Hillary's e-mails

[MaryMagdaline]

So ... is it safe to conclude that the most powerful international spy ring in the world, motivated and desperate to defeat Hillary and her pro-sanctions platform, with the world’s most proficient hackers on their payroll, aimed their sights on Hillary and came up with absolutely zero?

[NCTraveler]

1. They weaponized it.

There was only a realativley small window of time to rebut all of the propoganda that flooded the media. Specially the new media.

I get your point and it is a very important one. But what they really got from the emails and collateral damage was the Presidency. They got nothing yet fully succeeded.

[rainin]

2. The OP is pointing out that she was clean.

[MaryMagdaline]

5. Yes, reading this this am, I see my point was a bit obtuse

I am amazed that she is that clean. No one ever is.

But yes, they got the presidency with all the obfuscation, lies and deceit.

[Blue_true]

18. Exactly. The truth didn't matter.

They cast doubt and pulled in a lot of gullible people.

[Drake Notthesinger]

3. let's not forget

[MaryMagdaline]

7. Day that will live in infamy

[planetc]

4. Yes, precisely. And also ...

the FBI closely scrutinized each and every one of her emails for something like a year, and came up with ... zilch. Also, the independent counsel's office, under Kenneth Starr, closely scrutinized the White Water real estate deal for five years or so, and came up with ... Monica Lewinsky. I'm just pointing out that this is a pattern. Not only do the Clintons' political enemies expect to discover their wrongdoing, but they expect the Clintons to supply the evidence. Neither the Russians nor the Republican leadership have noticed that these investigations come up empty of proof of wrongdoing. Or perhaps they have noticed that it's not necessary to prove anything against the Clintons, because the media will convict them of unspecified untrustworthiness by pretending for months and years that there is something there to investigate. (No smoke without fire!) But the accusation of wrongdoing is enough these days for a conviction in the court of public opinion. The Republicans understand that if the media cooperate, public figures can be accused of fictitious crimes and the result will be the same as if they had actually been convicted. The kangaroo court of the press.

[MaryMagdaline]

6. Well said

[rainin]

9. The bad news is that trump supporters believe this is evidence of the deep state.

In the same way we believe crimes were committed by Bush / Cheney and no one was brought to justice, trump supporters believe that the justice department is full of Hillary supporters who will rewrite the law to give Hillary a pass.

I did a quick google search and came up with an example title of an article I won't post here: "FBI Rewrites Federal Law to Let Hillary Off the Hook."

According to them, she's dirty but teflon because she has supporters deep in the departments of government.

[MaryMagdaline]

10. Very true

But there weren’t even any NEW allegations regarding taxes, mortgages, the Foundation, not one specific allegation. That’s a lot of financial activity and no shadiness. No one errant check. No self-dealing, no using the Foundation monies for personal use. Shoot, even I have to write a check to my own company ftom time to time reimbursing travel or meals that should have been personal, or a combination (usually firm owes me but occasionally goes the other way). Pretty clean bill of health for Hillary.

[rainin]

11. I know that and you know that. Once again, we are faced with the very serious consequences

of propaganda. We aren't fighting people who know facts. They live in a fictional reality that stirs them up and makes them feel shit on. Everyone is out to make their lives miserable.

Our millionaires and billionaires need to take on Rubert Murdoch, Rush Limbaugh and the right wing think tanks.

[MaryMagdaline]

12. We are also fighting people on our side who voted for her

But still maintain she was a “deeply corrupt” candidate. I just had a major falling out with a lefty voter. She voted the right way but defended family members who either didn’t vote or voted Trump, saying that they were conflicted by Hillary’s corruption. I would like our voters to get a grasp on how they’ve been poisoned by the constant drum beat of “Crooked Hillary.”

[yardwork]

16. That's our biggest problem. That's what's taking down the country.

[rainin]

17. True. But, I think if we didn't have the far right media, then CNN, MSNBC, etc

would all be viewed as conservative, right wing media. CNN and MSNBC never supported Hillary. To hear progressive, liberal voices, you have to listen to podcasts or watch internet TV.

Corporations have historically supported republicans so that's where the media money goes. And media has a huge influence, even on "our side".

Change the media, change the conversation.

[yardwork]

20. It's not just the right wing media. Progressives are allowing themselves to be brainwashed too.

[rainin]

21. Timely that you make this point. I just heard the point made on Joy's show

that the russians (small r - no respect) believed trump would win. They had the infrastructure in place to insure that outcome. Part of the strategy (according to Joy's guest) to make the outcome believable was to convince Hillary supporters that Bernie supporters were against her even though that was largely untrue.

No one wants to believe he/she was duped by the russians, but I saw post after post, comment after comment on DU where Bernie supporters said they supported Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general. Yet, so many here, continued to promote the division.

Even in the last week, I've seen to OPs saying how white people are racists. Not "x white person is a racist". White PEOPLE are racists. I know DU has it's share of provocateurs, but this upset me anyway.

We must be on guard of those who would divide.

[MaryMagdaline]

22. We definitely are

[Hortensis]

13. Totally clean of actionable wrongdoing for 25 years,

which of course is why they had to create a special standard just for Hillary that no one could meet.

[MaryMagdaline]

14. Perfect

[yardwork]

15. Decades of investigations on the Clintons yielded... Monica Lewinsky.

A decade of investigations on the Obamas yielded nothing.

As Democrats, we should be proud of our leadership. Instead, we are easily intimidated.

[MaryMagdaline]

19. We really are. Just incredible