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https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a22108183/trump-administration-separated-children-court-order/Someone Should Go to Jail for This
The Trump administration* has ignored a federal court order to return toddlers they ripped away from their parents.
By Charles P. Pierce
Jul 10, 2018
I gave them the entire day. Now, the president* is in Europe, and, while I know that this is an indelicatenay, an uncivilquestion, I have to ask why nobody is not in jail yet behind this? From The New York Daily News:
Fabian maintained in the court papers the government is in compliance with the Courts order, even though it blew Sabraws initial deadline and didnt live up to its subsequent promises. The American Civil Liberties Union which successfully argued last month the Trump administration must reunite the separated migrant families called bull. Plaintiffs recognize that Defendants cannot yet reunify the parents who are currently being held in criminal custody, ACLU lawyer Lee Gelernt wrote in a response filing. But as to all other Class Members with children under five, the government is not in compliance with the clear deadline ordered by the Court.
Try this sometime. Youre in court and the judge gives you a deadline to do something by Day X. Then, when Day X arrives, tell the judge that youve only been able to do four percent of what the judge demanded that you do. See where youre eating dinner that night.
This whole thing is preposterous now. The administration* never had a plan to do anything except separate these families and hold the children hostage. It certainly had no plan to reunite the children with their parents. As far as I can tell, it had no plan beyond the phrase, zero-tolerance. Now, its trying to cobble a policy together as fast as its trying to cobble together facilities in which to warehouse terrified toddlers. And all its got left is a president* who believes that he doesnt have to listen to people like federal judges. From the WaPo:
Nice kid you have there. Be a shame if you never saw them again.
This is barely organized crime.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)riversedge
(70,182 posts)Hekate
(90,627 posts)Some of whom got shot up the other day when Trump bellowed they were the enemy of the State and People.
But they persist.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)Put that into a legal defense fund for all the families
olegramps
(8,200 posts)We are facing the one of the most important elections in the nation's history. It is not an exaggeration that the Republican Party has become infested with fascist philosophy and has adopted fascist tactics to control the nation. I assert that the Republican party must face the same fate as the Nazi party of Germany. Under the Republican Party we are headed for an exact repeat of the same excesses that were committed by the Nazis. That is the depravation of human rights under the guise of protection of the fatherland.
The Republican Party must be destroyed. It is the party that brought us Watergate and a horde of illegal activities. The party that under Reagan gave us Iran-gate, the destruction of the unions, and control of the broadcast system of hate radio to spread their evil propaganda unopposed. Bush and his henchmen lied us into war that has cost us over 5,000 dead soldiers, tens of thousands permanently maimed at a cost of billions. At ever turn their representatives have voted against labor, medical care for all, environmental protections...the list determined to subjugate the working class is virtually without limit.
Their sole goal is to enrich the wealthy at the expense of the working class. This charge is backed up by the facts. Between 1948 and 1973 wages rose in tandem with productivity. Since then the decoupling in the United States has been dramatic. While productivity increased by over 75%, real wages rose by less than 10% and for the bottom 60% less than 1%. Guess who pocketed the vast profits? The profits of corporations went from 4.5% to 5.6% during the same period.
Republican greed and the methods that they have continued to resort to are a more potent enemy than any external one facing our nation. The answer is simple vote in 2018. Be unafraid to brand them as fascists who have no limit to their greed and contempt for the working class.
Beartracks
(12,806 posts)Vote Republicans out of office.
Keep Republicans out of office.
They're not grassroots. They're weeds.
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olegramps
(8,200 posts)MontanaMama
(23,301 posts)Nobody in this shit show is accountable for anything.
mcar
(42,296 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)So many keep saying - just wait until there are charges brought, or wait until Mueller files charges against somebody,...Or -- I can;t wait to see trump in jail....
so what?
WHO is going to actually ARREST ANYBODY AND PUT THEM IN JAIL??
WHO?
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Right !
NOBODY ! That's who..
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Lock this person up. She did not follow a court order, get specific...lock her up..
That might get someone's attention....and if the next one that appears, does not get the children released, then lock that person up...and keep locking them up until the Atty General appears to explain why the children have not been released...And then lock that asshole up.
Lock that asshole up.
Made me laugh aloud.
I like it.
byronius
(7,392 posts)I wonder -- will there come a day when these Throwbacks wish they hadn't triggered all those Regular Americans?
I intend to spend the rest of my life making that happen.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)That day will be in January. The "Throwbacks" haven't got a clue, if this is an "honest election".
Taking kids from their parents is illegal and morally wrong (without a court procedure proving parents are incapable of being parents)
What has been done is illegal, awful, and morally wrong...if this is an honest election the throwbacks will go down in ways they haven't ever imagined. Say 300 Democrats in the house..60 in the Senate. Why..??
Taking kids from their parents is illegal and morally wrong (without a court procedure proving parents are incapable of being parents)...oh, and lots of people are parents..even the throwbacks..
byronius
(7,392 posts)She's voted Republican forever. I told her at her 4th of July party that I went to the immigration march --
"Why doesn't somebody just kill him," she hissed at me. "Someone should just shoot him. Those children will suffer from this for the rest of their lives."
I have never heard her speak like that. It was startling. Both she and her generally whacko right-wing husband hate Trump, and they hate what's been done. I hope it translates into action -- but just to see that naked rage -- holy cow.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)Send in U.S. Marshals to detain agency heads at both ends of the child routes.
In detention, they'll have plenty of time to reverse engineer their people who both sent and received these kids, or they won't be released until they do.
A crime is a crime. The punishment should fit the crime of abducting children against their parents' wills, and in denial of human rights, without tracking documentation.
Stuart G
(38,414 posts)Whatever works..Then, , whatever works...!!!
ancianita
(36,017 posts)ooky
(8,921 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)IQ45 would simply dash off a bunch of pardons, just like the arsonists out in Oregon.
I'm thinking the federal marshals are appreciating the support they got on THAT case!
House of Roberts
(5,168 posts)"Pardons have been demonstrated to not legally have an effect on contempt of court charges since, like a civil case, a contempt charge isn't considered an affront to the United States; instead, it's considered an affront to the court."
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Someone - a lot of someones should go to prison for the child abductions. Much like all the someones should have gone to prison for torture.
Everything I just typed and $3.50 can get you a regular coffee at my local Starbucks.
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)at least you soon won't get a plastic straw................
(boy, we gotta' grab at what we can at this point......................)
((Oh, wait, I didn't mean to say "grab" - that sounds like something "someone else" would say.................)
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)fierywoman
(7,680 posts)ultimately have planned for them?
Mr.Bill
(24,269 posts)The feds are paying $700 a day to Christian non-profits connected to the DeVos family to house them.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)fierywoman
(7,680 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)"We don't need on stinkin' plan!"
xajj4791
(84 posts)but no one wants to think of that. What do military aged black males and Hispanics have in common in today's America? They are targeted by the establishment. I guarantee you that if large groups of armed people were ensuring their rights were not trumped on, things would start to change. Police would be more hesitant to shoot on sight if they knew that they might come under fire for doing so. ICE might be a bit more friendly to immigrants if large groups might be hunting them at the border for the atrocities the commit under Trumps reign.
aggiesal
(8,909 posts)The 2nd amendment was created to have a militia, not for everyone to have a gun.
Read the Federalist Papers when they debated this very amendment.
You want to own a gun, sign up for the State Guard or the National Guard and do
your weekend duty once per month.
Just like it was described in the Federalist Papers over 200 years ago.
Besides, the first time anyone tries to fight back with guns, will be the last time.
The government will come down with so much firepower, there will be blood everywhere,
and it won't be on their side. Then they will show up with a SWAT team at every search
or arrest from that point on.
You want to change what's going on? VOTE them out of office!!!
VOTE
calimary
(81,192 posts)One of the guests on MSNBC (Michael Steel, who was a former spokesman for then House Speaker Boehner) earlier today said this is not a loan-sharking! This is an alliance! And hes a Republican.
genxlib
(5,524 posts)When it is this disorganized.
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)to believe IQ45 actually has a "plan!"
NoMoreRepugs
(9,401 posts)It's only applicable these days to the people beneath the people who make and enforce the rule of law. The Orange Menace will do what he wants when he wants and the only body politic that can contain him is in willful alliance.
BigmanPigman
(51,583 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)the "PUGS" have NO interest in doing their job - containing him.
ALBliberal
(2,334 posts)Where we can't even check the news! Bad news after bad! And it's completely their strategy. To get us so exhausted from their horrible behavior and law avoidance that we throw up our hands and give up! So very very sick and tired of this rabid bunch of haters and misfits
Hope to HELL Michael Moore or someone will start chronicling this horrible process of separating families.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)If any country had done this to American families and American children, we would have nuked them back to the pre-Cambrian era by noon.
Ahpook
(2,749 posts)We have all listened to what needs to happen in this country for years. What needs to happen is those exact ideas.
It is always talk, no action, with which needs to be millions.
spanone
(135,815 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...simply doesn't care. This administration is breaking numerous laws. And Republicans just don't care. They have the House, they have the Senate, they have the SCOTUS. More than half the population either supports this madness or doesn't pay any attention to what's happening.
We are living through an insanely, shockingly awful period of history.
MyOwnPeace
(16,925 posts)we have to be sure to GET OUT THE VOTE - it could be our last chance.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)Charlie wins the internet today with that description of the tRump administration.
Nitram
(22,781 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)When cadet bone spurs kneels before his lord and master this week, Vlad will give him a pat on the head and a keep up the good work!
More Russian oligarchs will launder money through the drumpf cabal (cant call it an organization), and into PACs for RepubliCONs mid-term elections.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)a bit less felonious and treasonous.