sort. It is foolish to even contemplate that. We need to go after the Senate and red state Dems must win their elections in order for us to have a fighting chance.

[RandomAccess]

16. And oh, btw

This is SO IMPORTANT that if they DO lose their seat, it will have been worth it.

Because as I see it, as strong a feminist as I am, Roe is NOT the most important thing we stand to lose.

We literally stand to lose our democracy entirely. If Trump gets to appoint someone who already has said Presidents shouldn't be hassled with little things like being held to the law, Trump will have nothing to fear from Mueller, and will set about installing his kleptocratic dictatorial oligarchic regime with all due haste.

WE ARE ON THE BRINK of losing it -- and with Congress not carrying its weight to hold him accountable, if we lose the courts (and we've already lost a BUNCH of Federal courts now), we'll lose everything

It's important -- way beyond Roe (altho Roe has larger consequences than most people know or understand).

[Demsrule86]

19. It is worth it ? Really...and when Trump nominates another candidate for SCOTUS, you

can't stop him because you have less Senators... and he can enact other hateful policy as well...the Senate is the only check we have on Trump. We lose 3 or 4 red state Senators, it is over. He still gets a SCOTUS pick and he can do even more damage...God forbid we also lose our chance at taking the house because this energized Trump voters and they show up. We cannot win this fight.

[RandomAccess]

22. If that happens, it won't make any real difference.

If you behave like you have less Senators now, what fucking difference does it make??

[Demsrule86]

26. The reason it helps is because those red state Democrats have stopped some of Trump's shit...

we lose them and don't get the house...you haven't even seen bad...two years of Trump doing anything he wants. And if we don't get the Senate, even if we win the presidency, we won't get to name judges. consider that we can't have a majority in the Senate without redstate Democrats. This our reality... I don't like it either.

[Demsrule86]

27. Also, maybe if we work really hard, we can take the Senate and the House....that shuts

Trump down...that is a battle worth waging.

[RandomAccess]

31. IF we work real hard we can shut down Kavanaugh AND take the House & Senate

Did you READ THIS??????

https://www.indivisible.org/resource/2-step-strategy-win-supreme-court-fight/


And did you read this --

CNN’s political strategist breaks down perfect reason no red-state Democrat should support Trump’s SCOTUS nominee 09 Jul 2018 at 16:43 ET https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142105114
.............................
During a conversation with CNN’s Jake Tapper, Begala said that it’s an “easy” decision and there is no question, any Democrat in a red-leading state or district should oppose whomever the nominee happens to be.
“Here’s why,” Begala began. “No Republican paid a price at all at the polls for opposing Merrick Garland, who was President [Barack] Obama’s moderate choice. A moderate nominee of a popular president, they opposed him in lockstep and nobody suffered.”
...........................
“So, you’re not going to gain a single vote supporting this nominee as a Democrat in a red state,” he continued. “If you do support it, you lose the Democrats. So, I think it’s actually an easy vote, not a difficult one. I’m glad they’re going — they should hear him out. I think terrific, the American way. But the politics are actually not hard for the red state Democrats.
In many red states, Democrats often believe that they have to persuade conservatives to vote for them rather than to invest in getting out the vote for their own base. Republicans, by contrast, get their base to the polls and attack their opposition.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/07/cnns-political-strategist-explains-perfect-reason-no-red-state-democrat-support-trumps-scotus-nominee/

[Demsrule86]

32. We will lose redstate Democrats in Trump loving areas...we have limited number of GOP

seats to poach. We can't afford to lose any and take the Senate...this could also affect the House. We could lose both...sure I read the article, and I don't agree with it.

[RandomAccess]

33. No. We. Won't.

[Demsrule86]

34. We wouldl...and maybe the house too...but now with Collins and Murkowski on board , it doesn't'

matter they have the votes so our people can vote as they need to win election.

[RandomAccess]

35. ROFL This fight is FAR from over

In fact, it hasn't truly begun yet. If you're counting THEIR votes for them, you're on the wrong side.

[Demsrule86]

36. Collins and Murkowski give them the votes they need. What is left?

[RandomAccess]

37. Collins and Murkowski, silly

And we don't know for sure that Flake and Corker are TOTALLY unmovable.

Those votes haven't been cast yet. There's a LONG time between then and now, time that can be productively used to get a lot of momentum going for turning their votes.

This judge is so deeply anti-Roe it's not even funny. We can definitely get Collins' and Murkowski's attention on this. Just wait -- or, if you want to be productive, HELP.

[Demsrule86]

20. We have lost the courts...this is the reality. When Trump won in November of 16,I

wept. My entire family did...I knew this meant at least on SCOTUS pick and probably more. I don't understand that this is such a surprise or shock to so many...didn't you see this coming? We will lose the courts for a generation. Elections have consequences. I see no reason to sacrifice red state Democrats for an unwinnable cause.

[RandomAccess]

23. It's not unwinnable

I see no reason to pretend we don't have Democrats.

[Demsrule86]

25. How do you win? If we lose red state Senators, after the election. Trump names a new nominee...

You think red state Democrats won't pay a price in areas where Trump's numbers are still high like West Virginian if they vote against a Trump nominee? Explain to me how we stop him from getting a nominee at some point...either before or after the election. And what about the House? What do you think will happen if we don't get the House because we are energizing Trump voters with a SCOTUS fight? Trump literally rules for two more years...He governs like a king not a president.

[Demsrule86]

21. Just to reiterate...it we lose Senators...they will merely put someone else up so now

we have fewer Senators to stop Trump's evil shit and we still get a Trump nominee...what have we accomplished? I submit we gain nothing.

[Demsrule86]

24. We will lose Roe in my opinion. All we can do is regroup and fight anew. This ship has sailed.

If we lose redstate Dems...Trump nominates someone else after the election.No one hates this more than me... I almost lost my life after miscarriage because of a pro-life (so called) doctor...I was left infertile...spent weeks in the hospital. No one is more sick about this than me. But, I choose to fight battles that can be won. This isn't one of them. It is possible if we don't blow the Senate now, we can add two justices to the nine when we get back in power...I think that could happen...but we need every Senator we have and more. Now that is a vote worth sacrificing a seat for...this one is not.

[ck4829]

29. "This ship has sailed" I never imagined the response to fascism rising in the US would be defeatism

[Demsrule86]

30. I said fight anew...we have to choose battles we can win.

I am certainly not giving up...most important thing is vote and work to elect Democrats in the midterm.

[workinclasszero]

28. More like this I think............