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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI believe Elizabeth Warren is the best option for 2020.
Progressive bona fides with experience in both the legislative and executive branches, a sharp mind who can speak in-depth about law and economics, and a compelling personal story about overcoming the poverty of her Oklahoma youth. She speaks passionately about getting money out of politics, about breaking up monopolies, fighting for higher wages, and understands that the selfish, deregulatory era of Reagan is the root of so many of our current problems.
I love Kamala Harris's toughness, but I think she's still unseasoned and there's a lack of a connection I feel when I watch her interviews (I think she is one of the most likely nominees, though). Cory Booker is too corporate in my mind, though I appreciate his passionate demeanor. Cuomo, MacAuliffe, and Gillibrand have been mentioned, but I don't think they garner excitement. Biden, Sanders, and Clinton are re-treads. I think John Hickenlooper will be a wild card, though, having overseen economic growth in Colorado, which is emerging as an important left-of-center state. He was even on Clinton's shortlist for VP.
I believe that leaves us with Warren. She exhibits several of the best characteristics of the above people. She too was considered by Clinton for the vice presidency, which should say something.
Some downsides:
1. She ultimately was NOT chosen by Clinton for VP, and you wonder why. One article quoted a Clinton aide as saying it was ultimately something outside of Warren's comfort level. That may just mean it was too early for her, or she is better suited as a #1 than #2. I think that Clinton chose a man on her ticket to balance the historic nature of her identity, something that Warren couldn't help.
2. The Native American ancestry issue is, admittedly, goddamn stupid. It's completely contrived. But Republicans are good at framing this sort of thing, and Warren will eventually have to put this to bed once and for all. Candidacies have been sunk by far dumber things (see: Howard Dean's scream).
3. She will have to get around the inevitable "Massachusetts liberal" label. It's not a geography issue so much as a perception thing. Obama was from Illinois/Hawaii, and Clinton and Trump were both from New York, so we shouldn't put up with crap that says our candidate needs to be a white man from the South or "the heart of America." But that kind of charge can stick, as it did with John Kerry.
I do believe Warren will run. Her current line is "I'm not running" (using the present tense), but I think her careful words are evidence that she's at least considering it.
In the meantime, we have midterms to win
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Until the Midterms. Can this wait until then?
We need to be ONE party right now! ONE.
We dissolve into arguments in 2019, when the impeachment hearings are underway.
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)I just don't get this need to prop up ANYONE for 2020 right now while the most consequential elections in the USA's history are just around the corner. Lord.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)But I'm a County Committee democratic party official - like I'm having an ad hoc meeting at my house this week. EVERY single door has to be knocked on in my precinct. Every single one.
awesomerwb1
(4,267 posts)Good to hear you guys are going to be working so hard to help take the country back.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Chances are it's hot as hell outside as well. TY
Music Man
(1,184 posts)But I enjoy hypothesizing about this sort of thing, and I think we can fart and chew gum at the same time.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)I have the following to focus on (I'm serving a two year term on democratic committee)
Mayor
Two Council Candidates
Two Free Holders
House of Representatives
Senate
I don't have time for anything.
I have SEVENTEEEN Tuesdays.
It's really crunch time and down to the last hour.
Last night? Was the last hour.
Music Man
(1,184 posts)You rock
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)here on a freaking discussion form? I thought that the whole point of DU is to have discussions about whatever anybody wants to talk about. Yet, it seems like, when anybody starts bringing up 2020 instead of 2018, some people quickly jump in to shut it down like, if we were to talk about 2020 for five seconds, 2018 midterms will be ruined. I don't get it.
Upthevibe
(8,042 posts)For God's sake, can't we still have a conversation? You're absolutely right that the whole point of DU IS to have discussions about what folks want to talk about. WTF?!- Someone can't start a thread about 2020 because it means we're spending 10 minutes on this thread instead of 10 minutes on another thread about 2018?!?! IMHO, those who don't want to join the conversation should treat this like a T.V. show, if you find it offensive, turn the channel!
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)I have to call Lisa Murkowski, and then call around to make certain that all borough Committee Members and County leadership can make our ad hoc meeting tomorrow night.
murielm99
(30,736 posts)Politics can turn on a dime. Even two weeks can bring huge changes.
We might differ on baseball but we are on the same page on this.
ooky
(8,922 posts)That will confuse Hannity who to launch his felony conspiracy against. I'm sure they already have the narrative prepared but don't know who's name to put on it.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 10, 2018, 04:19 PM - Edit history (1)
as I've stated many times before, Democrats do best when running smart, young, charismatic candidates.
JFK - Bill Clinton - Barack Obama were all in their mid 40s when elected.
Plus, as much as I like Warren, I'm not sure how charismatic a speaker she is.
Who fits that bill this time around?
Booker is 49 now; Harris is 53; Julian Castro is 43; Gavin Newsom is 50; Hickenlooper is 66; Chris Murphy of CT is 44; Jeff Merkley is 61; Kirsten Gillebrand is 51; Deval Patrick is 61; Erick Holder is 67; Eric Garcetti is 47
Going by those ages, it's Castro or Murphy.
Quixote1818
(28,930 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I think an Hispanic would be ideal. More diversity!
Upthevibe
(8,042 posts)I've googled him to get more details on him. What I've seen I really like!
Our candidate will be running against a 74-year-old. PLEASE someone at least under 65! Sorry Bernie and Joe and yes Elizabeth too.
A relatively unknown (nationally) Governor has been a good bet for us (Bill Clinton, Carter, FDR). Less ammunition for the GOP Slime Machine. We need someone with lots of real government leadership experience as a contrast to the current amateur hour. I like what I hear about Washington Gov. Jay Inslee. Actually I think PA's awesome Tom Wolf would be a great Pres. but he's pushing 70 although he looks a lot younger.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)in 2020, I'd vote for Charlie Manson back from the dead over him.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)disabled Americans.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)There is no bar to her being president.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I guess I'm wrong. Good. Glad to hear this!
I guess the only thing I want to know is if she interested in running. She is certainly an American hero...
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)she's a loss outside of New England
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Easily twisted into anything they want her to be. Very ugly. They'd thrill at the ready-made nickname. Weaker than Hillary and mistakes would be abundant.
Warren would carry the vast majority of our reliable states outside New England but ultimately it would be a defeat. We continue to underestimate the immense advantage of presidential incumbency.
Freddie
(9,265 posts)Look what they did to HRC. The Slime Machine would be in full force.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)even here in liberal MA. She also has a bit of a charisma problem. I think she is doing a great job, but I don't think she is presidential material. She doesn't have broad appeal.
FSogol
(45,483 posts)The whole cult of personality and divide everyone who doesn't support "my preferred savior" is really tired.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)I don't believe for one minute that was OP's intent - but having gotten through the 2016 primaries (and you were here too) - it will only divide us.
Wait until they announce/throw their hat in the ring.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Lets wait until after the midterms and then see who actually decides to run.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)at this point in time.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)Quixote1818
(28,930 posts)It would be fun to see Biden go head to head with Trump because Biden is extremely eloquent and quick thinking and comes across as sincere and kind of like a Dad sticking up for his kids.
I think Trump would have more trouble running against Warren than Clinton because she is a bonafide populist with less of a track record. I also think Warren comes across as moral and genuine than most politicians. I liked Hillary but I think Warren will have a lot less image trouble than Hillary had.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm not even aware of the options. Shit. I didn't know Warren was running.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)that he thinks he has to thoroughly sidetrack any debate with her as a candidate with his constant baiting. I think it best to keep reminding people of Trump's shady roots. He cannot take Warren's fire away. She speaks her mind. But he and the propaganda machine that passes as a mind on their side...are vicious. They have no other strategies for maintaining their power.
The way they tend to go after the women on our side is a disgrace. Pelosi and Waters. Warren and Clinton. They do hate the women, don't they? And blacks and Latinos and LGBT and Jews et al. But the women first for those cowards.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)and am already sick to death of ANY and ALL conversations about 2020.
kevink077
(365 posts)Only if Biden bows out. Biden is the strongest by far to take on Trump.
Biden/Gabbord or Harris is my dream ticket...
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)appalachiablue
(41,131 posts)DigitusImpudicus
(2 posts)That doesn't always translate into being a great Presidential candidate.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,320 posts)We could use a few dozen more just like her.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)gopiscrap
(23,758 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)We've seen very little from her on these subjects and what little we have seen didn't reveal alot of depth. I'd like to see more first.
calguy
(5,306 posts)in my opinion she is not presidential material. Her public persona is weak in the eyes of many voters we'll need to win in 2020. She's doing a great job as a Senator and I vote to keep her there.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)She's a perfect fit right there.
radius777
(3,635 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 10, 2018, 11:14 PM - Edit history (1)
and I don't think she'd defeat Trump, but I would gladly vote for her if she were the nominee although I'm generally not a fan of the populist wing. She did support Hillary in the primaries and is a real Democrat unlike Sanders.
I think we could only win with someone like Xavier Becerra or Cory Booker, both of whom are suave and good speakers and could excite the Obama coalition (PoC, youth, women) that is crucial for us to win, while also attracting moderates.
FreeState
(10,572 posts)Love both their politics but their personalities dont do them justice.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)another Democrat in the run. He was a great mayor for Cleveland. He had the same problem Richard Nixon, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton had - Dennis's brother robbed a bank.
MFM008
(19,808 posts)........
Comatose Sphagetti
(836 posts)Less time/history for the right-wing slime machine to gear up.
Odious justice
(197 posts)Run Biden or his 55 year old equivalent.
JCMach1
(27,556 posts)Not putting my chips down anywhere yet for 2020... Show me some leadership somewhere Dems.
The most effective Democratic leader and resistance to Trump is actually Gov. Brown. Is it time???
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Hickenlooper as Veep.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Rhiannon12866
(205,320 posts)She made that very clear in this interview from two months ago with Jimmy Kimmel:
Jimmy Kimmel: Guest Senator Elizabeth Warren on Health Care & Minimum Wage
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017490334
Senator Warren talks about getting her fighting spirit from her mom, how hard it is to live off of minimum wage in America, Donald Trumps inauguration, the fight to bring health care to all Americans, why calling your representatives is important, and reveals whether or not shes running for president.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,491 posts)Democratic Presidential candidates win when we go young. Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, Obama. Young, energetic, hopeful and with a vision for the future. We need someone young and good looking like Gavin Newsome, maybe Corey Booker. Or we need Uncle Joe to go toe to toe with the asshole. Тяцмр pretends to be one of us, Biden is the real deal. Hes authentic, hes sincere, he has the gravitas to get the blue collar workers and hes tough enough to throw Тяцмрs garbage right back in his face.
I like Elizabeth Warren, shes smart and well qualified but she cant deal with bully Тяцмр. Hed ridicule her to death and run her right over with the idiotic Pocahontas crap. As stupid as that is, it will be used against her. She wont actually take a dna test to prove it because I expect she already has privately. Its a dumb, ridiculous thing but it makes her look like a liar. Itll just give people a reason not to vote for her. And its suoerficial stuff that doesnt matter to us that will matter to a lot of the middle America idiots. Massachusetts liberal, the fact that shes a woman, her age and, I hesitate to say it, her voice. She doesnt have a good voice. People wont hear what she says, theyll hear how she says it. She has a scolding schoolmarm voice. People hated Hillarys voice, theyll hate Warrens more. I realize its ridiculous and has nothing to do with her qualifications but its a real thing.
No, Warren isnt the one. Shell lose, maybe spectacularly and for the dumbest of reasons.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)Hamlette
(15,412 posts)I couldn't support her in the primaries and think she would be a disaster as prez.