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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDoes the new SCOTUS pick even believe in the constitution? He says presidents should not be
subject to legal consequences of their illegal acts while in office. That to me sounds an awful lot like a king to me, not a president. Whatever happened to the idea that no one is above the law in this nation.
Nixon and Bill Clinton would have loved the notion that they were untouchable. Would the nation be better off with untouchable royalty in the presidency?
ladym55
(2,577 posts)After he worked SO hard going after Bill Clinton under Ken Starr.
wonkwest
(463 posts)Something about the Starr investigation apparently didn't sit right with him.
It's interesting.
But I have no doubt Trump loved that one when he read it.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)not being made. Kavanaugh said a Pres shouldn't be subject to CIVIL cases while in office which is what jones v Clinton was. He was all for the CRIMINAL charges against Bill - perjury and obstruction and wrote he should have been impeached. As far as I can see, he's never ruled, written about or commented on case that has started as a criminal case which would cover what Mueller is doing. He also determined thAt Vince foster committed suicide which will piss off the conspiracy mined lunatics on the right. He's a conservative for sure but this could have been much worse. I don't think he's a sure vote for overturning roe.
wonkwest
(463 posts)But it's early going. We have no idea what our senators or the media will unearth.
I'm glad you made the distinction between civil vs criminal. I hadn't caught that bit. That's, uh, encouraging?
It's too early to know what I think about the guy. I wish Trump weren't making an appointment at all, but here we are.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)been my issue. Far too many don't really get how important it is. There is so much we don't know about him and I certainly didn't mean we shouldn't be VERY cautious. Only that we need to keep things straight and know what we're talking about.
His only concern is protecting the Republican president. This is typical situational Republican ethics. If we currently had a Democratic president this guy would be perfectly fine with them being prosecuted over nothing. His judicial views are perfectly amorphous to his political views. Is brazen with this is any other Republican whose stumbled into the Supreme Court in our lives.
Freethinker65
(10,017 posts)That is assuming that the legislature does its fucking job if given enough evidence to impeach AND convict. Of course, that will never happen with the GOP that is loyal to Trump and not the Constitution.
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Grassy Knoll
(10,118 posts)mn9driver
(4,425 posts)Buh bye.
CurtEastPoint
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(22,329 posts)onecaliberal
(32,852 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)His proposed remedy is impeachment by the legislature and prosecution and / or civil litigation after the President has left office. He also says any change to implement this would have to come from a new law passed by Congress and signed by the Executive.
He has some valid points, but with our current President, I just can't get behind this proposal.
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procon
(15,805 posts)NO man is above the law.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Vincent Bugliosi wrote a long analysis attacking the Supreme Court decision in Paula Jones v Clinton, arguing the case should have been delayed until after the presidency. I found it completely convincing. The court can just put a case on hold, not killing it, just postponing it.
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Kavanaugh has said Roe v Wade is settled law, that he would uphold it because of stare decisis.
He sounds better than some others.
Thunderbeast
(3,406 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)on Maddow, he thinks a Prez could be investigated and tried for criminal and civil actions now under current law. So he believes Congress should pass a law preventing that because impeachment is the process to try a sitting Prez.
I kind of feel the same way, except I would not make it unlimited. I think the Prezs job is important enough not to get bogged down in most civil suits or a criminal conviction for smoking a joint. Again, I dont think such a law should apply to every criminal action including rape, abuse, murder, treason, and a lot more. But impeachment is there if Congress is doing its job. Once Impeached, a Prez could be tried for all that stuff.
This works both ways. While Id like to see trump perp-walked for any crime including stealing the WH towels or tried for any civil matter, it might be a Democrat next time.
We can put a stop to a lot of this crud in November if we dont blow it.