This night goes out to Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon and others who warned us about Hillary

[RandySF]

I don't know where we would be if they hadn't saved of from a Clinton presidency. *saecasm*

[JHan]

1. I will always rec threads like these...

always.

[RandySF]

4. And I will grind this axe until the day I die

[MFM008]

9. Yup

Agreed

[Cha]

25. And, I will Grind that MF AXE

right there with you, RSF.

Link to tweet

Gothmog(he's gonna be there, too.)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10844082

[Bradshaw3]

49. She's got her money and her fame - what does she care

She's also got the kind of idiotic hubris found in people who aren't nearly as smart or as informed as they think they are. Just like drumpf voters. I used to admire her for her talent and fights for people less fortunate. Piss on her and everyone who voted for Jill Stein, didn't vote, etc. They have hurt so many people who are suffering or will suffer in the future from these court decisions. And she will only deflect and never accept responsibility. I turn from commercials she does voice-overs for and will never watch her in another acting role.

[stevenleser]

36. Until they capitulate and realize and admit their mistake and stop doing it. nt

[R B Garr]

47. +1, I've yet to see one returnee reflect on her intentional

decisions not to vote for the Democrat—back blaming Democrats for everything under the sun.

[R B Garr]

44. Absolutely! This is the real life gift they have handed

to the GOP and screwed over their own families—their children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. A conservative Supreme Court that is now so damaging and highly partisan that nothing may ever be the same. Freaking unbelievable.

[xmas74]

56. I've beaten that horse into a puddle of goo a

And still haven't stopped swinging.

I'm not wealthy. I don't live on the coast. The only revolution I see around here is one bordering on a fascist coup. I have an eighteen year old daughter. (A few old Lounge Lizards might remember me allowing her to type nonsensical replies when she was in preschool.) Anyway, my daughter is rapidly losing options. Abortion is harder to obtain, education is rapidly going up in price while the state budgets have been slashed, future overseas job opportunities are going down the drain due to the relationship of our president with the rest of the world.

My kid has fewer choices every year. The Sarandon, Stein types and their supporters fuel my hatred and they deserve it. They can fuck themselves for screwing over a generation of women, children and minorities.

[StarzGuy]

134. You also need to add the poor or

the near poor, disabled retiree whom I am one.

Why can't these so called elitist just shut the puck up. If they can't support our democratic party then just don't comment and keep their stupid views to themselves.

[xmas74]

150. Absolutely

But that is another argument I could discuss for months.

[NurseJackie]

113. Still amazed that Sarandon and Stein still have defenders here...

And I will grind this axe until the day I die

Still amazed that Sarandon and Stein still have defenders here who get visibly uncomfortable and who also scold the posters of anti-Sarandon and anti-Stein threads.

All I'm saying is... seriously... what's THAT about? Why would anyone be PRO-Sarandon or PRO-Stein?

[betsuni]

115. Yes!

Weeping about beating dead horses and pretending promoting not voting for the Democratic nominee in the last election was a perfectly sane choice. What's THAT about?

[Gothmog]

118. I am also surprised

[JustAnotherGen]

126. I'm with you

[calimary]

131. Too damn bad if they don't like anti-Sarandon and anti-Stein threads.

Sarandon and Stein can take full blame for what we have now. Wonder what kind of marching orders Jill Stein has taken from ol' Vlad?

[The Mouth]

140. Hell, I still think anyone who voted for Nader is a Piece of crap.

And always will.

But even worse are the 18 percent who didn't even vote. Morons. Should be disenfranchised and deported.

[calimary]

154. I'm right there with you on that, too.

I will NEVER forgive OR forget what fucking Nader did. It made NO sense whatsoever, especially since I'm not sure how Nader could NOT have known what a republi-CON White House would do to all of his hard-fought consumer-protection work over several decades. Seriously! Was he THAT naive??? At his age - then? He and his damn fucking ego got us a couple of war criminals and torture excusers instead of a much-needed boost to worldwide environmentalism and wise stewardship of the planet. The votes that went to him would have gone to Al Gore, and we wouldn't have had more than FOUR THOUSAND unnecessary deaths in that stupid damn war-based-on-lies in Iraq. Most, if not all, of those lost soldiers and staffers would likely still be alive and sharing many Christmases and birthdays and Easters and Hannukahs and 4th of July picnics with their families and kids. Because Al Gore wouldn't have lied us into an unnecessary war of choice in Iraq.

It can also be argued that but for Ralph Nader's being a FUCKING SPOILER, we might not have had a September 11th. Why do I say that? Because the then-outgoing Clinton administration warned the then-incoming bushies that terrorism was going to be their biggest and most urgent concern. When bush/cheney took over, they sneered at all things Clinton and deliberately disregarded whatever advice had been offered. Why? Because Clinton. So they did NOTHING in the months leading up to that September. They never bothered picking up that particular ball and running with it, as they should have - and as Al Gore clearly understood and would have done. And while dim-bulb dubya declared cheney the head of a task force on terrorism, cheney did NOTHING. Didn't even hold a meeting - until, if memory serves, THAT SAME WEEK in September 2001. A little too late to start doing something about it when the towers had already been reduced to nothing but piles of fresh smoldering rubble. THANKS A HEAP, Ralph. THAT ONE is on YOU, too.

I think that's why I've been so hard on the spoilers we've seen pop up in the years since then. Often times, because I've tried to pay at least some attention, I've found myself listing numerous items that would have been handled much better and more more wisely than what happened - because some damn fucking CON was able to cheat his way into the White House.

[AllyCat]

172. Good to know you think I'm excrement

Even though it’s been shown again and again it didn’t affect the votes by state.

[The Mouth]

173. Bullshit

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2016/05/31/nader_elected_bush_why_we_shouldnt_forget_130715.html

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/ralph-nader-was-indispens_b_4235065.html

Nader received almost 100,000 votes in Florida in 2000, a state George W. Bush won by 537 votes over Al Gore:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/10798/nader-factor.aspx

Pretty much the only sources saying Nader DIDN'T cost gore the election are from the Green Party; Fuck them.

Thanks for GWB.

[AllyCat]

174. In Wisconsin so I didn't do it

But feel free to blame individual people for the full blame of bad presidents. I suppose you would give me no credit for working or voting for Kerry or Obama? Or HRC? Didn’t think so. Because I am crap in your estimation. Because I voted for Nader once.

[AllyCat]

175. Didn't vote in Florida

But feel free to blame individual people for the full blame of bad presidents. I suppose you would give me no credit for working or voting for Kerry or Obama? Or HRC? Didn’t think so. Because I am crap in your estimation. Because I voted for Nader once.

[NastyRiffraff]

159. It's absolutely baffling

Those who support those two, against all reason, evidence, and common sense, are as obtuse as Trumpists. (I know, some of them ARE Trumpists. Or Russians.)

[DownriverDem]

124. I'm right there with you

We wouldn't ever be here if left leaners voted for HRC. We are where we are because of those who voted 3rd party or not at all. Now as folks yell that the Dems need to fight the repubs, they have very little power. I will never forgive those who leaned left but didn't vote for HRC.

[samnsara]

157. OH HELL YES!

[RhodeIslandOne]

23. Me too

I'd like to believe it goes up certain asses sideways, but I get the feeling they are just fine with the shitstain nominated.

[JI7]

2. they haven't changed their position. As bad as things are they say Hillary being

President would be even worse.

[Honeycombe8]

18. What else can they say? That kind of person never says "I made a YUGE mistake." nt

[roscoeroscoe]

96. Kind of like Trump voters

If you know what I mean

[EllieBC]

3. Well both had zero to lose.

They are both past child bearing age, both are well educated and wealthy. Both are white. They had literally nothing to lose.

I hope they both have miserable lives.

[Nevernose]

32. "Child bearing age" had nothing to do with it

Women who are both wealthy and white have never had a problem getting an abortion, or at the very least going to live at Great Aunt Orphanereum's house for seven or eight months.

Them and Cornell West are both excellent (and ironic) examples of the occasional intersectionality of politics and privilege -- and I say this as a Democratic Socialist. Aside from actual Shining Path Maoist Guerrillas, there are few people more concerned with what many perceive as "economic" issues than me. However, I know when to shut the fuck up with my complaints about the Dem candidate. The "lesser of two evils?" It's lesser, you third party assholes.

[Volaris]

61. If this democracy really does die,

The last 3 sentences of your post should be carved into its tombstone.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

5. And all our Comrades we saved in WW2.....

no good deed goes unpunished.
Shoulda let the nazis roll over them.

[arthritisR_US]

94. The US was slow to go into the war and many

of your big corporations were funding the Nazis from the beginning.

[mcar]

6. And to all those "conscience" voters who derided our warnings about SCOTUS

Addressing income inequality would take care of everything, they said.

[still_one]

7. I would love to tell you where they should be, but instead I will say that ANYONE who considers them

an ally or friend should have their head examined

[Sneederbunk]

8. Oh ,if they were the only ones to blame.

[Grassy Knoll]

10. + 1 million

[Beaverhausen]

11. Thank you. I'm so sick of this

Blaming them instead of the Russians and Comey is just ridiculous.

[Sneederbunk]

13. Without Comey Russia does not prevail.

[JI7]

14. Blame both. And jill Stein is connected to the russia attack

[gordianot]

16. Correct and Jill Stein was part of the Russian scheme,

I most definitely hope we find Russian money in Steins coffers.

[RandySF]

19. .

[Beaverhausen]

21. Excuse me?

What are you implying? Go ahead. I’m all ears.

[bsiebs]

22. The sum of the parts...

Stop excusing your participation in the destruction of this country. I become ill just having to reply to such an obnoxious remark. Enough.

[Beaverhausen]

29. My participation?

Go on. How did I participate in the destruction of this country?
are you under the impression I didn’t vote for Hillary?

[bsiebs]

33. I have no idea who you voted for, more do I care

It is your misguided desire to pass on lies that support of that candidate was not a contributor to the calamity we now find ourselves... sure there were other factors, but don’t excuse this one.

[Beaverhausen]

34. Where did I excuse anything?

What lies did I pass on?

I’m sorry if I think we need to focus on the threats that are still active and stop obsessing about stein and Sarandon.

Now I remember why I don’t usually post in these Sarandon/Stein threads. Lesson learned.

[bsiebs]

35. Well we agree there ... a no win situation

[chwaliszewski]

57. It's a waste of time, Beaverhausen.

I'm focused on the upcoming election and trying to bring new voters into the fold to help overturn this disaster of an administration. Continually banging the anger drum over things long since past does no good but you can't convince anyone still on that train to stop it.

[JI7]

102. Putin's attack on the election are not long past. and Jill Stein is a Putin Troll

she is still spreading bs like blaming democrats also for trump's fucked up immigration actions of taking kids from parents.

[chwaliszewski]

106. Here we go...

that didn't take long.

[JI7]

177. here we go with Jill Stein Blaming democrats for kids being taken from parents

[chwaliszewski]

178. Why don't you send her a strongly worded letter...

and tell her how you feel? Complaining about it here accomplishes little.

[JI7]

179. it's a democratic political forum

that's what this board is for .

i don't need to send her anything as she is a troll who supports republicans. just like trump is a fucked up scumbag which i will post here also .

[chwaliszewski]

180. Midterms can't come fast enough

[JI7]

181. agree, it's important to keep a watch on right wing attacks like Jill Stein spreading Uranium one

bs and blaming democrats for trump's policy of taking kids from parents .

[betsuni]

182. +1

[chwaliszewski]

183. I need to take a break from DU for a while...

I'll vote straight D in the midterms but in the meantime, I'm just going to enjoy my summer. All of this negativity and anger is a real drag.

[Cha]

69. We know it's all of them.. No one is leaving out Russia..

stein and Sarandon were useful Idiots who assisted Russia in Rigging in trump.


They'll do it again in 2020.

[Demsrule86]

109. No it is not...Jillie worked with the Russians....was an honored guest of Putin...

both are the enemy as much as any Republican...and Susan did it before...as have the Green Party slimes many times...We have United and two wars...and an economy that never really recovered from 08 thanks to SusieQ and Nader...And now we have two Scotus picks for Trump that will pretty much end truly progressive policy for a generation...it is one of life's great ironies that those who claimed Hillary wasn't 'left' enough have now made it unlikely that we will get Medicare for all or other progressive goodies. In fact, we will fight for the rest of my life to save any form of health care, social security, medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, wick,immigration reform and the damage to the environment is incalculable.

Hubs and I will send our gay daughter to Ireland if Lawrence VS Texas is overturned and it could be with this court--imagine an America where Homosexuality is criminalized and people go to prison for who they are and who they love-there are not enough words to impugn Stein and Sarandon. My daughter has the right of return as her Dad is first generation American...both parent were Irish. I sure as hell won't allow her to languish in one of Trump's private prison concentration camps. Roe is most likely gone too and women will find themselves in jail possibly facing life or even the death penalty if they have an abortion in as many as 30 states.

There is not enough scorn to heap on the heads of Jill Stein who cost Hillary votes in key states-enough votes for Hillary to have won the election- and who worked for or with Putin...Jillie would look great in orange. As for Sarandon, she is a terrible person who cares for no person except herself. Both Sarandon and Stein...(add Nina Turner to the list as well) can fuck off. They betrayed all progressives-but more importantly...their country. We face terrible consequences as a result of the loss of 2016. I despise both of these clueless women and their criminally stupid followers who 'voted' their conscience and always will.

[brush]

125. Not so fast. It was a perfect storm of all of them.

Without the Surandon/Stein third-partiers during voting their supreme egoism; without the trump campaign conspiring with Putin and his bots; without Cambridge Analytica and a willing Facebook; without Interstate Crosscheck and repug vote suppression and hacking; without months and months during the campaign of Democratic party bashing by a certain someone; and without Comey—if any of those assholes hadn't done their part trump wouldn't have "won", in fact, I still highly doubt he did win as Hillary actually got some 3m more votes.

Looking back on it, does anyone really believe that the supposed margin of victory, some 70k votes in three previously Democratic states, actually occurred with no tampering whatsoever?

As I said, it was a perfect fucking storm and if any of the above factors, including Surandon/Stein, hadn't happened we wouldn't be on the precipice of trump-induced fascism and white supremacy with a trump-controlled Supreme Court to clear him of anything Mueller unearths.

[R B Garr]

138. But all of them had the same goal--viciously malign Hillary

to achieve what their own goals were. Those on the so-called fringe left should have been wiser to the GOP mauraders, but they willingly gave the GOP/Russia their opportunity. None of the GOP/Cambridge people had any principles to uphold, and the lefties had nothing but so-called purity principles. The effect was that the attacks from the left sounded exactly like the attacks from the right.

It really was certain wings of the party that ultimately turned people away from Clinton. The RW were just happy as pigs in slop to have the help.

[brush]

139. Yep, your last graph sums it up perfectly.

[Freethinker65]

12. STOP. Is there anyone left on DU that voted for Stein and supports Sarandon?

And supports Sarandon and her both sides are equally bad so let's start a revolution beliefs?

[JI7]

15. Yes

[Blue_true]

38. During the recent past, one or two have been arrogant enough to stick their head up.

But the shit from Trump is piling up so high, Stein and Sarandon supporters here have gone back underground. Occasionally I see a post saying it accomplishes nothing to go after Stein and Sarandon. Hell yes it does, I want to have the people that supported one or both during their attacks on Hillary to fee total shame.

[True Blue American]

97. Yes, need to keep reminding

Those who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee!

That includes Bernie backers who refused to vote for Hillary!

[McCamy Taylor]

28. It is important that people remember there are consequences to being irresponsible.

People's words should come back to haunt them. Like people who called Clinton a "monster" in 2008. They share some of the blame for empowering the Jill Steins and Susan Sarandons of 2016. In the future, we should follow Gary Hart's advice and moderate our criticism of Democrats who may one day be the nominee.

This is NOT rehashing an old election, btw. This is learning from the lesson of history so that we do not repeat our mistakes.

[R B Garr]

50. Yes. Still blaming Democrats for everything. Never

acknowledging or apologizing for the absolute lies.

[progressoid]

53. No. But that doesn't stop the daily righteous indignation posts

[Cha]

70. Too bad you don't like stein and sarandon Shamed for

their participation in assisting Russia with getting trump Rigged in.

They'll do it again in 2029.

[xmas74]

58. They're here

They just address everything as "their friend", "their cousin", etc. They're all over DU. If they haven't found this thread they will in short order.

[Cha]

68. I should hope the HELL NOT.. but that Does NOT

mean we can't Shame them.. 'cause the Assholes will do it again in 2020.

[betsuni]

71. That's a good one.

2020 here we come.

[Cha]

72. Gothmog found it..

I'm helping to pass it around. I thought it was perfect for stein's giggling pic, too. That's how much she gives a shite.. her and Sarandon with their cozy cushion.

[Gothmog]

119. Hi Cha

[Gothmog]

164. For Cha

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

137. Yes! Absolutely there are! In fact, I believe I've spotted some in this very thread.

STOP. Is there anyone left on DU that voted for Stein and supports Sarandon?

Yes! Absolutely there are! In fact, I believe I've spotted some in this very thread. (They're very stealthy of course.)

[Callmecrazy]

153. Yes

[Honeycombe8]

17. Yes...a big shout-out to Stein & Sarandon for saving us from the horror of Hillary!!!

[sarcasmo]

24. Andrea "Emails" Mitchell too @Mitchellreports

[Eyeball_Kid]

77. She should have been fired and banned from TV cameras for life for her performances. n/t

[Haggis for Breakfast]

165. Yes. Thank you for bringing that back to the conversation.

Mrs. Greenspan, calling Mrs. Greenspan . . .

I stopped watching NBC news because of her. She sickened me with her very-personal jabs at HRC for speaking the truth years ago about Greenspan's disastrous proposed policies. Remember who his mentor was - Ayn Rand. WHY NBC allowed her to continue to spew her bile at Hillary on camera has always been a myth to me.

[Docreed2003]

26. But don't you see...we're getting a revolution!!

[jg10003]

27. Stop sowing discord. focus on the future...

Griping about Jill stein, comey,etc does nothing to help win in 2018.

[Freethinker65]

31. Yep

[Larrybanal]

37. beating very dead horse

although I will never watch a sarandon movie again

[JI7]

43. Jill Stein is a Putin Troll . she will do the same thing in the future in order to help

republicans win. so it's important they are called out for their bs regularly.

as we saw with susan sarandon she did the same in 2000 as she did in 2016. and even after trump was in office she said it would be worse if hillary was president.

[brush]

127. Good point. She was a Nader backer in 2000 and showed her true...

contrarian self again against Democrats in 2016.

[chwaliszewski]

59. +1

[TomCADem]

81. The Discord Was Sown By Stein/Sarandon/Putin...

...if folks forget about the dangers of following Russian-backed "progressives," they will repeat the same mistakes. Some Fox News "progressives" only get air time because they attack Democrats from the "left." Think of Dennis Kucinich.

Progressives and Democrats need to understand and condemn those folks who sell-out in order to be a shill for folks and countries attacking and opposing Democrats.

[Raine]

87. exactly ... nt

[leftofcool]

111. What future?

[lapucelle]

112. How is calling out a common enemy sowing discord?

The 2016 election was the second time that Susan Sarandon helped elect a Republican. Her actions in 2000 helped usher in the Roberts court.

To the extent that it will blunt any influence that they might have on new, young, or naive voters in future elections, the approbation should be loud and unqualified.

Hey Jill and Susan...take responsibility and apologize for what you encouraged and enabled. History will not absolve them. Neither should we.

[NurseJackie]

161. I guess that all depends on how someone defines "common enemy", eh?

How is calling out a common enemy sowing discord?

I guess that all depends on how someone defines "common enemy", eh?

All I'm trying to say is that there are some who are still very sympathetic and defensive and supportive of Sarandon and Stein, and those people likely don't consider them to be an enemy. (If you know what I mean.)

[betsuni]

116. Sowing discord.

Griping. LOL.

[Amimnoch]

144. pssst.. wake up. Their actions are affecting that future.

And quite frankly, anyone who experiences discord as a result of calling these shits out for their role in the direction the SCOTUS is taking, and in the direction this country is taking can kiss me where the sun don't shine.

If you supported Clinton because you loved her, and thought she'd make a better president than this orange jackass.. I love you.

If you supported Clinton holding your nose, but had the sense of mind to realize what was at stake here. I love you.

If you were on the "never Clinton", or "Trump is the lessor of 2 evils" bandwagon, and voted Trump, or decided not to vote at all.. fuck you, and I don't give 2 shits if that offends someones delicate sensitivities, and I do hope, with all of my heart that you are among those that suffer from this. You are a traitor to everything that is liberal, progressive, and decent, and you fucking deserve it.

If you were on the Trump bandwagon all alonge.. again fuck you. I hope you suffer. But I will say, at the very least, you weren't dupicitous in your evil natured stupidity. I can't blam a parasite for doing what a parasite does.

As a final disclaimer, when I say "you", I am referring to anyone who reads this, and not a direct swipe at you jg.

[LiberalFighter]

30. And those talking about the lesser of two evils need to be schooled.

And personally, I don't think anyone should run under a different political party unless they have a member of Congress of their political party in 10 different states.

[TomCADem]

39. Think They Would Point to TPP, China Tariffs and Immigration

...and say you are welcome and that it was all worth it. Remember Sarandon, Stein and Cornell West have doubled down since the election.

[oasis]

120. The puffed up, pontificating asshole, Cornel West, struts about as if

he isn't about to accept any blame in getting Trump elected. His dramatic walkout on the Democratic Convention platform committee, did it for me.

He's as much of a self serving, egotistical, worthless piece of shit as Stein and Sarandon.

I'm glad, TomCADem, you included him, because his guilt escapes mention much too often.

[Demsrule86]

170. I can't even listen to him...despise him.

[blue-wave]

41. Stein and Sarandon are both

shills for the republicons and their Uncle Vlad.

[davekriss]

48. Sarandon is not a shill, she is a "useful idiot"

Jill Stein, on the other hand...

[agincourt]

42. I was thinking about Stein and Nader today

in an election year where people wanted to "throw a molotov into the system", she still only got a million and a half votes, libertarian Gary Johnson blew her away. She sure ain't no Eugene Debs.

[davekriss]

45. Yes I'm so happy they saved us... from what would have been one of the BEST PRESIDENTS EVER!

[czarjak]

46. Rigged is rigged, Vlad was ready for any scenario....

[progressoid]

51. YAY! Another thread full of sound and fury, signifying nothing

[lunamagica]

66. We will NEVER forget. We Will NEVER get over it

[progressoid]

95. No shit.

There will always be Steins and Naders and Ross Perots in every election. This is nothing new.

Picking at this same old scab isn't going to solve the problem.

[brush]

130. Stein and Nader were never in Perot's class as far as legitimacy...

as a third party candidate.

They were both just anti-Democrats whose whole campaigns were just about attacking Democrats as being no different than repugs.

[Jamaal510]

52. The amount of defensiveness

I see on this thread over attacking "progressives" who are openly hostile to the Democratic party is eye-opening.

[Cha]

93. Yeah, why are they so defensive

about Stein and Sarandon's LIES?


stein and Sarandon will do it again in 2020.. damn straight we're calling them out. It's for sure they can't be shamed as they sit on their cozy cushions.

Link to tweet

Yeah, they claim to be "progressives" but they assisted Russia in taking us back to the dark ages.

[MrsCoffee]

104. No kidding.

[JI7]

108. the same ones who defend attacks on democrats

and claim it's constructive criticism and how we need to hold feet to fire and other shit.

[Bradshaw3]

54. Pile up the cannon fodder the Nader and Stein voters have given us and it's horrible

Two wars with millions dead from the first "conscience" voters among other atrocities, and all the shitstorms we have now to what will happen from decades out and it is unconscionable what these people did. Trying to absolve them with Comey, Putin, etc. is bullshit. The third party voters too are responsible and the human cannon fodder resulting from their decisions will grow over the years.

[Bleacher Creature]

55. K&R. Happy to grind that axe with you anytime.

[bdjhawk]

60. I understand but disagree with those who say "enough already" re Sarandon

Because this shit will keep happening and Dems/Progressives need to understand that we all need to get behind the ultimate candidate. I already worry about segments of the party being encouraged by outside factors to be more upset with Dems who aren't supportive enough of them than with Repugs who are completely totally 100% against them.

[KPN]

62. Give it a rest.

[lunamagica]

67. NO. We will NEVER forget!

[Cha]

73. That's right, Luna.. HELL to the NO!

stein and Sarandon will do it again in 2020.. damn straight we're calling them out. It's for sure they can't be shamed as they sit on their cozy cushions.

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

74. Those are great, Cha! Such self-absorbed, phony liars.

Sarandon’s and Stein’s obsession with maligning Clinton is their legacy. Giving the Supreme Court away to Trump is no f***ing Revolution. Idiot Putin lovers.

[Cha]

78. I've been borrowing them from Gothmog..

he has the most Dead On Tweets and Graphics to Call stein and Sarandon on their SHITE LIES!

Excellent point, RB.. for those who try to cover for stein and Sarandon's LIES by saying we're "obsessed" (I've seen that)..

It's stein and Sarandon who are "..OBSESSED with Maligning Hillary with LIES. That IS their legacy.

We're Exposing SS and JS' LIES and some can't handle that.. even though they'll do it again in 2020.

[R B Garr]

85. Excellent! Gothmog does have some great graphics

and always informative posts about his state of Texas and his legal opinions. Top notch; a-must-read.

I actually think this kind of refusal to accept the lies and smears about Democrats is long overdue. Make them own it. No more forced realities — we can’t afford their poor judgment anymore.

Stein has some nerve worrying about phantom oligarchs when she has no problem taking dark money from a murderous oligarch who used her to screw over my country.

Sarandon is a prima donna movie star in some sick fantasy world where she cast herself in the role of world savior and Joan of Arc, when the reality is she gave us Bush’s war and Trump’s oligarch pals. The stupidity of it all!

[Cha]

89. Exactly.. "make them own it"! sarandon seems

to have snuck by owning her part in bush's war on Iraq.. way past time to hold her ilk Accountable.

Link to tweet

snip//

"As for Susan’s service, if only it weren’t so tireless. If only there had been some kind of learning curve for her, other than stuff like the fact she served as co-chair of the national steering committee for third party candidate Ralph Nader in 2000. Another tight election that worked out well, there. If only this doctoral student of absolutely everything was familiar with the famous observation Clement Attlee once made of Labour party chairman Harold Laski: “A period of silence on your part would be welcome.”

More.. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/lostinshowbiz/2018/jul/05/protest-all-you-like-susan-sarandon-in-effect-you-work-for-trump?CMP=share_btn_tw

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210834678

SS is a world class RF.. So many civilians and Soldiers world over died in bush's misbegotten War on Iraq. And, no SS & nader didn't do it alone.. they only assisted with their LIES in Florida especially.

[Gothmog]

152. I am really enjoying you having fun with these memes and tweets

Keep up the good work

[Gothmog]

160. For Cha

:large

[Cha]

166. Mahalo, Goth! That's right.. SS had the GD GALL

to call Debra Messing "Trumpian and misinformed".

SS owes Debra and the world a big ol Fat fucking Apology.

So who's "trumpian", Sarandon, twit?

http://ew.com/tv/2017/05/02/susan-sarandon-debra-messing-feud-trumpian-wwhl/

Link to tweet

Another one I got from you!

[lunamagica]

80. Those are awesome, Cha! Both Sarandon and Stain need to be bombarded with them 24/7

[Cha]

86. Yes, they DO need Bombardment! Gothmog found them.. I found Gothmog!

He gets the DEAD ON tweets and graphics calling stein and Sarandon on their LIES.

Pass them on, too, Luna.. they're going to do it again in 2020.. they. have. NO. Remorse.

[True Blue American]

99. Cha, get a load of this!

Now Sarandon is protesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/29/susan-sarandon-arrested-anti-trump-rally-washington

She has 3 new movies out. Boycott them all.

[Cha]

103. I know.. and get a load of this by Marina Hyde at The Guardian

calling SS out on her "protesting"..

Link to tweet

Protest all you like, Susan Sarandon. In effect you work for Trump

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210834678

SS protested the policies she wanted implemented when she said trump would be better than Hillary.


stein and Sarandon will do it again in 2020..

Link to tweet

Thank You, True Blue American!

[KPN]

129. That's the problem. Faulty perspective in the first place.

We will never be able to force people to vote the way we wish them to, even in the face of Bushes and worse, Trumps.

If you won't forget, how about venting at home or elsewhere where it won't be perceived as a negative by free-thinking potential Democrats? Geezuz! Sometimes I wonder.

[lunamagica]

143. How free-thinking of you trying to control what others post. But if my post bother you so much

feel free to put me on ignore.

[KPN]

149. Not trying to control. Just saying it's more harmful

than helpful to our cause imo,

[Demsrule86]

169. Well voters who don't vote for us are Republicans...they support Republicans...and the

idea is to convince people to vote for the most progressive candidate or in the case of 16 the only progressive candidate...Stein and Sarandon ET AL convinced voters to vote for Trump basically...whether they voted for him, stayed home or voted for Stein...You are not required to read these posts and this is within the rules of the site.

And it appears that many have not learned their lesson and somehow think electing Trump is a moral high ground...God help us. Let's hope these people are few...because we will never be able to count on them. We got United from Gore...that should have been enough to stop this nonsense but it wasn't. There will be many terrible outcomes...the worst is we have a right wing SCOTUS for a generation who will rule in favor of unlimited detainment for immigrants...IE concentration camps.

[Lady_Chat]

75. Think those kids in cages, separated from their parents, will "forget"?

Thanks to people like Sarandon, I doubt those children will ever forget. Hillary was worse than Trump? That was Sarandon's mantra. I can't in my wildest dreams imagine Hillary ever doing a thing like that to children. Did Sarandon believe that Trump was going to appoint a moderate to the court, after all his rhetoric about Roe V Wade? Really? Did she not realize that with Democrats in the minority, there would be no way to stop Trump and who he wanted on the Court?
Revolution? oh, please. She living in fantasy land. But that she has the gall, to then show up at a Woman's March and act like she cares, is more than a lot of women can stomach. She's nothing but a moronic, selfish, phony. Nothing but an attention seeker. This isn't one of her movies, where she rides to the rescue...this is a real living nightmare.

[True Blue American]

100. Yes, now Susan is protesting.Hah!

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jun/29/susan-sarandon-arrested-anti-trump-rally-washington

[betsuni]

63. I will join the axe-grinding any time!

[SunSeeker]

64. Neither of which will ever feel the pain they caused.

[Cha]

84. No, they won't feel any pain whatsoever

stein and Sarandon will do it again in 2020.. damn straight we're calling them out. It's for sure they can't be shamed as they sit on their cozy cushions..

Link to tweet

..they have NO remorse.

[SunSeeker]

88. Their privilege and arrogance allows them to have no remorse.

[Cha]

91. Precisely. And, narcissism.. like Melania's jacket..

I really don't care do u?

..That Backfired..

[SunSeeker]

135. Great pic.

[lunamagica]

65. They need to be reminded EVERY. SINGLE. DAY

We will never forget. Same goes to Comey and...others

[Eyeball_Kid]

76. How about something like 46% of eligible voters who chose to sit out the election?

And let's not forget the Russian trolls and bots that dumped hundreds of thousands of messages, ads, videos, tweets, and more onto US consumers without consent or acknowledgement?

And let's not pass up the venerable Mr. Comey, who somehow, innocently, made every possible mistake that worked to Trumpy's advantage.

IMO, Stein (When you want everyone to vote, they don't always do what you want.) and Sarandon have their places in this travesty, but they're minor players.

[still_one]

82. I respectively disagree. Sarandon and Stein had much more national airtime then they deserved, not

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only undermining impressionable voters not to vote for the Democratic nominee by either voting third party, or not voting.

Incidently, it didn't take much.

Every Democrat running for Senate in those critical swing states lost to the incumbent, establishment, republican, because enough people, about 1% in those respective states were convinced that there was no difference between republicans and Democrats

The same thing happend in 2000, where Sarandon made it very clear that a "vote for Gore was a vote for bush"


https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/15/us/the-2000-campaign-the-green-party-in-nader-supporters-math-gore-equals-bush.html

They didn't have to be "major" players. Being minor ones was all that was needed

[Prof.Higgins]

83. Still_one. I reckon your comment is spot on.

[progressoid]

92. Their airtime was a blip in comparison to the free time given to trump

Donald Trump succeeded in shaping the election agenda. Coverage of Trump overwhelmingly outperformed coverage of Clinton. Clinton’s coverage was focused on scandals, while Trump’s coverage focused on his core issues.



Attempts by the Clinton campaign to define her campaign on competence, experience, and policy positions were drowned out by coverage of alleged improprieties associated with the Clinton Foundation and emails. Coverage of Trump associated with immigration, jobs, and trade was greater than that on his personal scandals.



...https://cyber.harvard.edu/publications/2017/08/mediacloud

DU's beloved MSNBC bears vastly more responsibility for this mess.

[Cha]

110. I respectfully agree with your

"disagreement, still_one.

Now someone is trying to cover for stein and Sarandon saying they didn't get much "airtime"?! Good Grief.. like you say.. it was enough.

The math doesn't LIE in the swing states where stein's LIES won more votes than the difference between trump's over HILLARY's votes.

Here's PA's NUMBERS.. thanks to BumRushDaShow

CLINTON, HILLARY
(DEM)
47.85%
Votes: 2,926,441
Running mate: TIM KAINE

TRUMP, DONALD J
(REP)
48.58%
Votes: 2,970,733
Running mate: MICHAEL R PENCE

DIFFERENCE = 44,292 <---

THIRD PARTY

CASTLE, DARRELL L
(CON)
0.35%
Votes: 21,572
Running mate: SCOTT N BRADLEY

STEIN, JILL
(GRN)
0.82%
Votes: 49,941 <---
Running mate: AJAMU BARAKA

JOHNSON, GARY E
(LIB)
2.40%
Votes: 146,715
Running mate: WILLIAM WELD

TOTAL 3RD PARTY = 218,228

https://electionreturns.pa.gov/General/SummaryResults?ElectionID=54&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0

Here's Big Mouth Again.. I'm so sure M$$$$$M didn't give them all the airtime they could spew..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[Act_of_Reparation]

146. Respectfully, I don't see a correlation.

Evidence of Susan Sarandon on television is not evidence of Susan Sarandon influencing voters in a statistically significant way. With all the other factors there are to consider—from foreign meddling, to ass-backwards polling techniques, to voter turnout—I don't see Sarandon or even Stein rating much of a mention in academic texts evaluating the events of 2016.

I am struggling with the fact that we're a over a year into the Trump presidency, there's a midterm election on the horizon, and we're still talking about Susan Sarandon. Even if you think Sarandon played a direct role in our 2016 loss, you must surely realize there are bigger, more pressing concerns deserving of our attention.

[MrsCoffee]

105. Minor? Funny you should bring up the Russian thing....

How minor does one have to be to get seated at the table of the richest and most evil man in the world?

Just curious....

[AllyCat]

176. Agree. How about all the purging of voter rolls?

By Republicans of course. What about all the frickin’ racists? What about all the work that started with Reagan and Nixon?

[Prof.Higgins]

79. Yes, a clear lesson: If any Progressive doesn't get off their backside and vote for Democratic Party

candidates this November, then I don't want to hear them bellyaching about Trump and his Congress and his SCOTUS fornicating jobs/wages, insurance coverage, reproductive rights, consumer protections, urgent global warming amelioration efforts ....... not too mention a future dumbass wag-the-dog war launced by Trump somewhere.
Progressives indulging in protest Third Party voting, sulking because a favorite candidate had lost the primary, or just being lazy has gifted the entire 3 brances of government to these greedy Repub extremists and their band of religious fanatics. As Obama said at every campaign event, "Don't boo. Vote!"

[Scurrilous]

90. K&R

[UCmeNdc]

101. They should have supported Hillary Clinton

Period.

[QuantaviousJackson]

107. She And Stein Broke The Cardinal Rule

It’s just that simple. Factor their actions with other things that did not go Hillary’s way and you can’t help but feel rage toward them.

[Blue_Tires]

114. And Greenwald and Taibbi and Tracey and Snowden and Goodman and Cenk and Nomiki and Jordan and...

[Gothmog]

117. As toxic virus spreads to Supreme Court, investigators inch closer to identifying Patient 0.

Link to tweet

[Paladin]

121. To hell with both them, along with their clueless followers. (nt)

[Orsino]

122. I always diss OPs who try to blame it all on Stein and Sarandon...

...but this one I endorse wholeheartedly.

[disillusioned73]

123. Your forgot some key folks..

"The swing of Obama voters to Mr. Trump proved a decisive factor in the 2016 presidential election. Of the more than 650 counties that chose Mr. Obama twice, about a third flipped to Mr. Trump. Many were in states critical to Mr. Trump’s win, like Iowa, Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin."

"John Sides, a political-science professor at George Washington University, has estimated that 9 percent of voters who cast ballots for Mr. Obama ended up voting for Mr. Trump. Among white voters who had never been to college, it was 22 percent."

[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/04/us/obama-trump-swing-voters.html|

[Nitram]

128. So stupid. Anyone who hated Clinton so much actually helped Trump win.

The Right Wing Smear Machine has corrupted even many good liberals with their unceasing attacks on the Clintons over the last 30 years.

[budkin]

132. Enough of this

Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon are not the reason Trump is president.

[R B Garr]

142. Wrong. They actively campaigned against Democrats,

and they did so more dishonestly than the GOP, who is the actual opposition party.

Stein and Sarandon were deceitful for their own personal gain and to boost their esteem. The GOP at least is honest in their naked power grabs because they hate minorities, unions, equal rights, and every other progress gained in the last 60 years.

[budkin]

158. They had almost ZERO influence on the outcome

The reason Hillary lost is because the GOP ran a multi-year campaign to discredit her over "emails" and Comey reopening the case right before the election was the nail in the coffin. Mix in the Russian interference and we are where we are now. Stein and Sarandon were fleas compared to everything else.

[Sparkly]

133. To those who say "focus on the future elections"...

This will happen again in future elections. The nominee of the Democratic Party is demonized by left and right. On the right, there's a smear campaign with outlandish lies, character attacks and conspiracy "theories." On the left, s/he is characterized as impure, DLC, moderate, might as well be a Republican, war-mongering, in with big money, etc.

There is always SOMEbody on the outside of the Democratic Party banging on the windows, complaining. In 2000, it was Nader. In 2004, Nader was back (and unfortunately, I think Kucinich didn't help). For whatever reasons, Obama was seen as liberal enough to get a pass. Then in 2016 -- well, once again.

When the primaries are over, the choice is simple. If everyone would just recognize that, we can avoid another Bush/Cheney and dodge another disaster like Trump.

[debsy]

136. Susan Sarandon, I'm sure, got her information from RT...

..., which just happened to be the subject of the meeting at which she (Stein) and Mike Flynn were schmoozing with vlad himself. Jill Stein was either a "useful idiot" or she was in on the whole conspiracy as well. Either does not bode well for her, nor for Sarandon, who truly deserves to be shunned.

[workinclasszero]

141. The babies in cages, the babies separated and "lost" to vile human traffickers,

the soon to be thousands of poor girls dying from back alley abortions, Trump's rubber stamp kangaroo court SCOTUS....

All belong to Jill Stein, Susan Sarandon, TYT's and the JPR assholes that support them!

You ***kers have the blood and horror of the innocents on your hands and your black hearts forever!

[LiberalLovinLug]

145. So much angst over one woman's vote

when over half of her fellow white women voted for the p****y grabber.

This obsession with Sarandon is over the top.

[Amimnoch]

147. Fine. Screw every single one of them too. Better? nt.

[LiberalLovinLug]

151. Hardly comparable, but ok

[JI7]

185. it's not about her vote, it's about her publicly spreading BS in order to help Trump

and other republicans win.

she says even now that things would be worse if hillary was president.

[lovemydogs]

148. When does wallowing in loss end? When does the future begin?

I'm sorry but, it's so redundant and so reliving the past and not moving forward.
Yes Hillary lost.
Many of us cried for months over that but, did get over it and focused on what can be done to say Never Again.
And a big one is to push the party to stop being wusses and to put their big boy pants on and fight the dirty politics and tactics of the republicans. To stop being so Nice!
Letting McConnoll play dirty on Merick Garland and not fighting and kicking up dust was the democrats doing. Let's be nice about it. Now we have this because democrats did not fight.
In the meantime we have a handful of people posting all the time about Jill Stein, progressives, Saradon, ect.
Saradon is a non factor in reality. A movie star playing politics
Stein is not taken seriously and probably headed to the dustbin of history.
Progressives are the new breed of democrat and the future. i.e. Kamala Harris.
Hillary is out of politics.
But, like republicans who cannot move on, these handful of people constantly post about 2016 and want to fight their own side rather then republicans and Trump.
It's time for this to stop

I'd also like to remind folks that many who voted for Trump were Me Toos. They pay no attention to politics and know nothing of what's going on. But, family and buddies were all Magas. So, they jumped on the bandwagon to be included. They have absolutely no idea what Trump is about except he was famous

[RocRizzo55]

155. Grudges like this

are not good things to keep. It will not help to unite us either.

[NurseJackie]

163. Define "us".

It will not help to unite us either.

Define "us". Why would anyone think that calling out a common enemy is "divisive"?

All I'm trying to say is that generally speaking, it's the Friends-of-Sarandon and the Voters-of-Stein who are most frequently put-off by these types of threads, and who the fuck cares what they think anyway?

[RocRizzo55]

186. Who should care

These people who you are describing here, could become your allies if you treat them more fairly. If you continue to alienate them, they will surely never ever come to your point of view. Just because you disagree on a few points, should not make it so that you have a grudge against a possible ally.

[NurseJackie]

189. Well, here's the thing... no they won't.

could become your allies if you treat them more fairly.

Well, here's the thing... no they won't.

And for great amount of effort expended in trying to coddle and flatter and cajole these idiot Sarandon-defenders and Stein-voters... the time would be better spent with GOTV efforts.

...they will surely never ever come to your point of view. Just because you disagree on a few points...

Oh good grief! It's not as benign as having a "different point-of-view" or "disagreeing on a few points" Puhleeze!

If they can't tell the difference... or if they can't understand the importance of defeating Trump, then they're beyond hope.

All I'm saying is that it makes more sense to spend a day's worth of time in getting 100 NEW voters than it does to try to spend an equal amount of time trying to appeal to the ego of ONE idiot Stein-voter. Fuck them and fuck their defenders and enablers! Fuck Susan Sarandon... she's the worst of them all.

[RocRizzo55]

190. That was

quite harsh. So I guess that if they even asked to side with you, you would slam the door in their face.
I feel sorry for you.

[NurseJackie]

191. You guess wrong.

190. That was
quite harsh.

Perhaps, but nothing about what I said was untrue.

So I guess that if they even asked to side with you, you would slam the door in their face.

You guess wrong.

It's an unrealistic and unlikely hypothetical scenario anyway. Such a thing will NEVER happen.

I feel sorry for you.

Oh good gravy! GMAFB! Spare me the pity-drama and judgement!

[Demsrule86]

171. Grudges like this are great as we now know who our friends are...I do not consider Stein

progressive or green...she has presided over the dismantling of the EPA...the votes she won in key states would have elected Hillary. Have you hear one word from her about baby jails? Is she sorry she helped elect Trump...nope. And she tricked desperate people out of hard earned cash for her fake recount.

[RocRizzo55]

187. Sorry to tell you

But I have met Dr. Stein (though I did not vote for her), and she does not stand for dismantling the EPA. She told me so.
And as far as your points about people who voted for her swaying the election, you are not considering the folks who stayed home, and the voters who were suppressed by the likes of Chris Kobach and company.

[Demsrule86]

192. She helped elect a Republican who ran on dismantling the EPA and is doing it...she is a horrible

person...sat at a table with Putin...sorry she is scum. And how many voters who stayed home were influenced by Stein's rhetoric?

[RocRizzo55]

193. You forgot

About the 1/3 of all voters who just stayed home. Don't you think that they had anything to do with the election?
I am not going to even address the other things, because I met her, and that is not what she told me.

[Demsrule86]

194. sure and she encouraged voters to stay home if they didn't want to vote for...I despise her and

believe she worked with the Russian...orange is her best color!

[RocRizzo55]

195. Believe what you will

I know differently. I met and spoke to her.

[JI7]

184. it's not a grudge, it's calling out the trolling from people who want Republicans to win

there is no uniting with these people because they don't want democrats to win. they are happy trump won.

[RocRizzo55]

188. And you know this because?

I'll wait for an answer.

[madisongrace]

156. Please don't. N/t

[Gothmog]

162. For this thread

Link to tweet

[Cha]

168. Yeah, from SS' privileged perch

she has no remorse.

And, I'm grateful that many many people can see that so her next attempt at RF in 2020 won't go so well.

Thank You, Goth!

[Prof.Higgins]

167. This isn't "wallowing" or "grudge holding". It's to reinforce protest/sulk/purity voting is suicidal