This Is the America White People Wished For. This Is the America White People Want

[sheshe2]

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Since the 2016 presidential election, I have read and I have heard from people—mostly white but some nonwhite—that it’s unfair to generalize about white people just because Donald Trump is now our president. The rush to defend themselves has been so unceasing that #NotAllWhitePeople has become a popular and synopsizing shorthand for that collection of actions.

Admittedly, I do possess an incremental sympathy for the white people who perhaps have been mischaracterized as shitty and self-destructive trash. #NotAllWhitePeopleAreGarbagePeople. But while those generalizations might not be completely accurate, they’re necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president and what he and his administration are aiming to do (and currently doing).

Trump’s presidency and policies have been equal parts petty and punitive. Its primary objective is to retain whiteness’s status for generations to come—the status of straight, white, Christian men, particularly—and in doing so, it also aims to punish anyone who stands or even just exists in opposition to it. They want to punish blacks for not being white. Muslims for not being Christian. Women for not being virgins. Poor people for not being wealthy. Immigrants for not being what they consider to be true Americans.

Of course, Donald Trump did not invent racism. Nor can you credit him for creating some of our more draconian and heartless immigration and foreign policies. They existed before him and were enforced by the presidents preceding him, including Barack Obama. But what he’s done is removed the muzzle and added an amplifier.

More: https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/this-is-the-america-white-people-wished-for-this-is-th-1827488153

The MAGA'ots believe it is a White America and they own it. The First Americans were of color and the white man committed genocide of this countries First Peoples to make it theirs. Shame on you then and shame on you now. We are a diverse nation, please get over yourselves.

[xajj4791]

1. When Trump was elected...

a bunch of my friends told me I should not delete them because not all Trump supporters were racist, sexist, pieces of garbage. Here we are in mid 2018 and I have yet to have anyone prove to me otherwise. While I am white and do not care to be called the many things whites are called post-Trump, I can do nothing but hang my head in shame that he is our PoTuS.

[nycbos]

2. Martin Luther King said

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice.


Seems pretty relevant now.

[xajj4791]

3. Unfortuantely

I have a feeling most of them did this:

Anti- minorities - i am white, not a minority so no effect on me
anti- immigrants - I am a citizen not an immigrant so no effect on me
anti- women's rights - I am a male so no effect on me or I am a god fearing woman and so no effect on me
anti- non-christian - I am a christian so no effect on me

"Trump may not be my chosen candidate, but I benefit from all of his ideological beliefs so I will go with him! But keep in mine, I am not racist, sexist, or religionist."

[nycbos]

4. No doubt.

I agree. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[xajj4791]

7. ummm.

I was by no means excusing them or saying those two things are not mutually exclusive. Anyone who voted for Trump IS all of those things because they supported those things and not indirectly because they knew he was going to take those stances as PoTuS.

[nycbos]

8. I think we are in agreement.

[BumRushDaShow]

32. That was from his "Letter from a Birmingham Jail"

and Joe Madison has been quoting that passage often now... particularly since the fiasco of the attack against Maxine Waters.

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

[mountain grammy]

94. Yes, very relevant.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

403. Harry Belefonte: "...white America needs to change course..

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reaching Martin Luther King Jr's dream for America

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation
[Harrybelefonte/Charlayne Hunter-Gault:

Excerpt
Harry Belefonte:

..."Until white America begins or even decides to identify a moral course of history, I don't think anything is going to happen. I think America will self-destruct.

Charlayne Hunter-Gault: But the civil rights movement was black and white together.

Harry Belafonte: Yes....

....The case is that we have to fix it. The fact is that it's not fixable if white folks don't decide to change their course of conduct.

The only thing left for black people to do is to burn it down. We have been lynched. We have been murdered.

And, if you look around, never before in my 91 years of history as an American have I ever seen the nation more racially divisive than it is at this very moment, including the days of the Ku Klux Klan and the segregation laws of the South."

[Gothmog]

319. Campaigning while black

Link to tweet

[Judi Lynn]

5. It's never too late to acknowledge the truth so many racists have refused to admit.

Just because their mothers and fathers were rancid racists doesn't mean they are dishonoring them by growing up to become decent people themselves.

Honoring the truth, and living free of hatred, malice, and violent aggression and prejuidice toward perfect strangers won't make you impotent or so weak other racists can shove you around. What makes you look weak, mentally, and morally is racism.

Thank you, sheshe2. So glad to see your thoughts today. They address reality directly, something which is still feared and hated by people who do not want to respect other people.

[magicarpet]

24. For decades upon decades the bigots and racists were so nasty to minorities....

..... now they are petrified as demographics make the whites % drop and people of color increases.... the whites fear the minorities will dish out the same shit treatment handed out to minorities over the years.

When whites out numbered minorities - minorities got a real raw deal. Whites do not want to be out numbered because they think their turn as minorities might not be so pretty because of the nasty bull shit they handed out not so long ago.

[heaven05]

55. THIS!!!!

is one of the problems as we move forward in this country. THE FEAR of losing WHITE ENTITLEMENT and PRIVILEGE that has always been guaranteed to ANY white person of any class. This is fact.

[sheshe2]

117. Yep.

[Quayblue]

144. Yes.

Wanting equality does not equal wanting revenge.

[sheshe2]

50. Thanks, Judi.

The census is changing the demographics. They are in fear and the GOP, itself fearful, stokes those fears. Imagine a country run by all shades and not owned by the lighter shade of pale anymore.

Times a changin'.

[SamKnause]

6. I am a white 65 year old female.

This is NOT the America I want !!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am ashamed of this country.

I am embarrassed by this country.

If a civil war breaks out, I will not be on the side of white people.

I will never forget Tamir Rice's sweet, innocent, little face.

[xajj4791]

9. Unfortunately,

I think it broke out years ago and no one told the Democrats. Republicans started it when they said "anything to get elected".

[Hortensis]

347. Well, whatever. But just look around. Liberalism and decency

win more often than not. Society has always advanced more than regressed.

[bdamomma]

16. 63 yr white woman

who feels the same, this shame that has been thrusted on all of us, one thing I hate hearing since I am a ex-pat is "your President" on some occasions, my back goes up like a cat and I say "stop he is not my President" or I avoid bringing up politics this is dirty treasonous takeover, through a evil adversary it makes me do this and

[DownriverDem]

18. Absolutely

I totally agree with you. I too am white and will not be on the side of white people.

[marieo1]

19. minngal

I am in total agreement with you SamKnause. I am completely sick about things that are taking place, from DJT, McConnell, Pence, Sessions and the whole lot of them. I have never seen a more corrupt bunch of people. I am embarrassed by MY country. I know we are not perfect but they (the reps) we have gone so completely overboard, I hope and pray our ship can be righted. I so appreciate DU for giving us a platform to express our consternation. Thank you, DU!!

[sheshe2]

116. I am with you Sam.

Same age too.

[scarletlib]

163. 100 percent with you.

I believe in and support diversity.

[samnsara]

177. im a 67 yo white female and this aint MY amerika!

[Gothmog]

236. Agreed-this is not the America that I want either

[radius777]

10. Latent white nationalism is at the core of this

and is not merely a fringe ideology, but one that animates much of the right and even some whites on the left.

White nationalists simply overtly say what the majority of whites subconciously believe, that the US was founded by white men who only intended it to be a white nation.

They conveniently gloss over the fact that the New World (multiple continents) was stolen from Native Peoples who were slaughtered and cleared out like trees... and the new countries depended heavily upon African slave trade to build them.

IOW, the US is a house built upon a stolen and blood-soaked foundation.

Of course white nationalists believe that whites are superior and entitled to do this, ie Lebensraum.

Basically, there is a sociopathic brattiness underlying white racism, best exemplified by Trump.

[weissmam]

11. the people that voted for trump are either racist or idiots

period

or both

and the have strong feeling of inadequacy

[LakeArenal]

13. They definitely should have feelings inadequacy.

They are.

[kimbutgar]

12. In my local paper the San Francisco they had an article saying hate crimes rose in California

Race, religion and sexual orientation hate crimes in all three of these catergoues in 2017.

After a 6 year decline starting in2015 hate crimes increased to double digits and from 2016 to 2017 they increased 17.4%.

“This is a disturbing rise in hate crimes,” said Nancy Appel, senior associate director of the Anti-Defamation League’s Central Pacific Region. “The numbers have been going up in recent years, but this is a significant increase across categories.”

The Rev. Amos Brown, president of the San Francisco branch of the NAACP, blamed the increase in hate crimes on President Trump, saying his remarks, in speeches and on Twitter, have made discrimination and hate acceptable.

“This president has emboldened those who are perpetrators of hate with his rhetoric, his vulgarity and with his outright abusive language attacking people from Caribbean Islands and from Africa,” he said. “It begins

https://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Hate-crimes-on-the-upswing-in-California-13061474.php#photo-12828185

I’ve seen white people here in San Francisco be hostile and give dirty looks to minorities. One man I busted and asked him if he starches the white hood he keeps in the closet. He looked at me and stomped off.

[sheshe2]

34. Good for you for looking him in the eye, kim.

And calling him out on his racism. Sounds liked he stomped off like a little child when called out. You took his hood off, he didn't like that. So big and strong behind that mask.

The president has emboldened them with his hate filled rhetoric like "shithole countries", dog whistles to his rabid crowd. The hate crimes started to escalate right after the election and will continue to increase with his feeble crowd of sniveling losers.

[heaven05]

56. It's not just there

it is mean out here. Hate looks are common now. I just look right back at them. Fuck a trumper. They are fearful cowards unless they have a badge and gun and they are still cowards that shoot unarmed POC in the back. AMERIKKKA sucks these days worse than ever before. BIGTIME.

[radius777]

68. We need to expand hate crime laws

to include hate based harrassment, that would also include teens (been many attacks by white teens against PoC lately).

The problem with MLK's civil rights movement, as Malcolm X noted, is that it depends too much on the 'benevolence' of whites.

This only works so much as whites 'agree' to go along, it breaks down otherwise, which is why we need laws that guarantee civil rights in everyday life, rather than depending upon white benevolence.

[samnsara]

179. ive often thought rape shoud be included in hate crimes..

[Gothmog]

238. Hate crimes have increased under trump

Link to tweet

[woundedkarma]

14. Why not just title it...

"I don't blame all white people, but... "

[Gothmog]

239. #Racist white man caught on camera after throwing a chair at black woman while she's reading outside

Link to tweet

[Snake Plissken]

15. This is the America people who were too lazy to vote created and received.

I'm White and this in not the America I want nor is it the America anyone I associate with wants.

[Ferrets are Cool]

17. I really hate this shit with a passion...

DONT FUCKING LUMP ME IN WITH THIS REPUBLICAN TRASH.

This is MY country too and I am WHITE. I can't help that I was born this way. I can help the way I comport myself.

So, when you are dressing down the one's who are responsible for this shit we are in, do it responsibly.

THIS IS THE MERICA THAT REPUBLICANS WISHED FOR.

Damn, get it fucking right.

[Garrett78]

27. It doesn't say all white people. It just says "white people." But it's the majority of white people.

As Young wrote, some amount of generalization is "necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president."

We have a pandemic of racism (and sexism) in this country.

[mythology]

44. To be fair, no it isn't

It's a majority of whites who vote. It's more like 30 percent. I suspect the OP would be angry if I pointed out that 1 in 3 black men will go to jail at some point and so black people are choosing crime.

It would not only be racist to make such a claim, it would also disregard the systemic factors and thus be simplistically inaccurate. Unfortunately that simplistic approach is easy. Whether it's Trump and his supporters or otherwise.

The OP also shows a lack of historical knowledge when claiming the colonists committed genocide as if it was intentional. The vast majority of the population decline post Columbus was due to disease not intentional violence. Additionally the native population was in steep decline 1000 years before Columbus.

[Garrett78]

60. We're not just talking about voters, though.

Numerous surveys demonstrate that a majority of white Americans have what amount to racist viewpoints, such as subscribing to the lie known as "reverse racism."

This is nothing new, of course. Although from 2001, I think this Tim Wise article is still relevant.

According to a public opinion poll from a few years ago, only six percent of whites in the U.S. believe racism is still a “very serious” problem facing blacks. While larger percentages believed racism to be somewhat of a problem, only this anemic share of the white community saw it as an issue of great importance. When you consider that twice that number, or as many as 12 percent, have told pollsters they believe Elvis Presley may still be alive, it becomes apparent that delusion has taken on a whole new meaning for the dominant racial majority. Apparently, it is easier for whites to believe that a pill-popping, washed-up lounge singer faked his own death and is playing midnight gigs at some tropical resort, than to believe what black folks say they experience every day.

So it was no surprise to read yet another poll, indicating that whites largely don’t think racial discrimination remains a big problem, and that whites and blacks continue to view issues of race far differently. According to the recent Gallup Survey on Black-White Relations, seven of ten whites believe blacks are treated equally in their communities; eight in ten say blacks receive equal educational opportunities, and 83 percent say blacks receive equal housing opportunities. Only a third of whites believe blacks face racial bias from police in their areas. Despite the fact that half of all blacks say they have experienced discrimination in the past month, whites persist in believing that we know their realities better than they do, and that black complaints of racism are the rantings of racial hypochondriacs.

First, as will be shown below, there is the evidence indicating that equal opportunity is the stuff of fiction, not documentary; and secondly, the simple truth is, white perceptions of racism’s salience have always been splendidly naive. Indeed, as far back as 1963, before there was a Civil Rights Act to outlaw even the most blatant racial discrimination, sixty percent of whites said that blacks were treated equally in their communities. In 1962, only eight years after the Brown decision outlawed segregation in the nation’s schools (but well before schools had moved to integrate or equalize their classrooms), a stunning eighty-four percent of whites were convinced that blacks had equal educational opportunity. In other words, white denial of the racism problem is nothing new: it was entrenched even when this nation operated under a formal system of apartheid.

Of course, this ignorance of the lived realities of black people is no surprise. Rather, it is the result of our isolation from African Americans in daily life. More than eighty percent of whites live in virtually all-white neighborhoods, and nearly nine in ten white suburbanites live in communities with less than one percent black populations. What’s more, only twelve percent of whites in law school today — who by historical standards have had more opportunity to mix with people of color than any generation before them — say they had significant interaction with blacks while growing up. One can expect this degree of isolation to lead to a skewed perception of what other people experience. After all, if one doesn’t know many blacks, or witness discrimination, it is all the more likely that one will find the notion of widespread mistreatment hard to digest. Especially when one has been socialized to give more credence to what members of one’s own group say, than what the racial “other” tells us is true.

[heaven05]

64. You know people always fall back on this BS

Prove that one in three AA males are going to end up in prison. White people commit just as must crime as AA, but because those numbers are not spread all over the front page, I have to read garbage like this. Hell, look at the crime being committed by this potus and his whole family. What race are they? Please stop insulting the intelligent AA on this site. The genocide of the red man wasn't intentional???? What history are you referring to? Was slavery of Africans intentional? Jeez, I give up.

[CozyMystery]

407. And what about the scads of white collar criminals that get away with their crimes?

The vast, vast majority of them are white. I think white + wealthy = a free pass for many of those criminals.

I think that if we added up all the potential white criminals who go unpunished, we'd be amazed at the number.

I would like to know why Trump wasn't in prison way before he became POTUS. He certainly hadn't been a law-abiding citizen during the many decades before he decided to be a presidential candidate.

Of course, included in my round-up are all the people (also mostly white) who assisted the primary white collar criminals in effectuating their crimes. Also included are people who are big fish in small ponds -- there are plenty of white-collar criminals whose sphere of influence doesn't extend to the national stage.

[sheshe2]

127. To be fair.

The OP also shows a lack of historical knowledge when claiming the colonists committed genocide as if it was intentional. The vast majority of the population decline post Columbus was due to disease not intentional violence. Additionally the native population was in steep decline 1000 years before Columbus.

You have links for all that?

.................................................

At Least 3,000 Native Americans Died on the Trail of Tears

https://www.history.com/news/7-things-you-may-not-know-about-the-trail-of-tears

The Indians were transferred from the forts to detention camps, most of them in Tennessee, to await deportation. At both the forts and camps, living conditions were bleak and diseases rampant, and an unknown number of Cherokees died.

Wow...this sounds familiar with what trump is doing now. Mass arrests, waiting for deportation. However this WAS their land.

The route followed by the largest number of Cherokees—12,000 people or more, according to some estimates—was the northern route, a distance of more than 800 miles through Tennessee, Kentucky, Illinois, Missouri, Arkansas and into Indian Territory. The last groups of Cherokees made it to Indian Territory in March 1839. A century later, Route 66, the iconic highway established in 1926, overlapped with part of this route, from Rolla to Springfield, Missouri.

The U.S. apologized to Native American groups in 2009.
In December 2009, President Barack Obama signed a bill that included an official apology to all American Indian tribes for past injustices. U.S. Senators Sam Brownback of Kansas and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota led a bipartisan effort to pass the resolution, which stated: “the United States, acting through Congress…recognizes that there have been years of official depredations, ill-conceived policies, and the breaking of covenants by the Federal Government regarding Indian tribes.” However, the resolution did not call for reparations and included a disclaimer that it wasn’t meant to support any legal claims against the United States.

Thanks so much for saying I am stupid. I am not but you keep on keeping on.

[Iggo]

223. "It's a majority of whites who vote."

The ones that count, then.

Literally.

[heaven05]

305. To be truthful

1 in three white people is racist. And no, 1 in three black males are not going to prison and the black people I know are NOT choosing crime. Genocide was committed by white people against the First-american. That disease ploy you used, it was smallpox in blankets given to First-americans who had no defence against the diseases of white people that killed many thousands. Syphilis also. I know who should get their history and numbers correct and it's not the poster you responded to. facepalm:

[Garrett78]

318. Based on surveys and election results, I think it's closer to 2 out of 3.

I consider denial of racism to be an expression of racism. Mind you, I think there's a substantial percentage of white Americans who aren't racist, though they aren't necessarily well-versed in anti-racism or oppression theory.

[fallout87]

214. Then why doesn't it say "Some white people"

or "A lot of White people"

It's pretty obvious that by blanket stating "White people" has certain meaning.

[Garrett78]

216. It's implied, as it is in many headlines. Nobody seems to have this reading comprehension issue...

...when white people aren't the subject. Here's an example: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210853515

[fallout87]

224. It's divisive... just look at the replies in this thread

But like I said... that's what Russian Trolls are trying to do. So bravo for cheering it on. Good on you /S

[whathehell]

263. Of course it is..

and I sometimes wonder if that's not the objective.

[EffieBlack]

292. What's "divisive" about it?

How does the OP divide people who were previously united?

Who does it divide from whom?

Does the OP change the way you or anyone approaches race and racial justice?

[sheshe2]

324. Crickets

Surprise. Surprise. Surprise.

[whathehell]

231. It's not at all "implied"..The opposite is implied.

Just as it would be if someone made a general statement about Black People which really only applied to a few.

Qualifiers like "some" are used for a reason.

[KitSileya]

260. Problem is, it doesn't apply to just a few white people.

A majority of white men and white women voted for Trump. Voting for Trump shows you're a racist. A majority of white people in America are racists (or don't care enough about minority groups to vote to save them, which, you know, shows that you have no problem with racism, which makes you a racist.)

[whathehell]

262. That's the problem with stereotypes

It takes more than a "few" to create a stereotype, but that still doesn't make it a majority -- This is the point minorities have been trying to make forever.

Eight Million Obama voters voted for Trump in 2016. Their numbers included 13% of Black men and 33% of Hispanics, so no, I don't buy the argument that the Trump win was entirely about racism.

[KitSileya]

265. Anyone who voted for Trump voted for a racist.

He clearly demonstrated that he was a racist before the election. I say that anyone who votes for a racist is a racist themselves. It doesn't matter if they have a Black best friend, or never uses the n-word, or whatever - if you vote for a racist, you don't care about the consequences for people of color - and that makes you a racist. A majority of white people voted for Trump - ergo, a majority of white voters are racist.

I'll give you the argument that the Trump win wasn't entirely about racism, though - it was about misogyny too. Trump voters are racists or misogynists or both - most often both. Throw in homophobia too, as well as hatred of disabled people, and it leaves us with the knowledge that NO Trump voter is a decent person. They're despicable people who at the very least are willing to sacrifice the lives of minority groups for their own benefit, at worst are salivating to start eradicating minority groups and turn them into slaves.

[whathehell]

267. Do you think 13% of Black men & 33% of Hispanics are racists?

Do you really believe that 8 million Obama voters suddenly turned racist snd voted for Trump?

He is racist and misogynistic, but the fact is, those "isms" aren't always at the top of everyone's mind, and that doesn't, imo, make them particularly "racist" or even "misogynistic".

Some surely were one or both of those, but many were thinking of other things -- The stats show, for instance, that Hillary's numbers went down sharply right after Comey's "report" on her emails. Throw in Russian meddling and you really have a conundrum.

I think we'd all like life to be simple, but it's not -- It's complicated, and I think this past election was too.

That said, I really can't discuss the subject anymore with those who won't acknowledge its complexity. It's a waste of time and energy for us both, so I think I'll just have to leave it there.

[Garrett78]

268. I encourage you to read the following:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/why_did_some_white_obama_voters_for_trump.html

[whathehell]

270. I encourage you to avoid confirmation bias

and peruse more than one source of information.

Goodbye and good luck.

[Garrett78]

272. Nice cop-out. The article refutes your assumption about Obama-Trump voters.

So, I'm not surprised you won't read it.

[whathehell]

273. You "copped out" of answering the questions in my post's subject line

Why should I take your "suggestion" if you ignore my questions?

[Garrett78]

287. The article addresses your question about Obama-Trump voters.

And just as there are sexist women, there are racist persons of color. And, no, I'm not talking about the bullshit concept of "reverse racism" or "reverse sexism." I'm talking about women being sexist toward women and persons of color being racist toward persons of color.

There are also people who are ignorant and pay little attention to politics but still vote.

And once again, Mr. Young never said *all* white people.

[sheshe2]

325. I am assuming you have a dozen links to back that all up.

Please post them.

[whathehell]

338. Seriously?

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Those links have been referenced & posted several times here since the election -- You do your own research.

[Garrett78]

266. Nobody seems to have this reading comprehension problem when the subject isn't white people.

Like in the example I gave: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210853515 (and see post #3 in that thread).

Everyone understands that it's not *all* marine turtles that are dying.

Everyone understands that it's not *all* drugmakers canceling price increases.

Headlines frequently don't include qualifiers because they are implied. And nobody bats an eye...except here on DU when the subject is "white people." Then all of a sudden the lack of a qualifier is some great omission.

[whathehell]

269. Turtles aren't people and there would be a lot more than

eye batting on DU if anyone made an unqualified, negative statement about ANY minority group...You know it and I know it, so let's stop pretending.

[Garrett78]

271. It doesn't matter if turtles aren't people, unless you're purposely trying to miss the point.

Drugmakers are people, yet nobody said a thing about the drugmakers headline that lacked a qualifier. It was just accepted and understood that the headline was not referring to *all* drugmakers. Again, this only seems to be an issue when the subject is white people.

Scroll down to and read the "White Denial" section of the following article: http://www.mediaed.org/transcripts/Tim-Wise-On-White-Privilege-Transcript.pdf (starting on page 5).

Mr. Young is right to point to the "vastness and depth of white support for our president" (and Republicans in general). If we magically woke up in a world free of racism, the Republican Party would cease to be viable.

[whathehell]

274. Actually, it does, and you appear to be purposely missing my point

Given that, the prospects of this exchange seem bleak, so I'm
afraid I'll be bidding you goodbye & good luck.

[Garrett78]

286. The point is that a qualifier is assumed, so long as the subject isn't white people.

When it is, all of a sudden brains shut off. There's no issue with headlines that lead with drugmakers or turtles or Puerto Ricans or Black farmers (all examples I've pointed to), but if it leads with white people, the shit hits the fan.

This is plain to see, and you know it, which is why your only counter-point is the weak ass "turtles aren't people." LOL

[radius777]

30. I get what you're saying, and

there were some PoC (disgraceful) who voted for Trump, and many whites who voted for Hillary.

But a defining feature of this election is white resentment and white identity, even in the Dem primary which split on race, with PoC heavily supporting Hillary and white (especially rural) Dems heavily supporting Sanders and his movement that was heavily steeped in the hatred of so called identity politics they believed Obama and Hillary benefitted from.

[sheshe2]

38. The article didn't...

DONT FUCKING LUMP ME IN WITH THIS REPUBLICAN TRASH. I know I am nmot that person.

The same reaction from people on every post about race. No one said you, it truly is not about you. I'm white and this doesn't bother me in the least because what the author is saying is correct.

[heaven05]

63. This is the ameriKKKa all

whites have benefitted from since the days of the genocide of the red man and the enslavement of the black man. It's still the same today and if you're so put out about being labeled as part of the race that has and does oppress POC and 'others', then take your white privilege and entitlement and throw it in the trash. Walk with me. When you see that racist that you are not, giving me the I hate niggers look, will you speak up? If you are in my car and I just got stopped for DWB, will you speak up? It's so easy to deny being part of the problem when white apathy has kept racism alive FOR GENERATIONS and white entitlement and privilege a reality for ALL white people who choose to take advantage of it. Yeah, you get it straight and quit cursing the truth teller. You really need to check yourself.

[sheshe2]

101. +1

[Gothmog]

393. What is with white people and pools

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

397. Employee who allegedly told children wearing hijabs they could not go into a public pool reassigned

Link to tweet

[Quayblue]

70. Read the article

[RhodeIslandOne]

77. As a white as white can be man who lied in bed for weeks in a deep depression....

......after that shit bag won, I abhor this shit.

[sandensea]

20. White right-wingers - not all white people, certainly.

That said, it's a worldwide trend unfortunately:

Countries with eroding white majorities seeing their white voters radicalized by fast-talkers exploiting their fears of darker-skinned peoples.

Can't fix stupid.

[sheshe2]

41. "exploiting their fears of darker-skinned peoples."

Exactly, sanensea and goddess knows our GOP excels at that.

[JimGinPA]

21. It's Ignorant To Generalize About ANY Race

This OP is in poor taste.

[FreeState]

23. +1 n/t

[Honeycombe8]

25. This is the America Black People Wished For. This is the America Black People Want.

See how that sounds? And reads? See how it generalizes a bad thing done by a minority of a group, and extrapolates that out to all members of a group. That is the essence of discrimination.

I would think an Af. American would know this, of all people.

(And let's not let facts get in the way...like Russia & Trump rigged the election.)

[7962]

46. well said.

same shit, different day. This country would just run perfectly if we could just shove out the darn white people. Yeah, right.

[sheshe2]

115. IMHO trumpers should be locked in cages

and the non white children should be set free.

Do you agree?

[7962]

162. 1/2 Ridiculous. Who does it sound like when you want all trumpers locked in cages?

Putin. Maduro. Jail your opponents. Wonderful.
Of course the families should be reunited. And at some point they will be. Trump gave the gift of the TERRIBLE optics to all voters. According to the pools, even many of his voters thought it was going too far

[heaven05]

307. trump locked children in cages

so "lock that bigoted, racist sucka up" and all his administration. THROW AWAY THE KEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!fuck trump.

[sheshe2]

326. The babies are not our opponents and jailed.

Of course the families should be reunited. And at some point they will be.

At some point? When? Oh wait they said they released some under five year olds. THEY SAID! And no one can confirm that for a fact. They said! Bullshit.

[heaven05]

69. A minority of a race does

not enjoy privilege and entitlement based on their skin color a majority does and always has. Racism is here today 350 years later from the inception of the first black slave into amerikkka, because a majority of the white race in ameriKKKa does not want it gone. See how that reads? It is the truth. Equal justice under the law. Tell me a majority of white people have asked for that. How does that sound? Read? Funny how guilt hurts one into running from the truth. The poolside pauls and paulas, are just the ones openly hating. The barbeque backy's have the potus enabling and encouraging. How does that read? AmeriKKKa is a racist country because a majority of the white race say, "it doesn't affect me". So the beat goes on. How does that read?

[Honeycombe8]

310. I understand what you're saying. But it doesn't apply. Discrimination is discrimination.

It does work both ways. It seems the beat goes on..it's not endemic to just one race. Blaming all of one race for the actions of some in that race is discrimination.

How does it read? It reads like discrimination.

BTW...I have no guilt whatsoever. I have never done anything against others because of race or ethnicity. Quite the opposite. My best friend, who is black, is the same. We both try to avoid generalizing to an entire race what some in that race do. It's hard sometimes, because as the OP shows, there is sometimes an inclination to do that, unless you have a friend who calls you on it, or you remind yourself not to do that.

[heaven05]

312. Bigotry and discrimination

Racism in amerika was created by white people to grant to those who like their privilege and white entitlement and perpetuated by a large, huge minority of people in the white race wanting to assure their white privilege and entitlement. I don't want you to feel guilty about a huge sub-group, 66 million at last count, of White people who are still responsible for perpetuating racism, I want it stopped. People of your race hate and then get all bent out of shape when it comes back on you. Transparent as hell. And the black best friend ploy? Transparent as hell. That along with I'm not a racist, BUT... ....period. People out here see right through that. bye

[Honeycombe8]

313. Now you see how discrimination spreads.

Some people think it's okay "in this instance."

So believe what you want. It is unjust to blame all of one race for the actions of some of that race. Which race doesn't matter.

I'm not arguing an opinion. I'm just telling you the bare definition:

Discrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex."

I will continue trying not to discriminate against others based on race, age, or sex. You can continue doing what you are arguing for.

[heaven05]

314. I've read it a few times myself

and it doesn't explain why RACISM has been against POC, African-American, especially for 350 years. Does it. Yeah, very bare minimum.

[heaven05]

306. truth does hurt sometimes

and I'm not sorry that the OP struck a nerve in you. Your title is distraction BS, not even close to showing how far some people go to hold on to their privilege and entitlement based on their skin colour only. Geez.

[Garrett78]

29. Young didn't say *all* white people. He just wrote "white people." It is the majority, however.

As Young wrote, some generalization is "necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president."

This is a pandemic, which has inflicted this nation since the beginning.

[whathehell]

232. Without a qualifying word like "some" or "many" it is implied. n/t

[Bernardo de La Paz]

45. +1. Worse than poor taste. The OP is counter-productive to all progressive goals. . . . nt

[heaven05]

76. Really?

So is the apathy of white people when it comes to racism. Very counter-productive. White privilege and entitlement. Very counterproductive to equality and justice as it has been for generations. All who want to deny, can. You are only fooling yourselves. Too many people know the truth out here. The line of argument I am responding to is old and washed out. Throw it in the trash. Try something new. Maybe you can try to fool more people that way? Especially those pesky brown people always fighting to be americans. What's wrong with them?

One word hatefully created by one race and used by that race to describe another race with the intent to degrade, humiliate and shame, negates every gain that the AA is STILL fighting for since slavery. THAT should not be. But still is. Tell me it isn't true. I am an AA vet. The word that falls so easily off the lips of millions and millions of americans of the white race negates every sacrifice I have made and seen others make for this ungrateful and evil country. Period. All this denying is old, washed up and just not cutting it anymore.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

124. If you made a thread about apathy of people (incl white people) re racism, you might find me agreein

But this thread is not that.

You and the OP are getting trapped by all-or-nothing purism, by binary thinking, by making a false dichotomy. The perfect is the enemy of the good.

One word hatefully created by one race and used by that race to describe another race with the intent to degrade, humiliate and shame, negates every gain that the AA is STILL fighting for since slavery.

Negates "every" gain? Of course not. Nonsense. Binary thinking is useless. It leads to contradictory conclusions. The world is not black and white but filled with shades of gray, and many hues and colors.

[heaven05]

130. no trap

the usa is a big dangerous part of a world trapped in black or white. Been living with it, personally for a long, long sickening, disgusting time. So grey? Many hues and colors? Ok, yet who wants to hold on to, at all cost, the notion that one color is the color to reckon with? I look east at that fool called a white supremacist wrecking ball disguised as a potus. Tell him and ALL who in this country are trying to hold on to privilege and entitlement, equality and justice based only on white skin that the issue of racism of white against black is shaded in grey. Black skin is still oppressed by wearers of white skin. That's white racism and it is damn sure black and white. Like it or not.

[brer cat]

172. "The OP is counter-productive to all progressive goals"

"All"? Does the OP prevent a $15 minimum wage, does it halt M4A, does it encourage economic disparity, does it welcome unlimited corporate spending in elections? Of course not. Nonsense. A huge blatant over-generalization is not the truth.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

173. It doesn't prevent or halt them, but driving wedges between allies hinders those goals.

Again, though I used "all" and maybe should have used "nearly every" if I had had space, there is a big difference between "halt"/"prevent" and "counter-productive". The latter is much milder than "prevent" and "halt", which are terminal.

And points to you for reflecting back "huge blatant over-generalization". A "bit" but not "huge". Still, points to you.

[sheshe2]

257. So.

Bernardo de La Paz

173. It doesn't prevent or halt them, but driving wedges between allies hinders those goals.

So allies are a fickle lot? They withhold their support when their feelings are hurt?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

258. No.

[heaven05]

308. Support and actual votes

[EffieBlack]

295. How did the article drive a wedge between you and any POC with whom you're supposedly allied?

Please be specific.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

335. Not me personally, though it certainly did not help. . . . nt

[EffieBlack]

339. That doesn't answer my question

Since you've now qualified your comment to exclude yourself specifically, please explain how the the article drove a wedge between any Democrat reading it and any POC with whom they're supposedly allied?

And what exactly did "it certainly not help" and why. Again, please be specific.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

342. I didn't qualify the question. You did. You wrote "you". So I answered that question. . . . nt

[EffieBlack]

330. Care to answer my question?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

336. Done. . . . nt

[EffieBlack]

340. No, not "done" at all

Saying "I didn't mean me, but it certainly didn't help" in no way explains why the article is "divisive."

If you can't answer the question, just say so. But pretending you answered it when anyone reading your "response" sees you did nothing of the kind isn't going to let you off the hook.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

343. I have answered your question directly and as to your further questions, see my posts in-thread. .nt

[EffieBlack]

345. In other words, you can't answer my question.

Got it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

353. Oh, I can and I have. In other words you won't study my answers.

These divisive threads increase tension because some people make obnoxious over-generalizations and won't let them go. It's unnecessary and not useful.

Now, I'm letting go of this.

[whathehell]

281. It's divisive

and that, in a racially diverse political group, is counterproductive.

[EffieBlack]

359. What's divisive about it?

Who does it divide from whom? How is it counterproductive? How does anything in the OP make anyone less likely to be an ally in the fight for equality and racial justice?

White Democrats regularly say things that I find offensive, but that never negatively affects my commitment to the Democratic Party, its goals or principles. So please explain how something a stranger writes about race in anyway "divides" a true ally from others fighting for the same cause.

Or do you just not like reading anything you don't agree with about race - and only race since I don't recall seeing you trying to shut down discussions about any other topic that you don't like because you claim it's "divisive?"

It seems to me that, like some other people, you think race should be discussed only on your terms and you feel entitled to try to dictate the content, nature and tone of discussions about race and think you're in a position to tell others what they can and can't discuss based on whether it makes YOU feel uncomfortable - and anything that you don't like is somehow "divisive," that worn out catchphrase that you seem unable to define.

[Gothmog]

241. DL Hughley: 'The most dangerous place for black people to live is in white people's imagination'

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

255. Dayum.

That is the truth.

“Honestly, you can be — you can have just shot up 17 people, and the police will arrest you,” Hughley said. “They know you have a gun, but they’ll shoot the kid they thought had one, they’ll shoot him in the back.”

[whathehell]

280. We may as well face the fact

that there are some here who just enjoy shit stirring and envelope pushing -- They couldn't care less about progressive goals.

[EffieBlack]

294. How is this article "counterproductive to all progressive goals?"

Does this article make you any less likely to continue pursuing "progressive goals?" If so, why?

[Tipperary]

48. But not surprising.

At all.

[heaven05]

79. Nothing surprising

that white racism is still embraced by millions and millions of americans and the sacrifices of the recipients of that racism are still hated because of their skin color only. Not surprising at all. So forgive me if I don't buy into all this washed-up BS that is the SOS heard by AA for generations.

[sheshe2]

59. The author is talking about trumpers...

And by the way nowhere did he say ALL WHITE PEOPLE.

[JimGinPA]

75. I Re-Read What You Posted...

(I wasn't the least interested in reading the linked opinion piece) and stand by my prior reply. If you just re-read your title and don't see the blatant generalization you're not being honest.

I've Rec'd many of your OP's in the past but I believe the people that Rec'd this should be ashamed of themselves - and if you leave this bigoted trash up I'll certainly think less of you.

[sheshe2]

96. It is the authors title for the article he wrote.

(I wasn't the least interested in reading the linked opinion piece) and stand by my prior reply. If you just re-read your title and don't see the blatant generalization you're not being honest.

As a white person I happen to agree with him and no there is no generalization. So when people disagree, see things differently, you then call them dishonest? Nice personal attack. My opinion is dishonest and yours, by your say so, is the honest one.

I've Rec'd many of your OP's in the past but I believe the people that Rec'd this should be ashamed of themselves - and if you leave this bigoted trash up I'll certainly think less of you.

Now here you are telling the people that agree with the OP should be ashamed of themselves? And if I do not self delete you will think less of me? Wow. Alrighty then, that's for you to decide. I decide to leave it up.

[heaven05]

309. I rec's it and not ashamed

OR in denial of the truth.

[sheshe2]

355. Well of course you did not read it...

just flat out call it a generalization WITHOUT READING IT!

Another poster just responded and highlighted the article you sweepingly call a generalization....this kinda makes your generalization of an article that you never bothered to read makes you look...

Instead of a link, I copied and pasted so you might actually read the article that I posted and you condemned without reading.

Bongo Prophet (2,190 posts)

351. For those who say the author should have just said "most" white people then it would be OK

Well... from the article:


Of course, Donald Trump did not invent racism. Nor can you credit him for creating some of our more draconian and heartless immigration and foreign policies. They existed before him and were enforced by the presidents preceding him, including Barack Obama. But what he’s done is removed the muzzle and added an amplifier.

This is what Trump campaigned on. This is what he said he would do. This is what they want him to do. And “they” are most white people.

It’s most white men. It’s most white women. It’s most white college graduates. It’s most whites without a degree. It’s most white Christians. It’s most 18- to 29-year-old whites. Most 30- to 44-year-old whites. Most 45- to 64-year-old whites. Most whites 65 and older.

An America with restricted access to legal abortion is an America that most white people want. An America where children are ripped away from their parents at the border is an America that most white people want. An America where school shootings are an acceptable byproduct of the generous interpretation and expansion of the Second Amendment is an America that most white people want. An America where law enforcement is able to commit consequence-less crimes against people of color is an America that most white people want. An America where anything that stands counter to the president’s lies is considered “fake” is an America that most white people want.

They are not horrified by him and what he is doing. They asked for it. They wished for it. They voted for it. And they are everywhere white people are.


Alright, so there you have it! Sorry about your fucking eyesight so bad you can't see the truth even if it is explicitly spelled out for you. So I bolded it for you. Check your own selves, instead of accusing a long-time, well respected DUer of being a fucking troll. I repeat, check your own selves, your defensiveness, your biases, before accusing another of ill intent. Get real, fellow white "but-not-in-a-BAD-way" fellow humans.

Grow the fuck up!

[whathehell]

185. Oh sure -- Like white people have to say "all black people"

to get criticized for racial stereotyping -- Give us a break.

[sheshe2]

229. WTH?

Who is the 'us' you speak of?

[whathehell]

230. SheShe2?

The white people on this thread who object to the OP's equating them all with Trumpers.

[sheshe2]

233. Wow.

You speak for all of them? If so perhaps you will pass on a message to them so that I do not need to do so individually. Never once did the OP equate you or anyone else to all trumpers.

The end. Night.

[whathehell]

235. "Wow" indeed.

"Never once diid the OP equate you or anyone else to all trumpets""

Of course he did -- I'll let you "pass on" the denial.

.

[whathehell]

228. Then the author needs to SAY "Trumpers".

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Trump didn't LOSE the popular vote by 10 million through minority votes alone.

[heaven05]

66. No it isn't

I'm going to generalize. White people committed genocide against the red people. White people enslaved black people. White people interned Japanese people, white people with real power have taken kids/children from their parents. The white race, in particular, has enjoyed privilege and entitlement based only on their skin color, for generations, while denying it to non-white people.

The OP is truth and only in poor taste because white people don't want to admit the truth of the OP. That's fine because you are only fooling yourself.

[JimGinPA]

67. The OP Is In Poor Taste Because It Is In Poor Taste

Period. Your weak attempt to justify it doesn't change that in the least.

[heaven05]

93. you are entitled to

believe what you need to feel comfortable in not wanting to deal with the truth. Period. You are free in amerika. Nothing weak about anyone who's truly been dealing with white racism all their lives. "Weak"? Silly attempt to make yourself look stronger. Didn't work. Have a good one

[Gothmog]

242. WATCH: Cop caught on video taunting black men -- and bragging about killing people

Link to tweet

[fallout87]

208. The more threads I read from OP, the more I think Russian Troll

Does nothing but sew discord here on the forum. Just like this thread.

[MrsCoffee]

275. Your accusations are out the line.

Can’t believe the fauxrage over this OP.

[betsuni]

278. Agree.

Like Trump blathering about fake news.

[Gothmog]

240. Three racially charged confrontations have occurred at swimming pools already this summer.

Link to tweet

[mbusby]

22. This white person....

...doesn't wish it or want it. To hell with them all.

[JCMach1]

26. Trump understood the Republican base better than Republicans

Did...

He has used that ever since to leverage his fascist dreams...

[rainin]

28. Wow! As a white person, I'm pissed off by this. Thanks for judging me by the color of my skin.

We all know that's judging people by the color of their skin is wrong...unless you are judging white people.

What do you want me to do? Not be white? Kill myself?

But, thanks for your "incremental sympathy". Shame on you for writing this garbage.

[Garrett78]

35. Young didn't say *all* white people. He just wrote "white people." It is the majority, however.

If you read a headline that says, "Fish are getting caught in plastic 6-pack rings, the "some" is implied--naturally, not every fish is getting caught.

But, as Young wrote, some level of generalization is "necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president."

This is a pandemic, which the US has been suffering since the beginning. The problem of racism continues to be so much of a problem that the UN Working Group of Experts on People of African Descent traveled to the US just a couple years ago. The results of their study were damning.

[virgogal]

53. I agree---this is nothing but racism. Astonishing to see it here.

[sheshe2]

57. Nope, sorry.

You are calling Mr Young, a black man, a racist?

Black people cannot be racist, and here’s why

Minorities cannot be racist. I’ll say it louder for the people in the back who did not hear me—minorities cannot be racist.

Racism is the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. That definition was not found on Tumblr or Buzzfeed, but good ole Merriam-Webster.

The system of racism begins with a race designating itself as superior to another. To carry out acts of racism, a race must have power and privilege. There has never been a time in American history when a race other than white has had power and privilege over another—especially in the case of African-Americans.

https://star.txstate.edu/2016/02/black-people-cannot-be-racist-and-heres-why/

[Jamaal510]

149. +1

[sheshe2]

150. ...

[uppityperson]

180. I've a question, please take it as a request for clarification, information

What is it when, for an example that I've experienced, an indian (who has told me to not use "native American" about them) speaks very negatively toward Hispanic workers come to work crops, or any black person? Is this not racusm, since indians never had power/privilege over any other race? If not racism, bigotry? I think you are saying there is a difference in the terms, but don't understand.

If this is opening up a can of worms in the forum, pm is ok. If I've asked in the past, if we've already had this conversation, I apologize for my memory. I'm off to work, will check in later.

Thank you.

[sheshe2]

315. Sorry I have not responded.

I am doing home care for my 92 year old mother. I can't always get back.

I would say the Indian is a bigot, not the same as racism which I already gave the definition of and applies in this case as well.

This is a good explaination here.

Are prejudice, bigotry, and racism the same thing?

No. And this is a HUGE source of misunderstanding.

Prejudice is when a person negatively pre-judges another person or group without getting to know the beliefs, thoughts, and feelings behind their words and actions. A person of any racial group can be prejudiced towards a person of any other racial group. There is no power dynamic involved.

Bigotry is stronger than prejudice, a more severe mindset and often accompanied by discriminatory behavior. It’s arrogant and mean-spirited, but requires neither systems nor power to engage in.

Racism is the system that allows the racial group that’s already in power to retain power. Since arriving on U.S. soil white people have used their power to create preferential access to survival rights and resources (housing, education, jobs, voting, citizenship, food, health, legal protection, etc.) for white people while simultaneously impeding people of color’s access to these same rights and resources.Though “reverse racism” is a term I sometimes hear, it has never existed in America. White people are the only racial group to have ever established and retained power in the United States.

Read More:http://www.debbyirving.com/qa/are-prejudice-bigotryand-racism-the-same-thing/

Thanks, uppityperson.

[uppityperson]

316. Thank you, best wishes to your mom

[sheshe2]

317. Thanks.

[philly_bob]

290. An opinion piece in a Texas student newspaper does not establish

that your definition of racism -- by which no black person can ever be racist -- is the accepted definition.

I'd like to see this discussed intelligently, perhaps as its own OP.

For instance, in the case raised by Uppityperson, below, of the American Indian who disparages Hispanics, if that's not racist, what is it? If Sister Souljah's "why not have a week and kill white people?" is not racist, what is it? Hatred? Prejudice?

Acceptance of your definition is by no means universal. If it was written into the Democratic Party platform, it would destroy any claim to big-tent inclusion and drive away voters.

[Mosby]

298. What's it called when a 92 year old disabled Hispanic man is beaten with a brick while being told

To "Go back to your country"?

Who had the power? It sure wasn't Mr. Rodriguez.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142104836

[heaven05]

366. diversion, distraction bullshit

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period.

The woman with the brick is a bigot. Quit trying to take the onus of guilt attached, with reason and fact, to the creators of racist hate off of the people whose race gives them the power to enjoy all privileges offered by Amerika while also having THE POWER to deny those privileges to POC, AA specifically. That power STILL resides in every white hand choosing to avail themselves of it. All these barbeque becky's, chair throwing toms, calling on an 8-year-old AA child doing a modern lemonade stand, you know that beautiful Norman Rockwell painting depicting that, right? They have proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that COMMON WHITE PEOPLE/CITIZENS HAVE THE POWER to shift their guilt and hate to a situation where one of their biggest fantasies can come true. To see an AA endure the 21st-century style of lynching, being an unarmed AA man, woman and child shot down like a dog in the streets by police and citizen alike. And please don't forget there are, paul and paula, the gated community pool protectors coming out woodwork like roaches with rabies.

I see so many people try and shift their guilt at the white hate on to those who are hated. And this action has been perpetuated for generations and that is why white racism, against the AA specifically, is still an enduring force and tool available to ANY white person.

And now, racist hate has been pumped full of steroids by the potus, who has so enabled, encouraged and the emboldened THE white racist group of MILLIONS that racism is openly and proudly displayed. Wait till next month in Charlottesville.

The ability to shift guilt has become all the more obvious and transparent. White guilt shifting has always been a translucent and laughable ploy of the guilty and always will be.

[sarah FAILIN]

65. There is a group here that posts this trash so you shouldn't be surprised.

I was told they post this sort of stuff on purpose then all get online at the same time to stir stuff up. If any of them get chosen for the jury duty of one of their own posts, they can vote it didn't violate TOS. If they get on the jury of someone they don't like that is speaking against them, they can claim anything no matter how innocent is a violation. Supposedly they hang out at another person's site too and make their plans. It is always against white people though. I've wondered if it might be bots trying to break this board to be honest.

[Tipperary]

88. Yes, I learned from a longtime poster about this.

It is pretty obvious if you track the replies on these threads. I sometimes read for amusement, but then I just trash these type threads. As I am doing right now.

[wonkwest]

108. I've noticed the pattern

I actually stop posting for a week or two at a time, because I tire of logging in to see posts that are basically, "Why white people are evil . . ."

It just doesn't belong on a site where we're supposed to treat one another as equals.

And I think that's known, and that it gets posted intentionally. Some people get a charge from riling people up. And when called on it, they go, "Who, me?!" And then try to turn it around on you. By mere complaint, you are complicit.

There are a hundred different approaches to these topics, and yet the most inflammatory ways are always the ones reached for first.

It's some dysfunctional, toxic shit.

[Crunchy Frog]

211. Yes. The TOS no longer gets enforced

Due to the way the jury system works. The only thing that gets enforced is the currently dominating groupthink.

I really wish they would ditch the jury system and go back to the previous system of moderators.

[sarah FAILIN]

213. That would be great

Unless one of the ones playing this little game gets chosen as a mod..

I have just decided to ignore their bait from now on. They can say whatever they want. It reflects on them, not us.

[Crunchy Frog]

221. The mods HAVE to enforce the rules.

And they don't get to make decisions unilaterally.

We actually did have RW trolls become mods on occasion, but the rules still got enforced.

[sarah FAILIN]

251. It would be better than this crap

I have a different account to avoid their attacks, but still use this one for anything in their realm and sometimes just out of habit. Notice they still try to bait me and I would be biting if they hadn't been sold out. Once I heard how they do this, I was done.

There is just no sense in anyone tearing our group apart unless they have goals set by Russia to keep us in a useless state. We need to be fighting together, not each other.

[philly_bob]

171. Much of their material comes from the website theroot.com,

which is billed as "Black news and culture."

For instance, the article in OP comes from there, written by Damon Young:

https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/this-is-the-america-white-people-wished-for-this-is-th-1827488153

I have no desire to censor or criticize The Root, but those who bring those articles over to DU, a site that includes all races and types, and aggressively defend them here, are encouraging racial division, to the detriment of DU's reputation among next-election voters.

[KitSileya]

261. Yes, because we all know that calling out racism

is worse than being a racist. Calling white people (excuse me, *some* white people) racists is worse than being a racist. Everyone knows that.

/

[whathehell]

283. What we all know is that it's one race, not "racism"

that's being "called out".

[EffieBlack]

296. You're suggesting that a majority white site "includes all races and types" while a majority.black s

is somehow suspect?

The Root is not a discussion board - it is a site much like HuffPost or Salon - the difference being that its contributors are majority black. Do you have a problem with people linking to predominantly white sites or do you think they, like DU "include all races and types" and, therefore, are acceptable while the Root somehow biased?

Or do you think that majority white with a few minorities mixed in is "diverse" but majority black with a few whites mixed in is not only 'black" but is also less valid?

[Me.]

195. Geez ...Conspiracy Much?

Deep state and all that? White people better be 'afered' which is what worried white slave owners....the uprising.

[JustAnotherGen]

199. Never thought I would read something like this at DU

Not your post - what you are responding to. *sigh*

[Me.]

202. I know

totally gobsmacked

[Gothmog]

247. Racist Colorado cop swiftly fired for using a racial slur- then gets rehired less than a year later

Link to tweet

[heaven05]

311. BS

the truth is in this OP. Don't have to agree. I also see a 'special' group that denies truths and uses distraction, diversion and denial to stir shit up. I wonder if it might be bots trying to destroy the Democratic Party?

[heaven05]

84. Trying to sneak that one in huh?

won't wash. You know the whole systemic, institutional nature of racism and who can perpetuate it freely and now openly, again, right? Won't wash. Racism in amerika is a white institution and system designed to shame, humiliate and degrade non-whites and it only keeps going because a MAJORITY of white people need it to continue to feel entitled and privileged, superior and on top. Racism is only perpetuated by the white race. Period. NO ONE else.

[Bok_Tukalo]

191. So whites are inferior? I think there is a word for believing a group is inferior based on melanin

<OPE>

[heaven05]

193. you funny

no need to answer.....

[sarah FAILIN]

322. Lol

You know this is easy to spot.
All of it is.
Goodbye.

[heaven05]

341. this is for you

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and all the 'progressives' who here have questions about "reverse racism or 'splain what level of pain should be present in AA angst and worry over white people who are racists and murderous. Pro or con, I do not delineate. Please. Have at it. Rage is becoming palpable.

I'm still in research for justifications and proper retaliatory force response to counter obvious murderous and violent means being employed by 'authority' especially against POC, specifically against AA. Mainly by the forces of fascists trying to subdue amerca and Americans under the moniker of racist fascist Amerika, the swastika, one more and less mirroring the original under the authority white skin. And all POC of different cultures and ethnicities affected by the fascist increase in genocide forces and use. ICE just the latest 'action figure' and HS a reaction/interdicting force on steroids. Dea and FBI are still standing yet with this Mueller, ongoing investigation, it might be one way to put Russia on notice, it ain't going to be as easy as a trump administration as tools for Soviet intentions concerning amerika. They have to see us as weak to have been able to co-opt a potus so easily with a filmed 'golden shower' and with many of their lackeys, men, women, latino, gay, Asian AA lackeys and his ICE forces
This trump administration is the culmination of the 9/11 reaction to terrorism by forces in racist RW america. 9/11 left a lot of UNANSWERED questions. Just simple physics and coincidence questions really. BUT I digress. Just COINCIDENCE, I'm sure.

Am also parsing out the incidents of white racist violent hate attacks against, non Europeans. Wondering still whether these are an escalation of control represented by a major white racist riot in Charlottesville, Aug 2017, the start of the 2nd Civil War by white amerikan extremist in current power in Wash. D.C. against the free AA to enslave again and keep all other minorities coopted or put in cages and internment-extermination camps. Patriot Act more or less cinched the authority of an administration to be able to add the yoke of brutal fascism as a burden to all.

Not all white persons hate others based on the color of one's skin. I have good neighbors so far as I feel. Genuine human beings of warmth and acceptance. By and large, I think most human beings enjoy the moment with others. Wish it to be with us all. Us all continuing to make our way as inhabitants on this still spinning speck of dust in a seemingly endless expanse called our universe.

I feel We are headed toward something unconfortable for the truly sheltered american. Expected and planned for as a scenario by the watchers of peace and decency and those not willing to accept 2nd class citizenship. This potus is ruling with fear and malice.....the writing is on the wall, given failing eco-systems, superpowerful storms , 'ring of fire' fairly active, the Yellowstone caldera hasn't blown yet.

This observation is constant and nationwide, that those of the darker hues of melanin were/are most liable picked up for LWB and most are just as this states..innocent. All this BS here whining about how criminal the AA race is. What about the violent nature of white people from the very beginning(s) of this nation? A race of European settler from many cultures who committed a first-class genocide and extreme 'human rights' offences who put smallpox/syphilis in blankets given to First americans and killed thousands and thousands. The 'Trail of Tears' by then potus Andrew Jackson, another racist example of the continuing push for dominance. The 'wild west', slavery, racial segregation, Jim Crow laws, continued today as 'redlining' and 'gentrification' to name just two human rights sins being committed in this century by racist amerikan people, their institutions and systems.

Ferguson, mo. Charlottsville 2018...both murderous riots, one in retaliation against police brutality summarily, lethally, based on non-compliance to stop jaywalking and to white authority, of course. Young mr. Brown thinking this guy gotta be kidding. Executed on the spot because of a jaywalk misdemeanour. The opening shots of a 2nd Civil War, still undeclared?

That is still simmering and percolating.

DWB, BWB, SWB, barbequing while black, Sandra Bland, that one really hurt, being brown and cutting someone's grass, inspecting houses with the right to be there, out stumping for votes as THE elected official, The Tamir Rice execution, devastating and complete. An11-year-old playing in the local park, with a replika of a real weapon, executed within 1.5seconds of officer arrival. Dead before he knew what hit him. Shot and killed by police because they felt threatened already having drawn the own weapons only seeing brown skin with weapon.. ., citizens and police alike killing and murdering UNARMED AA, MALE AND FEMALE ADULTS AND CHILDREN, some just out to buy some skittles and ice tea and wearing a hoodie in THEIR gated community, jaywalking, many here supported that one. And in Last few days 'civilized' society, Caucasian mainly oh, so outraged when 'AA rage bubbles over in unnecessary but an understandable violent incident. The 'pile on' smothers me. 38-year-old dad beats up AA child of 8 years old over a soccor game dispute. Rage expected. I guess like a school shooting massacres, country western massacres in Las Vegas all the way back to Columbine? Usual tsk-tsking but nothing like the rage I have read in the last couple of days about another violent .

So I will say it is no laughing matter white racism has had such endurance as an ameriKKKan INSTITUTION AND SYSTEM OF CONTROL of AA and 'other' POC. And to a lesser extent majority of poor whites, of the class of perpetrators of systemic excesses of race brutality who are trumps major voter constituency and brutal suppression forces. Did I mention that white ameriKKKan racism also assures the continuance of white privilege and entitlement?

LOL from you? Fine, laugh all you please, it tells me EXACTLY where you stand. Malcolm X said it and I quote, "Racism is as American as Apple Pie" and I can't find it in me to see where this is untrue. It's the Godawful truth. Not calling you a racist mind you. Just extremely sad to keep having to read here, that the AA anger and rage is a threat to established ways of thinking in moderate, progressive white americans, like you maybe? At 70 years of age, nothing has changed for the better. The current potus encouraged and enabled in so many an open and virulent white hot racist rage in reactionaries who have been hating since the Nixon-Atwater's open and undercover racist strategy to lessen minority participation in our voting system by co-opting many a Democratic Party southern legislator and mainly southern voters who gave their vote to the racist right wing to push Nixon in to ultimately being forced to resign only because he got caught in more skullduggery to steal an election. RACIST WHITE Skullduggery to steal an election and votes from liberals, progressives and the then negro who just recently had been given the right to vote. Go figure . Open Minority Voter suppression started then.

Now having culminated in a racist potus who proved how hate and racial fear can be manipulated in the RW voter crowd to keep distractions going while they destroy America and Americans and rob the Treasury blind. Also proves just how close to the surface white fears of losing perceived white supremacy, entitlement and privilege is and was.

I enjoyed this particular discourse. Thank you and keep laughing.


https://www.theroot.com/florida-police-chief-told-cops-to-pin-crimes-on-african-1827599977

[sarah FAILIN]

344. I read none of it

Not worth my time.

You keep on cutting and pasting though, lol.

[heaven05]

350. didn't really expect

you to, really. It was fun for me to add a little reality to your living in a privileged entitled little bubble world. I'm done with you, thanks for making a bet of mine reality...got a little extra......

[sarah FAILIN]

356. Lala-LALA-LAAA!!!

Still not reading your bs-ery

[Gothmog]

389. WaWa gas station clerk falsely accuses black woman of shoplifting because of her 'big afro'

Link to tweet

[Quayblue]

71. Read the article

[heaven05]

82. aww

have you been judged because you are white? How does it feel? From the day I fell out my mother's womb, I've been judged on skin color only. How does it feel. You know nothing about being judged by your skin color, nothing. Have you told any goddamn white racist to shut the fuck up when you hear them spouting off about "that goddamn n*****s, Mexicans, Muslims and on and on? Have you done that? I have. Lately damn near every day.

[rainin]

95. Awwwww, "how does it feel" to be attacked? "Awww, you poor little snowflake white thing."

Is that what you're saying to me?

[rainin]

97. So, being white makes me immune to hate? Hummm, I bet that is news to the morbidly obese,

to the LGBTQ community, to the handicapped, to every other group that is DIFFERENT. You win. Only you know what it is like to be judged.

[heaven05]

133. that's not the point

everyone judges. White racism is based on one reason, supremacy against all POC. All other groups as you mentioned are judged as you say and that can sometimes be called bigotry or prejudice, it is not racism. Think what you please. I live it also, hate based on my skin color and it is becoming more open every day. Which is good. I know now how many enemies I always had. Only AA and some POC know hate and racism.

[Vinca]

31. Sorry, but this post is offensive. Do you suppose there are any white people here who want this?

[mn9driver]

37. It's meant to be offensive. There's an election coming up.

The same sort of posts started appearing in 2016 before the election. It’s not hard to figure out.

[cwydro]

52. Yep.

This.

[heaven05]

87. and all the 'usual suspects'

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have shown up. I am laughing at the obvious transparency of the denial of the realities of why white racism has continued for generation after generation in MILLIONS of white people. Kind of disgusting really and truly expected.

[sheshe2]

104. You just agreed that my OP is offensive.

Please explain that to me cwydro. You find the fact that white people are being called out for voting for trump offensive?

from the Op

Admittedly, I do possess an incremental sympathy for the white people who perhaps have been mischaracterized as shitty and self-destructive trash. #NotAllWhitePeopleAreGarbagePeople. But while those generalizations might not be completely accurate, they’re necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president and what he and his administration are aiming to do (and currently doing).

Please tell me you are not more offended about Mr Youngs mention of "white people" than the atrocities that this president and admin are undertaking. He never said all white people, now did he?

[heaven05]

86. I am really surprised

at many here. The fake denial in this post is really transparent and expected. White privilege and entitlement is a difficult thing to give up. I understand and your post about 2016, pure BS.

[SMC22307]

200. Yes, let's sow division before the midterms.

Brilliant strategy! Like clockwork, that one...

[EffieBlack]

297. How does this OP "sow division?"

Please be specific. And saying "because I don't like it" or "it offends me" or "people are disagreeing with it" won't cut it since the vast majority of the posts here stir disagreement, controversy and discussion - which is kind of the point of an anonymous online discussion board.

What specifically is divisive about this OP?

[heaven05]

85. Sorry, but it is not

white racism, now that's truly offensive and has been for generations...get my drift.

[Vinca]

160. No because I've never lumped everyone who looks or acts a particular way into the same category.

You've pretty much decided that I'm a Trumphumper because I happen to be white and if that isn't offensive, I don't know what is.

[heaven05]

165. I said wrote nothing of the sort

I know, for a certain fact I have always been "lumped" as a particular person. The Word describing my personhood my whole life starts with an 'n'. So did it for my father/my primary caregiver, his father/mother and down the line until the first African slave(s) hit these shores in 1619 as an indentured servant. Granted, white people were, by and large, the same class in working for the already established and controlling rich class of Amerika.

Indentured servitude for Africans ended in 1654 when JOHN CASOR became the first African.

From then on a series of laws in the Colonies stripped away the dignity and human rights of EVERY AFRICAN, free or not landing in Amerika. Something like trump is doing with all asylum seekers of color and their CHILDREN today. All Africans free or not, Christian or not slowly became the property of the white race. I say race because an African could not hide from the then majority race, the white race. Sorry, I "lumped" again. A POC has continually been "lumped" " together with all of the same color(s) of skin.

Of course, I am sure you know that ANY white indentured servant who could no longer stand their obligation, could melt away into the crowd and be free.

I don't know if you secretly like what trump represents or not and looking at white people in the streets, it is hard to "lump" them into a group or sub-group of the white race until they become paul and paula pool police, barbeque becky's or just some damn cowardly, hateful and racist white cop shooting unarmed AA men women and children as young as 11 years old. But with AA it is easy to "lump" us all into a race and a lot of white people do. How? One-word description and the color of one's skin. No matter the gain and/or CONTRIBUTION of the AA to this racist nation, whether in the sacrifice of lives of POC, in the armed service or otherwise. In making life easier and safer for white Americans among others, that dignity and respect is stripped away, always, with one word. Hell, even President Obama could not escape that ONE WORD description. Lumped? That's lumped.

All this indignity and outrage shared in this thread by people, who could have demanded an end to racism, prejudice, and bigotry generations ago and gotten it, didn't and haven't since JOHN CASOR. The Civil and human rights of POC are in certain danger of being stripped away, again. Give me a break on the outrage and offense.

Offended? Okay. Amerika may call itself a "the melting pot". It has only granted unequivocal full citizenship to one race that could, by an entitled privilege of one's skin color, claim and hold on to ameriKKKan citizenship. The others of brown and black skin have had to fight and continue to fight, at one political and social level, for full american citizenship, respect, and dignity.

When the majority of the white voting public vote to ban racism, put it on the book , NEVER TO BE ENDANGERED by a hateful racist chump fool such as trump and his AA-administration. Then I guess all white people can stop being "lumped" together and become allies or not.

Have a good one. I am done with this thread of .......

[doc03]

33. I am "white people" and I despise everything Trump stands for. What do you call someone that

hates an entire race of people because you disagree with some?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. Prejudiced. It means pre-judging, as by color of skin for example.

I'm with you against prejudice no matter what direction it is coming from.

[Garrett78]

36. Folks, the "some" or - in this case - "most" is implied. Nowhere does Young say *all* white people.

But Young accurately points to the "vastness and depth of white support for our president." It's of pandemic proportions.

If only white people voted, the Democratic Party would never win national or even state-wide elections. The majority of white Americans are incredibly racist.

[HopeAgain]

39. Supression of minorities is not only exercised by White people...

Don't forget the Hutu genocide of Tutsis, for example. I think there is an element of human nature involved. Tribalism certainly must have had some advantages when we were all hunter-gatherers, and people have been enslaving each other since at least the early bronze age. To a degree, all people can suck depending on the situation they find themselves in and how they react to it. To imply it is a frailty based upon the color of our skin would be reverse bigotry (bigotry as in judgment of others based upon their physical attributes). It takes civilization, empathy and education to overcome our lesser natures, and history is loaded with examples where people have fallen way short..

American Whites (of which I am one) claim that America is a land of equality and liberty, however, so that makes our current situation particularly singular and distasteful in that there is loads of hypocrisy heaped upon American racism. I don't talk to other whites by pointing out that racism is wrong, they know that and indulge in it anyway. I like to point out the hypocrisy of America claiming to be the land of equality while they continue to red-line their neighborhoods. They claim to be the land of equal opportunity while they quietly provide schools in white neighborhoods with more of the resources than schools where minorities attend. They claim to be the land of the free while they incarcerate blacks at a rate of 5 times higher than whites.

So I do think the American White Society (recognizing that not all white people suck) sucks in a very special dishonest and hypocritical way.

[heaven05]

89. so have I

for years.

[NoMoreRepugs]

40. A diverse populous yes, diverse nation no.

Politics, business, wealth..... primarily controlled by WHITE America.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. No. You are not helping with divisive threads like this. . . . nt

[heaven05]

91. nothing divisive about the truth

except for those who don't want to deal with the truth.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

123. A huge blatant over-generalization is not the truth. It is not reality. . . . nt

[heaven05]

141. over-generalization is

what you call the words of the subject of the OP. Every white person is not a racist and that is plainly understood as a point in OP. But white racist and whites, in general, have ALWAYS seen, ALL AA, as n*****s or black people. It's our mark of Cain to be black in a white society, we cannot hide from the hate, you can. I do not know which white is racist because the hate is spread among so many white people. So escape and denial is possible.

No escape for a person of color when it comes to being hated because, black skin cannot be hidden. That is the reality and truth of being generally an AA or n****r in this hugely racist land.

When it came time for the racists to have their hang the n****r picnic, could the AA hide? No. Overgeneralization. No.

When white people get called out as the OP did. The responses of being insulted, angry, pissed off become ludicrous in the extreme. It's not an over-generalization to say the white race created this racism problem and the huge trust issue/problem we all, as americans, have to deal with. Trump has created mistrust and racial division on a level that is unprecedented in modern times. Overgeneralization is not a problem or something to be wary of, by an AA, when dealing with white society.

[keepFocused06]

47. Get tired of the generalizations

I agree 100% that a lot of the trolls appeal has to do with a substantial portion or white Americans having serious issues with racial anxiety and resentment. I can't count the number of times that I've heard people say things that are clearly racist in support of trump. That said, I really wish people would stop generalizing. It's not right. I'm black and I don't like being generalized at all. We don't want to hear this but in Wisconsin barely half of the black folks eligible to vote actually did. The troll won Wisconsin. If somebody said this is the America black people in Wisconsin want because half of them didn't care enough to stop trump we would be legitimately outraged. I was at a rally where The President(Barack Obama) spoke and he told the predominantly black crowd to stay focused otherwise we would lose. Well that is exactly what happened. trump got about the same amount of the white vote that Romney did. This is not meant to absolve people of their culpability but the time for bs is over because the stakes are too high. White people are not solely to blame for the disaster we have now. Minorities share a large part of the blame as well because we saw who trump was and a lot of us just didn't give enough of a damn to vote.

[Raine]

161. +1 nt

[Initech]

49. This is also the America Fox News viewers wanted.

I'm not saying all Fox News viewers are racists, but all racists watch Fox News.

[Horse with no Name]

51. I've never been so ashamed of people that I know and truly and care about

I literally can't even enjoy being on facebook because I just can't stand seeing who these people really are.

[colsohlibgal]

54. Not All Of Us

Cannot blame us all.

[sheshe2]

61. Please point out where he, Mr Young, said all and blamed all?!

Thanks, I'll wait.

[Garrett78]

134. You'll be waiting forever.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210853515

[betsuni]

137. That is excellent.

[sheshe2]

151. Hey!!!!

Thanks~

[betsuni]

152. I just saw Mitch McConnell on TV and thought, Oh look, a white marine turtle.

Where's the plastic rubbish when you need it.

[sheshe2]

153. Fitting ;)

[Garrett78]

154. Something about "white people"...

...causes some brains to short-circuit: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210853515#post3

[sheshe2]

139. Love you!

[KT2000]

58. "SOME" I do not like

being lumped in with racist assholes. Also, it is not truth.

[sheshe2]

62. Where did he say all?

He didn't, so it does not include you.

[heaven05]

92. These deniers

and screamers have NEVER really faced the fact that racism in amerika continues only because a majority of white people DO NOT want to lose their privilege and entitlement based solely on their skin color. I was talking with a trumper this evening, he did not hear a word I said. Just keep spouting fox news talking points. Disgusting. Just know a majority here, black, white other know of the truth of the OP. Period. White racism continues because of the distraction and diversion necessary for it to continue for it to remain alive and well in Amerika. Thank you for the truth.

[sheshe2]

98. I thank you, heaven.

Plus that trumper you were talking to should ween themselves of Fox. Yea...my Aunt and Uncle who actually were pretty cool watched 24/7. They have both passed, yet sad to say would probably be trumpers.

[KT2000]

121. I am not a denier

of the fact that there is a vast number of people who are racist for the purpose of holding on to their privilege. I have indeed faced that fact many, many years ago.

To suggest that all white people are racist as this author uses as their tool to make a point: "But while those generalizations might not be completely accurate, they’re necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president and what he and his administration are aiming to do (and currently doing)." is resorting to hyperbole and distortion and it diminishes the piece.

The author eventually makes the distinction using "most" but that makes the essay contradictory if it was not sarcasm.

[heaven05]

125. really?

ok...here's some sarcasm... have a good one. I deal with white people and their illusions of superiority every day in these times. It's a pathetic last gasp created by trump to try to hold on to their delusions of supremacy. The only way white supremacy survives is if trump and his minions and surrogates destroy the world and thusly themselves. have a good one. Now if there are survivors white racism will continue. no doubt about it

[KT2000]

135. not getting it

This was a poorly written essay. I get that he was trying to make the point that trump is supported by those who want to hold on to white privilege. I do not disagree so I don't understand your objection to my comments.

His essay contained contradictory comments with regard to his desire to paint with the broad brush and then backtrack with the word most in quotes. The RW makes a career out of ginning up hate and I felt that this essay was bordering on the same thing by using those devices carelessly. Tell me the title was not meant to provoke.

[heaven05]

146. ok

All AA have ALWAYS been painted with a broad brush as black and even more so these days along with many other cultures of POC. Provoked? I've been provoked all my life by one word. That title means just what it says. The white paradise has been reached for many, many in the white race. If white people wanted racism to end, they have the privilege, entitlement, systems, and institutions to end it. Now they have the society they wanted whether as an active trumper(racist) or just standing by. Provoked???? Really.

[Garrett78]

126. Mr. Young did not say *all* white people. Ever. Nowhere in that article.

Do you deny the "vastness and depth of white support" for Trump?

[KT2000]

140. the title implies

and this is his explanation for the broad brush: "But while those generalizations might not be completely accurate, they’re necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president and what he and his administration are aiming to do (and currently doing)." Then later he backtracks to say "most."

[Garrett78]

143. No, the title doesn't imply.

Any more than this one does: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210853515

Again, do you deny the "vastness and depth of white support" for Trump or the "vastness and depth" of racism?

I suggest you scroll down to the "White Denial" section in the following article: http://www.mediaed.org/transcripts/Tim-Wise-On-White-Privilege-Transcript.pdf

[sheshe2]

138. I have no clue your need to make this about all white people

When it is not and HE never said that!

To suggest that all white people are racist as this author uses as their tool to make a point: "But while those generalizations might not be completely accurate, they’re necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president and what he and his administration are aiming to do (and currently doing)." is resorting to hyperbole and distortion and it diminishes the piece.

To suggest that all white people are racist as this author uses as their tool to make a point:

Never said or suggested it. Stop making things up.


I sincerely hope that you show the same passion to all the brown children striped from their parents and locked in camps. The toddlers that are forced to go into immigration hearings alone, the children that our government seems hell bent on not returning since they have no clue where they are and don't give a damn anyway...as you do about an article about white trump racists that you mistakenly say means all white people. It does not. I know this for a fact. You know why? I am white and it does not mean me.

[KT2000]

145. read the title

and then read what I quoted. He is explaining why he wants to use the broad brush. The author is the one who writes about "white people" in the first part and then later when he makes the distinction of most. He actually discusses it quite a bit in the essay.

Where the fuck did you get the idea I do not have compassion - this is about a poorly written essay that seeks to provoke. I agree that trump is all about white supremacy and there are millions of people who agree with him. I have cut those people out of my life - years ago - including family.
You have no idea what I have already done concerning the kids kidnapped at our borders. So take your presumption of who I am somewhere else.

[melman]

147. "I know this for a fact. You know why? I am white and it does not mean me."

How do you know that for a fact it doesn't mean you? You don't.

You just very conveniently decide that is doesn't, when the author clearly doesn't say anything about who is and isn't included.


It's really awfully presumptuous to just exempt yourself like that...don't you think?

[sheshe2]

148. Hey mel!

Good to see you.

How do you know that for a fact it doesn't mean you? You don't.

To answer your question. Sure I do.

You just very conveniently decide that is doesn't, when the author clearly doesn't say anything about who is and isn't included.

Well, mel, I know for a fact that I am not a trump supporter. You with me here? You caught up now? Okay this is important. He. Is. Talking. About. trump. Supporters. No convenience needed. Clear as glass.

It's really awfully presumptuous to just exempt yourself like that...don't you think?

Now you are just being silly. It is "presumptous" to know my own mind.K~

[melman]

168. I think you need to read the piece again

Because the author doesn't give you the dispensation you imagine. That's just your own self-flattering take on it.

For whatever reason you just felt entitled to take it for yourself. Why that is I don't know but it's really quite revealing.

[whathehell]

225. Because without a qualifier like "some", THAT is what it means

One can only imagine the uproar here if someone began a thread describing "black people" in a negative way WITHOUT such a qualifier.

[KT2000]

120. author was prepping

his/her remarks with this statement: "But while those generalizations might not be completely accurate, they’re necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president and what he and his administration are aiming to do (and currently doing)."

Hyperbole is the territory for the RW - not us. We have enough facts that we do not have to resort to that.

[Quayblue]

72. I see people haven't read the article...as usual.

[sheshe2]

74. Yep.

Surprise, Quayblue.

[The River]

73. This Post

is offensive. You should delete it.

[sheshe2]

90. How so?

Let me guess, you never read the article, just the title.

Does this offend you?

Admittedly, I do possess an incremental sympathy for the white people who perhaps have been mischaracterized as shitty and self-destructive trash. #NotAllWhitePeopleAreGarbagePeople. But while those generalizations might not be completely accurate, they’re necessary when attempting to articulate and grapple with the vastness and depth of white support for our president and what he and his administration are aiming to do (and currently doing).

You find it offensive, the vastness and depth of white support for trump and his administration and what they are aiming to do and have done offensive? Well, so do I. I am appalled at the depth of support for a racist white supremacist and his ilk that have infested our WH. So, here we agree, correct? So, please explain why I should delete my OP? Hmmm. Neither you or I voted for him so therefore it is not about either of us, now is it?

Does this offend you as well?

Trump’s presidency and policies have been equal parts petty and punitive. Its primary objective is to retain whiteness’s status for generations to come—the status of straight, white, Christian men, particularly—and in doing so, it also aims to punish anyone who stands or even just exists in opposition to it. They want to punish blacks for not being white. Muslims for not being Christian. Women for not being virgins. Poor people for not being wealthy. Immigrants for not being what they consider to be true Americans.

I too find the need to keep America white...

Its primary objective is to retain whiteness’s status for generations to come—the status of straight, white, Christian men, particularly—and in doing so, it also aims to punish anyone who stands or even just exists in opposition to it.

offensive as well. Okay, seems we agree on the offensiveness of the problem. Yet here you are asking me to delete my OP because it offends you. Maybe I was incorrect at the part that offended you. So I ask you to explain the demand that I delete.

[rainin]

99. Alert it.

[Gothmog]

243. Racist NYC bus rider taunts Muslim woman in a headscarf: 'ICE is here for you'

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

371. WATCH: Racists caught on video pelting black bicyclist with bottles along Chattanooga road

Link to tweet

[Timewas]

78. NOT

This white person.....and not the majority..

[ALBliberal]

80. And yet this white person is disgusted nt

[RhodeIslandOne]

81. By the way, the "whipipo" guy? Didn't vote for Hillary.

Hero to many here! Oh, he's so clever! I wonder if the author likes him?

Where's that fucking asshole's scorching?

There are a lot of people who need their fucking comeuppance!!!!

[sheshe2]

109. Aside from the wypipo author.

Who do you think is being scorched here?

[ucrdem]

83. Yep. We all saw it in the campaign

and now we see it metastasizing every day into something irreversible and horrible like a nuclear war. And yet how many posts and threads still get locked or disappeared for calling it out?

[sheshe2]

105. And some not...for the lack of trying. ;)

Over and over and over.

[mountain grammy]

100. With shame and sadness I agree..

I don't believe a person who isn't racist can vote for a racist. It's that simple. The majority of whites voted trump. I have to believe they are racist. In general, white people are racist. I always knew many white people are racist, but until the 2016 election, I didn't think it was the majority.. I just didn't think.

When I was a kid living in Jim Crow North Carolina, I hoped when I grew up that all the races would mix, and we'd all be the same color. In my child mind, that was the only solution. I never could understand the hate and never will.

[sheshe2]

102. Thank you for understanding the OP.

I have been called a lot of names here on this thread, mountain grammy. Yet that is on them.

I like this part.

When I was a kid living in Jim Crow North Carolina, I hoped when I grew up that all the races would mix, and we'd all be the same color. In my child mind, that was the only solution. I never could understand the hate and never will.

I grew up in the north, yet had the same hopes. I wrote a poem about people of different colors in high school. Yup. I will never understand the hate either.

Thanks.

[kentuck]

103. I don't agree.

[Gothmog]

244. WATCH: Off-duty cop and apartment manager force 'only black dude in pool' to leave -- even though he

Link to tweet

[JI7]

106. the Fact is a Majority of White People in this Country think Brown Kids Deserve to be Taken from

Parents.

majority of white people voted for trump and have stuck by him through it all.

[sheshe2]

107. You get it.

I have been told the OP is offensive and I should take it down. I have been called some not nice names.

Whatever.

[wonkwest]

110. So you just made that up out of thin air

Here are some polling numbers, broken down by race.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/18/17475740/family-separation-poll-polling-border-trump-children-immigrant-families-parents

But to summarize the polling:

38% of white men support separation. 55% oppose

25% of white women support separation. 65% oppose.

31% of all white people support separation. 60% oppose.

It's not even within a margin of error to make your statement remotely valid.

Do you see the problem with these discussions? You make up a "Fact" based on your prejudices and feelings and proceeded accordingly.

But it's not true.

Do you admit what you just said is untrue?

[JI7]

111. they can claim whatever they want. we see the facts with their support for Trump

trump himself claims he doesn't want separation.

[wonkwest]

112. You're entitled to a feeling. You're not entitled to facts.

You made an assertion. A scientific poll was conducted. And, again, it's not even ballpark close.

Will you admit your assertion may have been misguided?

[JI7]

113. actual votes count more . people can claim whatever they want in polls, Trump himself says

he does not support separation of kids from parents.

just because trump and his supporters claim they don't support it doesn't mean it's true.

[wonkwest]

114. Did we hold a vote on this specific topic?

I voted for Clinton. Had she been properly inaugurated, there is a solid chance she'd have done something I really disliked at some point. Trump voters are no doubt similar. Sure, they voted for him, but that doesn't mean every Trump voter agrees with everything the idiot does.

You look at those poll numbers, and there are no doubt tons of Trump voters who don't agree with the policy.

But, you're obfuscating. You said a majority of white people are fine with it. I just showed you they are not. Quite the opposite.

If you're going to smear a race of people, maybe get those ducks in a row first.

It took me, literally, ten seconds to check your work, because based on my experience and reading, I knew what you said was nonsense out of the gate.

[JI7]

118. he has high approvals from his voters . this isn't some disagreement over a tax rate

his supporters claim they are not racist also .

the fact is a majority of white people ARE ok with it and we see it with their support and defense of him. and not just white people but the non whites that support him are just as bad and shitty but you don't see people making excuses for them.

[wonkwest]

119. So doubling down on wrongness is going to be your approach here

If a President Hillary Clinton did something I really disliked, but I generally approved of how her administration was managing things, I'd click approve.

Very few people hit approve or disapprove over one single issue. People are weirdly complicated like that.

Not sure where you were going with that last bit.

"the non whites that support him are just as bad and shitty but you don't see people making excuses for them." - I honestly don't know what you mean here. If you want to clarify, I'd actually appreciate it. I just don't know what you're trying to say.

I know I'm being a bit snarky at this point. But you cannot just assert something that isn't true. You've made the assertion twice now. The polling say otherwise. Not a bit otherwise. A LOT otherwise. It's not even close. That behavior is so divisive. "Well, of course white people are shit." It's like, well, thanks for the vote of confidence.

But on child separation, nearly 2/3 of white people have a conscience here. Less than a third are all about it.

That should count. It seems like it doesn't count to you.

[JI7]

122. Trump says he opposes separation of kids from parents also . trump supporters will claim he isn't

racist.

there is nothing going on for the Trump administration other than bigotry. that's the main thing about his administration and why they support him. he ran on an openly bigoted platform.

i know how polling works. and people will not always tell the truth especially if it exposes their bigotry. trump supporters will claim they are not bigots when they are. just like that anti gay baker claims he is not a bigot and doesn't discriminate when that is exactly what he does.

i look at how people actually vote . just like majority of white people voted for the child molestor roy moore . do you think they will claim they are ok with child molestation if they are asked.

[wonkwest]

131. I do know what you're saying

Say one thing, mean another. Embarrassment over an opinion because culture tells them they should be ashamed of that opinion. The Silent Majority thing.

But you're attempting to look into hearts, to make windows into men's souls.

I know some Trump voters. I don't want to make them representative. I won't say how they think is how all Trump voters think. But they do not like what is happening there. I have yet to hear from a Trump voter I know go, "Yeah, they should do that."

Children being separated from parents is a primal thing, there are instincts involved.

But you can't lay that on "white people." Trump's going to do what Trump's going to do. And even a cursory reading of the Internet or media lends credence to the fact that vast majorities of Americans are against this shit. White people, too.

White privilege and institutional racism are responsible for a myriad of injustices in this country.

But on this? White people can be your allies. If you let them.

[JI7]

132. no, i'm looking at what they have actually done and continue to do which is support Trump and other

Republicans like Roy Moore .

the fact they voted for Trump over the other republicans running said a lot. those other republicans actually had very long time conservative records also. but they went with the guy who ran on bigotry and was known for being a birther .

there are many white people who are alllies and they are protesting trump and calling out the MAGA Trash. they aren't making excuses for Trump voters.

the op is a white person also and she is regulary attacked for calling out white bigots.

[wonkwest]

136. You're scattered in your rationales

Roy Moore is an Alabama thing. You can't extrapolate from that. Alabama is not all of America. Parts of it, to be certain. But if you're using that as a justification for your white people statement, no. I'm a non-Southern white. I have no idea what those people were thinking. Most non-Southern whites, I suspect, watched that and went "Whaaaaaaaa . . ."

Trump didn't win the primary with any kind of majority. It's that Republicans had too many candidates running. The voting pool was so diluted that an asshole could emerge. And so he did. I actually worry a bit we'll do the same in 2020. I hope we only have, say, four real serious contenders and the rest bow out. The Republican primary of 2016 is an object lesson in why you don't let nine assholes up on a stage at a time. The biggest asshole will win. Trump was the biggest asshole.

The OP posts inflammatory anti-white content often, and I think it's on purpose. You probably feel differently. That's ok. But I'm looking for productive discussion that moves us forward as a party and as liberals. I think the OP likes the reactions and knows exactly what she's posting and doing and the reactions that follow. I'm not very impressed. It feels childish to me. "How can I make people mad? Oh, I know! Tee hee hee!"

Because that's what we need right now.

[sheshe2]

155. Interesting.

You have been here a few months and seem to assume a lot about me. You seem very familiar with my posts. How is that? Why is that? You are a newbie.

The OP posts inflammatory anti-white content often, and I think it's on purpose. You probably feel differently. That's ok. But I'm looking for productive discussion that moves us forward as a party and as liberals. I think the OP likes the reactions and knows exactly what she's posting and doing and the reactions that follow. I'm not very impressed. It feels childish to me. "How can I make people mad? Oh, I know! Tee hee hee!"

Sounds like you are following me for some reason and that makes me uncomfortable. Correct me if I am wrong.

PS: My posts are NOT anti white they are PRO black. If you find that inflammatory that is your problem to solve, not mine. Carry on.

[wonkwest]

166. I read a lot

And you’re not subtle.

I think your agenda is not so good.

[betsuni]

169. "I read a lot. And you're not subtle. I think your agenda is not so good."

Oh come on, man. You're not even trying. That's just embarrassing.

[sheshe2]

175. My agenda?

[betsuni]

176. Your agenda is not so good!

[sheshe2]

204. oh my!

[JustAnotherGen]

189. Did you want me to make copies

To hand out at the next meeting?

[sheshe2]

205. Please do, JAG.

At least then I will know my agenda.

[JustAnotherGen]

207. I'm going to use

white knock out on black paper. That way everything is all equal!

[sheshe2]

209. ;)

Awesome!

[mcar]

196. Tell us more!

What is "not good" about sheshe2's "agenda?"

[brer cat]

174. "But you're attempting to look into hearts, to make windows into men's souls."

I think the OP likes the reactions and knows exactly what she's posting and doing and the reactions that follow.

[George II]

194. "But you're attempting to look into hearts, to make windows into men's souls."

Isn't that what you're doing with your interpretation of the OP?

[haele]

186. The majority of whites will be okay with it because they know their children aren't affected.

Deep down in the lizard brain, the majority of white people know that while they can tut-tut and speechify about it all they feel they need to, they have the social privilege to go about their own daily business and wait to address Drumpf and his policies at the time and manner of their own choosing because most of his policies are attacking "those other people".
There is no immediate imperative for most white people to act. They're safe - for now.

And I know because I am an old white lady with cute white grandchildren and a slacker white son-in-law whose family are typical Orange County Real Estate Republicans, so he never had to do a god-damn thing in his life to be able to live comfortably until now.
Of course, his family also been conned into praying Jesus will come back before their social superiority catches up with them and they lose everything when the house of cards they've cheated their way to live in comes crashing down around them.

I know why Wypipo like that do the things they do, and I've said in public right in front of them - "Well, at least my granddaughters are cute and white - they'll be in the last group before the poorer land-owning white businessmen to lose their citizenship in this country". And 9 out of 10 white people, though they may act shocked, agree with this.

I do what I can. And while that's plenty in a blue state like California, it's never really enough. I never feel equal, as if I were coming from a level playing field - I know I started out on First Base simply due to the color of my skin - the luck of the Vagina.

And that's the sorry American reality that is the direct connection to the OP's article.

Haele

[northremembers]

128. Plenty of hate to go around

I'm not disagreeing with anything here. I just want to point out that what the Russians (and Chinese, and North Koreans, and any of our other enemies) want is for us to hate each other. We all hate Trump just as much as conservative radicals hate us. For our enemies that's mission accomplished.

Every group listed in the original post is truly hated by Trump voters and they have made serious effort to subvert as many people as possible. We absolutely need to stand up for them. We also need to remember that white people are also our people. We also stand up for them and that needs to be a clear message. Republicans deliberately target minority groups because they know we will stand up for them and then Republicans say to white voters we are against whites.

I'm not saying we shouldn't stand up for people. We should, but we have to be more than obstructionists. We need to lead. When we buy into the hatred we lose sight of the real work we want to do. We fail to put forward a better vision all people, including whites, can be a part of. Every time we call a conservative stupid or deplorable we strengthen their commitment against us.

Hatred is a conservative value. Cooperation is the liberal equivalent. Our vision of shared success needs to be louder than their message of hate. Every time we give in to conservatism's hatred we keep America divided. We are not the good guys because Trump is evil. We are the good guys because we believe our country is most successful when we succeed together. We need to take the energy we are putting into hating Trump and put that energy into passing universal health care, affordable housing, and equal opportunity. Isn't that what we really believe in?

[still_one]

129. "The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"

In 2016 there was no ambiguity who trump was. He was a racist, sexist, and bigot, and yet there were enough people in spite of that fact who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee.

I will repeat the Edmund Burke Quote:

"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"

[Garrett78]

142. So many posts in this thread are displaying a disturbing level of ignorance.

Someone even called Mr. Young's article "racist," completely misrepresenting what constitutes racism. Robin DiAngelo put it well when she said racism is "an act or a dynamic that is backed by the weight of history, legal authority and institutional control." In other words, there's no such thing as "reverse racism."

As I've posted throughout this thread, nowhere did Mr. Young say *all* white people (no more than *all* marine turtles are dying). Numerous surveys have made clear, however, that a massive proportion of white Americans hold what amount to racist views, including the denial that racism is still a major problem (in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary).

I suggest people scroll down to the "White Denial" section in the following article: http://www.mediaed.org/transcripts/Tim-Wise-On-White-Privilege-Transcript.pdf

[VOX]

157. I'm a reluctant WASP (and not much of a "P," at that), and I agree with you 100%.

I was lucky to be born and raised in Los Angeles, where I had a very healthy exposure to numerous ethnicities and cultures while attending school, playing sports, or just hanging out with neighborhood kids: white, Hispanic, black, Jewish, Catholic. It was just one more aspect of getting a solid liberal-arts education.

I realize that today, not all white kids are lucky enough to have that kind of upbringing in a an environment uncontaminated by fear and mistrust. But it must be made clear to everyone that the **need** for diversity (and a crucial understanding of why everyone stands to gain from this) is to help insure the survival of this country.

Times change. Demographics shift. People migrate. It's the way of our shared history. Racism (apart from being one of the most deadly and destructive viewpoints a human being can adopt) is a horrible, ruinous waste of time, and utterly foolish from a practical standpoint.

[mcar]

197. It is disturbing

Lots of defensiveness.

[Bok_Tukalo]

201. The stipulative definition of racism you expouse is not universally accepted

I know it has been marinating for about 50 years but it is not quite there, yet.

Good luck!

[Afromania]

156. Read through the thread and the only disqualifier that needs to be added is that the "majority"

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of white people wanted this. I mean the majority of white people did take themselves out there and vote for this guy. Enough of the people that went out there and voted him before have made it clear that they are willing to do it again. Except this time they are armed with not only his words and prior actions but the things he's doing in real time right in front of their face. To continue along this path of insanity the only rational you can reasonably apply here is these people know exactly what they have been voting for all along.

Every sane Indy and Dem have realized exactly what the Republicans have been doing for the last 50+ years. It's not like we haven't told the that what was going on. What's happening now has always been the end of the line and honestly there is no way the republican voter didn't understand it either. They just thought that the end of the line was going to be one reserved solely for for those that they hate.

Almost the entire republican voting block is white people and those people comprise the majority of voting white people; which means that a majority of white people wanted this to happen. Of course we won't forget the smattering of minorities who for some reason feel like they won't end up with their neck slit along with the rest of us. Nor do they have no problem with being collaborators in the subjugation of the ethnic group they are members of. Whether they believe it or not we are living in the republican end game. This is the final inevitability of the callous policies that the majority of whites and their collaborators have been voting for all along and we are far past the point where anybody that supports Republicans can claim ignorance of intention.

It offends me when folks on this board show up and claim ignorance on the behalf of these people and ask for us to grant them unconditional forgiveness without circumspection on the part of those that wish to do us harm. It offends me to here two years later that they were duped and lied to by trump while continuing to support his agenda. It offends me to hear over and over that this isn't what being a Republican is about when this is exactly what being a Republican has been about for the last 50+ years.

I get these people are your friends and family, but they are supporting a system that wants to subjugate me and other brown folks along with stripping rights from any minority group(s) in this country that they don't care for. Their votes are steeped in bigotry, hate and a willful ignorance of logic that defies reason. Modern repiblicanism is nothing more than a scheme to steal from the country by leveraging republicans voters desire to limit the rights, freedoms and privileges of every group they hate. Thanks to trump it's been laid bare for all to see and is way beyond them being able to refute it.

The fact of the matter is that the great majority of white people DID do this. because the great majority of them have spent a half century supporting these views. Right now they continue to support republican views while it's vile ugliness stares at them in the noonday sun. Whatever their reasoning has been for supporting the republicans historically has been completely invalidated. Their modus operandi has always been demonization and scapegoating of the minority while they steal from us all. Now that this point can't be argued it's also crystal clear(for those paying any attention) that the limiting and removal of rights for brown skinned people and other minority groups in this country is the real reason behind how white republicans vote. It doesn't matters far more to these people that they make "the other" lesser than it is to raise the country up as a whole.

This hole we are in right now and everything trump is doing is the fault of THOSE white people. It is also the fault of white people that historically have, and continue to, ignore and/or explain away the motivations of the why hateful white people continue to engage in their racist, mysoginistic, homophobic and generally hateful ass bullshit. The codification of these people allowed their racism and hate to quietly flourish just under the surface or normal society and it needs to stop. Their vote wasn't a mistake, their support for trump isn't a mistake. They need to be taken to task for what they are doing and let it should be let known that their views are toxic garbage. Brown people don't live in your homes and don't roll in all of your communities. We can fight back in the public sphere but sane white people have got to fight back against it within the private sphere; in the homes, club houses and intimate settings that we aren't privy to.

I didn't think it before the election but I now understand that if there are two white people on the street I know that one of them actively hates me and there is a solid chance that the other is willing to pretend that the first person isn't problem enough to vigorously and continuously confront them about their malignant racism and hate. It's spreading and if it isn't checked will eventually get us all killed, including those very same white people. Of course that may be what their end game is as they choose to rule in hell rather than serve in heaven.

[Quayblue]

158. Sir/Ma'am

Thank you for your eloquence and willingness to write this.

Your last paragraph is how I move through life on the daily.

I work in a customer-facing field and once I'm done with the business side, they end up ranting to me about how frustrated and angry they are with their brethren. And in my mind, I'm thinking, "Well, why are you telling me? Why haven't you checked the shit out of them?"

I already know. Now you know. And now you need to say something.

[KitSileya]

264. Bravo! This is such an excellent post it should be its own OP

And as was pointed out, the last paragraph is the knock out.

When I read this thread, I know that each and every one here who opposes the OP because of semantics (which Garrett has shown conclusively is a specious, Republican-like, deceptive argument) is telling us loud and clear that they are not to trusted by Black people. They are showing us that they are more concerned with their own hurt fee-fees than with the relentless racism in America. They demonstrate that they are not allies to be trusted, but that they at any time can turn and become the very Trumpistas we deplore, because they are more interested in soothing their own feelings of inadequacy when it comes to racism than in combating it in other white people.

[get the red out]

159. I am ashamed to be a white person

I got a DNA test hoping something better might be in there but it came out as basically the standard Appalachian blend. I am serious when I say I was disappointed. I never knew that the majority of white people in this country were literally evil until Trump, I have been sheltered and blind.

[Crunchy Frog]

220. I'm not.

[GeorgeGist]

164. I think it should read ...

WHITE TRASH.

[ck4829]

167. K&R

[mcar]

170. K&R!

[whathehell]

178. Racial broadbrushing again?

[betsuni]

183. ...

[whathehell]

187. Lol..You might want to save that

for all the "white privilege" beefs.

[betsuni]

188. Where's the beef?

[whathehell]

190. Lol...They don't appear EVERY day

Just a few times a week, on average.

[Gothmog]

245. CAUGHT ON VIDEO: White women rant about 'fat Mexican b*tches' after cops refuse to immediately arres

Link to tweet

[whathehell]

259. Is that your answer?

As Will Smith just said "There's not more racism, it's just being filmed".

[Gothmog]

284. There is a great deal of racism that is being displayed since trump's election

Trump supporters are embolden to display their racism. For examplle

Link to tweet

[whathehell]

288. There has been an uptick, I agree

Whether it.constitutes "a great deal" more or whether, as Will Smith said, it's not more, jus filmed more, I don't know and I don't know that anyone here does.

[Gothmog]

300. WATCH: Road-raging white woman almost crashed before calling victims N-word -- and then she got sacke

Link to tweet

[whathehell]

304. I did watch

She's horrible -- I'm glad she lost her job.

[betsuni]

182. ...

[gtar100]

184. Like traffic, it's a joint venture, not a competition.

Too bad our economic, political, social, and judicial practices don't recognize that. Our education emphasizes capitalism as competitive but glosses over the fact that we are all better off when we are all doing well, not just a few and especially not just the most cruel and heartless.

[lagomorph777]

192. Not this white person.

Please don't lump me with the Despicables.

[mcar]

198. Where does it say you?

[lagomorph777]

206. It says "white people" as if my color determines my beliefs.

That way of thinking is inaccurate whichever color/class/ethnic group/gender etc is inserted.

[whathehell]

203. Race-based broad brushing is wrong, factually and morally

Stop doing to Some what you don't want done to Others.

[niyad]

210. this old white woman does NOT want the travesty we are seeing now.

[Orsino]

212. No, it isn't.

White Trump supporters just haven't figured out yet that they are also getting ripped off by the billionaires who duped them. Again.

It's an America crafted very carefully to enrich the few at the expense of the many. The few got just enough of the many fooled or bribed with a little white privilege and oppression of women.

[ck4829]

218. They've been conditioned to not care about getting ripped off

We could see the US reduced to the stone age except for the 1% and white Trump supporters would be OK with it as long as that meant they get to "own the libs".

[Orsino]

285. Surely there must be a breaking point.

I mean, we know they're getting peeled off slowly--but the bulk of them seem almost impervious to reality. What would it take, I wonder?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

215. When Red Hats talk about America being "better" now that Trump is POTUS

THIS is what they are are talking about.

[coeur_de_lion]

217. Hang on not all white people

Just the white supremacists.

Please God don’t lump all of us in with THAT.

[McCamy Taylor]

219. Shitty is as shitty does. If white folks don't want to be called shit don't act like shit.

I am not going to get all worked up over any reverse discrimination "Oh boo hoo! I am poor little white person being treated bad!" I am almost albino pale pink and I can tell you that I have never been treated badly by anyone due to the color of my skin anywhere in this country any time. Now, the blonde hair gets me treated as stupid sometimes but that is a whole other matter. And I can always wear a wig if I want to.

[whathehell]

277. Check your stereotypes -- Whites arre no more "shitty" racists than blacks

are "shitty" criminals and welfare queens -- Sorry, but you can't have it both ways.

[Iggo]

222. Everyone who said "not all white people" go back two spaces and lose a turn.

[LexVegas]

226. Yup. nt

[Loki Liesmith]

227. Such an obvious modus operandi

[walkingman]

234. As a rural Texan, I can confirm that this is the world I live in. Sad but true.

I don't see it changing anytime soon. It's been like this all of my life - just not as "in your face".

[Gothmog]

246. I have seen much the same thing

Texas will turn blue but it will be due to more people voting. Texas would be blue if Hispanic voters voted in the same numbers and percentages as in California. I am seeing some great movement here.

[Gothmog]

248. 'They are now more emboldened': Hate crimes rise in California for third straight year

Hate groups are very busy under trump https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/11/1779693/--They-are-now-more-emboldened-Hate-crimes-rise-in-California-for-third-year-straight

Reports of hate crimes in California surged by over 17 percent in 2017, “the third straight year of double-digit increases,” according to the Sacramento Bee. Among the increases, data from the state’s attorney general’s office shows, have been crimes involving “anti-Latino bias,” which surged 52 percent.

“More than half of the hate crimes reported in California last year involved racial bias,” the Los Angeles Times reports, “and about 27% involved animus toward black people, the report shows. Hate crimes targeting victims based on race, sexual orientation and religion all increased sharply.” Experts are pretty sure where this is coming from, pointing to factors like “President Trump’s vitriolic rhetoric toward minorities and the resurgence of hate groups in the state.”

“I think people, particularly with bigots, they are now more emboldened and we are seeing this across a spectrum of data points,” said Brian Levin of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino. “If you look at bigoted social media posts, if you look at the number of white nationalist rallies across the nation and in California,” like Berkeley, the site of at least one recent white supremacist rally.

As Levin referenced, racists have been emboldened, with several viral examples from the state. Think “BBQ Becky,” the white woman in Oakland who called the police on black people trying to enjoy a meal, or Larry Lappin in Petaluma, the white man who harassed a Latino family enjoying Spanish-language music on the Fourth of July. “This is my country!” Lappin screamed at this family of U.S. citizens, who have family members who have served.

“Anti-Muslim, anti-Islamic and anti-Jewish hate crimes rose by 21 percent last year, to 207, up from 171 reported in 2016.” According to the Council on American-Islamic Relations California last year, hate incidents to the group “went up almost 50 percent between 2015 and 2016.”

[sheshe2]

249. That they are Goth.

Just look at his rallies.

[Gothmog]

250. I just have to look at the republicans in my county

They feel free to be even more racist than normal. There were six non-whites on the GOP primary ballot in my county and they were all defeated by white candidates. Three of these defeated non-white candidates were office holders who had been appointed by the governor.

[Gothmog]

390. Ohio city comes together to scrub away racist 'Hail Trump' graffiti on victims' home

There is hope

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

252. 'Racists have been let loose on the streets:' Ana Navarro warns people of color how to be safe in Tr

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

253. This from a Republican?

“I think the racists feel legitimized, feel empowered, feel that they can do it. I think there’s this environment of us against them. There is rampant division, and we’re seeing it worse and worse every day.”

She warned people to never leave their house without a smartphone because it is their best weapon.

“I will tell everybody, you know, whites, blacks, hispanics, particularly communities of color, folks, it used to be don’t leave home without the American Express, [now it’s] don’t leave home without a smartphone that can video. It makes all the difference. The images is what’s holding people accountable.”

Warning. Danger. This from a Republican.

Breaks my heart, yet here we are.

[Gothmog]

254. Yep

Ann Navarro is a good person and makes some good points

Not all members of the GOP have joined the cult of trump

[rainin]

276. I'm reminded of "Mexicans are rapists. Some of them are good people."

Whites are racists. Some of them...
I guess if you are black, it's actually NOT racist to judge people by the color of their skin. That's NOT racist because BOOHOO you're white.

[Gothmog]

320. "You're not supposed to be here. This is a good neighborhood."

Link to tweet

[rainin]

323. Divide. Divide. Divide. Make me the enemy because if the color of my skin.

Apparently, I can't hate these white racists because I'm white... therefore according to you, I am one of them. If I can find a black person behaving badly on the Internet, would it be racist for me to say all black people behave badly? Racism 101. But alas, you found a white person behaving badly on the Internet. All white people are alike now, I suppose. And when trump shows an immigrant committing a crime, all immigrants are criminals in your mind. And, when a Muslim commits a crime, all Muslims are now criminals in your mind. Racism 101.

[Gothmog]

388. White guy attempts a 'citizen's arrest' on darker-skinned man he thinks is an 'illegal alien'

Link to tweet

[rainin]

392. He is racist. Does that mean I am racist because I am white? Am I to be judged by the color

of my skin because I am white? Can we not agree that it is racist to say "all white people are racists"?

[Gothmog]

394. White woman who called cops on sleeping black Yale student: I've 'done absolutely nothing wrong'

Link to tweet

[rainin]

396. What is your point? I've clearly stated mine. So far, you appear to be trying to impress me

with your internet skills at finding a racist person. If that's the game here, I'm not playing. Either reply to the point or declare yourself a troll.

[Sancho]

279. A toast to Archie: "some white people are better than others"

It's been true since the beginning of this country, but rationalizing and justifying racism continues without pause. Yes, tRump amplifies the worst in America.

&frags=pl%2Cwn

[pamdb]

282. Hey!

As a old (67) white woman who is not a Christian, and definitely did NOT vote for the Whitney little orange bitch in the WH, I resent being lumped in with the knuckle draggers who did. My husband, who is a democratic socialist, while I’m more just a democratic liberal, and all my friends, all of the same age, feel (about trump) the same way. So just as we shouldn’t lump everyone of whatever race they are, in one one vast pile, that goes for white people as well.

[LexVegas]

289. White people salty as fuck. nt

[Gothmog]

291. Crazy white peoples on drugs! So angry at their own life's failures they need to attack Latin people

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

293. Dear Goddess.

What the hell is wrong with these ugly people.

[Gothmog]

301. This blows my mind

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

299. Racially-charged brawl at water park leaves black man with a broken skull -- but cops make no arrests

Link to tweet

[heaven05]

302. so very, very true, especially

the last paragraph. BAM!!!!!!

[Gothmog]

303. Trump isn't bothering to disguise his racism, declares himself world president of white people

Trump and his base are all racists and now they do not try to hide it https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/13/1780203/-Trump-isn-t-bothering-to-disguise-his-racism-declares-himself-world-president-of-white-people

Most of the attention directed at Donald Trump’s hateful interview with British tabloid The Sun has been directed at how he back-stabbed UK Prime Minister Theresa May even as the two were chatting together in London. But there’s a portion of the interview that’s even more frightening than Trump’s eagerness to disrupt an allied government and weaken alliances going back decades.

Trump: I think what has happened to Europe is a shame. Allowing the immigration to take place in Europe is a shame. I think it changed the fabric of Europe and, unless you act very quickly, it’s never going to be what it was and I don’t mean that in a positive way.

So I think allowing millions and millions of people to come into Europe is very, very sad. I think you are losing your culture. Look around. You go through certain areas that didn’t exist ten or 15 years ago.

What’s not in Trump’s statement about immigration is important: The word “illegal.” Trump isn’t bemoaning the idea of of illegal immigrants swarming across some European border. He’s attacking immigrants, pure and simple. Trump’s words here aren’t just shocking, they’re a direct lift from neo-Nazi white supremacist propaganda that paints migrants as “invaders” and white culture as under attack. The only thing that separates Donald Trump’s policies from an open declaration of white supremacy, is using the word “Europe” rather than “white.” And that is a very, very thin reed.

[Gothmog]

321. White Memphis doctor under fire for repeatedly calling black patient 'Aunt Jemima' to her face

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

327. F**k

An African American woman intends to file a formal complaint with the Tennessee Board of Medical Examiners after her white dermatologist allegedly referred to her as “Aunt Jemina” during an doctor’s appointment, WMC-TV reports.

From your link.

It never stops.

[Jakes Progress]

328. Let's try this, sheshe2.

I know you are angry. I understand your anger. I'm pretty sure that if I were to trade places with you, I would be at least as angry. Coming from a life of privilege, I would go off the charts crazy if I had to be subjected to the treatment that is the daily life of most black people in America.

And you are completely correct that racism is out of hand in America, that it always has been, and that most white people refuse to acknowledge it. It is the original sin of a country build on slavery.

I won't add my "old white man's" story. My personal history, which includes being arrested three time before the age of 20 in civil rights marches, doesn't matter and is beyond the point you are trying to make.

But that story, multiplied by thousands, does bear on the detrimental effect your (however justified) screed against "American White People" has on combatting racism. While many of us old white people take the vilification you hurl with equanimity, there are those with my kind of story who take your hurt personally - as a direct accusation. It makes a divide where there should not be.

Those who are the correct and justified targets of your rage are not bothered at all by your accusations. They relish the title you give them and laugh at your consternation.

Try to understand how such a divisive post only helps perpetuate the very condition you (and I) detest.

As I said. You rage is justified. Your anger is understandable. But expressing it so broadly is not helpful or productive. Lashing out impotently is self-satisfying, but it does not further the cause.

[Garrett78]

329. sheshe2 didn't write the article, and Mr. Young made no reference to *all* white people.

But it is a huge percentage of white Americans, as evidenced by surveys and election results. Though a little dated at this point, I think everyone ought to read the "White Denial" section (starting on page 5) of the following article: http://www.mediaed.org/transcripts/Tim-Wise-On-White-Privilege-Transcript.pdf

[Jakes Progress]

331. So it is your opinion that sheshe52 does not endorse

the article she posted?

When trump says that Mexicans are drug dealers and rapists, you believe that he wasn't smearing all Mexicans just because he said "Mexicans are rapists" instead of "all Mexicans are rapists".

Word games and semantics are not the point of my post. I see division as a boon to the russian desire to create discord in the country. Such broad brush attacks are not helpful. I did not argue the issues in the article, only the language that, while personally satisfying, only generates the kind of ill will and counters the unity needed to confront the evil in our country.

If you don't mean to say "all white people are racist" don't say "white people are racist". Hiding behind the omission of the word "all" is an excuse that racist politicians of the south have used forever.

[sheshe2]

333. I am sheshe2 not sheshe52

I already responded to you, and yes I endorse their message.

[Jakes Progress]

362. Sorry for my sins.

A typo must be the worst thing a person can do.

[Garrett78]

334. No, it's merely my "opinion" that you shouldn't refer to the OP as her screed. Because it isn't.

Young didn't say "white people are racist."

And see post #286.

[Jakes Progress]

363. See her post below.

And playing with words and gaming the argument by parsing the language rather than hearing the message is exactly what I'm talking about.

How many voters do you want to piss off just to vent your anger.

You can't possible be angrier than I am. You can't be more determined to change the things the author complains about than I am. But my frustration and anger are not the issue.

You can take this personally and try to start a pissing contest if you want. Or you can disagree with me that alienating marginal voters is counterproductive. Depends on how much you think the problem is about you personally.

I get your point. I know you get mine also. Let's discuss that instead of playing word games. Leave that to the press secretaries and people who care more about winning an argument than making change.

[Garrett78]

365. 2 simple, straightforward points. No gaming.

1) sheshe2 didn't write the article. Therefore, you shouldn't refer to it as her screed. Simple as that. I've posted numerous articles, and I generally do so because I agree with them, but that doesn't make me the author.

2) Nobody has this reading comprehension issue when headlines start with "marine turtles" or "black farmers" or "drug makers" or "Puerto Ricans" (just a few of the examples that I can point to here on DU). Everyone understands in those instances that there's an implied qualifier. But, when the headline starts with "white people," all of a sudden brains shut off. Those brains that understood perfectly well that there was an implied qualifier in those other instances are suddenly demanding the use of a qualifier (even when the article's author goes on to make it perfectly clear that he or she is not referring to *all* white people). So, no, this isn't about parsing or gaming...it's about people being very selective in taking offense (which, ironically, only goes to reinforce the problem that is white denial).

[Jakes Progress]

383. 2 points that have nothing to do with my point.

But I have come to think you know that. That playing games with syntax and throwing up straw men is what you do when you don't want to address the issue.

Your denial is moot. Because, yes, your posts are about parsing and gaming. Otherwise you would have addressed the issues I brought up. But if you did that, you would have to say that losing some votes for progressive candidates is worth it as long as you get to feel good about yourself. That's fine. You can do that here. Just please don't do any canvassing this Fall.

[Garrett78]

384. They were the 2 points I was making, and you haven't addressed either one.

The first is really quite simple. You shouldn't misattribute an article. Period.

The second is also quite obvious. I've pointed to numerous threads in which nobody - NOBODY - takes issue with the lack of a qualifier and just accepts that there is an implied qualifier. The only time people have an issue is when the subject is "white people." Black farmers, no. Puerto Ricans, no. Drugmakers, no. Marine turtles, no. But when the subject is "white people," all of a sudden it is unacceptable that there's no qualifier. All of a sudden acceptance of an implied qualifier vanishes. Parsing my ass. I've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that this has nothing to do with parsing. It has to do with selective outrage. Nice try, though.

Peace.

[sheshe2]

332. Hey Jake, lets try this.

I posted an Op. Not my words, yet words I believe to be true.

Trump’s presidency and policies have been equal parts petty and punitive. Its primary objective is to retain whiteness’s status for generations to come—the status of straight, white, Christian men, particularly—and in doing so, it also aims to punish anyone who stands or even just exists in opposition to it. They want to punish blacks for not being white. Muslims for not being Christian. Women for not being virgins. Poor people for not being wealthy. Immigrants for not being what they consider to be true Americans.

You say:

I know you are angry. I understand your anger. I'm pretty sure that if I were to trade places with you, I would be at least as angry. Coming from a life of privilege, I would go off the charts crazy if I had to be subjected to the treatment that is the daily life of most black people in America.

Well Jake , it is not just about black America as the above paragraph states. It is about Black. Muslim. Women. Poor. Immigrants. POC.

But that story, multiplied by thousands, does bear on the detrimental effect your (however justified) screed against "American White People" has on combatting racism. While many of us old white people take the vilification you hurl with equanimity, there are those with my kind of story who take your hurt personally - as a direct accusation. It makes a divide where there should not be.

My screed? Is that like a screech from an old white woman, me, who by your own word

While many of us old white people take the vilification you hurl with equanimity, there are those with my kind of story who take your hurt personally - as a direct accusation. It makes a divide where there should not be.

If I had vilified you then I would have vilified my own white self. Fact is, never happened. I never hurled anything and saying White People does not mean all white people. Got it?

[Jakes Progress]

361. I'm sorry you are so upset.

I'm sorry you can't see through the mist of your anger to see my point. I have agreed with you so many times in the past, but you don't want to discuss my point. You just take any statement that you can to launch into more hate. You are much brighter than to misunderstand my point. You have to be willfully playing with words to avoid my criticism - criticism not of you message, but of your methodology and direction.

So just go in peace. Try to understand when you are attacking people instead of feeling like you are being attacked.

And yes. By definition when you say "White People" it means all white people. Anti-Semites don't say "All Jews are ..." They just say "Jews are ..." Bigots don't say "All Blacks are ..." Trump didn't say "All Mexicans are ...".

If I say tomatoes are poison, I have to qualify my noun if I don't mean all tomatoes.

Again, my point is that such language is divisive and only serves to turn off those on the margins. Just how many votes in November are you willing to give up so that you can stamp your foot and vent? It isn't about you.

[sheshe2]

364. Ah.

I'm sorry you can't see through the mist of your anger to see my point.

The mist of my anger. lol. You are poetic.

You just take any statement that you can to launch into more hate.

Launching hate.

You have to be willfully playing with words to avoid my criticism

I avoided your criticism. Your criticism? I should hang my head at your criticism and feel chastised?

Try to understand when you are attacking people instead of feeling like you are being attacked.

And yes. By definition when you say "White People" it means all white people. Anti-Semites don't say "All Jews are ..." They just say "Jews are ..." Bigots don't say "All Blacks are ..." Trump didn't say "All Mexicans are ...".

I see now, you never read the article as others admitted they did not.

The article said 'most' not all and it was referring to donnies world.

It’s most white men. It’s most white women. It’s most white college graduates. It’s most whites without a degree. It’s most white Christians. It’s most 18- to 29-year-old whites. Most 30- to 44-year-old whites. Most 45- to 64-year-old whites. Most whites 65 and older.

An America with restricted access to legal abortion is an America that most white people want. An America where children are ripped away from their parents at the border is an America that most white people want. An America where school shootings are an acceptable byproduct of the generous interpretation and expansion of the Second Amendment is an America that most white people want. An America where law enforcement is able to commit consequence-less crimes against people of color is an America that most white people want. An America where anything that stands counter to the president’s lies is considered “fake” is an America that most white people want.

They are not horrified by him and what he is doing. They asked for it. They wished for it. They voted for it. And they are everywhere white people are.



Which means they are everywhere.

Night night Jake.

[johnp3907]

401. I don't think Jake is making much progress.

[samir.g]

337. Thanks wypipo

Thanks a lot.

[oberliner]

346. Idiotic nonsense

Dismissive and hateful towards the millions and millions of white Americans who fought tooth and nail to try to elect Hillary Clinton and defeat Donald Trump.

[sheshe2]

348. Aaaah...

Second thread of mine you commented on within minutes. You don't like what I post, don't read them.

[oberliner]

349. I like what you post

I just disagree with the content of this particular article, quite strongly, and wanted to share that sentiment. The other article about Melania, I don't feel as strongly about - just not a fan of that particular approach. You've posted other content and sentiments that I've agreed with wholeheartedly.

[sheshe2]

354. Well, this post right below yours says a lot

...about some of the many responses here in this thread that proves beyond a doubt that they NEVER read past the title of the Op. So typical, of certain DUers that follow me around here at DU and vilify me for posting about race. I do, because it concerns me. My family is mixed race as is my sisters husbands.

Read what Bongo high lighted from the OP article. then go through this thread and read some of the comments to me.

Thank you for your response, oberliner.

Bongo Prophet (2,189 posts)

351. For those who say the author should have just said "most" white people then it would be OK

Well... from the article:


Of course, Donald Trump did not invent racism. Nor can you credit him for creating some of our more draconian and heartless immigration and foreign policies. They existed before him and were enforced by the presidents preceding him, including Barack Obama. But what he’s done is removed the muzzle and added an amplifier.

This is what Trump campaigned on. This is what he said he would do. This is what they want him to do. And “they” are most white people.

It’s most white men. It’s most white women. It’s most white college graduates. It’s most whites without a degree. It’s most white Christians. It’s most 18- to 29-year-old whites. Most 30- to 44-year-old whites. Most 45- to 64-year-old whites. Most whites 65 and older.

An America with restricted access to legal abortion is an America that most white people want. An America where children are ripped away from their parents at the border is an America that most white people want. An America where school shootings are an acceptable byproduct of the generous interpretation and expansion of the Second Amendment is an America that most white people want. An America where law enforcement is able to commit consequence-less crimes against people of color is an America that most white people want. An America where anything that stands counter to the president’s lies is considered “fake” is an America that most white people want.

They are not horrified by him and what he is doing. They asked for it. They wished for it. They voted for it. And they are everywhere white people are.


Alright, so there you have it! Sorry about your fucking eyesight so bad you can't see the truth even if it is explicitly spelled out for you. So I bolded it for you. Check your own selves, instead of accusing a long-time, well respected DUer of being a fucking troll. I repeat, check your own selves, your defensiveness, your biases, before accusing another of ill intent. Get real, fellow white "but-not-in-a-BAD-way" fellow humans.

Grow the fuck up!

[oberliner]

357. I agree that many people respond to posts without reading the article, only the headline

That is a pet peeve of mine as well.

With respect to the article, I reiterate my feelings about it. It has essentially no content beyond the headline and does nothing other than to associate all the awfulness of Trump with white people generally. If you can point to what constructive purpose an article like this serves, I would be open to hearing it. I cannot find any.

[sheshe2]

358. We will have to agree to disagree.

I am far to tired with home care for a 92 year old right now. I just spent the last 7 days, 24/7 caring for them single handed because my sibling went on vacation. If you haven't done it, you have no clue how hard it is. It is enough to kill you and this is my second round.

Night.

[oberliner]

360. Fair enough

I wish you all the best with everything you have to do.

[Gothmog]

395. Racist New York man spews horrific racial insults at black man dropping off his young son

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

372. Black candidate running in rural NY criticized for not being 'like us' -- because he once made a rap

Link to tweet

[Bongo Prophet]

351. For those who say the author should have just said "most" white people then it would be OK

Well... from the article:

Of course, Donald Trump did not invent racism. Nor can you credit him for creating some of our more draconian and heartless immigration and foreign policies. They existed before him and were enforced by the presidents preceding him, including Barack Obama. But what he’s done is removed the muzzle and added an amplifier.

This is what Trump campaigned on. This is what he said he would do. This is what they want him to do. And “they” are most white people.

It’s most white men. It’s most white women. It’s most white college graduates. It’s most whites without a degree. It’s most white Christians. It’s most 18- to 29-year-old whites. Most 30- to 44-year-old whites. Most 45- to 64-year-old whites. Most whites 65 and older.

An America with restricted access to legal abortion is an America that most white people want. An America where children are ripped away from their parents at the border is an America that most white people want. An America where school shootings are an acceptable byproduct of the generous interpretation and expansion of the Second Amendment is an America that most white people want. An America where law enforcement is able to commit consequence-less crimes against people of color is an America that most white people want. An America where anything that stands counter to the president’s lies is considered “fake” is an America that most white people want.

They are not horrified by him and what he is doing. They asked for it. They wished for it. They voted for it. And they are everywhere white people are.

Alright, so there you have it! Sorry about your fucking eyesight so bad you can't see the truth even if it is explicitly spelled out for you. So I bolded it for you. Check your own selves, instead of accusing a long-time, well respected DUer of being a fucking troll. I repeat, check your own selves, your defensiveness, your biases, before accusing another of ill intent. Get real, fellow white "but-not-in-a-BAD-way" fellow humans.

Grow the fuck up!

[sheshe2]

352. Sigh...

They never read the article, they never go past the title.

Thank you so much for the bolding and for your kind words, Bongo Prophet.

[heaven05]

367. WOW!!!! damn!!! true this!!!!

great unassailable, some will try, truthful perspective.

[Gothmog]

368. Another white person arrested for racial attack

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

369. Geez!

What is wrong with these people!

[Gothmog]

373. Meanwhile, back home. 'I'm gonna get you, n***er!' White man melts down at family over their anti-T

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

374. It never stops, does it Gothmog.

[Gothmog]

375. It has gotten far worst under Trump with is the thesis of the OP

We are also seeing attacks on Jewish institutions by hate groups. Hate groups feel free to come out into the open under trump.

[sheshe2]

378. Yes,

he left the door wide open for his now emboldened white supremacist followers to do as they please.

[Gothmog]

382. Trump-loving skinhead group led by GOP official beats up black man at Pennsylvania bar

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

391. People calling cops on black kids -- will it never end?

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

398. This makes me smile

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

387. WATCH: White owner of urban Detroit clothing store spits in black man's face in ugly parking lot dis

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

399. Far-right personalities tout Trump's subservience to Putin as victory for 'global white supremacy'

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

370. White Americans humiliated themselves by supporting the racist stooge of a foreign tyrant

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

376. "Making excuses for racism never ends well."

Making excuses for racism never ends well. It hurts people on both sides of the color line. In the case of Donald Trump, racism helped him to win the White House and, as now appears evident, betray the United States to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Trump’s embrace of Putin’s autocratic regime and betrayal of the United States’ military and intelligence agencies at Monday’s summit in Helsinki constitutes one of the worst moments in the history of the American presidency.

I hope we survive this.

[beachbum bob]

379. Lumping all white people together isn't very smart. We are not all idiots.

Nor are we racist or anti female..

[sheshe2]

380. Perhaps you might try reading the article

rather than commenting on it unread. Since when does 'MOST' mean ALL?

[Gothmog]

381. The white supremacists from last year in Charlottesville chanting "Russia is our FRIEND!

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

385. This went very badly for her and she ended up being wrestled to the ground -- for being a racist

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

386. Seattle realtor under fire for calling historic black area a 'hood' buyers will be able to 'stomach'

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

400. Frantic racist chases victim through subway car to steal phone containing her ugly recorded rant

It never stops

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[tonyt53]

402. Have to ask, just what does a thread like this do? It replays something we know.

Can't replay the 2016 election. If so, then how about we knock those that voted 3rd party?

This nonsense needs to end right now. Not tomorrow; not next week; but right now. Instead of this trying to "name names", every effort should be focused on getting everybody out to vote against every Republican. But then, I suppose we could do, exactly what those opposed to our democracy want, and fight among ourselves.

So, to say to me "shame on you", I'll reply "kiss my big 'ol butt". Shaming won't win over voters. I've never voted for a Republican. I was in the first 18 y/o's to vote. There are millions other like me. You start shaming them and they won't show up to vote in 2018 just like they didn't in 2016.

We ARE a diverse nation. Start acting and talking like it and give up the generalizations. That is a recipe for losing.

[sheshe2]

404. Well.

So, to say to me "shame on you", I'll reply "kiss my big 'ol butt". Shaming won't win over voters. I've never voted for a Republican. I was in the first 18 y/o's to vote. There are millions other like me. You start shaming them and they won't show up to vote in 2018 just like they didn't in 2016.

Sorry Tony, never met you before and don't know you from Adam. So no, I did not say it to you. This isn't about you, since it talks about trump voters and you are not one. I never understand why people try to make it about themselves when it never described you.

You are not...(from the article)

It’s most white men. It’s most white women. It’s most white college graduates. It’s most whites without a degree. It’s most white Christians. It’s most 18- to 29-year-old whites. Most 30- to 44-year-old whites. Most 45- to 64-year-old whites. Most whites 65 and older.

An America with restricted access to legal abortion is an America that most white people want. An America where children are ripped away from their parents at the border is an America that most white people want. An America where school shootings are an acceptable byproduct of the generous interpretation and expansion of the Second Amendment is an America that most white people want. An America where law enforcement is able to commit consequence-less crimes against people of color is an America that most white people want. An America where anything that stands counter to the president’s lies is considered “fake” is an America that most white people want.

They are not horrified by him and what he is doing. They asked for it. They wished for it. They voted for it. And they are everywhere white people are.

Would have been great if you read the whole article, it says 'most' not all and refers to trump voters.

Vote totals:

Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, with 63,649,978 votes to Trump's 61,943,670. The 'most' are the trump totals. You are not one.

Please,with all due respect do not presume to tell what I did and did not say, nor presume to tell me what I can and cannot say on Democratic Underground.

Thank you, Tony.

[tonyt53]

405. But YOU did say ME. You said "white people". Say all you want, but stuff like this helps nobody.

[sheshe2]

406. Geez.

I am white and I think you are purposely trying to misunderstand my OP.

I will say it once again. YOU are not a WHITE TRUMP VOTER, this isn't about you.

I am done.