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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:04 AM Jul 2018

It's Not a Liberal Fantasy to Ask if Trump Committed Treason

From May, but more important than ever.

It’s Not a Liberal Fantasy to Ask if Trump Committed Treason
This is a fairly simple case. Why aren’t more people comfortable seeing it?
Tom Coleman
05.17.18 5:24 AM ET

Tom Coleman is a former Republican Member of Congress
from Missouri and an attorney. He has served as an adjunct professor of government at New York University’s Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service and at American University.


Under the Constitution an individual commits treason if the nation is at war and the person provides aid and comfort to the enemy. This is an impeachable offense, committed by word or deed. It's one that individuals need to start grappling with seriously because it is not some far-fetched liberal fantasy to conclude that Donald Trump may have committed treason.

In fact, the case is fairly simple to make.


The U.S. intelligence community’s assessment of Russian activities in the 2016 presidential election concluded that Russia tried to influence the outcome through the dissemination and weaponization of information stolen from the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee. The thirteen Russian operatives indicted by the Special Counsel for waging a disinformation campaign through our social media platforms and other internet media, described their activity as “information warfare against the United States of America.”

The question we must now ask is were these Russian cyber attacks merely crimes on a massive scale, or, as cyber expert George Lucas asks, do they represent something different — acts of war? And if a state of war existed between the two nations, could the actions and comments of Donald Trump and his campaign officials therefore be considered treasonable?

The first question is highly technical. International IT security experts have developed several analytical models to assess whether or not the damage caused by a cyber attack rises to the level of an armed attack. They have developed an “effects-based” approach, a model which gives consideration to the overall effects and consequences of a cyber attack on a victim state. For example, a cyber manipulation of information across a state’s banking and financial institutions that significantly disrupts commerce would be viewed as an armed attack.

Another model is one of “strict liability” that would automatically deem any cyber attack against a state’s critical national infrastructure to be an armed attack based on its potential for severe consequences. The validity of these models has been confirmed by the Pentagon’s usage of them in its recent draft recommendations on how the U.S. would respond to significant foreign cyber attacks.

Based on either one of these models, Russia’s cyber attack was an act of war. They significantly disrupted and damaged our Constitutional infrastructure in an attempt to undermine the foundation of U.S. democracy. They were of sufficient scope, duration and intensity to deem them armed attacks. Clearly, they meet the international criteria of an armed attack and an act of war against the United States.


Now for the second question.

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-not-a-liberal-fantasy-to-ask-if-trump-committed-treason

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It's Not a Liberal Fantasy to Ask if Trump Committed Treason (Original Post) babylonsister Jul 2018 OP
The flaw in the argument is: "if Trump committed" brooklynite Jul 2018 #1
Mueller is working his way up. I would not be at all babylonsister Jul 2018 #2
Treason may be difficult to prove, but I disagree with your analysis that it may not be reaonable to still_one Jul 2018 #3
Per Malcolm Nance, he was/is a "witting asset" babylonsister Jul 2018 #4

brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
1. The flaw in the argument is: "if Trump committed"
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:08 AM
Jul 2018

It's factual that Russia attempted to interfere in our election process. It is NOT yet factual that Donald Trump had anything to do with. I find it perfectly reasonable to surmise that Trump was not involved in any of the back door dealings, and just went out to make his speeches while Lewendowski, Manafort and the kids did the plotting.

babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
2. Mueller is working his way up. I would not be at all
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:19 AM
Jul 2018

surprised if dt is directly involved. He thinks he is omnipotent, so I look forward to having him brought down a few pegs, and worse.

still_one

(92,152 posts)
3. Treason may be difficult to prove, but I disagree with your analysis that it may not be reaonable to
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 09:20 AM
Jul 2018

surmise that Trump was NOT involved in any of the back door dealings. In fact I think just the opposite based on his business ties, and the links between his close family members alone is enough to justify suspicion.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/connections-trump-putin-russia-ties-chart-flynn-page-manafort-sessions-214868

That is how Watergate started, they tried to "protect" Nixon, until they couldn't

What makes this perhaps more serious is that Watergate was a completely domestic affair, this involves working with a foreign power to interfere with our election



babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
4. Per Malcolm Nance, he was/is a "witting asset"
Sat Jul 14, 2018, 10:05 AM
Jul 2018

by making the statements he did in 2016 regarding Russia helping with dirt on Clinton's e-mails.

Bingo!

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