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At this point there is no doubt about it.
Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!
Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!
Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!
Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!
Let's face it, without Russian hacking, Hillary would have won!!!!
Ccarmona
(1,180 posts)I still think the vote tallies in Michigan, Wisconsin, & Pennsylvania were altered by the Russians. All three were suspiciously close too not raise an eyebrow.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)I think the closeness of all three is very suspicious!
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That's why the specificity with which officials keep stressing "votes were never flipped" worries me.
uponit7771
(90,336 posts)... effect all down line processes in the event flow.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Clinton was ahead by enough before the second Comey announcement to make it unlikely she would lose. You can certainly argue that it lowered her overall support, and I believe it did, but I don't know that you can quantify what the real impact was. Which I think makes it harder to fight. You can't say who it influenced to not vote for Clinton.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)I am assume more details will be exposed from these recent indictments.
I think this might be the tip of the iceberg.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)Knew that by 9 pm election night...it all stunk.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)When voting is largely a black box, and just what was hacked isn't clear, and private money, media and dark money all have thumbs on the scale, the hacking itself may have made little or no difference.
But that we will never know is even more frightening to me.
Mike Nelson
(9,955 posts)
win; she wasn't elected. She had the most popular message and had a great team.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.
The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.
We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691
Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
23:00 6/25/2017
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/
The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trumps shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation despite each working independently and using differing methodologies somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.
Ask any statistician and theyll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.
According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. Thats not how numbers tend to work in the real world.
On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
MikeFarb @mikefarb1
#unhackthevote
Did Trump win Michigan? I don' think so.
Won by 10,704 but wait
75,355 Ballots Thrown Out
87 Machines Broke Down in Detrioit
Link to tweet
Ron Baiman (Ph. D.): U.S. 2016 Unadjusted Exit Poll Discrepancies.... (Affadavit)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210343625
Updated, Expanded and Corrected Affidavit Version: U.S. 2016 Unadjusted Exit Poll Discrepancies Fit Chronic Republican Vote Count Rigging, not Random Statistical, Patterns https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319205877_Updated_Expanded_and_Corrected_Affidavit_Version_US_2016_Unadjusted_Exit_Poll_Discrepancies_Fit_Chronic_Republican_Vote_-_Count_Rigging_not_Random_Statistical_Patterns
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Stuart G
(38,425 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Melts face it smears, bots, fake news were all expected...from the likes of the Kochs.
People on DU have been claiming their hired hands have been running around DU for years.
None of this was unexpected but except that it was the Russians and probably aimed at helping Trump.
superpatriotman
(6,249 posts)Waiting for voters who said they were duped but not holding my breath
NY_20th
(1,028 posts)I'm convinced that the Intelligence Community knows it.