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NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:49 AM Jul 2018

Where the Bodies Are Buried

With all the discussion about who knows where all the bodies are buried, one person has been repeatedly left out of the equation: Donald J. Trump.

Because he insists on micro-managing anything that directly affects him, there’s no doubt he knows everything about the coordination between his people and Russian operatives. The Russians have nothing to worry about on that score; they’re safe from extradition, which makes them safe from any consequences for their actions.

But what about the Americans – in particular, the higher-ups in the Republican party – who aided and abetted collusion, or “advised” that certain things were do-able because they could be covered-up?

I keep thinking about Hope Hicks reassuring Don Jr. not to worry about the emails he exchanged about getting dirt on Hilary. “Those emails will never come out,” she assured him. And then they did.

I’ve no doubt that there are powers-that-be in the GOP who knew about the collusion and participated in it. And Trump knows exactly who they are and what their participation was.

Once Mueller puts the noose around Donald’s neck, he is going to do the two things he is famous for: blame others and exact revenge. He’s going to start running his mouth about exactly who knew what was going on, and who did what in order to keep the Trump/Russia train moving full-steam ahead.

I’m sure there are a number of high-profile Republicans who are sweating right now. While Trump is worried about people like Manafort and Cohen “flipping”, they’re a lot more worried about Trump spilling his guts about the GOP’s involvement before, during and after the fact of his illegitimate election.

Trump is going down. And the fact is that when he does, he’ll make sure he takes the Republican party with him. No one is safe, no one will be spared. If he has even a modicum of “dirt” on anyone in the party that betrayed him by failing to protect him from Mueller et al, he will release the Kraken – not to save himself, but out of sheer spite.

As the Republicans are fond of saying when Trump lies, exaggerates, bullshits, demonstrates his ignorance, et cetera, “Well, ya know, that’s who he is. He’s just that kinda guy.”

Yeah, exactly. And he’s “just that kinda guy” who will never, ever go down without taking as many people as he can down with him.

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Where the Bodies Are Buried (Original Post) NanceGreggs Jul 2018 OP
I'm afraid he wants to take us ALL with him. dchill Jul 2018 #1
Sadly, I fear you may be right. Zoonart Jul 2018 #2
Of course. He's been blaming Democrats for everything dalton99a Jul 2018 #4
Trump won't give a damn. He'll blame the American people for oasis Jul 2018 #3
Jawohl! dchill Jul 2018 #16
Would Mueller cut a deal with trump thbobby Jul 2018 #5
I think he's too disturbed to be so logiclal. He'll blame Hillary, Obama, Deep State, Dems - NBachers Jul 2018 #6
I agree that Trump will take whom ever down with him with no qualms, rusty quoin Jul 2018 #7
You are so right! world wide wally Jul 2018 #8
OMG! NanceGreggs Jul 2018 #9
I only hope you're right. Dark n Stormy Knight Jul 2018 #10
Blame rmac3075 Jul 2018 #11
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #12
What am I missing? Rosenstein said "...no evidence that any American was a knowing participant . . Petrushka Jul 2018 #13
Maggot not only KNOWS MFM008 Jul 2018 #14
Great post, Nance Gothmog Jul 2018 #15
Counterpoint: He insists on the *appearance* of micromanagement... Orsino Jul 2018 #17
As I said in the OP ... NanceGreggs Jul 2018 #18
I think that even in those cases, he conceives a grudge but retains no details. Orsino Jul 2018 #19

oasis

(49,309 posts)
3. Trump won't give a damn. He'll blame the American people for
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:17 AM
Jul 2018

"Their" inability to Make America Great Again. Hitler, bunkered down in his final days, blamed the German people for failing to live up to his dream of A Thousand Year Reich.

thbobby

(1,474 posts)
5. Would Mueller cut a deal with trump
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:33 AM
Jul 2018

in exchange for incriminating info on the gop? A lot to speculate on. Can and will trump be indicted and if not, what can Mueller use to coerce him? I have no doubt that you are right about much of the gop being involved in the conspiracy to steal elections with Russian help. If the gop is involved in the criminal conspiracy, can they appoint enough corrupt judges to evade justice? I think that most of us on DU are frightened as Hell they can. America is on the edge.

NBachers

(17,063 posts)
6. I think he's too disturbed to be so logiclal. He'll blame Hillary, Obama, Deep State, Dems -
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:47 AM
Jul 2018

his usual suspects. He's too dissembled to comprehend how to do what you're expecting of him.

Cohen- He could do this. Trump- I think he'll be too freaked and disintegrated to pull it off.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
7. I agree that Trump will take whom ever down with him with no qualms,
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:05 AM
Jul 2018

But I do not know the mechanism of how that would work to bring him down. We control no branches of government.

I know that Trump is worried, but what do we have? We have the majority of Americans, but that has not made enough of a difference in the long run.

I would like a plan... a good plan.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
9. OMG!
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:31 AM
Jul 2018

Swear to god, I thought the same thing while writing the OP - If he doesn't have anything on McConnell, he'll make something up.

GMTA!!!

rmac3075

(31 posts)
11. Blame
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 03:51 AM
Jul 2018

That might happen, but if you think about the fifties you had McCarthy the loose cannon causing all the trouble. Actually the Republicans were in it up to their necks when the country turned against them they slid out the back door and blamed it all on Joe. You may live to see McConnell and Gowdy praised for saving the country.

Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
13. What am I missing? Rosenstein said "...no evidence that any American was a knowing participant . .
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 04:15 AM
Jul 2018
. . . in the alleged unlawful activity."


When you say:
"The Russians have nothing to worry about on that score; they’re safe from extradition, which makes them safe from any consequences for their actions.

"But what about the Americans – in particular, the higher-ups in the Republican party – who aided and abetted collusion, or “advised” that certain things were do-able because they could be covered-up?"


---and---

"I’ve no doubt that there are powers-that-be in the GOP who knew about the collusion and participated in it. And Trump knows exactly who they are and what their participation was."

---I can't help but wonder: What does NanceGreggs know that Rosenstein doesn't?

What am I missing?




P.S.
Here's a link wherein you'll find the full indictment document available:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/read-muellers-full-indictment-against-12-russian-officers-for-election-interference
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Edited to add:

Nevermind! I just came across another DU post that explains more about what's going on:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210871479


All best!

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
17. Counterpoint: He insists on the *appearance* of micromanagement...
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 02:16 PM
Jul 2018

...precisely because he doesn't understand what the fuck he's supposed to be doing. He wants the illusion of control, and remaining handlers and hangers-on know how to present their decisions to him in such a way as to get his signature.

He's erratic and changes his mind a lot, but those close to him are able to steer him in most things. Trouble is, there are those who really know where the bodies are buried, where the tapes are, and how to retrieve documents that would end his career. Putin can veto anything that a John Kelly might push as a more-or-less reasonable course of action.

We have a confused, insecure man-baby nominally in charge who fires staff that fail to please him and who is being run by Russian or other mob blackmailers. He doesn't understand his own policies because he has no hand in crafting them. None. It's just that every so often he feels a need to look like a manager, and will give an order at random just to watch people jump.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
18. As I said in the OP ...
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 05:45 PM
Jul 2018

... "he insists on micro-managing anything that directly affects him."

For example, there's no way Don Jr. was meeting with Russian operatives and Trump didn't know about it. He was probably apprised of every word that was exchanged and who said what, because it was ALL ABOUT HIM.

He wants to "look like a manager" when it comes to foreign policy, tax reform, immigration, etc. - but they are things he knows nothing about and, in the long run, really doesn't care about.

But when it comes to himself - how he is portrayed in the media, whether his "ratings" are up or down, whether his fanatical base is singing his praises - I'm sure he knows every detail.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
19. I think that even in those cases, he conceives a grudge but retains no details.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:27 AM
Jul 2018

He likes grudges, taking them as license to be as nasty as he wants.

Last we heard, he has staffers sifting the news for nuggets that can be spun positively in his briefings. These will be half-truths at best, which is probably why his brags so often get the numbers and basic facts wrong.

I don't think he actually micromanages anything. He is utterly dependent on handlers, and that's why he won't let any join him when Putin rubs his face in the pee tape and other kompromat.

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