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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:37 PM Jul 2018

Al Franken: I have some questions I'd love to see Brett Kavanaugh answer

When Judge Brett Kavanaugh appears before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senators will have an opportunity to examine his record, his judicial philosophy, and his qualifications for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court.

I wish I could be there. Because I have some questions I’d love to see him answer.

1. Judge Kavanaugh, welcome. I’d like to start with a series of yes or no questions. The first one is a gimme. Do you think it’s proper for judges to make determinations based on their ideological preconceptions or their personal biases?

He’ll say no, of course.

2. Good. Would you agree that judges should make determinations based on their understanding of the facts?

3. And would you agree that it’s important for a judge to obtain a full and fair understanding of the facts before making a determination?

This is all pretty standard stuff. Then, however, I’d turn to an issue that’s received a bit of attention—but not nearly enough.

4. When you were introduced by President Trump, you spoke to the American people for the very first time as a nominee for the Supreme Court. That is a very important moment in this process, wouldn’t you agree?

5. And one of the very first things that came out of your mouth as a nominee for the Supreme Court was the following assertion: “No president has ever consulted more widely, or talked with more people from more backgrounds, to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination.” Did I quote you correctly?

This claim, of course, was not just false, but ridiculous. The Washington Post’s Aaron Blake (a Minnesota native) called it “a thoroughly inauspicious way to begin your application to the nation’s highest court, where you will be deciding the merits of the country’s most important legal and factual claims.”

It would be only fair to give Kavanaugh a chance to retract that weirdly specific bit of bullshit.

6. Do you stand by those words today? Yes or no?

If he says that he doesn’t, I’d skip down to Question 22. But, if he won’t take it back, I’d want to pin him down.

7. I just want to be clear. You are under oath today, correct?

8. So, today, you are telling the American people—under oath—that it is your determination that “[n]o president has ever consulted more widely, or talked with more people from more backgrounds, to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination.”

9. And that determination—it wouldn’t be based on your ideological preconceptions, would it?

10. And it’s not based on any personal bias, is it?

11. No, of course not. That would be improper. Instead, it is based on your understanding of the facts, right?

12. Was it a “full and fair” understanding of the facts?

Again, if he decided here to fold his hand and admit that he was full of it, I’d skip down to Question 22. But if not, I’d continue with…

13. Great. Judge Kavanaugh, are you aware that there have been 162 nominations to the Supreme Court over the past 229 years?

14. And do you have a full and fair understanding of the circumstances surrounding each nomination?

Of course he doesn’t.

15. Of course you don’t. So, in actuality, your statement at that press conference did not reflect a full and fair understanding of the facts—isn’t that right?

16. This was one of the very first public statements you made to the American people as a nominee for the Supreme Court. A factual assertion you have repeated here under oath. And it did not meet your standard for how a judge should make determinations about issues of national importance.

17. Let me ask you about some widely-reported facts. Are you aware of the widely-reported fact that President Trump selected you from a list of 25 jurists provided by the conservative Federalist Society?

18. Are you aware of any other case in which a President has selected a nominee from a list provided to him by a partisan advocacy group?

19. Are you aware of the widely-reported fact that President Trump spent just two weeks mulling over his selection—whereas, for example, President Obama spent roughly a month before making each of his two Supreme Court nominations?

20. Let me ask you this. Are you aware of any facts that support your assertion that—and I’ll quote it again—“No president has ever consulted more widely, or talked with more people from more backgrounds, to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination”?

21. And yet, you still believe that your assertion was based on a full and fair understanding of the facts?

Then I’d try to sum it up.

22. Judge Kavanaugh, do you believe that intellectual honesty and a scrupulous adherence to the facts are important characteristics in a Supreme Court Justice?

23: And would you say that you displayed those characteristics to your own satisfaction when you made in your very first public remarks (and reiterated here today under oath) your assertion that, “No president has ever consulted more widely, or talked with more people from more backgrounds, to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination”?

By the way: Once I had him pinned down on his ridiculous lie, I’d ask where it came from.

24: Let me ask you about something else. Did President Trump, or anyone in his administration, have any input on your remarks at that press conference?

25: Did President Trump, or anyone in his administration, instruct, ask, or suggest that you make that assertion?

I know this might seem like a long chase. Senators have a lot of ground they want to cover in these hearings: health care, choice, net neutrality, and a long list of incredibly important issues on which Kavanaugh has been, and would continue to be, terrible. After all, he was chosen through a shoddy, disgraceful process overseen by the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation.

And, of course, Kavanaugh is a smart guy. He and his team no doubt know that his easily provable lie is a potential problem, and I’m sure they’re workshopping answers at this very moment.

But pinning him down on this is important, for a couple of reasons.

First of all, it was exactly the kind of lie that has been plaguing our discourse for a generation, the kind that has become prevalent under the Trump administration. It’s just a totally made-up assertion that is exactly the opposite of the truth, flowing out of the mouth of a committed partisan who doesn’t care that it’s false. And if you’re sick of people doing that and getting away with it, at some point someone is going to have to start using a prominent stage to bust these lies. If they go unchallenged, then why would any of these guys stop lying, ever?

More to the point: This episode is a perfect illustration of what the conservative movement has been doing to the Supreme Court nomination and confirmation process specifically, and the judicial system generally, for a generation now.

In theory, judges are supposed to be above partisan politics. They don’t make law, they interpret it. They don’t create the strike zone, they just call balls and strikes. You know the routine.

The truth is, for the last generation, conservatives have politicized the Court, and the courts. Kavanaugh is the very model of a young, arch-conservative judge who has been groomed for moments like this one precisely because conservative activists know that he will issue expansive, activist rulings to further their agenda. He has spent his whole career carefully cultivating a reputation as a serious and thoughtful legal scholar—but he wouldn’t have been on that list if he weren’t committed to the right-wing cause.

That’s why it’s critical to recognize that the very first thing he did as a Supreme Court nominee was to parrot a false, partisan talking point. Of course that’s what he did. Advancing the goals of the Republican Party and the conservative movement is what he’s there to do.

When the Kavanaugh nomination was announced, I saw a lot of statements from Senators saying they looked forward to carefully evaluating his credentials and asking him questions about his judicial philosophy. But anyone who ignores the obvious fact that this nomination, and the judicial nomination process in general, has become a partisan exercise for Republicans is just playing along with the farce.

Instead, we ought to be having a real conversation about what conservatives have done to the principle of judicial independence—and what progressives can do to correct it. I can think of no better example of the problem than Brett Kavanaugh’s nomination and the bizarre lie he uttered moments after it was made official. And I can think of no better opportunity to start turning the tide than Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearing—even if it means going down a rabbit hole for a few uncomfortable minutes.

https://www.facebook.com/senatoralfranken/posts/1830068093745731
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Al Franken: I have some questions I'd love to see Brett Kavanaugh answer (Original Post) Miles Archer Jul 2018 OP
It is unfortunate. Snackshack Jul 2018 #1
He published these so someone will question Kavanaugh with them. Maraya1969 Jul 2018 #63
Cross-Examination Ponietz Jul 2018 #2
Yea.... mbusby Jul 2018 #3
I miss Al Franken. madaboutharry Jul 2018 #4
Yes. CentralMass Jul 2018 #12
Me too. We eat our own. JDC Jul 2018 #15
Sacrificial Dem lamb Heartstrings Jul 2018 #65
Yes it is.. mountain grammy Jul 2018 #17
Excellent.. thanks for reminding us Cha Jul 2018 #5
Reminds me how much I miss him....this is a perfect example of Al Franken. spanone Jul 2018 #6
Kavannaugh could respond with, "You're correct. That wasn't true. I read a prepared statement."... aikoaiko Jul 2018 #7
Cynical, and probably correct. [nt] erronis Jul 2018 #68
They just don't care. aikoaiko Jul 2018 #79
Franken was railroaded. I miss him. NurseJackie Jul 2018 #8
that guy should run for senate Takket Jul 2018 #9
How badly we NEED him on Senate Judicial.. Thanks alot to those who drummed him out hlthe2b Jul 2018 #10
We miss you, Al. betsuni Jul 2018 #11
Love that Al didn't get a chance to have an ethics investigation while Paul sinkingfeeling Jul 2018 #13
Maybe Kavanaugh meant no president has spent a greater %of his time vetting supreme court candidates applegrove Jul 2018 #14
Every time I hear the Dems questioning the GOP BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #16
I know who you mean. I agree. I have a long memory. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #23
Agree on all counts. LakeArenal Jul 2018 #36
Yup. Dave Starsky Jul 2018 #51
I know exactly who you mean lark Jul 2018 #52
It will be interesting (and enlightening) Jakes Progress Jul 2018 #18
Infuriating, isn't it! calimary Jul 2018 #26
Welcome home Al. Ellipsis Jul 2018 #19
I am so going to miss having Franken on the Judiciary Committee. nt dflprincess Jul 2018 #20
Boom. That is what we lost in the Senate. That right there. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #21
+1 Little Star Jul 2018 #81
+1 nt NCTraveler Jul 2018 #22
+1!!! To add to his point, another thing that the Republican Party has done to politicize Dustlawyer Jul 2018 #24
I hope that someone, with permission from Franken, follows that exact script. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #25
I am now handmade34 Jul 2018 #55
Great idea. Me Too. [also VT] erronis Jul 2018 #69
just got mine out handmade34 Jul 2018 #80
Miss and need Franken more zentrum Jul 2018 #27
minngal marieo1 Jul 2018 #28
Too bad this genuinely good man got railroaded out of the Senate PatrickforO Jul 2018 #29
Al Franken is the BEST! Why, oh why isn't he still in the Senate fighting for us??? scarletwoman Jul 2018 #30
I hear you and feel your pain. SleeplessinSoCal Jul 2018 #35
Good to see him back. gulliver Jul 2018 #31
It IS good to see him back. MontanaMama Jul 2018 #32
thank you for posting this! orleans Jul 2018 #33
I read this all in Al's own voice. I miss Al Franken. We are worse without him. He'd have been a NBachers Jul 2018 #34
Crying quietly grantcart Jul 2018 #37
+1 SunSeeker Jul 2018 #39
I hope one of the Senate Dems takes this script and runs with it. SunSeeker Jul 2018 #38
I miss Senator Franken. Sloumeau Jul 2018 #40
Such a loss to our country. And at the worst possible time. Crunchy Frog Jul 2018 #41
My eyes teared up a bit reading this. joshcryer Jul 2018 #42
You and me both. smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #43
I totally agree. emmadoggy Jul 2018 #84
Damn. We lost a good man. nt Hekate Jul 2018 #44
Al puplicly exposed & humiliated Gorsuch for the pedantic, rigid, heartless ideologue he is stuffmatters Jul 2018 #45
Al Franken is among the very best Martin Eden Jul 2018 #46
Good questions but one correction dsc Jul 2018 #47
I'm glad to hear from Sen. Al. And look forward to hearing from him more. Mc Mike Jul 2018 #48
best senator ever JI7 Jul 2018 #49
Sure would be nice for Franken to be asking these questions at a Senate hearing. Paladin Jul 2018 #50
i hope someone takes those questions and poses them to K.. samnsara Jul 2018 #53
So, who is going to send this to their Dem Senators? concreteblue Jul 2018 #54
conservative Federalist Society made trump pick from their list. Sunlei Jul 2018 #56
I will never get over the loss of this man. Autumn Jul 2018 #57
The GOP knew Franken was a threat to them. mn9driver Jul 2018 #58
K + R Raastan Jul 2018 #59
K and r. Tipperary Jul 2018 #60
Sadly, Kavanaugh proved himself to be a republian liar Achilleaze Jul 2018 #61
So one of our other Senators can ask these exact questions right? I'm hearing people say that Maraya1969 Jul 2018 #62
Only here Jimvanhise Jul 2018 #64
I could actually envision Kamala Harris doing EXACTLY that questioning. Texin Jul 2018 #66
Wecome, back, Al! maddiemom Jul 2018 #67
This needs to be sent to Kirsten Gillibrand. WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2018 #70
Oh Al....what the Dems, forgodsake, did to you. 😫🤬 BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2018 #71
Many of us wish that Al were BlueMTexpat Jul 2018 #72
Hell yeh voteearlyvoteoften Jul 2018 #73
I wish Al would run for his old seat. Let the people decide. Not Roger Stone. dem4decades Jul 2018 #74
A write-in by everyone who voted for him before would be a nice touch. maddiemom Jul 2018 #83
Now that's how you get in their face! CrispyQ Jul 2018 #75
Of course Trump wrote it Saguaro Jul 2018 #76
I wish Franken were still in office. We could use him right about now. Nitram Jul 2018 #77
Al Franken: Giant of the Senate cp Jul 2018 #78
and I want to smack Gilibrand over her head. As a constituent, of course. robbedvoter Jul 2018 #82
Gee, maybe Kristen Gillibrand could ask these questions. n/t Beartracks Jul 2018 #85
Looking forward to seeing Roger Stone indicted. Collimator Jul 2018 #86

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
7. Kavannaugh could respond with, "You're correct. That wasn't true. I read a prepared statement."...
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:50 PM
Jul 2018

....and it wouldn't matter an iota.

hlthe2b

(102,236 posts)
10. How badly we NEED him on Senate Judicial.. Thanks alot to those who drummed him out
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:52 PM
Jul 2018

on the thinnest of accusations...

sinkingfeeling

(51,448 posts)
13. Love that Al didn't get a chance to have an ethics investigation while Paul
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:53 PM
Jul 2018

Ryan dismisses the idea of even having an ethics complaint against Jim Jordan.

I will not forgive the DNC nor the DSCC for forcing one of our greatest Senators out.

applegrove

(118,636 posts)
14. Maybe Kavanaugh meant no president has spent a greater %of his time vetting supreme court candidates
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:57 PM
Jul 2018

orally because we know he does not read? The other presidents read up on the records of their supreme court candidates. Sounds to me like trolling either way.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
16. Every time I hear the Dems questioning the GOP
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:40 PM
Jul 2018

I think of Al and how much good he did and what an assett he was to the party. I DO hold a grudge and will continue to do so regarding his lack of support from the party, especially a particular senator (you know who I mean).

lark

(23,097 posts)
52. I know exactly who you mean
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:43 AM
Jul 2018

and I feel the same way. We lost a lion when some Dems pushed him out and I will not forget.

Jakes Progress

(11,122 posts)
18. It will be interesting (and enlightening)
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jul 2018

to see how some of the senators who were so easily duped by rw interest groups will do with this chance to save America. I think I would have more faith in Franken's ability to protect us than those who fell for the scam.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. Boom. That is what we lost in the Senate. That right there.
Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:57 PM
Jul 2018

Because he's so sharp, so articulate, so effective that some saw him as a threat to their career goals. There is no one to replace him.

The country lost, when the Senate lost Franken. IMO.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
24. +1!!! To add to his point, another thing that the Republican Party has done to politicize
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:08 AM
Jul 2018

the Courts is nominating very young, lightly experienced Republican judges so they will hold that seat far longer than what the average age nominee or judge. This is going on all over the country. Republican county judicial candidates need to be young and loyal to get the local Party’s support. The local Democratic Partys have had to respond in kind. The result is a lot of new, relatively inexperienced, hyper-partisan judges courtesy of the Republican Party making everything a partisan issue.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
55. I am now
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:19 AM
Jul 2018

copying this script and mailing it to each senator... going to the post office to pick up stamps this morning!!

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
80. just got mine out
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 03:25 PM
Jul 2018

note: I use a return zip for area the Senator represents... they are much more likely to pay attention

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
27. Miss and need Franken more
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:16 AM
Jul 2018

…than ever and I'm still pissed as hell that he was forced out. He was one of our best Dems, with a huge future.

marieo1

(1,402 posts)
28. minngal
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:17 AM
Jul 2018

Go Al Franken. This is exactly why I was so brokenhearted by what happened to you. We need you, Al Franken. You are the one that will ask the right questions and get the answers. I heard you in Congress before the Kristen Gillebrand thing and I knew you would get to bottom of everything. I hope you haven't given up on all your supporters and will still fight for us as much as you can.

PatrickforO

(14,571 posts)
29. Too bad this genuinely good man got railroaded out of the Senate
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:17 AM
Jul 2018

so now he cannot ask those questions. He cannot be our voice.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
30. Al Franken is the BEST! Why, oh why isn't he still in the Senate fighting for us???
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:27 AM
Jul 2018

He was my Senator. And I cannot forgive those other senators who took him away from me/us.

And for what? To show how "pure" they are? To make sure Doug Jones would win his election over Roy Moore?

Was losing Al Franken in order to gain Doug Jones actually worth it? I sure as hell don't think so!

We should have kept our most excellent, irreplaceable Senator Franken and taken our chances with letting that total nutjob Roy Moore win his election.

Why should the elected Dems be so damn afraid of the insane righties? Why aren't they instead devising more effective ways of taking down the rabid right than throwing one of our best under the bus??

MontanaMama

(23,313 posts)
32. It IS good to see him back.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:42 AM
Jul 2018

However, I disagree that he’s better as a media figure. He was a formidable senator. He will not have enough of a platform as a media figure to lay waste to GOPers as he did in the senate. America’s loss IMO.

orleans

(34,051 posts)
33. thank you for posting this!
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 01:01 AM
Jul 2018


i've been thinking about al since kennedy made his i'm-outta-here announcement and how he'd kick ass over whoever was nominated. will anyone have the balls to ask these questions? i'm guessing no.

NBachers

(17,108 posts)
34. I read this all in Al's own voice. I miss Al Franken. We are worse without him. He'd have been a
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 01:07 AM
Jul 2018

national candidate, or a Secretary of a Cabinet-level department.

No support for those Democrats who sabotaged him out of the Senate. I will always remember.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
45. Al puplicly exposed & humiliated Gorsuch for the pedantic, rigid, heartless ideologue he is
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 04:00 AM
Jul 2018

Franken literally took the pompous hater, Gorsuch, to school over his dissenting opinion in a worker's rights case: Gorsuch wrote that a driver had the obligation to stay & freeze inside his employer's inoperable truck rather than go for help and shelter to save himself.

It was Gorsuch's lowest moment in his Confirmation Hearing. Franken was just being his usual effortlessly brilliant self, when he methodically laid bare Gorsuch's legal ignorance and emotional unfitness to be a judge anywhere

It wasn't just Franken's interrogation of Sessions that threatened the Republicans so much; Franken's Gorsch filetting terrified them maybe even more. .

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
48. I'm glad to hear from Sen. Al. And look forward to hearing from him more.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:27 AM
Jul 2018

Good points about Kavanaugh, and the process the repugs use to put freaks like him into power.

Paladin

(28,254 posts)
50. Sure would be nice for Franken to be asking these questions at a Senate hearing.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:33 AM
Jul 2018

Instead of lobbing them from the fucking sidelines.

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)
58. The GOP knew Franken was a threat to them.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:08 AM
Jul 2018

So they weaponized #metoo and ratfucked him. And Senate Democrats got suckered into the charade. This event remains a disgrace. And his seat has a good chance of falling into Republican hands this November.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
61. Sadly, Kavanaugh proved himself to be a republian liar
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:17 AM
Jul 2018

He may be billiant, but we sure as shit don't need another lying republican anywhere near the levers of power.

Maraya1969

(22,479 posts)
62. So one of our other Senators can ask these exact questions right? I'm hearing people say that
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:23 AM
Jul 2018

because Franken won't be there the questions won't be asked but I think the exact reason he published the questions is to get someone else to question them!

I didn't even hear that Kavanaugh said that bullshit about his
SCOTUS nomination being the most researched blah blah. But it sounds just like another Trump statement that was put in another Trump lackey's mouth. You can always tell when Trump is writing someone else's words.

Jimvanhise

(301 posts)
64. Only here
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:46 AM
Jul 2018

As far as I can tell Democratic Underground is the only site that will give Franken a voice as all of the other (liberal!) news sites ostracize him.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
66. I could actually envision Kamala Harris doing EXACTLY that questioning.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:18 AM
Jul 2018

Of course, Grassley will probably shut her down like he did during Gorsuch's testimony. And it wouldn't surprise me if Amy Klobuchar did this as well.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
67. Wecome, back, Al!
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:18 AM
Jul 2018

I'm hoping you have some cohorts in Congress who are smart enough to confer with you, as you have plenty to offer. Your insights are badly needed right now.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
70. This needs to be sent to Kirsten Gillibrand.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:35 AM
Jul 2018

Along with the demand that SHE ask them, since she lead the parade to chase him out.
Of course, that ain't gonna happen, but I'm willing to bet Kamala Harris will ask them!

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
71. Oh Al....what the Dems, forgodsake, did to you. 😫🤬
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:33 PM
Jul 2018

I will never feel good about Gilibrand and the rest of the bandwagon passengers again.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
75. Now that's how you get in their face!
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 01:16 PM
Jul 2018

Some dem senator, or two, need to run with this. Senator Gillibrand, are you listening?

 

Saguaro

(79 posts)
76. Of course Trump wrote it
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jul 2018

Last edited Sat Jul 14, 2018, 03:23 PM - Edit history (1)

"No president has ever consulted more widely, or talked with more people from more backgrounds, to seek input about a Supreme Court nomination". More widely? More people from more backgrounds? You can hear him saying it. I sincerely doubt Kavanaugh writes and speaks at a such simplistic, third grade level.

It's truly a shame that we let Franken get so easily steamrolled. We need his strength and conviction in the Senate now more than ever.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
86. Looking forward to seeing Roger Stone indicted.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:03 PM
Jul 2018

Part of his punishment or plea deal or whatever should be a full disclosure of his hand in the accusations against Franken.

It might be enough to resurrect Franken's political career. Even if it isn't I want Stone to pay first, then we will work out the costs others will have to bear for this political hit job.

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