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Augiedog

(2,545 posts)
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:42 PM Jul 2018

Does the new SCOTUS pick even believe in the constitution? He says presidents should not be

subject to legal consequences of their illegal acts while in office. That to me sounds an awful lot like a king to me, not a president. Whatever happened to the idea that no one is above the law in this nation.

Nixon and Bill Clinton would have loved the notion that they were untouchable. Would the nation be better off with untouchable royalty in the presidency?

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Does the new SCOTUS pick even believe in the constitution? He says presidents should not be (Original Post) Augiedog Jul 2018 OP
I thought he said that ladym55 Jul 2018 #1
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #2
Weirdly, Bill Clinton is the reason he said it wonkwest Jul 2018 #15
There is a distinction leftynyc Jul 2018 #16
I don't either . . . so far wonkwest Jul 2018 #17
The court has always leftynyc Jul 2018 #22
Please Cosmocat Jul 2018 #18
No. Actually he says there is a constitutional remedy of impeachment Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #3
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #4
Bye Felicia... Grassy Knoll Jul 2018 #6
Hope you enjoyed your stay.. mn9driver Jul 2018 #7
Odd that he/she has 11 posts and joined DU on 1/19/2017, the day before Dump was inaug. CurtEastPoint Jul 2018 #9
Go fuck yourself. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2018 #8
So potus is above the law in this guys opinion? onecaliberal Jul 2018 #5
He said while in office, the President should be immune from criminal prosecution and civil action. Calista241 Jul 2018 #20
He's disqualified 100 times over. onecaliberal Jul 2018 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author muntrv Jul 2018 #10
He's defining the role of a king, not a president. procon Jul 2018 #11
Pro Clinton people made the same argument re Paula Jones Cicada Jul 2018 #12
Clinton argued Paula Jones case should be delayed, not killed, delayed Cicada Jul 2018 #13
.......like John Roberts? Thunderbeast Jul 2018 #19
I think this is one area where we've jumped to conclusions. According to liberal legal folks Hoyt Jul 2018 #14
 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
15. Weirdly, Bill Clinton is the reason he said it
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:04 PM
Jul 2018

Something about the Starr investigation apparently didn't sit right with him.

It's interesting.

But I have no doubt Trump loved that one when he read it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. There is a distinction
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:16 PM
Jul 2018

not being made. Kavanaugh said a Pres shouldn't be subject to CIVIL cases while in office which is what jones v Clinton was. He was all for the CRIMINAL charges against Bill - perjury and obstruction and wrote he should have been impeached. As far as I can see, he's never ruled, written about or commented on case that has started as a criminal case which would cover what Mueller is doing. He also determined thAt Vince foster committed suicide which will piss off the conspiracy mined lunatics on the right. He's a conservative for sure but this could have been much worse. I don't think he's a sure vote for overturning roe.

 

wonkwest

(463 posts)
17. I don't either . . . so far
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:20 PM
Jul 2018

But it's early going. We have no idea what our senators or the media will unearth.

I'm glad you made the distinction between civil vs criminal. I hadn't caught that bit. That's, uh, encouraging?

It's too early to know what I think about the guy. I wish Trump weren't making an appointment at all, but here we are.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
22. The court has always
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 10:45 AM
Jul 2018

been my issue. Far too many don't really get how important it is. There is so much we don't know about him and I certainly didn't mean we shouldn't be VERY cautious. Only that we need to keep things straight and know what we're talking about.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
18. Please
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 11:38 PM
Jul 2018

His only concern is protecting the Republican president. This is typical situational Republican ethics. If we currently had a Democratic president this guy would be perfectly fine with them being prosecuted over nothing. His judicial views are perfectly amorphous to his political views. Is brazen with this is any other Republican whose stumbled into the Supreme Court in our lives.

Freethinker65

(10,017 posts)
3. No. Actually he says there is a constitutional remedy of impeachment
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:45 PM
Jul 2018

That is assuming that the legislature does its fucking job if given enough evidence to impeach AND convict. Of course, that will never happen with the GOP that is loyal to Trump and not the Constitution.

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Calista241

(5,586 posts)
20. He said while in office, the President should be immune from criminal prosecution and civil action.
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 12:17 AM
Jul 2018

His proposed remedy is impeachment by the legislature and prosecution and / or civil litigation after the President has left office. He also says any change to implement this would have to come from a new law passed by Congress and signed by the Executive.

He has some valid points, but with our current President, I just can't get behind this proposal.

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Cicada

(4,533 posts)
12. Pro Clinton people made the same argument re Paula Jones
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 09:54 PM
Jul 2018

Vincent Bugliosi wrote a long analysis attacking the Supreme Court decision in Paula Jones v Clinton, arguing the case should have been delayed until after the presidency. I found it completely convincing. The court can just put a case on hold, not killing it, just postponing it.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
13. Clinton argued Paula Jones case should be delayed, not killed, delayed
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:02 PM
Jul 2018

Kavanaugh has said Roe v Wade is settled law, that he would uphold it because of stare decisis.

He sounds better than some others.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
14. I think this is one area where we've jumped to conclusions. According to liberal legal folks
Mon Jul 9, 2018, 10:56 PM
Jul 2018

on Maddow, he thinks a Prez could be investigated and tried for criminal and civil actions now under current law. So he believes Congress should pass a law preventing that because impeachment is the process to “try” a sitting Prez.

I kind of feel the same way, except I would not make it unlimited. I think the Prez’s job is important enough not to get bogged down in most civil suits or a criminal conviction for smoking a joint. Again, I don’t think such a law should apply to every criminal action including rape, abuse, murder, treason, and a lot more. But impeachment is there if Congress is doing its job. Once Impeached, a Prez could be tried for all that stuff.

This works both ways. While I’d like to see trump perp-walked for any crime including stealing the WH towels or tried for any civil matter, it might be a Democrat next time.

We can put a stop to a lot of this crud in November if we don’t blow it.

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