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(73,323 posts)it backwards.
Unless Crowley is really parting, which it sounds like he is not.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Last edited Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:22 PM - Edit history (5)
Source: https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/ocasio-cortez-worries-joe-crowley-third-party-run/index.html
To Mr. Liptons chagrin, his campaign declined; Mr. Crowley will remain on the ballot in November. Youd think that given the moment were in, said Mr. Lipton, that Democratic leaders would want to help progressive forces to unite.
Source:https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-primary-third-parties.html
Though Ms. Ocasio-Cortez defeated Joseph Crowley, a leading House Democrat, in a congressional primary that sent shock waves through the party, Mr. Crowleys name will almost certainly appear on the ballot in November under a third-party line. Thats thanks to a quirk in New York States election laws, an embarrassingly retrograde system that protects incumbents by confusing voters and suppressing turnout.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/opinion/editorials/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-crowley.html
"It is disappointing that Crowley has refused to vacate the Working Families Party ballot line. He chose not to show Ocasio-Cortez and the WFP respect by allowing us to put Ocasio-Cortez on our ballot line," Lipton said in a statement to The Hill.
"WFP is giving all we have to electing Ocasio-Cortez and other progressive insurgents all across the nation," he added. "The only remaining way for Crowley to do the right thing is to switch his residency to Virginia, where his family resides and his children already go to school. It would fix the problem he created in an instant."
Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/396667-ocasio-cortez-accuses-defeated-dem-of-mounting-third-party-challenge
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)style Democrat and a party boss I have been told by those that live in his district.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)if he beats her a la Joe Lieberman or the seat flips to the Republican, it will fracture the party irreparably. The repercussions will be monumental.
radius777
(3,624 posts)means you decry, namely low turnout primaries in the middle of summer when nobody cares about politics aside from activists.
If she faced a higher turnout primary it is very likely she would've lost.
If Crowley somehow wins the GE on the third party ticket without even campaigning it would be because a large pool of Dem voters decided to reject her.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)How dare he?
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)"It is disappointing that Crowley has refused to vacate the Working Families Party ballot line. He chose not to show Ocasio-Cortez and the WFP respect by allowing us to put Ocasio-Cortez on our ballot line," Lipton said in a statement to The Hill.
"WFP is giving all we have to electing Ocasio-Cortez and other progressive insurgents all across the nation," he added. "The only remaining way for Crowley to do the right thing is to switch his residency to Virginia, where his family resides and his children already go to school. It would fix the problem he created in an instant."
Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/396667-ocasio-cortez-accuses-defeated-dem-of-mounting-third-party-challenge
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)NY_20th
(1,028 posts)How would you like it if someone told you to move your residency?
She can fix this in an instance by returning his phone call and stop being a party divider.
leftstreet
(36,078 posts)But now he's running as a third party candidate?
Hmm...
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)scipan
(2,296 posts)Which he could, if I understand right, by entering another race (like dog catcher or such). The WFP has asked him to do this.
RandySF
(57,636 posts)He lost, moved on and forgot about the multiple third parties that will put the same people on the ballot. Same is true in many districts including a neighboring district where Cortez was on the Reform Party line. But were going to ignore that, arent we?
Our Revolution types and their allies never cease to amaze me in the ways they take a nothing and turn it into a threat against We The People.
scipan
(2,296 posts)I thought we all wanted to be united against the repubs.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)So having been repeatedly reminded the next excuse will be my dog ate the letter?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)emulatorloo
(43,982 posts)scipan
(2,296 posts)He has to enter another race, such as dog catcher, then he can be removed. So far he is refusing. Why is he refusing?
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)since the WFP gained a line on the ballot.
Crowley is willing to endorse and campaign for Ocasio Cortez. She needs to pick up the phone, work this out, and stop taking advice from whoever is advising her on this issue.
scipan
(2,296 posts)She says it was set up 3x and he didn't show each time.
But he should just take his name off the ballot as the WFP nominee (by running for another low level office per the rules). As long as he refuses to do that, nobody can honestly say that he is behind her. Fer chrissakes, he's running against her.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)She's missed the call for whatever reason.
He can't just take his name off of the ballot.
She needs to reach out to him and stop this twitter nonsense.
He will endorse her and help get her elected. She's getting very bad advice.
He's not running against her. This is the problem with the WFP endorsements. It affects more than just NY-14.
WFP needs to get their stuff together and work more closely with the Democratic Party or this crap will keep happening again, and again.
scipan
(2,296 posts)if not being on the ballot, for the same position Rep NY-14, in November?
Yes, he can take his name off the ballot, by running for another position, say dog catcher in a heavily repub area, and yes, there are many positions that don't require residency (per the article I linked to).
She has tweeted that she set up a convo 3x and he never showed all 3x. He hasn't conceeded to her personally yet.
He needs to get himself off the ballot. It's not hard, there's no election fraud. He's just making excuses.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)The easiest solution would be for Ocasio Cortez to contact Joe and work towards unity as opposed to keeping up an ill advised war against him instead of the Republican Party.
George II
(67,782 posts)...to try, she's the candidate.
This is like a couple of weeks ago when she was blaming Gilibrand (again, on twitter) for not talking to her before Gilibrand endorsed Crowley. It's the job of the candidate to contact potential endorsers.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)Response to scipan (Reply #133)
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lapucelle
(18,039 posts)and communications director for Justice Democrats is also serving as AOC's spokesman. He might be the best person to ask about the missed phone calls.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/12/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-crowley-twitter-feud-714983?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true
And if journalists interview Mr. Trent they may want to ask him why Brand New Congress is running a former Republican, relatively recently minted independent against the Democratic candidate for Congress in Tennessee's 2nd district.
https://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/marc-whitmire/
BeyondGeography
(39,284 posts)I'd throw a punch too.
Link to tweet
?s=21
BeyondGeography
(39,284 posts)OK...ffs. What is he, a potentate? Get her number and call if you're really sincere about shutting this saga down.
mcar
(42,210 posts)Seems like AOC is being petty here and just trying to drum up publicity negative to Democrats.
Cha
(295,914 posts)I dont plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope Gods will is that I dont die, and wont commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesnt live, Crowley tweeted.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp
RSF https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859314
I wonder why AOC is making such an issue out of this. Crowley has endorsed her and given her full support. This is not very gracious of her.
Cha
(295,914 posts)why would be throwing pot shots at Joe Crowley?
scipan
(2,296 posts)to take him off the ballot as a 3rd party candidate running against her.
I thought we were supposed to be united against the repubs? Why won't he take his name off the ballot? There is no ethical issue here.
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)Ocasio Cortez needs to return one of his phone calls, and discuss how they will campaign together this fall.
That's a lot easier than Crowley having to move or change his voter registration.
Joe is a solid Democrat who has always been helpful in getting Democrats elected. He will be helpful in this election, too.
scipan
(2,296 posts)Of course he will siphon votes away from her if he doesn't. I think a 'solid Democrat' would bow to the will of the dems who nominated her over him.
Cha
(295,914 posts)I dont plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope Gods will is that I dont die, and wont commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesnt live, Crowley tweeted.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp
RSF https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859314
scipan
(2,296 posts)turn on your inner skeptic.
Besides, that's not election fraud by any stretch. And from the article I linked above:
There are no residency requirements, however, for some offices, and election lawyers say Mr. Crowley could put his name in nomination for any number of positions.
Also, see Jim Lane's post.
Cha
(295,914 posts)needs to take it down a few notches.
Cynthia Nixon will also appear on the NYS Gubernatorial ballot
That's how it goes in New York State.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859610
scipan
(2,296 posts)1) he never conceded.
2) her campaign set up a call 3x, and 3x he never showed.
3) he's still on the ballot for November, running against her. He could easily fix this by either changing his address (he's actually living in Virginia), or running for some other position (apparently done a lot in NY).
I don't trust him, based on his actions.
Cha
(295,914 posts)Link to tweet
US Rep. Joe Crowley concedes to newcomer in NY Democratic primary
snip//
"It's not about me," Crowley told his supporters at a campaign party following his loss. "It's about America. I want nothing but the best for Ms. Ocasio-Cortez. I want her to be victorious."
He later played guitar with a band at the election night gathering and dedicated the first song, Bruce Springsteen's "Born to Run," to Ocasio-Cortez.
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2018/0627/US-Rep.-Joe-Crowley-concedes-to-newcomer-in-NY-Democratic-primary
AOC concedes she "made a mistake".
herding cats
(19,549 posts)He conceded the night of the election.
It sounds like staff may be dropping the scheduling ball.
It's not like he can simply withdraw his name from the ballot. What he can do is endorse her (he has) and help her get elected. The latter is up to her now.
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If she's smart here, she'll say her outburst was a mistake and make time for a public appearance ASAP with Crowley. Assuming he'll agree now, she was pretty rude to him. His people are about to be her people and her future depends on not alienating them.
Her constituency know the byzantine election laws there and they're not going to buy this wholesale the way random people on the internet without their local knowledge will.
I'm going to point out, those random people on the internet are not who she needs to be pandering to here. They're not who she's hoping to represent next January. Her 15,897 votes came from the people in her district. If she wants to expand on that number, she better get back to them. The primary is over. With it (since she's in a safe Democratic district) the time for grandstanding, drama and attention seeking has ended. Now she should be connecting with her voters and future voters and bringing them all home. Angering the supporters of her previous Democratic opponent isn't how you do that. Even in a safe district that's a terrible strategy.
Now is when she has to begin proving who she really is to her voters, and potential future voters, by showing she's not a bunch of empty rhetoric. This was a rookie mistake. There's a learning curve, but she has time to figure it all out if she can temper her emotions.
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)I thought so too, but lies, attacks against the party and dirty shenanigans to provoke drama to increase the money grab is what's happening here on twitter. Why is this deeply unethical crap being done by the new star of the party?
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)but this stunt is ticking me off.
scipan
(2,296 posts)What deeply unethical crap?
Crowley is the only one who thinks that putting his name in for another position is unethical. I certainly don't.
As far as 'dirty shenanigans' and 'drama', I think you are seeing things that aren't there (but maybe you want them to be).
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)Asking him to compete against a fellow Democrat in Montgomery County for County Clerk, is asinine.
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)has dropped off and she's trying to get back in the spotlight by smearing her former opponent. Either that or she isn't very well informed on how NY elections work.
mcar
(42,210 posts)She's not helping herself with Democrats.
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)the Our Revolution crew.
kcr
(15,300 posts)More people are aware he's on the ballot now. Good job!
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)how NY elections work when she won, as evidenced by her many public appearances where she discussed in detail the idiosyncrasies of how her district operated. I bet your hunch is right -- especially with those she said she had to consult first.
Cha
(295,914 posts)mcar
(42,210 posts)Whatever, it backfired.
Not an auspicious start.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)When one does not know the meaning of the words they use.
The things Twitter does to people.....
Calling a solid Democrat a "potentate" is really bad form.
BeyondGeography
(39,284 posts)Find a new hobby.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Have we conversed a lot over the last year?
I'm good doing what I'm doing.
I love photography and don't plan on changing a thing.
Potentate
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)The poster did not say "Crowley is a potentate" they asked "what is he, a potentate?" I appears you do know a thing or two about bad form though.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)'The poster did not say "Crowley is a potentate" they asked "what is he, a potentate?"'
If one knows the meaning of the word they would never ask such a question. My wording was spot on.
I guess there is another argument that could be made for someone using potentate in that manner.
Really unflattering if you are saying it was used correctly in the grammatical sense. There is zero thought behind using its actual meaning in that sentence.
You think it is correct, off of someone else's Tweet, to question if he is a monarch or ruler, especially an autocratic one?
Wow. I want to do a Q&A with you sometime.
Putting a question mark behind something on a discussion board doesn't lend itself toward plausable deniability like you believe.
Let me hear you make even the beginning of a case that he is a monarch or ruler, especially an autocratic one.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)People say things all the time for example "does he think he's a brain surgeon?" or "does she think she is a princess?" do you think they really mean to question if someone is a brain surgeon or a princess, or are they using hyperbole to make a point? I've made mine and it appears you just have to have to last word. There will never be a Q&A with you, I do not debate with...... fill in the blank as you are so SMART.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You are saying their intent was to use hyperbole to attack a solid Democrat. Great argument you are making for someone else.
Your explanation for them is even less flattering. Think you should have left them to back up their own work, if they wish to do so.
"a competent individual." Glad I could meet your request.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)Let's move forward.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I am an Ocasio supporter.
You are the one making the case that it is proper to employ hyperbole to attack solid Democrats who just lost their election. Really poor form.
I do agree with you. Ocassio should move forward and not do things like this.
Well said Chubby.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)My horse ChubbyStar thanks you too!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Cha
(295,914 posts)out on "potentate" .. I had to go look it up.
Thanks for doing that.. Keep up the good work NCTraveler.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It was only posed as a question!
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Look like an idiot?
brer cat
(24,401 posts)but you are finding fault because he responded in the same media? Lots of stretching going on to find something to complain about.
BeyondGeography
(39,284 posts)If he didn't want to fan any flames, he'd call instead of tweeting, and then she could follow up with a "Joe is a great guy tweet," and we'd all live happily ever after.
brer cat
(24,401 posts)SHE started this with a tweet. If SHE didn't want to fan any flames, she'd have called instead of tweeting.
Cha
(295,914 posts)over Nothing.
I dont plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope Gods will is that I dont die, and wont commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesnt live, Crowley tweeted.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp
RSF https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859314
Ninsianna
(1,349 posts)Cha
(295,914 posts)That he was already on the Working Families Ballot?
What I read on that other thread.. right?
Link to tweet
?s=21
Cha
(295,914 posts)This is petty nonsense. She won. She needs to be campaigning against Republicans.
Cha
(295,914 posts)lapucelle
(18,039 posts)In Mr. Crowleys case, vacating the line is not that simple. The Working Families Party must go through a convoluted legal maneuver, essentially nominating the unwanted primary winner for another electoral position on the ballot often one that he or she has little chance of winning, like a county clerkship in a region of the state dominated by the other party.
I'm not sure what AOC's team expects Crowley to do at this point, other than falling on his sword by allowing his name to be put on the ballot for a lesser office in an outside region for an election that he will certainly lose.
Cha
(295,914 posts)I don't know what she wants Joe Crowley to do, either.. but she sure flew off the handle over nothing.
Link to tweet
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)R B Garr
(16,920 posts)phrases she parroted early on.
vi5
(13,305 posts)....then why WOULDN'T he just have them put his name on the ballot for one that won't confuse Democratic voters or stand the chance of draining votes from the person who actually won the Democratic primary?
Unless he thinks there's a chance he won't lose if his name is on the Working Families Party.
RandySF
(57,636 posts)Its not so simple
lapucelle
(18,039 posts)Given the press's fondness for spinning narratives, losing a lesser-office election after having lost the primary might be fatal to any future chances.
That statement sounds unequivocal to me.
RandySF
(57,636 posts)You need to commit a crime or move. Thats why Cortez cannot take herself off the Reform Party line in another district.
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)He could run for a different office and that would vacate his spot on a he WPP ticket. It is a simple maneuver, and has been used in the past for similar situations.
The party wanted to put her on its line in November, and had asked Mr. Crowley to vacate the line by running for another office that he had no intention of occupying and little chance of winning, whether a county clerkship or state legislative post. But Mr. Lipton said the Crowley campaign declined to work with them on the maneuver.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-crowley-twitter.html
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)the democratic primary. He won their primary, so his name stayed up. Cortez' people should get in touch with his office, maybe a couple campaign effects with the two of them side by side with him supporting her will clear up the situation.
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)Cha
(295,914 posts)I dont plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope Gods will is that I dont die, and wont commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesnt live, Crowley tweeted.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp
RSF https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859314
lapucelle
(18,039 posts)Joe Crowley has been remarkably gracious since his defeat. If his only options are to die, to move away, to hammer the final in the coffin of any chance at elected office in the future, or to make it clear that he is not running for Congress and supports the Democratic nominee in NY-14, I'm glad that he's chosen the last option.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)Seriously what kind of piece of work do you have to be to bash other Democrats over an obscure ass rule that puts them on the ballot?
They want this guy to move out of his home state for the past 20+ years and move to VA so he gets removed from the ballot. They actually think this is a totally reasonable request. This is pure ass bullshit cronyism.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)running.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Skidmore
(37,364 posts)If she wants to prove her mettle, she should focus on her own campaign for fall. He's not the candidate.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)Democrat vs. Republican. It is a very recognizable tactic.
Renew Deal
(81,801 posts)Why is that?
lapucelle
(18,039 posts)Cha
(295,914 posts)Do you have a link, please?
Mahalo
lapucelle
(18,039 posts)Cha
(295,914 posts)JI7
(89,177 posts)Wanted to play the whole system is rigged shit.
brush
(53,474 posts)vi5
(13,305 posts)I mean that has the potential to drain votes from the actual Democratic nominee and to confuse voters.
I'm sure they will do everything in their power to prevent this from happening because their goal is to support the Democratic nominee and do everything in their power to insure that the Democratic nominee wins.
RandySF
(57,636 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,878 posts)declined the nom. Jeez.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)NY_20th
(1,028 posts)Cynthia Nixon will appear under the WFP line even if she loses the primary.
To complicate things even more, another Democrat, Stephanie Miner, will be running on the Serve America Movement line.
Then of course there is our perennial favorite Jimmy McMullen on The Rent Is To Damn High line, among others who will appear on the ballot.
I don't blame AOC for being concerned though. Crowley could conceivably win the November election if voters from his district choose him on the WFP line over AOC on the Democratic line.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)RandySF
(57,636 posts)A candidate may be nominated by military third parties without their prior knowledge. Candidates who lose their major party primaries dont think to have their names removed and I imagine the same goes for Crowley. Cortez never acknowledged her write-in nomination for the Reform Party in a neighboring districts.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)and he refused.
H2O Man
(73,323 posts)And the WFP never puts up a candidate without their knowledge and approval.
By law, the only way a candidate can get off a line is to move out of New York, die, be convicted of a crime or accept a nomination for another office.
I dont plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope Gods will is that I dont die, and wont commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesnt live, Crowley tweeted.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp
Cha
(295,914 posts)to know this.. so they'll just be pissed at JC. Thanks, RSF.. I'll pass this on if needed.
I dont plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope Gods will is that I dont die, and wont commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesnt live, Crowley tweeted.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp
RandySF
(57,636 posts)Cha
(295,914 posts)I have someone in mind to post it to right now.. Thanks!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
kcr
(15,300 posts)He did not mount a 3rd party challenge. She is a piece of work.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)RandySF
(57,636 posts)The party still cant take his name off unless he dies, moves or commits a crime. You want Crowley to lie or die to make her happy?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)other then the ones which Crowley defined, he just refuses to do so.
RandySF
(57,636 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)RandySF
(57,636 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)H2O Man
(73,323 posts)He can read it, as knowing what one is talking about provides distinct advantages over spouting off about something one knows nothing about.
Thank you.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Per the Daily News article:
kcr
(15,300 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)kcr
(15,300 posts)It explains that this is a quirk of NY law. Her tweet was obviously a smear against Crowley when you learn the facts. Not a good look for Ocasio-Cortez.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)To Mr. Liptons chagrin, his campaign declined; Mr. Crowley will remain on the ballot in November.
And
kcr
(15,300 posts)She's a nutjob.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But it sounds like Crowley is playing games here. He should do whatever it takes to get off the ballot and turn that slot over to her. Splitting the vote will only help the GOP.
kcr
(15,300 posts)No one is smearing any other candidate that the very same thing will happen to, nor have they smeared them in the past. This is utter bullshit. She is either very naive or she went to the Karl Rove school of politics. Either way, it doesn't look good.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)He's playing games. He's pretending that he can't take his name off the ballot but there are ways that he can. The Working Families party asked him to and they were rebuffed. Are they smearing him to?
kcr
(15,300 posts)He can't simply be taken off the ballot. They would have to nominate him for another position. It isn't "playing games" to refuse to agree to such sham workarounds. The obvious solution would be to get rid of this ridiculous law, but until then parties will have to live with the fact that whoever they nominate will stay on the ballot. There is no mounting of a third party challenge here. That is a lie.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)But a viable option to ensure that the votes aren't split in November.
kcr
(15,300 posts)What is so hard?
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Is that so hard?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)your arguments completely.
I've read everything you wrote and everything RandySF has written. Both of you have provided links. RandySF's take and evidence makes more sense based on the fact that Crowley isn't campaigning.
That's not someone who is running. If he was mounting a 3rd party run, he would have a ton of work to do to even have a shot. He's not doing that work.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)He's should do whatever he has to to ensure the votes aren't split in November. This election is too important.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Again, based on the evidence. He's not running.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)The links I showed were from the NY Times article. So you're saying that the NY Times article doesn't make sense.
And what links of Randy's are you referring to? Scanning the thread, I can't find that he provided any.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Well, he doesnt seem to be mounting any kind of a campaign yet but he might
No. Just no.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)You said Randy has better links? Where are they?
And if Crowley is not planning anything why has he refused the Working Families party's request to take his name off the ballot?
H2O Man
(73,323 posts)Cha
(295,914 posts)That's how it goes in New York State.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10859610
Cha
(295,914 posts)SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)state election law then she's really not going to get far in Washington.
Crowley would probably have an outright to close win with a high turnout election in his district (in 2016 170k voted in the general, 147k for him while only 27k voted in the primary) so I really don't see why her campaign is being as acidic when he feasibly holds a lot of power her. A Crowley 3rd party bid would be a disaster for her. Might be best not to blow this story up more than it has. A divide along lines similar to the last primary would be devasting.
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Blue_true
(31,261 posts)She took on a second job bar tending to help her mom avoid losing the mom's home to foreclosure after her dad died of cancer. Her day job is teaching in early childhood education and she moonlighted as a community organizer.
KCDebbie
(664 posts)Giving an inflammatory response to a made-up situation.
Prolly someone posing as a reporter or supporter told her that Crowley was mounting a third party candidacy just to get her angry response and start some $#!t and Alexandria FELL for it!
OnDoutside
(19,908 posts)quickly apologise and move on. She's embarrassed herself on this one.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)In Mr. Crowleys case, vacating the line is not that simple. The Working Families Party must go through a convoluted legal maneuver, essentially nominating the unwanted primary winner for another electoral position on the ballot often one that he or she has little chance of winning, like a county clerkship in a region of the state dominated by the other party.
Squinch
(50,774 posts)reputation on this kind of nonsense.
Nanjeanne
(4,878 posts)It's Joe LIEberman all over again - an establishment Democrat unable to it seems to support the progressive Democrat with strong union backing - so she becomes a spoiler and risks losing seat to Republican. [link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/md-politics/nancy-floreen-to-run-for-montgomery-county-executive-as-an-independent/2018/07/11/68b37ff8-8506-11e8-8f6c-46cb43e3f306_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0f66f6f1e7bf|
So sorry. So sorry - I'm a supportor of Ocasio-Cortez and think Cowley should do what he can to vacate the WFP line.
RandySF
(57,636 posts)If he dies, moves or gets convicted of a crime. Why does no one call on Cortex to get her name off the Reform Party line in a neighboring district?
Nanjeanne
(4,878 posts)name. She wasn't on the ballot. People wrote her name in and she won. She declined the nomination and said she was running as a Democrat in her district.
To Mr. Lipton's chagrin, his campaign declined;
http://theweek.com/speedreads/784415/alexandria-ocasiocortez-accuses-defeated-democratic-primary-opponent-stubbornly-running-thirdparty-challenge-against
RandySF
(57,636 posts)I dont plan on moving out of New York, have a clean record, hope Gods will is that I dont die, and wont commit what I honestly believe to be election fraud by accepting a nomination for another office in a place he doesnt live, Crowley tweeted.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-ocasio-cortez-crowley-working-families-party-20180712-story.html%3foutputType=amp
2. It doesnt matter that her name was written in. She will appear on the November ballot under the Reform Party in another district.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/11/nyregion/ocasio-cortez-primary-third-parties.html
Nanjeanne
(4,878 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)anti-Ocasio-Cortez/pro-Crowley group who are making excuses for him and blaming her.
Cha
(295,914 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)This is Democratic Underground. We should be supporting the Democratic nominee chosen by Democratic voters, not making excuses for someone whos running on a third party with the potential to split the vote in November.
Cha
(295,914 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Not bashing her and defending a third party candidate based on an anonymous unverified tweet.
Cha
(295,914 posts)lapucelle
(18,039 posts)winner in Tennessee's 2nd congressional district August primary. Brand New Congress is running a former Republican/independent in the November GE.
https://brandnewcongress.org/faqs/marc-whitmire/
In addition, her spokesman Corbin Trent needs to start honing the message.
Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization [Brand New Congress] has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and were thankful that theyve set up an infrastructure thats going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party hasa long time agostopped representing the needs of the American people.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/20341/brand-new-congress-progressives-republican-party-democrat
Vinca
(50,170 posts)A third party challenge is why we have Trump in the White House. In Maine, the Democratic loser for governor in the primary ran a third party race and that's why they have crazy Paul LePage in office. When Dems pout and run anyway, they give the election to the Republicans.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)events, hes not raising money, and he endorsed Ocasio yet again on Twitter today and reiterated that he isnt running and that she won.
He is as much in the race as you or I.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)That means getting out of the way and accepting the switch of office the Working Families Party has suggested he legally do.
As disgusting as they are,the Republicans always win elections because they stand together.
We must stick together and WIN.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)mounting a 3rd party run and hoped to have any shot or any effect on the race, he would have a ton of work to do and it would be obvious.
He's not doing that. This makes it clear he isn't running and therefore it adds much more weight to his arguments that he cannot legally get off the ballot. The method that Working Families has given him involves claiming he is running in a race to which he is not running. There is another word for that, "Election Fraud"
kcr
(15,300 posts)They'd find another way to shit on him. They're unhinged.
Tarc
(10,472 posts)joshcryer
(62,265 posts)What the ever living fuck.
Nero Mero
(52 posts)I cannot find any statement by Crowley saying that he will run for a third party or as an independent.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)make sense at all.
He isn't campaigning AT ALL. Not even a little bit. There are no workers on his behalf doing ANYTHING.
That's not someone who is mounting a 3rd party run.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)They just "want him gone" as the kids say these days.
It's highly unlikely he'd harm her vote.
As long as she continues to be abrasive toward him I don't think he has to do a damn thing.
radius777
(3,624 posts)as the only way to vacate the line is the 'fake run' for another office, ie by moving to another district and running for an office he's likely to lose.
NYS law is the issue, not Crowley, who isn't doing anything wrong.
Ocasio-Cortez is a democratic socialist Berniecrat and a newcomer, yet she wants to try to push around a loyal long time Democrat who suffered a humiliating defeat and graciously deal with it.
And it's a strong blue district, so I don't know what she's going on about.
I find it ironic that a Berniecrat is complaining about 'third party' challenges lol. "We must open up the Democratic party for all voices to have a say!" lol.
R B Garr
(16,920 posts)"third party" challenges. That's exactly right. The whole ethos of their short-lived organization is to challenge anyone anywhere, hence her challenge to a safe seat Democrat. It's absurd to now see how offended they are over virtually nothing.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)This is addressed to all posters, not specifically the OP:
What Working Families is asking Crowley to do is NOT ILLEGAL. Stop justifying your duplicity. It is merely a graceful way of avoiding siphoning votes from Ocasio-Cortez. Seeing what happened to Hillary, Crowley needs to avoid splitting the vote at all costs. As a good Democrat, Crowley needs to bow to the people's choice and do everything he can to support the DEMOCRAT the district chose to challenge the Republican.
If you were opposed to Sarandon and Stein actions in 2016 you can't be in favor of Crowley staying on the ballot to muddy the waters!
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)I can see why he doesn't do it...in such a deep blue district, she should be fine.
RandySF
(57,636 posts)Crowley had said in a debate on NY1 before the June 26 primary that he would back Ocasio-Cortez if she won.
Im willing to make the pledge tonight that if you win this primary and have the support of the people of the 14th Congressional District, that I will fully endorse, work for your, and vociferously and robustly work for your election to Congress, he said at the time.
Crowley asked Ocasio-Cortez to make a similar pledge, and she said she would have to consult her supporters before answering.
I represent not just my campaign, but a movement, she said at the debate. We govern ourselves democratically. So I would be happy to take that question to a vote and respond in the affirmative or however they respond.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/crowley-says-he-wont-run-against-ocasio-cortez-in-november
radius777
(3,624 posts)and Crowley who is a respected long-time member of Congress is not going to do that, especially in a strong blue district. Also he's not that old and can run for another office, it could hurt his future career plans.
The NYS law should be changed, it isn't Crowley's fault.
Why should he stick his neck out for her anyway, she's a Berniecrat who viciously demonized him.
She should just be happy he isn't really running 3rd party, because he would likely defeat her with a much larger voting pool.. she won mostly due to low turnout that is dominated by activists.
Meowmee
(5,164 posts)To wish he were running because she is coming off as a bit nuts to me now.
kcr
(15,300 posts)This is addressed to Ocasio-Cortez and everyone else who believes in her conspiracy theory about this make-believe 3rd party campaign that doesn't actually exist.
Cha
(295,914 posts)in getting us the Feckless Fraud in the Shite House.. what's to fucking like about that?
Here's PA's NUMBERS.. thanks to BumRushDaShow
(DEM)
47.85%
Votes: 2,926,441
Running mate: TIM KAINE
TRUMP, DONALD J
(REP)
48.58%
Votes: 2,970,733
Running mate: MICHAEL R PENCE
DIFFERENCE = 44,292 <---
THIRD PARTY
CASTLE, DARRELL L
(CON)
0.35%
Votes: 21,572
Running mate: SCOTT N BRADLEY
STEIN, JILL
(GRN)
0.82%
Votes: 49,941 <---
Running mate: AJAMU BARAKA
JOHNSON, GARY E
(LIB)
2.40%
Votes: 146,715
Running mate: WILLIAM WELD
TOTAL 3RD PARTY = 218,228
https://electionreturns.pa.gov/General/SummaryResults?ElectionID=54&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0
Here's Big Mouth Again.. I'm so sure M$$$$$M didn't give them all the airtime they could spew..
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)and I doubt they will ask the same of Cynthia Nixon if she loses the gubernatorial primary.
scipan
(2,296 posts)with running against AOC as a third party candidate, to be consistent when or if Bernie ever decides to run as an independent.
Although I doubt he would, since he could have done that in 2016 but didn't want to split the ticket.
Cha
(295,914 posts)NY_20th
(1,028 posts)WFP endorsed Bernie Sanders in the New York State primary.
Alexandria is creating a rift where there doesn't need to be.
If this is her strategy for winning the General Election, she is going to lose.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)from that.
That supports one particular narrative. And heres a hint, that narrative is not yours.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)I've read them all before commenting.
The citizens of this District NY-14 have chosen their Democrat to represent them in the general. All Democrats should get behind the Democratic candidate at the ballot box, minimum. To repeat a former comment I made, "I will vote for the Progressive candidate in the primary and the winner in the general.
I gave this pledge to defeat a party, the new Rumpublican party.
George II
(67,782 posts)....then Kirsten Gilibrand because she endorsed Crowley and was still talking about it after the Primary, and now this?
She seems to be making more enemies than friends. If she gets elected she's in for a shock when she gets to Washington.
PufPuf23
(8,688 posts)Ocasio-Cortez fairly beat Crowley in the Democratic primary.
Crowley as the loser of the primary but experienced Democratic party member should be helping Ocasio-Cortez in every way possible, avoiding any statements or actions that would divide the party in the general election. All Crowley needs to do is to clearly stand down and avoid any issues.
Ocasio-Crowley is starting to appear as a case where some Democrats can willfully harm her candidacy.