Is anyone watching MSNBC? Trump at NATO breakfast

[Solly Mack]

Trump claiming Germany is controlled by Russia since they buy natural gas from Russia.

Germany is a "captive" of Russia.

Trump is wondering why the U.S. "protects" Germany from Russia if Germany is a "captive" of Russia.

[Turbineguy]

1. Never miss a chance to show

them what an idiot you are.

[Solly Mack]

2. And they are being so polite

They've cut away now.

[Afromania]

26. The rest of the world is doing it's best to wait this shitshow out, but they are probably looking

for workarounds as we speak.

[Solly Mack]

27. Most likely. They'd be smart to look for ways around the POS.

They could do us a solid and lose him somehow.

[Afromania]

31. I wouldn't be surprised if they are working behind the sceens to gather info on him, the republicans

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and Russia. At this point with the way the gop is acting. It's in the worlds interest to work against them and get as many Democrats in office as possible. Case in point is the way the tariffs are being targeted.

[get the red out]

34. I hope

The American people need help!

[secondwind]

3. Oy vey

[Solly Mack]

6. It was embarrassing.

[TreasonousBastard]

4. Yes, I saw that. The great dealmaker at work.

[Solly Mack]

7. I wanted them to snap back at him.

[TreasonousBastard]

14. Me too, but they are diplomats.

[Solly Mack]

15. That, and they know he's ignorant and petty. A bad combo.

[TreasonousBastard]

23. Who was that guy the other day who said something like...

"Be nice to your allies. You don't have that many."

These kinds of meetings aren't to make waves-- they are largely ceremonial and puff up things done or to be done. But Trump is an asshole and doesn't know that.

[Solly Mack]

24. EU leader, Donald Tusk

Trump wants to look tough. A bad look on a cowardly geriatric with bone spurs.

[TreasonousBastard]

25. Right! (Aging memory does it again)

[magicarpet]

82. TrDump is prone to be retaliatory and vindictive like a spoiled brat child.

[dalton99a]

5. They're thinking: "What a stupid asshole"

[Solly Mack]

8. Judging by the shared look on their faces...

Yes

[GoCubsGo]

71. Yep. That, and...

"The only captive of Russia is the one you see every time you look in the mirror, you pee-stained Putin puppet."

[PearliePoo2]

9. He's totally unhinged and out of control. WTF?

Did you see Pompeo reacting to his verbal shit show? Someone needs to bring some Thorazine and a straight jacket right now.
Hang on folks. We're officially in the twilight zone. The fucker is nuts.

[Solly Mack]

11. Yes! Unreal.

[Solly Mack]

10. Oh, damn. They're repeating his Germany as a captive remarks.

Make it stop. Make it stop. Make it stop.

By "it", I mean Trump.

[JI7]

12. fucked up piece of shit

[Solly Mack]

16. He is

[area51]

13. Project much, Trump?

[Solly Mack]

17. And he's got that defensive look on his face he gets when he thinks people

will disagree with him.

The Secy Gen isn't falling for it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

55. Pretty much that's all he does.

[Ilsa]

75. Nailed it. That's him, projecting again.

He has no introspection, he cannot take responsibilty for himself, so he turns his anger on others.

[PearliePoo2]

18. They wanted the cameras out of there before the bastard turned the table upside down!

He's absolutely nuts!

God, I can only hope he chokes on his scrambled eggs and no one knows the Heimlich maneuver!

PLEASE Mother Nature...take him out!

[Solly Mack]

20. It's only going to get worse from here.

[Totally Tunsie]

51. They'll know the Heimlich...

they just won't use it.

What a fucking embarrassment he is, and this is just the beginning. I HATE this SOB moron.

[flor-de-jasmim]

19. He's speaking to his base, I bet.

[Solly Mack]

22. He's speaking from his butt, as usual - so, yeah, he's talking to his base.

[maryellen99]

28. Yeah his base who has no knowledge of foreign affairs and refuse to educate themselves nt

[Solly Mack]

29. That would be them

[octoberlib]

61. He's speaking to Putin. The goal is to break up NATO. His supporters don't give a shit

about any of this stuff.

[bdamomma]

88. his base

is as fucked up as him. deluded as ever.

So he's an ass and will always be an ass. I hate the fucking man. What a POS, and totally unhinged. I am not watching him.

[Satch59]

30. Would love to see them kick him out...

Or call him an ignorant bully to his face, then kick him out... Does he know the senate voted 97-2 to fully support NATO??

[eShirl]

32. our Ass is showing again

what an embarrassment he is

[NewJeffCT]

33. we buy oil from the Saudis and elsewhere

are we controlled by the Saudis?

[Bettie]

63. Yep, but he got big gold things from them

and they let him touch their orb, so he's good with that.

[Eyeball_Kid]

101. Worse yet, our trade business, and deficit, with China is stratospheric. Are we controlled by China?

Oops. No one should answer that.

[bdjhawk]

35. Wish they would have collectively done what I do when a MAGAt tells me some preposterous lie

Burst out laughing and then when they look at you like they are appalled at the laughter, say “Oh, I thought for sure you were joking. You really mean that?!!”.

[pansypoo53219]

36. so speaks putin's asset.

[OnDoutside]

37. What would have been REALLY funny is if the NATO guy said, "Yes, you are right. We should eliminate

the natural gas coming from Russia, so we are not in any way energy dependent on them, we'll get onto it". Can you imagine Trump's handler loving that one !!!

[True Blue American]

39. He did say," The deal was made before

I came on.” Please listen carefully to what was said. I despise Trump, but you can bet this will make Trump more popular at home.

[OnDoutside]

40. That has never stopped him before ! If it was Obama who made that deal, it would already be gone.

Trump thinks he's safe in using that against Germany knowing they aren't going to do anything about it, while making him "appear" anti-Russian. As was subsequently said on MSNBC, he could just include that in sanctions against Russia, but he knows his handler would not be happy.

[True Blue American]

46. Quit listening to the Media! They gave us Trump!

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Listen to the real conversation!

[OnDoutside]

47. Oh ? And where would one "Listen to the real compnversation" ?

[True Blue American]

66. Sorry, I get too close to the IPad

My point is pundits tell you what they think. You really need to listen to what they said in that conversation.

[True Blue American]

38. This is one subject I think Trump is right on.

Since the Marshall plan after WW2, we have helped rebuild all those Countries, provided Military protection while they poured money into their countries.

Germany signed that billion dollar contract giving those billions to Russia while refusing to pay to protect their own countries.

Our Country is falling apart while we still pay for their protection.

So guys have at me. This is the only thing I agree with Trump on except unfair tariffs. China is the biggest one.

Trump may be a Bull in a China Shop, but he is objecting to the things people have been complaining about since the 1980’s.

Democrats need to think long and hard about these things. It is why so many voted for Trump.

On Promised Health care Trump is a total failure.

[UCmeNdc]

41. Right How?

[Mopar151]

83. Only that he is playing to common misconceptions

Especially among older Americans, whose knowledge of history is a little (!) spotty, particularly from 1932 -1964.

[babylonsister]

42. "It is why so many voted for Trump"

Seriously? His deplorables have NO IDEA what the Marshall Plan even was, and even less knowledge of our standing anywhere, nor do they care. And our country only seems to be falling apart because of this moron.

[True Blue American]

44. You are right!

I do, but those who voted for Trump only see how we have been cheated on trade deals over the years. Provided protection for Germany,Japan and all the rest.

We have been taken advantage of over the years and Trump is using that anger to feed his base! It is time for Democrats to face the reality,instead of just ranting about Trump!

I just listened to that exchange, am listening again now. Trump was answered by,” I have been fighting against that deal ever since I came in.” Also,” it was made before I came in.”

[Pholus]

53. Why is this argument against allies always so one sided?

EVERY US concern for the past seventy years has been taken to our allies for approval and support, who even when we are being stupid as sh*t jump right on board.

You say "cheated on trade deals" I say "obtained a favorable negotiating position."

And dollar by dollar INFINITELY cheaper than the money we give the useless rich people with "yachts with tiny yachts inside them."

As Mattis says, it's cheaper than the equivalent amount of bullets you'd have to buy him.

[True Blue American]

94. The worker

That voted for Trump feels cheated. And they have good reason.

[Pholus]

99. Well, guess what, I actually HAVE been cheated by Trump. What does that get ME?

My insurance has been cut, my pension is flatlined and possibly flat out on the chopping block. Things I buy are getting more expensive for very stupid reasons.

You seem real worried about your workers' grievances a lot. So do my grievances tug at your heartstrings?

Cause the Trump-voting "workers" you are so concerned about actually laughed in my face when I mentioned those things. Frankly those sociopaths actually were happy that a liberal was losing even if they were also losing. So, pal, those are the new rules of the game.

I've always lent a helping hand but these days I help a Trump-voter FAR LESS than I help people who figured out the conman was gonna screw them. I don't make bad investments anymore.

[LuckyCharms]

64. "but those who voted for Trump only see how we have been cheated on

trade deals over the years".

Um, no.

Those who voted for Trump do not see that at all.

What the hell are you saying?

Most people who voted for Trump cannot spell the word "trade", let alone be concerned about it.

[True Blue American]

67. I have watched the anger grow over the years

Those Trump voters feel we have been cheated, in many cases they are right.

If Democrats do not try to deal with this, they will continue to lose those voters.

[elias7]

74. Most Trump voters are not informed enough to ever have given one thought to trade deals

Trump voters have been cheated. But mostly by Republican policies that favor the rich. They don't see that Dem policies highly favor them. How would you propose we deal with the lying and misinformation that the Republicans have made their modus operandi for the past 3 decades?

[rzemanfl]

73. They can spell "trade" from the sports pages. They cannot spell "commerce" though. n/t

[Lee-Lee]

86. You dismiss them all like that at your, no our, folly

I’m not taking about the hard core Confederate flag waving, MAGA hat wearing deplorable. Yeah, they are as you described.

But we never catch thier votes.

I’m taking about those middle of the road types who are willing to look past his flaws because on things like trade he says what they want to hear. Those voters who swapped from Obama to Trump in states like PA and Michigan.

Yes, they are smart enough to look at these issues. They do see that they have been negatively affected by trade deals in the past. And they blame other negative effects on the trade deals too. They typically have more military experience than the general population so they understand that the US has carried a disproportionate load for NATO for some time now.

They were willing to overlook so many of Trumps flaws because he spoke to what mattered to them in a way that made them feel like he would change things. Yeah, it was BS- but he reached them.

Don’t just dismiss them. It can be argued that ignoring those voters in states like WI and MI in the last campaign was a huge mistake.... he spoke to them, we did not.

[True Blue American]

95. Thank you!

This is what I am trying to get across to Democrats. They are ignoring the real anger of those who lost good paying jobs after Trade deals they consider bad.

Democrats have to have new plans to fix the desolate cities, Plan an honest Infrastucture Plan, fix the ACA!

They are so busy calling names they are playing right into the hands of the corrupt Republicans and Trump!

[LuckyCharms]

97. In my personal life, I have not met one Trump voter who

has mentioned their dissatisfaction with trade deals as his/her reason for voting for him.

I know many Trump voters...their reasons for voting for him are as follows:

1) Veiled racism that can be fleshed out after a short discussion with them.

2) Anyone but Hillary.

3) Liberal tears.

Trade is never mentioned. In my experience, it is not an issue to them. And as far as "speaking to them", why should Democrats bother at this point? If they are still on the dark side, they will remain there forever.

[Lee-Lee]

98. Where do you live and what are your social circles?

I live in NC. I grew up in a textile town.

There is still deep resentment over the loss of textile jobs with nothing replacing them.

Now, not all that is the fault of trade deals. Some of it is just how the economics swung as the world changed.

But a whole, whole lot of people, right or wrong, feel this way.

They grew up when you could graduate high school, get a job in the mill, work your job and make a living. Have a home, a family, a boat, and a pension when you finished.

In the 90’s not just the textile mills there but a bunch of other closed. People lost jobs. There were no new jobs for them, the new jobs required skills they didn’t have and nobody tried to help them get. Ross Perot was on TV blaming Bill Clinton and NAFTA.

And to some extent he was right. My dad worked in maintenance in plants and later had a business repairing textile machines and selling parts. He was there when the companies brought people in to pack up what machines they felt were worth moving to send to Mexico and when they didn’t want the rest he got it to sell parts to keep other mills going.

Some workers found themselves in the humiliating position of having to work their last days training their replacements that were flown up from Mexico to learn the equipment, and they had to stay and train their low paid replacement to get the severance. That sting has never gone away for them.

[GulfCoast66]

92. Taken advantage of over the years?

I think you need to study up on history. Germany and Japan have constitutional limits on their ability to have an offensive military because we made them do it after WWII. So if you have a complaint about them take it up with Truman, Marshall and Ike.

By 2024 most all European nations will provide 2% of their GDP to defense as NATO agreed in 2014. President Obama already solved the problem. Of course that may now be at risk since Trump is making it harder for them to fulfill their commitments since it looks like he is caving in to them.

And the idea that our huge military(4+ of our GDP) is there to protect Europe or even Japan is crazy. We could spend 2% like we want them to, and still fulfill our obligation. But then we would not have troops in over 100 countries and be able to do things like invade Iraq.

Way under 2% of our GDP is spent defending Europe whereas almost 100% of European outlaws are for NATO.

Your trade opinions are as misplaced as your view of NATO. But then again, as you freely admit you agree with Trump so it is not surprising.

[octoberlib]

60. Deplorables voted for Trump because they love the racism.

Don't kid yourself. They absolutely love every time he called Mexicans rapists. Trump supporters don't give a shit about NATO. And tariffs have been devastating for farmers and the auto industry. It didn't work when Nixon imposed steel tariffs and it won't work now. This isn't the 1930's.

[GoCubsGo]

62. Yep. They loved NATO--until Dear Leader told them it was bad.

They hated the Russians before he came along, as well. They're a fucking racist cult, for chrissakes.

[True Dough]

43. Germany has had some challenges with renewable energy

but the country forges ahead in trying to introduce more and more "green" sources of power, something Drumpf should learn from.

This headline is only from 16 hours ago:

Renewable energy surpass coal in German electricity production

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-07/11/c_137315241.htm

[True Blue American]

45. Of course!

Germany is putting their money into their country, while we are still protecting them!

Wake up, Democrats and face the anger that gave us Trump,instead of ranting about him.

[elias7]

50. the two pieces are not mutually exclusive, wouldn't you say?

Tell me how we are protecting Germany and how that is preventing an infrastructure and green energy bill for us.

The anger that gave us Trump is primal - purely xenophobic - against race, ethnicity, gender, other countries... all except Russia. Those who love Trump are too blinded by their own hate and fears to listen to reason. The world is constantly changing and if we don’t change along with it, we’ll be left behind.

[True Blue American]

69. Because our tax payer money

Has gone into the Military, protecting all these countries.The rebuilding of our Country has not been a priority for a long time.

For Heavens sake ,Eisenhower built the Interstate system after WW 2! Now, all we do is patch patch. Our bridges and Highways have been crumbling since thenyou can go off about deplorable, Trump,all you like, but this anger is real!

Until Democrats understand this, we will be in the minority!

I,a Moderate Democrat want us to win!

[elias7]

76. Right, and who has been blocking infrastructure reform and touting military spending?

Republicans all the way. The anger is real. Democrats do understand this. It is just that the anger is bullshit, because these poor folks have been victimized by a Republican bait and switch their whole lives. How do combat the lies when folks are hearing exactly what they want to hear?

[Autumn]

85. There's no money for infrastructure. There is only money for big ass tax breaks

for the wealthy and corporations and let us not forget our wars of choice. Since they don't mind those drains on our treasury maybe those deplorable should get a little smarter and focus their anger on the main problem. Why should we have to get dumber to appease them?

[Ezior]

52. So do you want the US to leave NATO?

Or what's the plan that you'd prefer? NATO just means that the US, like every other NATO country, protects all other NATO countries. If the US leaves NATO, it won't have to protect Germany, Poland or Estonia, but they won't help the US in Afghanistan or wherever the US needs help next time. Also, I guess that the US Army will have to pay for their bases in Germany where they manage wars in the middle east if they're no longer a NATO member.

I'm German, and I can tell you that quite a few Germans would like the US to leave NATO, and the US Army to leave Germany. I'm not one of them. I think NATO is a pretty clever idea. The US could simply cut down on military spending a little and try to stay out of wars so NATO can focus on actual defense mechanisms. That should be a lot cheaper.

Obviously, our Bundeswehr needs to get their shit together. It is in a terrible state, but that's not mainly due to underfunding. Almost makes you wonder if Putin somehow managed to put Russian agents in to manage German military. I'm not opposed to spending 2% of GDP on defence, but it won't improve the situation a lot unless there are huge improvements in mangement.

[leftofcool]

56. Anger didn't give us Trump, racism did.

[Pholus]

57. I take it you do not consider yourself a Democrat then...

Having interacted with many Trumpsters "angry" at America, I find it isn't as well focused as you claim. Sure, like a downing man they'll latch onto this and say "see this is the reason we voted for Trump" but when you press them they know little to nothing about the issue. They are uninformed. In the end, their real reasons will never see the light of day because even Trumpsters don't want the rest of us thinking that poorly of them.

That's what makes Trumpsters so susceptible to Russian Troll Farmers. I mean most of that Russian manipulation is transparent and laughable, put together by a talentless idiotic nearly infinite team of monkeys who think to themselves they are hitting their keyboards writing Shakespeare but who in reality sometimes manage to drool out something full of racist potty humor that the weak minded Trumpies will grab onto. But the adults are largely onto their game now.

[True Blue American]

93. I am a Moderate Democrat who

Despises Trump.

But for once,or twice Trump is right.

We need to stop the Military protection of those wealthy Countries and many Trade agreements hurt the manypufacturing sector.

Until we deal with why so many are angry we are going to fail.

Our bloated Military, taking care of other countries that can well afford their own, there will be no money to fix our Infrastucture, support the programs we now have.

Time for a drastic change.

[Pholus]

100. Strangely you missed 2 trillion dollars in tax cuts

meant so people with yachts with little yachts inside can afford a third yacht to hold both of them (thanks Alexandria for nailing the GOP corporate welfare queen so perfectly).

I think we should stop making handouts to billionaires before we cut anything that benefits the average citizen. Our "bloated" military ensures that Putin and China are not going to walk all over our interests and it employs more Americans than anything Trump has ever done.

Do you agree?

[True Blue American]

102. Yes,I agree on the tax cut.

It was horrendous as most Republican tax cuts always are.

But I also stand by the bloated Military remark. We have many times what we need for protection.

What we really need is Infrastructure programs, fixing the ACA, providing better Health care for the 30 to 65 year group.

We seriously need to fund our Public Education,make Higher Edipucation more affordable. Strengthen our Skilled Trades.

I have even discussed a basic wage for those who are living at the Poverty level, combine the hashed up Health care into one, make Welfare go away.

I could go on and on.

Democrats need a simple plan,one that all can understand.

[SidDithers]

58. Oh FFS...

Sid

[LonePirate]

59. It's still cheaper than the alternative of funding and fighting an actual war.

[OnDoutside]

91. But that anger was largely borne of ignorance, and fed by the very media you railed against, in this

thread.

[gademocrat7]

48. He is unhinged.

He has denigrated the office of the presidency.

[malaise]

49. He's mad

That is all

[Totally Tunsie]

54. Merkel has arrived. She doesn't look pleased.

This may be quite a set of meetings.

[GoCubsGo]

65. The lunatic is in the hall

The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paperboy brings more...

[syringis]

68. I wonder if they were laughing

with him or at him...

Unless May, the others almost do not adress him ! They barely reply or exchange but he has to move first !

[milestogo]

70. Making an ass of himself before world leaders.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

72. The Shithole-in-Chief is an embarrassment to the U.S. He won't be happy til the whole world hates us

[spanone]

77. what a fucking cretin

[muntrv]

78. Angela Merkel should throw Orange Starburst at him.

[bdamomma]

89. I think she should

put him in his high chair please. God, what a fucking embarrassment he is just a bully.

[Lee-Lee]

79. There are a few rarer items where I'm like "Trump is kinda right but I feel dirty even thinking it"

The issue of NATO countries like Germany not living up to their obligations to maintain certain levels of military readiness and spending is one of them.

We are carrying the load for them in many ways.

And it is a real issue.

But, dammit, I want it pressed and pushed by a responsible leader, not by Trump.

But just because he voices it don’t reject it as absolutely not a problem. Because it is, and one that our next President and Democratic controlled House and Senate will need to address.

https://m.dw.com/en/only-4-of-germanys-128-eurofighter-jets-combat-ready-report/a-43611873?xtref=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-military-readiness/big-gaps-persist-in-german-military-personnel-equipment-parliamentary-report-idUSKCN1G421H

https://m.dw.com/en/german-military-short-on-tanks-for-nato-mission/a-42603112?xtref=https%253A%252F%252Fwww.google.com%252F

So don’t be so fast to clamor there isn’t an issue. It isn’t as Trump frames it, but there is an issue. And since we know he will not get it fixed it will be on us to do it when the adults are back in charge.

[True Blue American]

96. But Democrats

Failed to address these issues. Trump used the anger and fear.

[dawg day]

80. Born rich- he never had to get anyone to like him

Seriously. He's always been able to bully and bribe people to be with him. He never had to be pleasant or polite like everyone else in the world. And he's 72, and unless there's a hell, he's never going to get the corrective he deserves.

[Orsino]

81. His every insult is projection.

He's that unimaginative.

[dae]

84. Trump continues to excel at dumbf*ckery.

[Zambero]

87. So then the U.S. must be controlled by China

No wait, is it Canada that controls us???

[Snellius]

90. Photo of the day from NATO

[Books_Tea_Alone]

103. Just got home from work - why is this not being covered now????

I leave early and have no cell phone use permitted as a teacher. Missed the entire morning & afternoon news cycle. Why is this not being covered now?? Watching MSNBC for about 30 min now and they are not covering T.rump’s NATO/Germany debacle. Why??

[Solly Mack]

104. It's been covered and I'm sure they will get back around to it.

I had an early day, the only reason I was up at the time. Finished my work, took a nap. Watching now to see what I missed. I'm sure it has gotten worse since this morning.

[lpbk2713]

105. Look! Up in the sky!

It's a bird.

It's a plane.

It's long tie man!!11!