NY-14: Working Families Party asked Crowley to run against another Democrat to get off ballot

[RandySF]

A Crowley campaign aide told Roll Call on Thursday that the only ways to remove one’s name from the general election ballot are if the candidate dies, moves out of the state, is convicted of a crime or runs on the same party line for a different office.

The Working Families Party encouraged Crowley to run on its line for Montgomery County clerk in upstate New York, the aide said. Crowley does not intend to do so. A Democrat is also running for that office.

“Joe Crowley truly feels it is unethical to run for an office you don’t plan on serving in, in a place you do not live,” the aide said.



https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/crowley-says-he-wont-run-against-ocasio-cortez-in-november

[Cha]

1. Is WPF asking Cynthia Nixon to run in a different race to

get her name off the ballot in November?

Why did they put Joe Crowley's name under their banner in the first place.

I see they're in Delaware running attack ads against Senator Tom Carper.

[joshcryer]

2. Katie Wilson put her name in for state legislature.

After the WFP switched up one of their other people to run for a judge seat.

But yeah shuffling Crowely into another Democrats seat is not going to work. They need to find an open seat. In his district.

[Cha]

3. Thanks, Josh

[NY_20th]

6. Yeah, but Katie Wilson in NY 21 is not at all comparable to

the Joe Crowley or Cynthia Nixon situations.

[joshcryer]

7. Oh yes, I know.

[Voltaire2]

25. lulzd.

The governor primary is September 13. So what exactly is your point?

[Demsrule86]

29. If we lose the Deleware seat as a result of this nonsense...I would give money to a primary

challenger in two years...for Ms. Cortez's seat. She has no business meddling in Delaware. And she is in is a deep blue district.

[Cha]

33. There's this, too.. I don't know if you've seen it..

Link to tweet

[LisaM]

76. You know, I couldn't put my finger on it, but there was something about her I disliked.

She had better apologize.

[Cha]

106. I knew exactly why.. the way

she responded to Senator Tammy Duckworth on twitter with refighting the primaries.

Not smart.

[AtomicKitten]

137. She's campaigning for Justice Democrats.

Which she has every right to do in the primary cycle.

https://www.justicedemocrats.com/issues/

[Blue_true]

56. Hi Cha.

There are going to be inter-party primaries on occasion, sometimes we are for the insurgent, sometimes we are not. Like you, I hope Carper wins big in Delaware. But, BOTH of us are supporting an insurgent, against Tulsi Gabbard in Hi, your state. Some may accuse us of hyprocracy in that, I don't think it is. If the Hawaii primary challenge is ok, so is the one in Delaware, I just hope the candidate that I favor pull through.

[Jim Lane]

68. You make a good point about hypocrisy.

I personally favored the challenger against Crowley but I favor the incumbent, Gabbard, in her race. That's not inconsistent. I also don't see it as inconsistent or hypocritical for someone to disagree with me on one or both of those primaries.

The hypocrisy comes in when people make a big deal about how horrible it is to waste any time and energy and money on a primary challenge to an incumbent Democrat, when the challenge comes from a progressive who's clearly to the left of the incumbent, but then those same people fall silent when the challenge is against one of the few incumbents who endorsed Bernie Sanders. That combination of positions makes it clear that the purported blanket denunciation of challenges is just pretextual.

[Blue_true]

103. I don't think Gabbard is being primaried because she endorsed Bernie.

A number of her actions have been very inconsistent with the Left-Center tilt of the Democratic Party, and it appears that she did a poor job of working on some key constituent issues at home. I for one support her challenger and now feel that the challenger may have the upper hand going into next month's primary. BTW, I was fully behind Crowley, but am now fully behind Cortez. Cortez is young and will make mistakes, but I see what looks like real future leadership potential in her. If Gabbard prevails next month, I will get behind her.

[Jim Lane]

108. I'm not addressing the motivation of her challenger.

I'm referring to DU members who are generally quite vocal about a supposedly universal principle of not primarying incumbents, but who do not apply that principle here.

Two years ago, Gabbard also had a challenger. There were enthusiastic posts on DU, including links for donating to the challenger. There was a marked correlation between the intensity of support for Gabbard's challenger in those threads and the intensity of hostility to Bernie Sanders in other threads.

I know very little about this year's challenger. For all I know, she may very well have been motivated entirely by considerations of the type you list. I have no reason to believe that she has opined that incumbent Democrats should never be primaried -- in fact, I'll hazard a guess that she has not said that.

[Blue_true]

109. The challenger is a VERY progressive, longtime democrat.

She has real bonafides. I haven't seen hostility to Bernie, I have seen people call into question some of his recent statements and actions.

Some people want Bernie to join the Democratic Party if he wants to change it, and run under it's banner. He certainly has some influence over some democrats.

The general issues with Our Revolution that many seem to have is one candidate parachuted into a Texas US House race in a district that she had put down. The other issue that I saw was in the California primary, a lot of people were entering races who maybe should not have, the concern was that would send two republicans to the General because Dems would split their vote all over the place.

The House race in Hawaii is somewhat special, the challenger IS a proven progressive who is running against someone who has shown questionable decisionmaking when it comes to the broad range of progressive issues. Given that, my belief is that a progressive should be behind the challenger.

[Jim Lane]

115. Oh, you "haven't seen hostility to Bernie"? All I can say is that I have. (n/t)

[Blue_true]

121. Then, we agree to disagree. nt

[aidbo]

131. Hahahahahahaha

‘Haven’t seen hostility to Bernie here’!?

Hahahahahahaha

[Cha]

105. I think it's different.. tulsi won't even debate she's

so ashamed of her record.

I bet Tom Carper will debate his primary challenger.

Besides Sherry Campagna is not an "insurgent" she's not with OR.. she's running to replace someone who supports Assad in Syria and bashed President Obama on fox sux for years.

[Blue_true]

107. I don't equate insurgent with Our Revolution.

Insurgents in politics have fresh new ideas and energy, OR has none of that.

[Cha]

4. "Furthermore, the staffer says that Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez's campaign, called..

Link to tweet

[joshcryer]

8. Looks like we'll be getting a Bernie-esque apology in the morning.

Remember? How Bernie was literally apologizing every fucking week thanks to Jeff Weavers manipulations and bullshit? Calling Clinton unqualified, bashing Planned Parenthood, etc, etc.

[Cha]

10. She needs to apologize and admit her mistke publicly

Wonder if that will happen?

Oh yeah, I'll never forget.

[joshcryer]

11. Well I hope she's woman enough to apologize.

This is a clusterfuck.

[kcr]

12. I'll be shocked if she apologizes

I don't think it was a mistake.

[NY_20th]

9. She absolutely should reach out to him and apologize.

I'm not sure who is advising her on this situation but they are not helping her.

It's making her appear to be more at war with the Democratic Party than the Republican Party and that's not good.

[DURHAM D]

14. Susan Sarandon

[NY_20th]

15. Susan "Trump Enabler" Sarandon strikes again.

Ocasio Cortez needs to find actual peers in her district. This is such an unnecessary mess.

[Demsrule86]

30. How many seats are despicable people like Sarandon and the OR organization going to cost us?

We need to take the House. Don't run attack ads against a Democratic opponent...should not be a primary in Delaware anyway. It is not a deep blue district.

[LisaM]

78. Maybe she is.

A lot of people on the so-called left seem to have bigger issues with the Democrats than with the Republicans. Jill Stein never ran against Trump. She ran against Hillary. Ralph Nader famously said that Bush and Gore were so alike that there wasn't a dime's worth of difference. I'm not going to comment openly on the 2016 election, but Hillary was treated as a bigger enemy than Trump by a lot of people.

When are we going to wake up and call these people out?

[grantcart]

73. "I am very young so it doesn't matter" in 5 4 3 2 1

[NY_20th]

5. This is getting ridiculous.

They are now asking for Joe Crowley to run against a Democrat for Montgomery County Clerk?

I've been impressed by Ocasio Cortez, but this is complete bullshit. Why don't they pick up the phone and mend some fences here.

[Initech]

13. We had the best president ever.

And not only did this country throw him away, they treated him like shit and they're trying to make sure we don't exist. It's a fucking travesty. I agree, fences need to be mended here.

[NY_20th]

17. Yup.

And some are still enabling this bullshit.

It's frustrating as hell.

[JI7]

16. she is worried he will beat her in the GE

[NY_20th]

18. If this is going to be her strategy, Crowley might just win.

I like Ocasio Cortez, a lot. She's been impressive, and refreshing in articulating her goals.

She was also handed a tremendous chance to be a voice of unity.

Yet she's throwing that all away in her strategy to voice her opposition towards Democrats instead of Republicans.

She's running in a Hillary Clinton district. This is a grave mistake on her part. Democrats know that the enemy is the Republicans, not the Democrats. Joe Crowley is a terrific Democrat. Democrats are not in the mood for more divisive nonsense.

She needs to pick up the phone, call Crowley, and stop this non controversy.

[joshcryer]

19. Yes. She is worried if she can't show in the debates...

...or if she tanks in the polls due to a long shot controversy, he will have a second shot.

[Demsrule86]

32. And he might...there were very few voters in the primary...and I have to wonder how people in her

district feel about some of her statemenst and her actions. She should be concentrating on her election.

[Voltaire2]

70. No. The concern is that a Republican will win

a safe Democratic seat.

[AtomicKitten]

138. It's a narrow track for Crowley to stay in which he refuses to relinquish.

And as you say puts in jeopardy an otherwise safe Democratic seat.

[Voltaire2]

144. It is probably not going to matter, but it could.

Given the importance of this election, nothing should be left to chance.

[Trumpocalypse]

20. So Crowley IS running for Congress

against the Democratic Party nominee and does intend to serve.

[RandySF]

21. No

[Trumpocalypse]

22. If he feels it is unethical to run for an office he doesn't intend to serve in

then he should get off the congressional ballot. Staying on it means he is running and does intend to serve. Sorry but you can’t have it both ways.

[RandySF]

23. We've gone round and round this

It’s on you if you choose to ignore the facts. You’re in troll territory at this point.

[Trumpocalypse]

24. I'm not ignoring any facts.

There is a way for Crowley to get off the ballot and clear the way for Ocasio-Cortez. If he feels it is unethical to be on the ballot for an office that he doesn’t intend to serve, he is admitting that he is still running for Congress, against the Democratic nominee, and does intend to serve.

I’m defending the Democratic Party nominee selected by Democratic voters. The trolls are those defending a third party candidate who has the potential to split the vote and hand that seat to the GOP.

[Voltaire2]

26. It seems that running against the Democratic nominee

is ok if the nominee has “certain qualities”.

[Trumpocalypse]

35. Such as being a woman of color

instead of being a white guy.

[Nanjeanne]

44. And having been a Bernie organizer.

[Trumpocalypse]

48. So what?

That disqualifies her?

[Nanjeanne]

51. Not for me. But it's easy to see some consistent objections by a handful of others.

[Lee-Lee]

31. Did we read the same articles?

What I read was him saying he felt it was unethical to be on the ballot in a district you don’t live on for a race you have no intent to serve in office for.

Did he say he wouldn’t serve in Congress if he won? If so I missed that.

[Trumpocalypse]

36. So he is saying that he does intend to serve in Congress

which is why he won't get off the ballot and clear the way for Ocasio-Cortez. That only serves to split the vote and could flip the seat to the GOP.

[Lee-Lee]

38. Once again, did we read the same article?

Nowhere in that does he say he wouldn’t serve in Congress if elected.

He has said he won’t campaign against her. He didn’t say he wouldn’t serve if elected.

Some have called for him to not run in that race, but the only way to get off the ballot is run in a different race in an area way update where he doesn’t live and has no intention of serving. He said it would be unethical to shift his name onto a ballot for THAT office where he wouldn’t serve.

[Trumpocalypse]

39. Which says he does intend to serve in Congress

And he is now running against the Democratic Party nominee chosen by Democratic voters in that district. That will just split the vote in November which only serves to help the GOP. Crowley by his actions is putting what was a safe Democratic seat in danger.

I’m supporting the Democratic nominee and refuse to defend a third party challenger who’s actions could flip the seat to the republicans.

[kcr]

45. No, he's not saying that. He actually ran in that primary

That's why he's on the ballot in the first place. In order to be taken off, he'd have to run in that other race for an office he wants no part of. That's what we've all been talking about. Remember? It was only yesterday.

[Trumpocalypse]

49. So he is still running for congress in that district

and intends to serve if elected. So he is running a third party challenge to the Democratic nominee.

[kcr]

57. It's like talking to a stoner n/t

[Trumpocalypse]

60. Stoners are people too

And all I'm doing is supporting the Democratic nominee and not defending the actions of a third party spoiler candidate who could help flip that seat to the GOP.

[bettyellen]

80. You're actually spreading lies about a current Dem representative. He is saying the opposite.

People are suggesting he nice his state of residence, and that’s crazy. WFP should fix this without forcing him to do the unethical. That too would be used against him by liars.

[Trumpocalypse]

87. No I'm saying that he has every obligation to get off the ballot.

His excuses as for why he isn't, despite the Working Families party asking him to do so, don't make logical sense. Isn't more unethical to sit on a third party line and risk splitting the vote and handing the seat to the GOP.

[bettyellen]

88. You said "he is saying" X. And that is a lie. Words matter.

And the GOP has no chance at all in that district- perhaps that’s a mistake on your part.... but I’m not sure you deserve the benefit of the doubt after deliberately smearing Crowley w false statements.

[Trumpocalypse]

90. They might if Crowley splits the vote.

And I'm not smearing Crowley. He is a Democratic party official. He has every duty to ensure that the Democratic nominee is elected for that seat which means he should get off the ballot by any means necessary and not be playing these games.

I'm defending the Democratic party nominee for that seat who was chosen by the Democratic voters from that district and not make excuses for a third party spoiler candidate who could put that seat into play.

[bettyellen]

94. You are deliberately mischaracterizing his words. And the GOP has no chance at all in that district.

I’m sorry but it seems like this “scandal” is trumped up to fundraise. Such a cynical ploy/ just like misquoting fellow Dems. Repulsive.

[emulatorloo]

89. No, he said Democrats should unite and he endorsed AOC. You are just making shit up at this point

[Trumpocalypse]

91. I'm not making anything up

He refuses to get off the Working Families ballot despite the head of that party asking him to do so.

The Working Families Party endorsed Crowley in the primary, but immediately threw its support behind Ocasio-Cortez after she won. For weeks, it tried to convince Crowley to cooperate with one of several loopholes used to remove candidates from a ballot line in extenuating circumstances. The potential removal options include filing to run for a different office that one is virtually assured of not winning, or registering as a voter outside the district. The former is complicated but not uncommon in cases where the party wants to avoid splitting the liberal vote.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ocasio-cortez-post-election-dispute_us_5b47cca9e4b022fdcc57b858

I'm supporting the Democratic nominee and not making excuses for a third party spoiler candidate.

[emulatorloo]

92. He's not running. He's not campaigning. He endorsed her. I like AOC, here's hoping she'll focus

On her upcoming campaign against the Republican ASAP

[Trumpocalypse]

93. Actions speak louder than words

If he really wants her to win he should get off the ballot and stop making excuses for why he won't.

[emulatorloo]

96. Yes actions speak louder than words. Are there Crowley campaign rally's and speeches? No

He’s not “mounting a 3rd party run”.

He didn’t put himself on the ballot. WFP did. This is their fuck up.

And honestly in the big picture, WFP seems obscure and irrelevant. Crowley endorsed AOC and his supporters will vote AOC.

[Trumpocalypse]

97. And they've asked him to take himself off the ballot

but he refuses to do so. Why?

And can you guarantee that every single one of Crowley's supporters will vote for AOC?

[emulatorloo]

99. Maybe he doesn't want to kill himself to make you happy? WFP fucked up. No guarantees in life

and I have zero control over what voters do with their votes. However, it is a heavily Dem district so we can have an expectation that the Democratic Candidate will win. Especially if the Dem candidate can get focused and campaigns hard against the Republican.

[Trumpocalypse]

100. He doesn't have to kill himself

There are several other ways he can get off the ballot. He just refuses to do so. Why?

[mercuryblues]

102. Maybe he doesn't want to take his name off the ballot because he doesn't want to

1/Die
2/move out of state
3/ be unethical and run for another office in a district he doesn't live in.

Those are the only 3 ways to get off the ballot, which he never put himself on.

[Trumpocalypse]

111. It's not unethical

He is just saying that it is as an excuse.

It is unethical to be making excuses for not doing everything possible to ensure the election of the Democratic Party nominee.

[MichMan]

119. Does that include killing himself or robbing a bank?

After all both would fall under the category of your words of "doing everything possible" as well

[Trumpocalypse]

122. There are other avenues

to take himself off the ballot. But he is refusing to do so.

[Squinch]

130. It's interesting how that poster's name can be read a few different ways...

[AtomicKitten]

140. He still has not officially conceded the primary to Alexandria.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/still-no-concession-call-ocasio-cortez-crowley-trade-barbs-primary-n890931

[Trumpocalypse]

146. Very odd that he hasn't

Can’t believe some here are making excuses for him.

[R B Garr]

95. The wording in that is oddly inflammatory. It says WFP has tried for "weeks"

to have Crowley remove himself from the ballot, but the election was only two weeks ago.

In the last two weeks, it has been reported that 3 meetings were arranged with the candidates, but not attended. (edit: both sides not saying exactly why...)

What strange wording all the way around. Is there any statement from WFP directly?

[stevenleser]

41. You are ignoring facts including that at this point, Ocasios team I ssearxhing for a way to save fac

because they know they are wrong

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/12/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-crowley-twitter-feud-714983?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

Furthermore, the staffer says that Corbin Trent, a spokesman for Ocasio-Cortez's campaign, called Crowley’s team Thursday to admit the information she blasted out on twitter was “a mistake."

[Trumpocalypse]

42. Based on an unnamed Crowley staffer.

Not a great source. But regardless of that, Crowley's actions could put that seat in danger.

The Working Families Party endorsed Crowley in the primary, but immediately threw its support behind Ocasio-Cortez after she won. For weeks, it tried to convince Crowley to cooperate with one of several loopholes used to remove candidates from a ballot line in extenuating circumstances. The potential removal options include filing to run for a different office that one is virtually assured of not winning, or registering as a voter outside the district. The former is complicated but not uncommon in cases where the party wants to avoid splitting the liberal vote.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ocasio-cortez-post-election-dispute_us_5b47cca9e4b022fdcc57b858

I'll continue to defend the Democratic party nominee selected by Democratic voters and not the actions of a third party candidate who could help hand that seat over to the GOP.

[stevenleser]

54. And Ocasios team could easily correct that if it wasnt true. It is and you are pushing incorrect

information.

[Trumpocalypse]

59. All I'm pushing is support for the Democratic nominee

and not defending the actions of a third party spoiler who could put that seat in danger.

[stevenleser]

63. Nope, everyone is doing that. You can't hide behind that. nt

[Trumpocalypse]

64. No Everyone is not doing that

Some are attacking a woman of color who is the Democratic party nominee and defending the actions of a third party spoiler candidate.

[stevenleser]

67. Yes, they are. You are just choosing not to see it. You are glossing over several inconvenient facts

and doing so repeatedly.

[Trumpocalypse]

69. No you are

and making excuses for a third party spoiler candidate.

[stevenleser]

104. Nope, and here is more proof for you. Ocasio is sending paid staffers to ANOTHER STATE

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-deploys-campaign-staff-to-help-another-liberal-democrat/

that's how sure she really is that Crowley isn't running against her in the G.E. She knows that is bullshit. If she thought she faced a G.E. contest against the incumbent AND a weak GOP nominee, she would need all hands on deck for the General Election.

She knows she doesn't need that.

[Trumpocalypse]

112. That is for a primary in September

Long before the election in November. Nice try.

[stevenleser]

132. Exactly. And if there was a general election campaign, those staffers would be working it NOW.

So as to your attempt to dismiss my point? Not a nice try.

[Trumpocalypse]

133. You must have never worked on campaign before

General election campaigns start in the fall. The primary is 2 months before the general. Plenty of time for a few staffers to get back and work on the general election campaign.

I’m supporting the Democratic nominee for that Congressional seat, not making pathetic excuses for a third party spoiler who has the potential to split the vote and put that seat in play.

[mercuryblues]

113. In doing so you are saying he should run

against a Democrat in another district. And possibly commit election fraud because he is saying that he would not serve if he won that election.

[Trumpocalypse]

114. Nice try

But this practice is not uncommon in these situations. It is not illegal (therefore not fraud) and would not risk putting a House seat in danger.

It is a shame that on Democratic Underground some are not supporting the Democratic nominee but making excuses for a third party candidate who could split the vote to the benefit of the GOP.

[mercuryblues]

117. The real shame is

that on Democratic Underground some people do not understand that by skirting the rules, even if not illegal is unethical. He has no intention of taking the position, if he won. That is fraud, whether illegal or not.

[Trumpocalypse]

118. Then you're saying

that he IS still running for Congress against the Democratic nominee in that district despite his sworn duty as a party official to support the Democratic party nominee. That sounds far more unethical, and dishonest, to me.

[mercuryblues]

120. He has stated he is not actively running

or campaigning and has publically thrown his support behind her. He can not get his name off the ballot. Maybe a law needs to be changed, instead.

[Trumpocalypse]

123. No he can get his name off the ballot

The Working Families Party has asked him to do so. But he is refusing.

[MichMan]

47. You are correct

He could always kill himself or commit an egregious crime

[Trumpocalypse]

50. Or he could take one of several other avenues

that would take him off the ballot. But he refused to do so.

[SidDithers]

53. Which avenue would you suggest?...nt

Sid

[Trumpocalypse]

58. Anyone would be fine

as long as he is off the ballot and doesn't split the vote.

[SidDithers]

61. The avenues are listed in the OP...

the only ways to remove one’s name from the general election ballot are if the candidate dies, moves out of the state, is convicted of a crime or runs on the same party line for a different office.

Which are you suggesting Crowley do?

Sid

[Trumpocalypse]

62. Here is what the Working Families party proposed

The Working Families Party endorsed Crowley in the primary, but immediately threw its support behind Ocasio-Cortez after she won. For weeks, it tried to convince Crowley to cooperate with one of several loopholes used to remove candidates from a ballot line in extenuating circumstances. The potential removal options include filing to run for a different office that one is virtually assured of not winning, or registering as a voter outside the district. The former is complicated but not uncommon in cases where the party wants to avoid splitting the liberal vote.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ocasio-cortez-post-election-dispute_us_5b47cca9e4b022fdcc57b858

Crowley should be doing whatever it takes to ensure the Democratic party nominee wins in that district and split the vote which only helps the GOP.

[MichMan]

65. So take votes away from some other Democrat then?

[Trumpocalypse]

66. So you want him to take votes away from Ocasio-Cortez

for a congressional seat and risk it being won by a republican?

[MichMan]

75. No I don't care what he does

Crowley had nothing to do with this mess and he shouldn't be responsible for "fixing" it.

[Trumpocalypse]

82. Crowley has an obligation as a party official

to do everything in his power to ensure that the Democratic nominee wins the election. He shouldn't be sitting on a third party line siphoning off votes from the nominee when he has several avenues to get off the ballot.

[Jim Lane]

71. The simplest would be for Crowley to register to vote in Virginia, where he actually lives. (n/t)

[Power 2 the People]

101. Definitely

You said it. Let the Dem who lives in the district represent it.

[R B Garr]

116. He was raised in that district. Didn't her parents

move her to Westchester when she was five? That is his lifelong childhood home. Why should he be forced to relinquish his childhood home for anyone, or move for some strangers. It’s absurd.

[OnDoutside]

27. +1

[stevenleser]

40. 100% Every bit of what you just wrote. nt

[Demsrule86]

34. Well if he won...even if he doesn't serve...she has two years. They will lining up to run against

her in a primary...bad situation. And the stuff I read she said made it worse. Hey she is the Democrat and I want her to win but...this isn't helpful to her or us. And the Delaware stuff...we took the seat from a GOP and could lose this seat. There shouldn't even be a primary as the candidate who is running against the incumbent will more than likely lose a general should she win... but I worry that the ads they are running will damage him and elect a GOP...terrible situation and didn't have to happen.

[Trumpocalypse]

37. Yes it is a terrible situation

that is being caused by Crowley refusing to get off the ballot.

[SidDithers]

43. ...

Sid

[AtomicKitten]

141. The WFP has been clear Crowley is refusing to cooperate with taking his name off the ballot.

And to date, he still hasn't officially conceded the primary.

WFP state director Bill Lipton said Crowley refused to vacate the line he won in New York’s 14th Congressional District. 

"It is disappointing that Crowley has refused to vacate the Working Families Party ballot line. He chose not to show Ocasio-Cortez and the WFP respect by allowing us to put Ocasio-Cortez on our ballot line," Lipton said in a statement to The Hill. 

-SNIP

"The only remaining way for Crowley to do the right thing is to switch his residency to Virginia, where his family resides and his children already go to school. It would fix the problem he created in an instant." 


Source: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/396667-ocasio-cortez-accuses-defeated-dem-of-mounting-third-party-challenge

[Squinch]

28. This is a controversy she whipped up out of her own ignorance, and it isn't doing her any good.

[shanny]

83. And he has no responsibility here?

[Squinch]

125. Who is the candidate?

"He's being mean to me!" (and by the way he's not) is not a good stance for a leader to take.

[shanny]

126. So now you are in favor of 3-party runs? Good to know.

[Squinch]

127. And you know perfectly well that's not true. Those who are pulling out that little canard are

revealing themselves to be people who will hock any old bald-faced lie because they think it scores them a point.

It really doesn't.

[shanny]

128. It aint a "canard" if Crowley is on the ballot.

It really isn't.

[Squinch]

129. Nothing more to say to you. You know the truth. You are trying to score a point using the lie.

I'll be saving my breath to fight against Republicans, not to bad-mouth Democrats who aren't even running.

[SidDithers]

46. Thanks for clarifying this issue...

The WFP needs to get their shit together to get Crowley off the ballot on their own.

He's already state that he'll support Ocasio-Cortez in the House race. He's got no intention of running for the seat against her.

Asking him to run on their ticket, for Dog Catcher in some upstate district, against a Democrat, just so they can remove him from the Ocasio-Cortez race is ridiculous.

The WFP created this mess. Let them fix it.

Sid

[Nevernose]

74. The WFP has repeatedly asked Crowley to get off the ballot

He refuses. There is a simple and common solution, but Crowley refuses, citing some bullshit he just made up.

Granted, it’s a weird solution. New York primary election law is weird, period.

For the record, I’m not a giant fan of the WFP. While I support their goals, in my personal experience, if the choice comes down to either integrity or political expediency, they will choose cold calculation 100% of the time. On paper that’s a winning strategy. In real life? Not always true.

[MichMan]

77. They were the ones that put him on there

Why should he have to jump through hoops to get off of it?

[kcr]

124. The claim is this unethical and borderline fraudulent scheme is common

So that makes it ok. I'm betting it's a rather selective, "common" workaround. I would have thought that WFP would prefer to work to get this voter suppression law off the books, but guess that's crazy talk from this progressive.

[NCTraveler]

52. Self-Inflicted Wounds.

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[R B Garr]

79. Totally self-inflicted. There was a post that she didn't pledge to

not run against Crowley if she lost, although Crowley did pledge. Maybe she was planning to run as a third party against Crowley?? If that's the case, it's hypocritical she is so upset over this since her newly-founded group she is a member of has promoted the idea of multiple candidates -- choices for the voters.

[Adrahil]

55. Dems: There is no way we'll lose this seat...

Bernie Bots: Hold my beer....

FFS....

[NY_20th]

110. lol

That does seem to be a recurring theme.

It's a safe blue district. She'll win it handily. But she needs to answer or return one of Crowley's phone calls. As the head of the Queens County Democratic Party, I have no doubt he will do everything to help her be successful.

[MichMan]

72. Maybe NY should get it's head out of it's ass and repeal this idiotic law

[DinahMoeHum]

84. NY state government has a lot of work to do in that regard.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/opinion/editorials/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-crowley.html

(This) episode is a grating reminder of the brokenness of the state’s election laws.

New York makes it difficult to vote at nearly every turn. It is one of a minority of states in which there is no early voting, despite a broad push by good government groups and others. Residents must register to vote 25 days before every Election Day — that’s compared with seven days ahead in states like Connecticut and same-day voter registration in states like Colorado.

New York also requires voters who want to change parties to do so more than a year before an election. And it maintains a stockpile of outdated voting machines that have been known to break down, gumming up elections. In 2016, New York City’s Board of Elections wrongfully purged at least 117,000 Democratic voters from the rolls. Reforming the City Board of Elections requires changes to state law.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Fixing this will require action from the State Legislature and the governor. If Democrats win control of the State Senate this November, a unified state government should get it done.

(boldface emphasis is mine - DMH)

The last item is a major reason why NY state senate elections will be even more important than the governor's or AG's races in 2018.

And that means ousting those fake Democrats in the so-called "Independent Democratic Caucus" in the September 13 primaries and replacing them with real Democrats to run and win in the November general elections.

http://www.noidcny.org/learn/challengers

[AtomicKitten]

135. What that law was designed to do

That’s thanks to a quirk in New York State’s election laws, an embarrassingly retrograde system that protects incumbents by confusing voters and suppressing turnout.

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/opinion/editorials/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-crowley.html

[shanny]

81. well, since he has already moved out of state

it should be easy for him to say that he has moved out of state...if, that is, he is actually concerned about ethics. Or is he just another LIEberman?

[oberliner]

134. He hasn't moved out of state

[shanny]

136. He lives in northern Virginia and has for years.

That's where his wife lives, where his children went to school etc. Call it whatever you want but it is at least part of why he lost the primary.

[oberliner]

139. No, he doesn't

He lives in Woodside, Queens.

Since he works in DC - he has a home in that area as well.

[shanny]

142. ...

https://nypost.com/2013/11/28/rep-crowleys-va-home-scrubbed-from-wikipedia/

Crowley was spied yesterday in his driveway, keying into his Ford Fiesta, which bears a Virginia license plate and a bumper sticker that proclaims one of his kids is an honor student at a nearby middle school.

But Crowley keeps a toehold in the borough, maintaining ownership of a longtime family home on 65th Street in Woodside — though neighbors on the block don’t know who he is. That’s not surprising, since he bought his house in Virginia for $690,000 in 2004, six years after he went to Congress.

His decision to raise his family in the DC suburbs rather than Queens raises eyebrows because of his role as the county’s powerful Democratic Party chairman, which requires him to oversee politics throughout the borough, and not just tend to his congressional duties.
--https://nypost.com/2011/07/08/queens-democratic-party-boss-lives-in-northern-virginia/

[oberliner]

143. The Murdoch-owned NY Post is a right-wing tabloid

That was trying to score points by trashing a prominent Democrat in 2011 (and again in 2013).

[shanny]

145. ...

none so blind

[wonkwest]

85. She should apologize. But I'm growing tired of the punching to the Left

She done fucked up. There's no arguing around it.

But people seem out to get her.

A strong, progressive, Democratic woman. Oh no! She upset the Establishment!

So now we have to burn her.

Obvious and boring. The most important midterms of our lifetime, and some people just want to Punch Left as hard as possible.

It's fucking stupid.

We're not allowed to have liberals. Just approved candidates. The people who have spent months screaming, "Vote Democratic no matter what!" suddenly have no problem going after OC. Oh, I guess some Democrats don't count, huh? What's different about her?

Mhm. Mhm. Let's pretend not to notice.

I'll just note the people who usually have a sexism accusation at the ready are leaving it in their holster for her. So curious.

[yardwork]

86. The stupidest part of all this is taking WFP seriously at all.

A little-known third party organization put a Democrat on their ballot, and now they want him to fix it?

The Democratic nominee, duly chosen in the primary, should stay out of this. Why is she even getting involved? She's in the big game now. She won the Democratic nomination. She needs to focus on her election.

[R B Garr]

98. +1.. It's like they don't know how to run against Republicans. It's

always ever been Democrats.