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(21,946 posts)using military to me and I understand it's treason during war to collaborate with the enemy.
chowder66
(9,067 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)To help do this ARE guilty of treason, and those helping him in any way now are co-conspirators who will be just as guilty of acting on behalf of someone attacking our country and our Democracy. Trumps leaving a huge trail , and public statements that'll be great to use for his own prosecution , and conviction. They already know what he's done, and just a matter of when they want to pull the plug on him and many others.
dalton99a
(81,443 posts)TomSlick
(11,096 posts)I have resisted calling it treason. I've changed my mind.
Prof. Tribe is correct. The Russian military attacked the United States. The fact that is was a cyber-attack does not make it any less a military attack. Therefore, it was an act of war - one that is on-going.
Anyone who aided the Russian military in the attack are traitors. Anyone that continues to attempt to hide the fact of the attack are traitors. That would include many GOP Congressmen.
I will now call it what it is - treason.
Kingofalldems
(38,444 posts)Capperdan
(492 posts)Round up our Generals and go get him.
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)snip//
Russias cyber attack was an act of war. They significantly disrupted and damaged our Constitutional infrastructure in an attempt to undermine the foundation of U.S. democracy. They were of sufficient scope, duration and intensity to deem them armed attacks. Clearly, they meet the international criteria of an armed attack and an act of war against the United States.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/its-not-a-liberal-fantasy-to-ask-if-trump-committed-treason
NoMoreRepugs
(9,408 posts)Deflect deflect deflect.
Or maybe an investigation into how President Obama masterminded all this?
Repukes will stop at nothing to maintain power. Going to take stronger measures than subpoenas and proof.
Shoonra
(520 posts)Treason is the only crime defined by the US Constitution and the definition differs from uses of the accusation in previous British history. In US law it presupposes an active conflict with a hostile power.
It might be argued that there was no active conflict with the former Soviet Union, but the same cannot be said for North Korea. The Korean War never officially ended; there was an armistice but not cessation of hostilities. Technically and legally, as a UN member, the US is still actively engaged in a police action against North Korea. So Trump's unilateral concessions to North Korea might qualify under the Constitutional definition.
TomSlick
(11,096 posts)The Russian military attacked the United States. No shots were fired but it was nevertheless a military attack - an act of war.
The paradigm has changed. Wars do not now necessarily include the expenditure of ordinance or the killing of soldiers. The United States recognized the change in 2009 with the establishment of US Cyber Command.
US citizens that participated in the attack are guilty of treason. US citizens that continue to abet the attack by down playing, diverting, and obfuscating are also guilty of treason.
One thing the right-wingers were correct about years ago. You cannot combat the danger until you name it. The name is treason.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)They did not allow the will of the people be the deciding factor.
kentuck
(111,078 posts)I think it would be treason.
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)I'm not thinking we should get into a shooting war with Russia, mind you, but we sure as hell need to clean up the treason, and put better firewalls in place to close down the hacking.
And that's no shit.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Hekate
(90,641 posts)malaise
(268,910 posts)It was as clearbas the blue skies outside my window. Now we have proof.
What matters most is who is going to lock up all these people.
Gothmog
(145,119 posts)OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Aiding and abetting an enemy is a complex, often debated element of the Constitution. Generally enemy has been assumed to refer to a country we're in a declared war with. But treason charges have been brought against people during the Cold War where there was no official declaration of War.
Since the Constitution never addresses cyber warfare by foreign military, it's an open question. I think it absolutely should be treason. But I'm not sure we'll actually get that charge.
shraby
(21,946 posts)wasn't even such a word until in the 1970s-1980s or so except in maybe comic books or movies.
onenote
(42,690 posts)Not even the Rosenbergs were charged with treason. Such charges are rarely brought and they won't be brought against Trump or any of his associates. Why? Because we are not in a state of war with Russia. They have not been designated an enemy under the Trading with the Enemies Act. We maintain diplomatic relations with Russia. Americans can travel with and engage in economic business with Russians. None of those things happen when countries are in a state of "war" with one another.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If a Deplorable, i.e. Republican had to choose between losing an election or getting help from Russia he or she would choose the latter. Everything else is commentary....