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Archae

(46,322 posts)
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:40 AM Jul 2018

Most racists here in the US are white. BUT...

I just noticed the woman who used a chunk of concrete to beat the hell out of a 91 year old man, over literally nothing, is black.
(The victim is Hispanic)

Here in my own town, the most vicious racists are not whites.
They are Asians.
I've heard them using the n-word as much as an average KKK member does.

So what we have to do is teach our kids AND adults that no racism is "Ok."
It's wrong.

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Most racists here in the US are white. BUT... (Original Post) Archae Jul 2018 OP
I taught school for almost 20 years BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #1
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #2
it's all wrong but excuses are always made for certain white racists JI7 Jul 2018 #3
I see no 'excuses' being made for white racists -- I see them losing their Jobs whathehell Jul 2018 #4
I see that too from Roseanne & the Papa John guy Raine Jul 2018 #5
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #6
the cops who shot innocent black men are excused regularly JI7 Jul 2018 #7
I don't see the racism here. sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #16
Here's just one example of a black racist. Archae Jul 2018 #8
really? heaven05 Jul 2018 #10
Blacks CAN be racist. In addition to religious bigotry. Archae Jul 2018 #11
anything you say heaven05 Jul 2018 #13
Such people certainly exist, but they lack the advantage of white supremacy Major Nikon Jul 2018 #12
true heaven05 Jul 2018 #14
That is true and it is quite complex treestar Jul 2018 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author heaven05 Jul 2018 #9

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
1. I taught school for almost 20 years
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:51 AM
Jul 2018

And as we all know...it starts at home. Believe me...I have heard and seen a lot in the classroom and most of it is NOT pretty. In fact it is pretty scary.

Even when I taught my students about nutrition and healthy food choices their parents complained to me and the principal. It is really hard to undo what parents and the home environment do to kids and how it shapes their future beliefs and attitudes.

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JI7

(89,247 posts)
3. it's all wrong but excuses are always made for certain white racists
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 01:21 AM
Jul 2018

especially if they are rural , poor, or fit a certain "ideal" type of american.

we have talked a lot about how fucked up it it a majority of white women voted for trump and i notice many liberal white women agree with it and say they are racists.

but when it comes to white men it's always excuses.

the black woman will hopefully end up in prison for life and you wont have anyone defending it.

but look at how trump has pardoned Arpaio . and the Bundy thugs .

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
4. I see no 'excuses' being made for white racists -- I see them losing their Jobs
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 03:37 AM
Jul 2018

and, with all due respect, the kind of racism coming from the 'rural' white men you speak of is generally a matter of voting for Trump, or, at worst, verbal abuse.
Deplorable as that is, it's really Not in the same category as beating a 91 year old with a concrete block, I mean, please.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/us/elderly-man-beaten-attempted-murder-charge/index.html

Raine

(30,540 posts)
5. I see that too from Roseanne & the Papa John guy
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 03:44 AM
Jul 2018

right down to average people who get caught and exposed on someone's camera phone, they're ending up unemployed.

Response to Raine (Reply #5)

JI7

(89,247 posts)
7. the cops who shot innocent black men are excused regularly
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 04:51 AM
Jul 2018

Joe Arpaio was pardoned by Trump and most white people keep supporting trump and that involved physical abuse of minorities.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
16. I don't see the racism here.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 12:02 PM
Jul 2018
we have talked a lot about how fucked up it it a majority of white women voted for trump and i notice many liberal white women agree with it and say they are racists.


I don't get this saying it was racist that white women voted for Trump. I think it was because they hate to see another woman get ahead and because they wanted what they saw as a rich man with a bad boy persona in charge. Remember those trashy women wearing the shirts that said Trump could grab their P? Same type of woman. It isn't smart, but I never saw them voting for him as racist because there is no race issue with 2 same race candidates. Misogynistic, yes, but not racist.
This reminds me of romance novels I used to read as a kid. Not because I loved them, but because I loved to read and was out of real books in my small school library. I quit reading them when I decided the story was always the same and always involved a fellow that wasn't always a gentleman and was often a bad boy with a past getting a woman in spite of often treating her poorly. I quit reading those books, but there are a LOT of women that never stop. I think they enjoy seeing another woman suffer and I think that part of who they are is why they voted for Trump. JMO.

Archae

(46,322 posts)
8. Here's just one example of a black racist.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 08:39 AM
Jul 2018

A.k.a. Clarence Reams (original name)

Imam Abdul Alim Musa is a Muslim activist, director of Masjid Al-Islam in D.C., member of the Institute of Contemporary Islamic Thought, popular speaker and, perhaps most notably, founder and director of As-Sabiqun, an anti-Semitic Muslim group (more here) that advocates for the creation of a global Islamic state that would abolish all “man-made” forms of governance, as well as the Islamic Institute of Counter-Zionist American Psychological Warfare. If the name of the latter suggests unhinged anti-semitism and conspiracy mongering to you, then you are entirely correct. Sometimes considered something of a cult leader, Musa is an outspoken fan of the political Islam embodied by Ayatollah Khomeini, and has made several visits to Iran as a (self-appointed) representative of Muslims in the United States and supporter of the Islamic revival (he frequently appears on Iran’s anti-semitic Press TV).

http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2018/07/2041-abdul-alim-musa.html

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. really?
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:35 AM
Jul 2018

my take on hateful individuals such as this is that they are simply responding to white racism and/or exploiting it for their own bigoted and sometimes nefarious reasons. All hate is a despicable creation of human beings and all racism in amerika is the creation of the white race.

I find many are glad to point out an individual such as this with a see, see, he/she is a racist too. While forgetting why sometimes virulently hateful POC like this are in our society. I can point to trump as an outspoken fan and an enabler of white supremacy and white racist hate that has ALWAYS simmered right under the surface of an alleged all-inclusive society.

Trump is the same as the individual you have showcased here except he is a racist while your example is a virulently hateful bigot. I wouldn't be surprised if both trump and your showcased, prejudiced bigot show up in Charlottsville next month at the anniversary of the white racist riot in which a person was murdered, Ms Heather Heyer, and many, many counter-protesters injured.

No, the individual you showcased is a hateful, bigoted religious zealot, but not a racist. AA, no matter how hateful, cannot be a racist because and I state for the 10thousanth time, AA lack the systems and institutions to perpetuate hate and racism worldwide, as trump so made perfectly clear in his recent comments on immigration in England, London specifically and nationally.

Take a Ben Carson or Clarence Thomas, while working for a racist like a trump they are only self-hating bigots and not a racist. They are perfect examples of what I have stated. They are just overseeing(sounds familiar to me) the slaves in the cotton field for THEIR racist master. Self-hating bigots doing their racist master's will.

You have a good one.

Archae

(46,322 posts)
11. Blacks CAN be racist. In addition to religious bigotry.
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:27 AM
Jul 2018

This guy from the OP is a racist, he hates Jews. ALL Jews.

Sure they don't have "the systems."

But just look at the racists against blacks, who mostly if they are exposed lose their jobs, even their families.

I've seen blacks who are viciously racist against whites. Asians. Hispanics. Native Americans.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
13. anything you say
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:58 AM
Jul 2018

Last edited Sat Jul 14, 2018, 04:35 PM - Edit history (2)

yet it's just not true. Get used to that fact no matter how much you TRY to disagree. And as you mentioned many people and cultures in amerika are bigoted and prejudiced against ALL African-americans, I've had experience with it.

Racism in america these days, as has always been, is purely a tool devised to maintain white privilege and entitlement and an illusion of supremacy based on one factor, white skin color. Like it or not, that's it.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
12. Such people certainly exist, but they lack the advantage of white supremacy
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:42 AM
Jul 2018

They are far more likely to be ostracized for their bigotries. Racism perpetrated by whites is far more mainstream and far more likely to be tolerated, if not embraced by large segments of the population.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
15. That is true and it is quite complex
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:22 AM
Jul 2018

It is interesting to see a black anti-hispanic racist - they have "American citizen" privilege, I suppose. It is not mainstream though.

If I were black, I could have seen thinking that anti-Islamic racism a thing to join in - finally it's on somebody else and we're on the "right" (American) side. A bit of a relief. However, I never saw any real life examples, so its in my imagination.

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