General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTrump Inserts Himself Into Brexit Debate, Criticizing Theresa May.
'President Trump on Thursday intervened directly in Britains fraught debate over withdrawal from the European Union, saying that Prime Minister Theresa Mays plans to keep close economic ties with the bloc could kill a possible trade deal with the United States.
In an interview with The Sun, Mr. Trump also said that Mrs. May had ignored his advice on negotiations over Britains departure, known as Brexit.
I would have done it much differently, Mr. Trump was quoted as saying. I actually told Theresa May how to do it, but she didnt listen to me. Instead she went the opposite way, and the results have been very unfortunate, he said.
Mr. Trump also said that Boris Johnson, a Brexit hard-liner who resigned from Mrs. Mays government this week, would make a great prime minister.'>>>
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/world/europe/trump-brexit-theresa-may.html?
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)malaise
(268,723 posts)I don't think it was a coincidence. He also wanted Another RW racist, Farage, as UK Ambassador to the US.
He does not give a flying fugg about sovereignty or protocol.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)resident idiot. He's probably not as dangerous, but he's an idiot still.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)May was a Brexit hardliner until the realities of a hard Brexit exit hit her in the face once she became PM. Johnson may boo her from the peanut gallery, but he won't step in as PM because Brexit will kill his career.
There were two Irish people here a couple of days ago posting about Brexit, what they posted was interesting about Paris getting most of the financial firms leaving Britain. I read a Reuthers article last night that pretty much confirmed what they wrote, a lot of banks and investment banks are locating staff to Paris, with smaller operations setting up in Germany.
Looks like the Brexit vote screwed Britain royally, it is now stuck in a corner of a shit cover room and there is no getting out without getting slathered with shit.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)But ten years from now, Britons will most likely look at the Brexit yes vote as the beginning of their decline.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)From the time she became PM:
Theresa May wasnt one of the most vocal figures of the debate, but she stuck to the government line: that Britain would be better off remaining part of the European Union. As a high level cabinet Minister (May was the longest serving Home Secretary for over a century), this is not surprising.
She warned UK voters that Brexit could have seriously damaging effects on the economy, the security, and even the current form of the United Kingdom.
Though often quiet during the campaign, May said that leaving the EU would be fatal for the Union with Scotland, as the Scottish National Party (SNP) would most likely try again for independence if Scotland voted to remain while the UK as a whole voted to leave.
http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/12/what-is-theresa-may-s-view-on-brexit
Johnson was the most influential journalist in building up anti-EU feeling, before he got elected, and has used Brexit as central to his attempt to become PM.
I observed his methods when I was posted as a journalist to Brussels in 1992. One day he wrote a story claiming that Jacques Delors spokesman was so well-paid (as all of these incompetent Eurocrats, of course, had to be in Johnsons narrative), that he lived in an immense chateau on the outskirts of Brussels. This was vehemently denied at a press briefing, to the hilarity of Johnson.
The story arguably had a grain of truth: Bruno Dethomas, the spokesman, lived in a large 19th-century house that had a turret on the outside, an architectural folly typical of the period in which it was built. You see, its a castle! Johnson laughed when I challenged him on the accuracy of his reporting.
Johnson can scarcely have believed what he himself wrote, but he kept churning it out. It was a game, a big laugh, especially as his fiercely anti-European newspaper lapped up these stories and gasped for more.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/15/brexit-boris-johnson-euromyths-telegraph-brussels
It was rich in what Whitehall describes as optimism bias, an estimate for a projects costs, benefits and duration [made] in the absence of robust primary evidence. It was a Valentines Day card to himself and his ambition to be the next Tory leader, an ambition he betrayed with his incoherent answer to a question about whether he would rule out resigning this year.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/14/the-guardian-view-of-boris-johnsons-brexit-vision-all-about-me
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Do you think Johnson will do any better? I don't because the issues with a hard Brexit seem large. It seems Johnson taking the helm would accelerate companies downsizing in Britain to upsize on the continent. Do you agree or disagree?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)though he's not 'ignorant' in the way that Trump is - he can write eloquently when he wants to, and can learn and remember facts. But he has a massive ego and ambition, and a sense of entitlement. Foreign Secretary was a really bad post for him, but PM would be worse. He'd pass muster as a press secretary, but that's about it.
Johnson has already said, literally, 'fuck business' about Brexit, so you're right, he would get companies to leave Britain faster.
PA Democrat
(13,225 posts)of the orange buffoon.
no_hypocrisy
(46,038 posts)Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)Moral of the story - don't even bother trying to impress him.