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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe answer to the Russians discombobulating our mid-terms is called PAPER AND PEN,
and hand counted. No machines at all. Results hand delivered to the county seats from the precincts, with a Democratic and a Republican watcher in each car along to ride shotgun.
No calling the numbers in, or transferring by computer. It will take longer for results, but they will be more reliable than what the Russians will give us.
Squinch
(50,944 posts)RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)whine, "Oh, that'll never happen." "Oh, they won't let us do that."
GOOD GRIEF, people -- get off your asses and start working for it!
Start by finding out if you can request a paper ballot in your state.
Then try to find out if there's any organized activity around promoting paper ballots. Try your local Indivisible group, for one. They usually have a Facebook group. Locate them at Indivisible. org.
Reach out to others -- here's something rather astounding you can share:
DEFCON: 20:17 1/26/2018
Watch how insanely easy it is to hack U.S. voting machines
Link to tweet
20:26 3/12/2018
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard introduces bill to require paper ballots or paper backup in all elections
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/3/12/1748407/-Rep-Tulsi-Gabbard-introduces-bill-to-require-paper-ballots-or-paper-backup-in-all-elections
And some additional resources:
States have bought voting machines from vendors controlled and funded by religious fanatics, political partisans, politicians, and convicted felons. https://medium.com/@jennycohn1/states-have-bought-voting-machines-from-vendors-controlled-and-funded-by-religious-fanatics-1773f0b5f83e
COMPILATION of @jennycohn1 THREADS ON ELECTION INTEGRITY
https://twitter.com/i/moments/900160104493858816
How to Vote: A Guide to Every Voting Machine in America
11/02/10 ELECTION 2010 https://gizmodo.com/5670162/how-to-vote-a-guide-to-every-voting-machine-in-america
SHOW ME THE VOTES. ORG http://showmethevotes.org/
Mike Farb, another good resource: https://www.unhackthevote.com/author/mikefarb/
Bradblog's archives going back to early 2000s has remarkable info, and then there's this:
2012 Paper Ballot Op-Scan Systems in FL, WI, NY, OH Confirmed to Overheat, Mistally 70% of Votes
Similar systems used by millions of voters in majority of states also found to have failed as 2012 Presidential election looms...http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9302
DFW https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10463570
13. My brother 2002: give me a laptop and a cell phone, and I'll control any of the voting machines
My brother is not just some computer geek. He works on sensitive computer projects for DARPA and other government agencies.
He is very closed-mouthed, and never tells me any details about anything, but when the first round of questionable results came out of the 2002 midterms (Max Cleland "losing" his Senate seat to Saxby Chambliss in Georgia, for example), I asked him how reliable he thought the results reported from those machines were. He said "Give me a laptop and a cell phone, and I'll make any one of those things give you any result you want." It didn't even matter if they were connected to the internet or not. He said there were ways around that, and their programming had more holes than Swiss cheese. In 2002, he said that no one interested in tamper-proof vote tallying would ever use them.
He has not changed his assessment of the situation since.
The Myth of the Hacker-Proof Voting Machine
By KIM ZETTERFEB. 21, 2018 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/21/magazine/the-myth-of-the-hacker-proof-voting-machine.html
Examining the election-management computer at the countys office the machine used to tally official election results and, in many counties, to program voting machines they found that remote-access software had been installed on it.
Remote-access software is a type of program that system administrators use to access and control computers remotely over the internet or over an organizations internal network. Election systems are supposed to be air-gapped disconnected from the internet and from other machines that might be connected to the internet. The presence of the software suggested this wasnt the case with the Venango machine, which made the system vulnerable to hackers. Anyone who gained remote access to the system could use the software to take control of the machine. Logs showed the software was installed two years earlier and used multiple times, most notably for 80 minutes on November 1, 2010, the night before a federal election.
Squinch
(50,944 posts)We have paper ballots but they're tallied electronically. I'm going to use your references. Thanks.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)TheFrenchRazor
(2,116 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)the state legislature, the ballots were all hand counted.
It can be done! Even with a long ballot.
It just takes more time. They did it before the machines, they can do it again.
RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)I added some resources upthread.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10875302
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)Networked voter registration databases in 20 to 25 states have already been snooped into by Russians.
Here in Maryland, the FBI just alerted state officials that Russian oligarchs bought the company making our voter registration software.
As Malcolm Nance points out, all hackers would have to do is change one digit in a voter's zip code in the registration database, and that person will be turned away from the polls.
shraby
(21,946 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)Nationwide pen-and-paper elections will never happen again.
shraby
(21,946 posts)Each precinct is composed of a finite number of voters, so hand counting and shutting all machines down, isn't an insurmountable job. It's not like counting county by county.
Pachamama
(16,886 posts)And have them counted in the precinct by members of the represented parties and verified until certified.
It is what Germany and Denmark and Spain do for example....
fierywoman
(7,683 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)phylny
(8,378 posts)since we went back to paper ballots counted by machine. I spoke with a woman in the elections office, and she said all ballots must be retained, and there were mandatory recounts every so many years in rotating districts to be certain the votes continue to be counted.