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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMalcolm Nance is distraught on the Stephanie Miller show.
He is convinced that Trump's agenda is to destroy American democracy and that we are on the cusp of becoming a dictatorship.
I fear that he is 100% right.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)Very scary.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)the grownups are losing it with total fear and how the hell are we to get out of this horror show.
eleny
(46,166 posts)... and clearing outlining the measures we need to take - Vote and GOTV this November!
Texin
(2,596 posts)We're done here.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)and after the 5 tribes were reunited, Rhys tried one last time. He was murdered by a traitor, but hey, he never gave up. Neither will I.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...in fact, I am far from fucking done. Speak for yourself.
WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)Pulp Fiction?
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)FSogol
(45,481 posts)Vilis Veritas
(2,405 posts)DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)The left leaners have to get out in vote next November or it will pretty much be over.
nolabear
(41,960 posts)Dont wait for a hero. We have to get ourselves out of this.
duhneece
(4,112 posts)we need to commit to doing all we can (knocking, phoning, licking envelopes, talking talking talking face to face with friends, neighbors, family, wherever the Dem candidates want to canvass, etc.) to make sure we get 10 other voters to vote also...at LEAST 10 more.
certainot
(9,090 posts)giving crimea to russia, attacking mueller and obama, etc
without team limbaugh trump wouldn't have a chance in any of this
Eyeball_Kid
(7,431 posts)So far, theyre just embarrassed.
triron
(21,999 posts)I wonder if they are not aware.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)he's done his duty, and is ready for a fishing trip or something. omg. We pay them so much. They all need a summer working for 8.50 an hour. Betcha they'd get madder...faster...longer...and more productively.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)...we're simply dealing with political differences and incompetence.
All Democrats need to engage in smash-mouth politics. If a Democratic president broke even a minor law, much less numerous significant laws, Republicans would raise hell.
calimary
(81,220 posts)Seriously. What do we ever gain, or accomplish, by playing nice? The other guys never do. They go sneaky and nasty and devious and we always get rolled.
This is POLITICS, people. If you want nice rules that are about everybody playing nice, then you belong in a supervisors job at some daycare center or preschool play yard. NOT in Congress!
Ive been asking for a long time by now: WHERE are OUR devious thinkers???? Chuck The Doormat Schumer doesnt cut it. With my deepest apologies to our beloved and brilliant and compassionate former First Lady, Michelle Obama, when they go low, we have to go even lower. And nastier. And for those who say thats not who we are, that lofty who we are stuff is unfortunately who we WERE. Along time ago. Before the Newt Gingrich Slash n Burn era. Who are we now? The ones who get burned. And rolled. Because were still too busy playing nice.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)This game ( shudder. shudder.).
Pukes have been scheming on how to take power for decades. Buy a religion. Own the media networks. Own Pharmaceuticals. Own Wall St.
calimary
(81,220 posts)Last edited Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:51 PM - Edit history (1)
And activist think tanks at that. Theyre pretty deep and lavish on that side of the aisle. And theyve got some very deep pockets in the Kochs and Shel Adelson and the Mercers who arent afraid to write gargantuan checks. Where are ours?
Im looking at YOU, Michael Bloomberg. And YOU, Tom Steyer. And YOU, David Geffen. And wheres Bill Gates when we need him? And George Soros - yeah, him! Hes a big boogeyman whose name always pops up from the whiners and yowlers who complain that our side is rolling in dough. And George Clooney and Jay-Z and Beyoncé and the rest of liberal Hollywood? They need to step up.
And YOU, Zuckerberg. Dude, you have a long way to go to get back in the good graces of everyone you FAILED with Facebook becoming utterly infected by Cambridge Analytica - while you did NOTHING. Here's your chance to atone. Put your money where your patriotism is supposed to be! It's not like YOU can't afford it.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Every bit of it.
Ive become...relatively silent, confronted daily with more TRAITOROUS knives against the throat of the Republic.
Which is to say, * us *. Real people, millions of us.
Caliman73
(11,736 posts)Republicans are whiny pieces of shit, but they are loud and they get attention. Doesn't hurt that they represent the interests of the oligarchs that own the media companies, but this whole idea of complaining about every stupid little thing and "working the refs" has been the Republican strategy and they have worked with it to devastating effect.
We Democrats do need to fight harder and be loud. Call a liar a liar. Tell the people how Republicans are sitting there while all of the institutions and traditions of this country are being destroyed.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)That is not the way I see it. Do you watch them on tv? It doesn't sound like you do.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)It is the Republican Congress's job to stop Trump exercise oversight and they won't do it. Since the left left Green slimes knee capped our party in 16, there is nothing they can do to stop Trump.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)that seems to be changing and it scares me. A lot.
Malcolm has been very measured up until now. If his hair is on fire... ours should be to.
I second his remarks today on Stephanie Miller..."I don't see anyone mobilizing."
mikeysnot
(4,756 posts)he stated something to the effect and I am paraphrasing.
I have been to war... I have killed people and I am AFRAID.
I sat in silence with my wife for an hour. I fear for my sons future.
DownriverDem
(6,228 posts)Do you honestly think the Dems would want you and the repubs to know what they are planning on doing?
calimary
(81,220 posts)thats gonna have any teeth to it.
Wheres OUR Mitch McConnell? Sorry to say it. But thats what we need.
Demsrule86
(68,556 posts)when they had no power...he stood by and watched ACA become law...you need power to exercise power. We should all vote Democratic in every election...you would be surprised what we could do.
bdamomma
(63,841 posts)not doing anything. We are in the drivers seat now.
Malcolm Nance calling for mobilization.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)this isn't going to be a walk through the streets with a few chants, this will be for the duration.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Love Steph Miller!! They do that show in the basement of somebodies house i heard.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Which is why you see her dogs wander in from time to time.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)didn't want to rile anyone up today. Easy to attack the next guy it seems. (Maybe focus the ire on R's? I dunno. )
The big white dog looks very friendly. He just plops down anywhere.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Fred and Jamie. Jamie is a new rescue that she got after her older dog, Max, passed away last spring.
We don't see too much of Fred anymore, but Jamie is still a puppy, so she's always down there clowning around.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Context is everything. I love that show.
lapfog_1
(29,199 posts)followed by civil war.
ewagner
(18,964 posts)rtracey
(2,062 posts)Hmmm I'm not sure we are going into a civil war. I recall we (as our country) did not enter into a civil war when the Mr Obama was president. As racist as this country is.....remember, we had a black man as president for 8 years..... that is something to look back on and reflect.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)everything, what will they do? Who will they blame?
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)Are there a few nutjobs on that side of things that will be willing to go violent? Sure.
Most will just retreat to the den and watch Faux News and complain to one another about how this country used to be great until it got too big!
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)they'll go off half-cocked..wave their guns around...and get arrested...war over.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)camps all over. But maybe they'll get so drunk they shoot each other.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)In reality they are scummy little cowards playing war. The militia was supposed to fight AGAINST tyranny...in a perfect world...they'd come to their senses if it really really happened.
They're just a bunch of fanatics. We've dealt w them locally several times and they are a bunch of dim-wits, and always are revealed as such. Believe it or not...Democrats hunt, own guns, have CCW's and aren't the frightened babies ted nugent would have you believe. The whole thing with these people is scare tactics...but they haven't the stones to walk in parades etc. They've been out there a long long time. Be brave buckaroo.
WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Well,, we will need to see, but I am also seeing now and I think we will see in the future some...SOME but not all change their tune if many of these tariffs cause job loses..... I cant predict the future, but I am going to hope for a better realization.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Unfortunately some good people would die (liberals, progressives, Democrats, apolitical folk, children).
I don't think a country enamored of text messages, pickup trucks and chain restaurants has any motive for fighting a real civil war or even a small civil war.
However, the threat to our democracy is real. The wobbly middle needs to get "woke".
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)our 1/3 gets cancelled out by their 1/3.
The "middle" has to WTF pretty damn quick and get past the "they both are the same" brainwashing.
The threat is not really violence from our neighbors, it is the exponential movement toward chrisofascist authoritarianism in our government.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)The King of Prussia
(737 posts)All you need to do is buy a big balloon and the racist morons will run around shitting themselves m
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Due to the crap hes pulling with NATO.
bdamomma
(63,841 posts)nt.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)When Joe Scarborough reported about trump asking foreign policy people why cant we use Nuclear Weapons if we have them.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I grew up during the same Cold War he did. How the fuck can he even ask a question like that? It requires a unique blend of sociopathy and stupidity the likes of which the world has never seen.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I never would have guessed.
Then you know exactly what I'm talking about. Trump wouldn't ask a question like that unless there is something severely wrong with him.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)demigoddess
(6,640 posts)around almost forever. And it probably was not in the curriculum for an MBA. Boy, for the leader of the world he is ignorant as heck/
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)DBoon
(22,363 posts)the worst kind of stupid
His followers are cruel, too & they are looking for justification to be cruel to others they deem unfit or not worthy.
The other day I read something by a Holocaust survivor, I believe. 10% of the people are always cruel, 10% of the people are always merciful, & the other 80% can be swayed. The other thing I read was that an authoritarian doesn't need a majority of the population's support, only about 40%, as long as they are die-hard supporters. Guess where Trump's numbers have been sitting, pretty consistently throughout his term? He got in through a rigged electoral system, & he could stay in cuz of his base.
duforsure
(11,885 posts)And when he started talking it was scary because he's been right on everything so far. This is far more organized , and more have been compromised then known, and to destroy this Democracy , but also our economy , and undermine our government for revenge. trump with the help of the republican party are fully responsible for all this happening now. They sold us out. Treasonous corrupt criminals. Again the opposite of his claim "Law and Order " candidate and now President when treason and corruption running wild now.
dalton99a
(81,467 posts)Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)There have always been subversive traitors and hideous anti-humanity thugs just plotting and waiting. Obamas massive popularity and dignity, decency, integrity scared the hell out of them.
We were unprepared for the depth of the hate and fear he would generate, and so viciously.
The war is clearly going to be brutal no matter the form, and we cant be placid, accepting or typically peaceable. Even though that is totally our nature, as a people and a party.
But damn we HAVE to fight. We have to re-educate our lines of battle and our processes. The lives and freedoms we lose will most definitely be personal.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)because we peacefully had a black President for eight years, there are very different circumstances now. We have a 40% demagogue who has been laying the foundations for one under the guise of campaigning, and who clearly represents Putins stated goals for western democracies. The bonfire has not stopped, and may soon be uncontrollable.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)WhiteTara
(29,704 posts)and he is planning and executing this.
Loge23
(3,922 posts)The #IPOTUS is totally incapable of planning anything past his next meal - maybe not even that.
His recklessness however, is killing the country.
His cabinet appointments are all much more skilled at implementing their destructive agendas, his SCOTUS appointments will have lasting corrosive effects on our justice system, and - worst of all - his followers, in the tens of millions, will still be here long after the menace has been stilled.
This country has survived many calamities and much injustice in its' 242 years, but we have never had a situation quite like this one where the POTUS is a the tool of an opposing nation.
Nance can be hyperbolic at times but his observation on the lack of widespread public opposition to this administration is telling and starkly accurate.
What will it take? Will there ever be a uprising against this atrocious administration?
It's happened before - good country's go bad very quickly and often quietly.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)You know if by some miracle Dems control both the House and Senate, the Dotard will try and make deals with them. I have family who are Trumpers and their ignorance is profound. My brother-in-law, who is very wealthy, was crowing about how Trumps tough talk got North Korea to the bargaining table. My jaw dropped and then I just moved on to another subject. His sons, who are educated, shot me looks like we give up too. The ignorance is stunning and scary.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)I'm trying to avoid being distraught through distracting myself with entertainment, and taking klonopin.
I'm going to watch the season finale of Handmaids Tale this afternoon, so don't know how much of a distraction it will be.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)That would be like watching Brian's Song when you're dying of cancer.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)And then I should be happier.
CrispyQ
(36,461 posts)November is absolutely critical. If the dems don't win back control of at least one chamber, this country will be unrecognizable by 2020. He still has 2.5 years to go in this term!
But even winning one chamber isn't a guarantee we'll survive this, only that we may be able to thwart the worst of the damage. But only if the dems stay united & hold strong, not something I have a lot of confidence in. We'll let the blue dogs off the hook for voting with the GOP.
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)Open door to Russia.
onlyadream
(2,166 posts)nolabear
(41,960 posts)Here on the Left Coastvit starts at 6 am so I wake up with it most mornings. Comedy and horror all at once.
eShirl
(18,490 posts)today's full episode will be available here: https://freespeech.org/shows/the-stephanie-miller-show/
nolabear
(41,960 posts)onlyadream
(2,166 posts)Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)They have Steph, Thom Hartmann, Democracy Now, Bill Press, and a lot of other terrific content.
Amazon Fire TV used to have the FSTV app, but I think they got rid of it. Anyway, their app never worked as well as the Roku version.
If you have the IHeartRadio app on any platform, you can listen to Steph on KABQ 1350 out of Albuquerque.
NatBurner
(2,640 posts)the progressive voices station specifically
stephanie miller at 8 am central
randi rhodes at 3 pm
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)the tune in radio app.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Because IHeart is a conservative company (They used to be ClearChannel), and it sucks for them that one of their most popular talk radio stations is a progressive station out of Albuquerque, NM.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)One can still watch it after the show is over at the Free Speech TV video link. Ignore the date. The re-run is available until the next show begins. You may have to sit through several minutes of "The Girl From Iponema." However, you can toggle forward to skip over it.
She usually puts the Malcolm Nance segments on her YouTube page.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)you can listen anywhere if you have the tune in radio app. https://tunein.com/
I watch the show straight from her website on my tablet.
And as pointed out, via FreeSpeach TV.
dawg day
(7,947 posts)I think of all the actual professionals and public servants who actually care about the country and what they're doing in their job, who have spent years taking care and thinking and writing and planning-- and this Trump comes in and trashes everything-- says that nothing matters but him.
It's got to be horrifying. Decades of an alliance, for example, of diplomacy, and he just thunders in and smashes it.
So many people in the government and law enforcement must be thinking that their entire careers were wasted.
realmirage
(2,117 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)I am beyond annoyed that so few people and virtually no one in congres is saying this. The sole goal of his presidency and administration is to transition US democracy to authoritarian oligarchy, precicely Putins Russia. Putin had succesfully consolidated power over a few years controlling congress, judicial system including Russias supreme court and all mass media. And he is also trying to control internet now. Trump is doing exact same thing, there is no doubt he is consulted and directed by putin to achieve this goal. Real journalists and dem politicians (in critical districts) may become increasingly threatened by militia groups who wont be prosecuted easily. There are corporate ways to consolidate media via board of directors and changing networks like cnn, msnbc and others to increasingly resemble state propaganda. One of the most knowledgeble people on this subject in the US is Masha Gessen, she knows exactly whats happening and why Americans at large cant comprehend the scope of it because it is so terrifying that most just irrationaly deny it. Far too many people in this country beleive that constutition will protect us, this notion could not be further from the truth and, in fact, dangerous. US Constitution is being used much like Bible these days to justify anything.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)Posted around 2:30 pm EDT:
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)Then we're in big trouble. He's learning from Putin how to do it.
Nitram
(22,794 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)...get your passports in order. start clearing out the garage.....get the dogs shots up to date.
Kotya
(235 posts)Theyre pretty selective. Engineering degrees are helpful.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)Trump is great at organizing his "agents" to hide his activities and motives.
Nunes gives Trump congressional cover.
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