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Holder: Calls to abolish ICE are "a gift to Republicans" (Original Post) Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 OP
If ICE is abolished their duties will just be taken up by another department. octoberlib Jul 2018 #1
100% agree. This is the problem with inexperienced hotheads talking shite. OnDoutside Jul 2018 #6
Don't give a shit manor321 Jul 2018 #2
"Don't give a shit" handmade34 Jul 2018 #12
Well said. OneBro Jul 2018 #28
Put a leash on ICE. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2018 #3
He is 100% correct. Wait until after November. Only idiots would give the GOP ammo now. tonyt53 Jul 2018 #4
I agree. This is a gift to repubs going into the midterms ebbie15644 Jul 2018 #5
He's absolutely right. lamp_shade Jul 2018 #7
I agree. ooky Jul 2018 #24
I disagree 1000%...ICE is the American Gestapo DemocraticSocialist8 Jul 2018 #8
Fight them. Blue_true Jul 2018 #20
Follow the abolish ICE movement matt819 Jul 2018 #9
I am afraid it has. And it is also pulling in gullible hotheads who just guarantee their own Blue_true Jul 2018 #21
This defacto7 Jul 2018 #26
I agree, but the govmt should be reigned in (trump). This is so yesterday, with the madinmaryland Jul 2018 #10
Getting the excuses lined up again. nt RandiFan1290 Jul 2018 #11
he said it should possibly be reformed...... spanone Jul 2018 #13
I am not disagreeing with Holder -- or agreeing, for that matter RandomAccess Jul 2018 #14
so much this shanny Jul 2018 #16
What's wrong with thinking it through? OneBro Jul 2018 #29
Mend it. Don't end it. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2018 #15
I'd go with, "Fumigate it." shanny Jul 2018 #17
Exactly AG Holder. still_one Jul 2018 #18
Wise man GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #19
Holder will run for president superpatriotman Jul 2018 #22
He's absolutely correct. "Abolish ICE" is the worst slogan ever. Oneironaut Jul 2018 #23
abolish and prosecute ice should be the slogan txliberal2016 Jul 2018 #25
NO IT SHOULD NOT. "Fix Ice" is the only slogan we need. pnwmom Jul 2018 #27

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
1. If ICE is abolished their duties will just be taken up by another department.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jul 2018

What's needed is to reform our laws. I'm not a fan of ICE, btw . It makes a nice slogan but won't solve anything.

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
2. Don't give a shit
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:32 PM
Jul 2018

Abolishing ICE is the correct thing to do. We should fight for it.

Republicans were told for decades that fighting against Roe v Wade was a loser. Who is laughing now?

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
12. "Don't give a shit"
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 07:09 PM
Jul 2018

got us here... Abolishing ICE 'may be' the correct thing to do, but laying low right now is the SMART thing to do

ooky

(8,920 posts)
24. I agree.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:38 PM
Jul 2018

Using the term "abolish ICE" mobilizes their voting base. We need to focus on the abomination of separating the families.

8. I disagree 1000%...ICE is the American Gestapo
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:46 PM
Jul 2018

Make the Rethugs defend what they've done. The problem is there aren't many who have the will to fight the Right on this.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. Fight them.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:58 PM
Jul 2018

Or kick ourselves in our own balls. The key issue is knowing what we are fighting to accomplish. The abolish ICE people don't have a clue as to what exactly they want to accomplish. The goal should be to reform our immigration laws and reform ICE. ICE had a reasonable charter when it was formed, but over the years since the organization has become heavy on hiring Nazi types and light on hiring thinking administrators and field officers that have a clear and well defined mission and are regulated to insure that the organization is working toward that mission.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
21. I am afraid it has. And it is also pulling in gullible hotheads who just guarantee their own
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:00 PM
Jul 2018

defeat by the choices that they choose to make.

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
10. I agree, but the govmt should be reigned in (trump). This is so yesterday, with the
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 07:02 PM
Jul 2018

orange shit storm we are living in.

spanone

(135,802 posts)
13. he said it should possibly be reformed......
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 07:16 PM
Jul 2018

not sure that's his exact word, but it conveys his meaning

 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
14. I am not disagreeing with Holder -- or agreeing, for that matter
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 07:29 PM
Jul 2018

But I am farkin sick and tired of having ANYTHING and EVERYTHING we do, think or say weighed in the balance of what the Republicans will think or do.

OneBro

(1,159 posts)
29. What's wrong with thinking it through?
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:48 PM
Jul 2018

Seems that a part of any winning strategy is to consider how republicans might spin an issue to their political advantage.

Oneironaut

(5,490 posts)
23. He's absolutely correct. "Abolish ICE" is the worst slogan ever.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:33 PM
Jul 2018

Think how much better “reform ICE” would be? What “Abolish ICE” sounds like to undecided centrists is “Ignore immigration issues.” Time to stop chopping our own heads off and serving them to the Republicans on a platter.

 

txliberal2016

(9 posts)
25. abolish and prosecute ice should be the slogan
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:55 PM
Jul 2018

we should stop tailoring our message to people who won’t vote for “ libruls” anyway and call the cops on children cutting grass.

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