Former US Navy JAG says it is very likely the 2016 election result is illegitimate

[iluvtennis]

@PamKeithFL

Mueller seems to be slowly doling out pieces of the puzzle to allow us to get our heads around it in a methodical way. But I can see where all of this is going, the VERY REAL likelihood that the election was “rigged” in the true sense & that the result is illegitimate.

@politico

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said Russian hackers targeted local election boards, infiltrated a company that supplies software for voting machines, and stole sensitive information on about 500,000 American voters

Link to tweet

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@PamKeithFL
Democratic candidate for Florida's 18th Congressional District, former US Navy JAG, experienced litigator & expert on workplace law. BC Law School Grad.

[Iliyah]

1. K & R

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

2. Expanding on that,

I hope we can make precedent and unwind all that has been done as illegitimate as well.

[Sherman A1]

3. That would be nice

I wonder what the process would look like in order to accomplish this? While I completely agree that it should occur, it seems to be something of unknown territory.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

5. Yes.

I've thought the same thing. No precedent for it is there. But, how can we, as a people be saddled w decisions made to explicitly undermine America? To let them stand seems like we accept the decisions as rational, and meant to make our lives better. Which...they aren't and won't..ever. ESPECIALLY the SCJ. Merrick Garland seems the obvious replacement. It's an equitable and fair thing to do. neil gorsuch....(The Hee Haw/Gosh and Golly Jurist) needs to be sent packing. Imho.
Good Morning Sherman.


****ADD..The purging of Govt. Databases needs to be restored immediately. Climate, Womens Rights, and Health especially.

[Sherman A1]

8. I agree and want to see the world returned to something resembling normal

just wonder what the process would be. I am thinking that it would have to be a combined Congressional, Judicial and possibly including the State Level (after all we have 50 state elections, not a federal one) series of actions which would establish a precedent for the future. What those would be remains unanswered.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

11. i concur whole heartedly.

[Old Crow]

61. Frankly, I don't think a do-over will ever occur.

Regardless of the merits, I don't see it happening. It would take a level of outrage on the part of the American populace that I haven't seen since the time of the Vietnam War protests. Americans seem to have become numb and complacent. I mean, certainly, you can find outrage here on DU. But if you walk into your local supermarket or Walmart and ask people how upset they are with the fact that the Russians interfered with our elections? You'll get a shrug from most of them and a "Fake news!" from the rest.

[triron]

65. I think you are right. It's a bad sign.

[Vladimir_tRump]

69. Maybe Not

Your comment made me register here. I have been lurking for quite a while.

So here we go.....

Back after Bone Spur "won," I quickly bought two "FUCK TRUMP" hats. One in bold red lettering, the other featuring AK 47s for the "F" and "K." For about a year I was "low key" and only wore the "AK stylized" hat. My reasoning was that people had to actually think about what it says.

Other than to my doctor's office, I wore it everywhere.

ESPECIALLY in the land of the lost: WALMART. Where there used to be a lot of vehicles with 'tRump" bumper stickers. Those have mostly disappeared now....

Anyway, I expected trouble and instead all I got were smiles and "high fives." Not ONE - EVER - bad comment at all. LOTS of attention from other shoppers. ALL supportive. Even Walmart employees recognize me and smile.

Okay. Things are much worse now. So the stylized "AK" hat was replaced with the "FUCK TRUMP" hat and the response has been even MORE positive. No b.s. about "I don't want my kids reading that" or anything.......

To your point......

Yesterday I was in Frys (A Kroger store) and this older guy bellows out "OH YEAH! I GOTTA HAVE A HAT LIKE THAT!" Then he went on a tirade about the "fucking commie" going to meet his "master" in Moscow. Sorry for the language. But that's what HE was saying right there in the store. And he went on and on about treason, and stealing the election. etc.

What's really interesting is he was older, like me, we both look like we could be lawn ornaments on John McAnus' front yard. (Sorry. He's my "senator," and yeah I know he's dying and all but that doesn't wipe clean his record as a tool of whomever slips him the most money. He's a real piece of work.....).


The newer more brazen hat has met with even more positive responses from everyone. Went into a Feed and Tack store and this older woman was coming down the steps, she looks at me and starts roaring. "I LOVE YOUR HAT" she exclaims.

Support is almost universal across all age groups. I think the younger people are really depressed because they don't see a real nice future ahead for them.

I think the boiling point is there. It's like a room filled with gasoline vapors. WHAT will it take to set things off?

And this in Aridzona: the land that time forgot, the Mississippi of the desert. Very racist state. Phoenix is one of like 2 major cities that voted RED. Tucson votes blue every time. Look how long it took to get rid of Joke Arpaio, and I see signs for that POS out all over the place. Running for Senator or something.... Jeff Flake? Don't get me started.....

EVERY election time there are so many empty (D) spots on the ballot for local and state offices. You have a choice of (R) (like right now, they are all over the place) or (L) (libertarians are just republicans who want to smoke dope and get laid).

Signing off for now.

But think of a way to light that fuse. I guarantee things will ignite!

[Old Crow]

70. Welcome! I'm glad you've registered for the site...

... and I'm flattered to hear that my last comment may have had something to do with it.

I was surprised by your anecdotes regarding your hats. I find that encouraging. I really do hope people are ready to respond and say, finally, "Enough is enough!"

One thing you mentioned in particular has caught my attention: Like you, I'm not seeing any Trump signs anywhere of late. They seem to have all disappeared. I'm in Pennsylvania, about 45 minutes west of Philadelphia, and there were plenty of signs of Trump support two years ago.

Here is an article with charts showing Trump's approval ratings by state (green = approval, red = disapproval). While his approval has dropped, as of last month, Floridians and Texans still seem to love him. Some people will never wake up, I don't think. Or perhaps I should say: Some people are in complete agreement with the bigotry, anti-intellectualism, and hatred that others are finally seeing in Trump.

[ChazInAz]

75. Welcome!

I'm in Tucson.

[Rhiannon12866]

77. Thank you so much for the encouraging report from your part of the country!

We need all the positive news we can find, these days. Welcome to DU and thanks for such a great first post!

[mountain grammy]

4. Republicans are traitors

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

6. GM Gram.

never thought I'd see the day.

[rwsanders]

73. Been that way since sometime before WW2. Shrub's g-pa plotted to overthrow FDR

[Sunlei]

7. Republicans are traitors

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

9. Everything should be undone...

All actions taken by an illegitimate politician should be dismissed in entirety. Every Executive Order is illegitimate. Unfortunately I can understand if it was not directly ordered by the Terrorist Traitor that the actions may have to stand.
Since this has never happened before there is no prescedent to follow. New territory means a very bumpy ride and quite likely outcomes that may not satisfy most of people with beliefs like we have at DU.

[bucolic_frolic]

10. A thorough review by a legitimate incumbent, and legitimate Congress

as you say, no precedent. Unanticipated. So no Constitutional restrictions on starting afresh either.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

16. Yes. We are 2/3rds.

Frankly, I'm tired of the other side who are going to be all revealed as gop/russian traitors even acting like they are trying to do things fairly. Imho, they've lost the right to say. An Omnibus bill returning us to Pres Obamas last day, seems like a fair start. Us being "fair' with the gop has only allowed them to get twice as ugly and get away w more. At some point their voices don't count. Cost of treason I'd say.
Good morning NE1.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

28. Good morning Crutchez.

What’s your opinion on the Presidency? Back to the last legitimate President for an interim leader till a fair election take place or the Contender in the last election? Of course, the first option would be Obama the second, Clinton.

IMHO, I believe it would have to be the last legit President since the election was compromised.
I’d love to see Hillary but think it would lead to major troubles.

Or would it be better to install an Opposition (Democrat) Leader. The Republicans are tainted so the person should not come from that party?

Or to follow the established line of succession with who ever is left?

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

33. All good questions.

A special election nationwide would have to be held. Pres Obama sounds great. I think it's also fair that the real winner of the election take her spot. Just bc they cheated on her doesn't mean she shouldn't get what she earned. But, that's just me. I think it's high time we as a nation stopped worrying about the elusive worry that "the other side' will come unglued. I think we should stamp out this evil. If they want civil unrest, lets get it on.the police will have to be on the law and order side...that being us. I think a lot of people want proof, and the house of cards will fall. Hopefully forever. We have a lot of work to do. Climate change and infrastructure are two big ones in my mind. Put people to work FDR style.
We have lived under a threat from these heathens violence for way too long inmho. It's led to all of this in a lo tof ways. They talk ugly...and they get what they want by threat of violence.
I want my country back, and I'm getting old. Time is limited.

[onetexan]

76. If 2016 was declared an illegitimate election

Hillary must be installed as the rightful winner and allowed a full 4-year term. There is no other fair way to repair the injustice done to her and to the country.

[FakeNoose]

40. Yes! When the adults take back the reins

[Blue_true]

45. Unfortunately, we have no constitutional lever for what you propose.

Nothing beats voters that keep themselves informed and don't allow themselves to get distracted by shiny objects. If we had that, Trump would not be President.

No system will work as long as voters as a group allow themselves to be decoyed.

Trump will be gone soon enough, the effect of his actions will linger longer. What I am more concerned about are the 63 million Americans that voted for that immoral fool, a lot of those people are going to be around for awhile, it is them that I am the most disgusted with and feel should be pushed out of society.

[Rebl2]

12. Why

after all these years of calling Putin the enemy, have so many Republicans become communist sympathizers and Putin puppets.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

17. Check this out from Sam Seder.. Majority Report at the teachers Convention

How long has this been going on? Puts all tea party traitors in question as well. We need a clean sweep.

[karin_sj]

35. That was really interesting

I love Sam Seder. It is so interesting that Louie Gohmert studied in in the Soviet Union when he was younger. It makes me wonder, since Strzok was so involved in uncovering the sleeper cell Russians (some who were posing as Americans for decades) in our country, if he knows something about Gohmert. Hence the quizzical, slightly disgusted look (not smirk) that stupid Gohmert was ranting about.

The Republicans who colluded with and/or accepted money from Russia are desperately trying to stop the investigation and are doing anything and everything they can to protect themselves. This hypocritical, outrageous show they put on was purely so that Fox News to pick and choose the footage of the narrative they're trying to promote to their viewers. The Republicans questioning Strzok obviously had that in mind the entire time.

They are traitors to our country and the sooner they are exposed, the better.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

37. Welcome to DU.

I agree with you. Good voice!

[maddiemom]

48. Agree. I never knew Gohmert was an exchange student in Russia, either.

It led me to look him up. No way that this hayseed-sounding clown, with no sense of decorum, could have his background, worldly experience; even scholarships. I knew he, at least, had a law degree, but,still... Maybe he was just playing to his constituents? Now I feel that there must be something far more sinister behind him . An (old time) Soviet "Sleeper?" May be nothing so dramatic, BUT, there definitely has to be a serious agenda behind his facade; and it isn't a good one for most of us. Welcome to D.U.,_sj!

[LittleGirl]

13. I haven't believed for a second that

they didn't change the results of the elections, primary or general.
Why would they stop at the general election?
They didn't.
He is an illegitimate potus.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

18. I completely agree.

To allow them their gains would be ludicrous

[EndGOPPropaganda]

29. Sen GOP majority is illegitimate too.

Toomey won by a hair in a state the Russians targeteted (PA). Same in MO, WI, MI.

The senate Republican majority is illegitimate.

Throw out the illegitimate judges, after we clean out the traitors and criminals.

[stuffmatters]

62. R. Johnson over Feingold in 2016 reeked as did Tillis'(NC) & Gardener's (Co) wins in 2014.

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Extremist uncharismatic Repugs squeaked through to defeat 3 popular sitting Dem Senators in purple to lean Dem states. . Notice they 3 Repugs who "won" were heavily funded by NRA/Putin dark money. Wasn't surprised Johnson was front & center in the recent Senatorial Putin Tribute Junket.

[EndGOPPropaganda]

71. So ALL THE TRUMP JUDGES are illegitimate

Like Roger Maris and Barry Bonds, they are

Judges*
Or
Justices-with-an-asterisk


Justice Asterisk Gorsuch


We must impeach them all.

[stuffmatters]

74. !!!They're all"fruits of the same poisonous tree" IMHO

[LittleGirl]

80. Yes!

throw the bums out!

[karin_sj]

43. Exactly

Who believes that they were just going in there to look around and leave without doing a thing? And we won't know for sure because we have no way to check what the votes actually were and the three companies who make the voting machines don't seem to care.

And on top of all that, last February right after Trump got into officer, this happened:

"House Republicans Just Voted to Eliminate the Only Federal Agency That Makes Sure Voting Machines Can’t Be Hacked"

https://www.thenation.com/article/house-republicans-just-voted-to-eliminate-the-only-federal-agency-that-makes-sure-voting-machines-cant-be-hacked/

Pretty depressing. That's why we have to have a mega-turnout of Democratic voters this November, because we'll be fighting hacked election machines, voter suppression, Russian bots and other instigators trying to divide us, and who knows what else.

[mopinko]

14. at the very least, throw out his eo's and other "orders"

which are not legitimate anyway. like the trade tariffs, and horrific policy at the border.
all the "kingly" acts should fall.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

19. And the SCJ

imbroglio. Kennedy conspired w a russian plant to retire and give away the SC. That's far from equitable and fraudulent in my mind. That's just me though. Good morning mopinko.

[mopinko]

22. would be great to impeach the both of them.

turtle was in on it from jump street. hell, may he swing as well. who knows what his involvement was?

maybe lots of people will resign in disgrace. we can hope that there will be some acts of decency which will surprise us all.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

24. They have knowingly took NRA money they knew was tainted...

and that in itself should doom many of them. Fingers crossed.
Abolish the NRA once and for all for crimes against humanity and espionage on the USA>

[mopinko]

26. works for me.

[Lib4lif3]

64. This, at a minimum.

[malaise]

15. On November 10 2016 I stated that the elections were stolen and

History would absolve me.
I'm glad I'm alive to see the truth emerge.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

20. I remember waking up the next day w a very sick feeling. I thought the same.

Good morning my friend.

[malaise]

23. Good morning my friend

[OMGWTF]

50. I literally threw up when I learned Trump "won" the election.

[murielm99]

57. I waited until the next morning to throw up,

because I got stinkin' drunk when the election "results" were announced.

[MontanaMama]

79. It was the worst night ever in my

23 year marriage. I remember looking at my husband and saying “OMG. It’s happening. This election is being stolen before our eyes.” He then told me to “relax”. It was game on at that point. Horrible night and even worse morning after...for all of us.

[gademocrat7]

21. Treason weasels

[drray23]

25. i dont think its what rosenstein said exactly.

He said that they infiltrated companies that makes software to manage and run elections such as the registration of voters.
He did not say that they went after the actual software that is in the voting machines.

Still, its obviously bad enough that it could have swayed the election. Being able to change or invalidate the registration of democrats in tightly contested districts like in Wisconsin and the like may have been enough .

[mythology]

30. People hear what they want to hear

Just like they ignore that the recounts that occurred in Wisconsin and Pennsylvania by hand didn't differ from the original counts from machine counters by any significant margin.

They ignore that the national polls were more accurate than in 2012.

[questionseverything]

56. you are incorrect

http://bradblog.com/?p=12386

Recently, they were allowed to review those ballots and, as they feared, many perfectly valid votes had gone uncounted by the optical-scan systems both during the original Election Night tally and the so-called "recount" in counties that used the same faulty computer scanners for the second count, after they had similarly mistallied ballots on Election Night.

I'm joined on today's show by longtime election integrity advocate and WIE's statewide coordinator KAREN McKIM to discuss the group's findings, revealing that the ballot scanning computers used in some 57 municipalities across the state had failed to tally anywhere from 2% to 6% of the ballots with valid Presidential votes in each of the Racine precincts they were allowed to examine a week or so ago. In other WI cities which chose to count by hand during Stein's "recount", McKim tells me, those same scanners had originally missed anywhere from 9% to 30% of valid Presidential votes! All of that in a state which Donald Trump is said to have won last year by less than 1%.

"They were ignored by the voting system entirely," says McKim, "and that's what made the miscount - or should have made the miscount obvious to the election officials even before they certified. You could look at those election results that the voting machines spit out on their face and you could see that hundreds of votes were just missing. If you compared the total number of ballots cast to the total number of presidential votes counted, you should have known --- they should have known --- that two percent of the voters didn't go to the polls so that they could cast a blank ballot. The miscounts were obvious at the time of the canvas, and the county officials did nothing about it."

[questionseverything]

58. wrong about pa too

http://bradblog.com/?p=11944

But the situation is far worse in Pennsylvania, where voters in most of the state are forced to vote on 100% unverifiable touch-screen systems and the state's arcane "recount" statutes require tens of thousands of voters to file affidavits (3 in each precinct) asking for such counts.

Longtime election integrity champion and VotePA.us founder Marybeth Kuznik joins us with details on what is now going on in the Keystone state towards that end, and to help explain the insanity of the state's unverifiable voting systems and the near-incomprehensibility of its "recount" laws.

"Pennsylvania election law is so convoluted," she tells me, while explaining the requirements for three voters in each of the state's 9,163 precincts (that's 27,489 voters!) to file a complaint in order to have a statewide voter-initiated count. She also explains the second route towards such a count, which requires 100 voters to file in the Commonwealth Court.

In either case, since much of the state uses unverifiable touch-screens, there is often nothing at all to count, even if a count is allowed! "They'll print out the Election Night tapes. They'll bring out some sort of a printout from the central tabulator. Usually they just bring out results. They look at the precinct tape, they look at the precinct printout, they go 'Hmm, that looks the same to me!', and everything's good. That's the recount!," Kuznik explains. "The thing is, of course it's going to be 'good'. The same software that counted on Election Night and printed out that tape is what's counting and printing out this result paper that they compare. It's nuts. It's just crazy."

As you'll hear, it's even worse than I've described it here. But, that's how it still works (or doesn't) in PA, after all of these years, and even in light of a forensic analysis by computer scientists of just one PA county voting system in 2011, after vote-flips were reported and candidates received zero votes in several elections in heavily-Republican Venango County. (See our exclusive special report and documents here.) That landmark study found, among other disturbing things, as we reported at the time: "unexplained, out-of-sequence activity log entries in the computer tabulation system, indications that the system was mounted several times with a 'USB flash drive' device, and, perhaps most troubling, evidence that the system was repeatedly accessed by an unidentified remote computer, for lengthy periods of time, on 'multiple occasions.'"

[kcr]

42. So you have evidence someone broke into your house

It doesn't mean they actually took anything! Jeeze, some people just wanna hear what they wanna hear!

[Rene]

55. If they have the URL for the voter registration server.....they have the vote tally server url also

[uponit7771]

78. That's worse !! Cause then they can affect ALL of the machines

[Achilleaze]

27. Th KGOP is illegitimate and anti-American

out to weaken America

[milestogo]

31. Hillary should be inaugurated and allowed to serve a full 4 year term.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

36. I'd be happy as hell w that!

[Meadowoak]

32. The government will never touch that third rail of admitting that the vote totals were hacked,

At least not until after Trump is out of office! They fear that if we knew for fact that the election was stolen (again), we would take to the streets. Another civil war is just around the corner. And that would be enough to ignite it. IMO.

[thucythucy]

34. This message needs to be pounded home

with at least the same dedication as the KGOP effort to discredit Mueller.

We need more Democratic leaders, and prominent talking heads to go on every news program and hit this point again and again.

It won't sink in to the general public without constant repetition,

[NRaleighLiberal]

38. Of course the election was stolen? Many of us here knew this by 9 PM on election night

Why it is so hard for so many to allow their minds to "go there" has to be because of fear - they just can't allow themselves the reality of how screwed we are.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

51. It was a sick feeling.

And literally everyone around me. Dumbfounded. That was our victory lap, and they just stole it. Simple as that.

[Marthe48]

39. If it is possible to pinpoint when russia

breached the local election boards, infiltrated a software company, and stole information, rewind to there-look at all the races and who was prevailing at that time and then, inexplicably faltered.

I believe that many of the election results were rigged. It is ridiculous that so many races have double digit differences, that for some reason narrow, until every race becomes a neck and neck horse race. I read of people examining the results and saying which things look funky, but those people and their stated results are ignored, minimized or dismissed as conspiracy. Look back to several small villages in Michigan, where 95 to 110% of people voted in the 2016 election. Results like that don't sound realistic.

Unless everything from early 2016 forward is a big show to flush out the rot, and HRC is really president, there is going to be hell to pay. And we might be able to go back further, and look at teabaggers who got in 2010 and despite complete incompetence, stayed in.

We can certainly go back to the Gore v. Bush and know that repukes want to win so bad they really will do anything and damn what's good for America.

[McKim]

41. How and When Will Democratic Leadership Frame This for the Public

How and When will our Democratic Party leadership frame this for the public? I hope they are conferring and will get their new product out by Labor Day. I for one am ready to hit the streets way out in the burbs where my state Republican Party has its headquarters in a comfortable business park, far from the city center where our demos usually take place. I am buying a new megaphone for summer and fall activities. The new ones are really good.

[SunSeeker]

44. K & R for exposure.

[Raastan]

46. K + R

[Rene]

47. Actual vote switching isn't that difficult

I support distributed batch scheduling on servers for a bank. Its all about switching url's...virtual names. coding same name programs on two servers..one legit and one rogue with vote flipping pgming. A simple batch script can change which url the 'program' is executing on.....and simply switch it back with votes flipped. I believe that's what was done in 2009 with Ohio Secy Of State's computers and RNC computers in Chattanooga...around 10pm. Need to get to server logs to see it...otherwise people watching screens can't 'see' it happening..

[questionseverything]

60. i am sure you mean 2004

it isn't really "flipping"

more like a pre determined result

but yes in simple terms, a false pre determined result "page" is just released instead of the actual page

[triron]

67. I agree 100%, but there are even some here on DU that insist our elections were not tampered with.

The general public will cling to the fantasy that elections are fair in the good ol' USA.

[DesertRat]

49. K&R

[roamer65]

52. So was 2000 and 2004.

We have had 3 stolen elections in 16 years time.

Time for major electoral reform. Presidential election needs to be a runoff system.

[Pachamama]

53. Likely? I am pretty certain it was and it will be proven.....

Hopefully sooner rather than later and before its too late.....

[erpowers]

54. Pam Keith For Supreme Court

Whether or not she wins her race she should be looked at for a Supreme Court pick the next time a Democrat wins the White House.

[mudstump]

59. Dear democratic leadership...

Come on dems..Trump is an illegitimate president ...NO Supreme Court nom. We need to take to the streets and dem leadership needs to come out enforce.

[kacekwl]

63. When it happens, and it will all the traitors need to be given the choice.

Public hanging on the Washington mall or life in prison if you also spill the beans on ALL that you know. They need to be made an example of so it hopefully is not tried again. Also Russia will be slapped with severe sanctions and charged in the world court.

[GoCubsGo]

66. How many Congresspeople and Senators are illegitimate, as well?

And, governors and other state elected officials throughout the country? It's becoming more and more obvious that the 2016 election was a sham, at least in places like WI, MI, PA, NC and FL. I doubt it can be reversed in any way, but those who were illegitimately-installed need to be identified, so that they can be legitimately removed during the next election.

[Honeycombe8]

68. Of course it is. But the govt will NEVER tell us that.

Even if they can determine that, which is doubtful. They will later say that they didn't want the public to lose trust in our election system. Too late.

Besides, what could be done about it? The Russian Puppet has been in office 2 years and has done a lot of damage. If the results are false, that's not a reason to impeach him. And the Repubs won't do that, anyway. They have a bromance going w/Trump. A deal. You get fame and fortune, and we get fortune. To hell with the country.

[Cha]

72. And, that's what we've been saying for over

a year!

Mahalo, ILT