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Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!! (Original Post) USALiberal Jul 2018 OP
+1 Botany Jul 2018 #1
I'm An All-In Conspiracy Theorist Ccarmona Jul 2018 #2
I am right there with you! get the red out Jul 2018 #10
No need to alter the tallies if you deregister a few thousand people in each district Recursion Jul 2018 #11
+1, that's exactly what a real hacker would do; effect the least secure upline processing that can uponit7771 Jul 2018 #12
That's a hard claim to prove mythology Jul 2018 #3
I agree..... USALiberal Jul 2018 #4
Of course. The election was clearly stolen. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2018 #5
I think we will never know. Orsino Jul 2018 #6
She did... Mike Nelson Jul 2018 #7
And 3 million more votes! nt USALiberal Jul 2018 #14
Yep mcar Jul 2018 #8
Actually, there were a LOT of reasons Hillary "lost" RandomAccess Jul 2018 #9
Great post, thank you!! nt USALiberal Jul 2018 #15
I agree. "without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won" Stuart G Jul 2018 #13
Maybe. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #16
They keep moving the goalposts. superpatriotman Jul 2018 #17
She did win. NY_20th Jul 2018 #18

Botany

(70,504 posts)
1. +1
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 02:33 PM
Jul 2018

Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!

Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!

Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!

Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!

Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!

 

Ccarmona

(1,180 posts)
2. I'm An All-In Conspiracy Theorist
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 02:38 PM
Jul 2018

I still think the vote tallies in Michigan, Wisconsin, & Pennsylvania we’re altered by the Russians. All three were suspiciously close too not raise an eyebrow.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. No need to alter the tallies if you deregister a few thousand people in each district
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 03:55 PM
Jul 2018

That's why the specificity with which officials keep stressing "votes were never flipped" worries me.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
12. +1, that's exactly what a real hacker would do; effect the least secure upline processing that can
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 04:01 PM
Jul 2018

... effect all down line processes in the event flow.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
3. That's a hard claim to prove
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 02:40 PM
Jul 2018

Clinton was ahead by enough before the second Comey announcement to make it unlikely she would lose. You can certainly argue that it lowered her overall support, and I believe it did, but I don't know that you can quantify what the real impact was. Which I think makes it harder to fight. You can't say who it influenced to not vote for Clinton.

USALiberal

(10,877 posts)
4. I agree.....
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 02:42 PM
Jul 2018

I am assume more details will be exposed from these recent indictments.

I think this might be the tip of the iceberg.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
6. I think we will never know.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 02:47 PM
Jul 2018

When voting is largely a black box, and just what was hacked isn't clear, and private money, media and dark money all have thumbs on the scale, the hacking itself may have made little or no difference.

But that we will never know is even more frightening to me.

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
9. Actually, there were a LOT of reasons Hillary "lost"
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 03:01 PM
Jul 2018

Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691



Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/



23:00 6/25/2017
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.


MikeFarb @mikefarb1
#unhackthevote
Did Trump win Michigan? I don' think so.
Won by 10,704 but wait
75,355 Ballots Thrown Out
87 Machines Broke Down in Detrioit





Ron Baiman (Ph. D.): U.S. 2016 Unadjusted Exit Poll Discrepancies.... (Affadavit)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210343625
Updated, Expanded and Corrected Affidavit Version: U.S. 2016 Unadjusted Exit Poll Discrepancies Fit Chronic Republican Vote – Count Rigging, not Random Statistical, Patterns https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319205877_Updated_Expanded_and_Corrected_Affidavit_Version_US_2016_Unadjusted_Exit_Poll_Discrepancies_Fit_Chronic_Republican_Vote_-_Count_Rigging_not_Random_Statistical_Patterns

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
16. Maybe.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 05:54 PM
Jul 2018


Melts face it smears, bots, fake news we’re all expected...from the likes of the Kochs.

People on DU have been claiming their hired hands have been running around DU for years.


None of this was unexpected but except that it was the Russians and probably aimed at helping Trump.
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