He can courtesy to the Saudi King but not bow to the English Queen?

[Soph0571]

He tried to strongman the Queen
Kept her waiting
Refused to bow
Walked in front of her in a serious breach of protocol

Guarantee he did not try and pull that shit with Kim
He certainly gave that really odd half bow half courtesy to the Saudis
Pretty sure he will be on time for Putin

He is a insecure little fucker who tried to make himself feel good by trying to treat a 92 year old lady as somehow less than him. She is the QUEEN for fucks sake

What a complete and utter wanker

[whathehell]

1. Huh?

Trump's a rude POS, but Americans aren't "subjects" and I'm not sure they're expected to "bow" or "curtsey" to anyone.

Back in the '80s the queen the US and a couple of silly politically connected women 'curtseyed" to the Queen and were laughed at by the press.

[GaYellowDawg]

23. Not required, no.

But he was in England. Rude not to extend that courtesy. And given how strong an ally that the U.K. has been to us over the years, bowing is a courtesy that any president should feel compelled to do.

[whathehell]

25. No, and

not even expected, actually.

Trump is s a rude POS, but, along with others here, I diagree that courtesy mandated a bow on his part.

[GaYellowDawg]

26. Fair enough.

I just think it's the kind of thing that can help and costs us nothing. But I can see where you're coming from.

[whathehell]

29. Ok, cool. n/t

[EffieBlack]

31. It is not appropriate for heads of state (or their spouses) to formally bow and curtsy to each other

The president of the United States is not expected to bow or curtsy to anyone since they are considered peers of every other head of state. But it is not uncommon for a male head of state to dip his head slightly when greeting another head of state - particularly a woman - in the way that most men do when greeting others, as a sign of respect.

So Trump not formally bowing to the Queen is not a breach of protocol. But his failure to show her any sign of respect - and his insistence on practically elbowing her out of the way when reviewing her own troops is, sadly but typically, about as boorish a move as one would expect from a rude, ignorant boor like him.

[Cha]

2. Feckless Fucked Up Wanker! He Bullied

the 92 year old Queen of England. I'm sure the Brits took note.

I guess he was trying to make putin proud. And, that sleazy I don't care Gaslighiting wife of his.

Thanks, Soph!

[mcar]

24. You know the Brits took notice

Wanker.

[Cha]

39. Yeah, like they didn't loathe the wanker

enough before he bullied their 92 year old Queen Elizabeth.

Link to tweet

[smirkymonkey]

3. +1000

God I fucking hate him!

[bitterross]

4. He's not gonna bow to a woman.

Misogynistic prick won't bow to a woman, of course.

[whathehell]

9. I'm not sure Americans are expected to "bow" or "curtsy"

to foreign royalty.

When the queen was in the States in the early '80s a couple of political wives curtsied to her. They were soundly ridiculed for it.

[bitterross]

13. You are correct. No head of state should do that for another actually.

You are, of course, correct. No head of state should really bow to another head of state. The issue at hand here, though, is really just making fun of him for what he did in Saudi Arabia and pointing out he's a misogynist again.

[whathehell]

18. That's right..

and I understand your point, I just think it's important to keep our facts straight.

[CTyankee]

19. I wondered the same thing...

How did Barack and Michelle greet her?

[Horse with no Name]

21. Obama bowed. n/t

[csziggy]

22. They both shook hands with her

Of course, since the Obamas are both tall and Queen Elizabeth II is very short, they sort of had to bow to do so.

[whathehell]

32. I don't know,

but it's neither required or expected, despite the mistaken what a couple.of anglophiles here seem to think.

[CTyankee]

36. I think we are ALL Anglophiles here, in a way, after this disgraceful performance by our

horrible president.

God help us.

[whathehell]

38. Well then, we may as well all become Germanophiles, too

since he's as bad (or worse) with Angela Merkel...He's bad with Americans -- Look at how he's treated John McCain, in whose presence he doesn't even deserve to stand?..He's an awful human being.
I doubt I'm alone in stating that I've been unable to relax since the day he was elected -- I am LIVING to see his ass out of office.

[CTyankee]

40. Me, too.

I remember a trip I had to Europe during the Bush II years and I felt I should apologize for this awful guy. Little did I know that Trump would be worse.

I keep envisioning scenarios that would take us out of this nightmare...

[whathehell]

41. Interesting, because I went to Europe during the Bush years as well

but rather than apologize, I bought a T shirt that did it for me. It said "I'm sorry my president is an idiot. I didn't vote for him" in four languages.

Since I'm planning another trip there this summer, I started looking for it, but I guess I threw it out, thinking I wouldn't need it anymore.


My trip is in late August -- I'm hoping that the Mueller investigation will have him at least half out the door by then..

[braddy]

30. Correct, Americans don't bow.

[EffieBlack]

34. This reminds me a lovely, but heartbreaking story about Jacqueline Kennedy

Before John and Jacqueline Kennedy met Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip in 1961, Mrs. Kennedy asked Angier Biddle Duke, the Chief of Protocol, whether she should curtsy. Duke told her, "No. You're the wife of a head of state and heads of state and their wives don't go around bowing and curtsying to each other."

Two years later, after President Kennedy's funeral, Mrs. Kennedy received guests in the family quarters. Prince Phillip was among them (Queen Elizabeth didn't attend the funeral because she was very pregnant). When Prince Phillip approached Mrs. Kennedy, she dropped him a curtsy. Ambassador Duke, who was standing nearby, was shocked because, he said, she rarely got her protocol wrong.

Noting the surprised look on Duke's face, Mrs. Kennedy whispered to him, "But Angie, I am no longer the wife of a head of state."

Duke said he had to excuse himself to go to another room to weep, the first time he cried after the assassination.

That story still makes me cry.

[phylny]

12. Can't stand the fool, but he's under no obligation to bow to her.

She's not our monarch. He was, however, just as much of a buffoon there as he is here. Cannot BELIEVE he left her waiting for over 15 minutes.

[bitterross]

14. Of course, you are correct.

I'm just bloviating again about what a horrible person he is and took the opportunity. That's all.

[phylny]

15. It's okay. I enjoyed the bloviating.

He's such an embarrassment in every way.

[PatSeg]

5. Shit

He couldn't even bother to button his stupid jacket for the Queen.

[pansypoo53219]

6. buttoned jacket would show his widening girth.

[PatSeg]

7. Leaving it open and flapping around

only makes him look larger. Also it looks like he slept in that suit. Such a slob.

[SammyWinstonJack]

8. The so-called billionaire wears off the rack ill fitting suits, many say

[PatSeg]

10. I wouldn't be surprised

For someone who is so critical about other people's appearances, he apparently never looks in the mirror.

[BlueMTexpat]

11. Ah, but never forget!

IOKIYAR

And besides, the Queen of England is a woman. She's probably lucky that he didn't try a pu$$y grope or a power grab, at least. He used a power grab on PM May.

Such a POS he is!

[WillowTree]

16. Curtsy.

[oberliner]

17. Bow to the English queen?

Is this meant as parody?

[Soph0571]

20. No

You want to meet the Queen then meet the protocol - otherwise don't meet her. It is not hard.

[whathehell]

28. Yes.

The "protocol" you describe is required of British subjects, not American heads of state -- Sorry if that disappoints you, but I'm afraid it is the case.

[heaven05]

27. whoa! forgot about that

exactly

[DrDan]

33. he was rude for walking in front of her - but he did not keep her waiting - he arrived

at 4:59 and was to be there at 5:00. The Queen arrived early.

[GulfCoast66]

35. I might give a polite tip of my head like I do when shaking hands at a formal introduction

But damn if I will bow to anyone in respect for their ‘lineage’. Don’t want the US President doing it either.

Now in Asia where a bow is good manners and everyone bows to each other, that is another story.

This one time he did not fuck up. Then he turns and walked in front of her totally ignoring good protocol and manners. Hell, I always let a my wife, mother, sister etc go first. It’s called manners.

[3catwoman3]

37. After being stationed in Japan for...

...2 years with the Air Force nurse corps, I was quite accustomed to bowing. Pretty much any social interaction involved that polite gesture.

It took me weeks to stop bowing in grocery and department stores at the end of my transactions. I got some pretty strange looks, and I sometimes wondered if people thought I was having some sort of seizure.