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(42,309 posts)Can someone explain why?
Also, the Intercept just set their attack poodles loose on her all over social media.
Cha
(297,196 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)still_one
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within the Democratic party, and it is becoming clearer than ever what their intentions are.
This is noted, just like what they did in 2016
Cha
(297,196 posts)I had to see this coming from the beginning when AOC was trying to refight the primaries against Senator Tammy Duckworth.
It's only gotten worse and more obvious.
Mahalo, still_one
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)lamsmy
(155 posts)The wings of the Dem Party are splitting because there is no strong leadership at the core holding them together.
Different candidates are always going to push for the priorities that best reflect their very different districts. But the complete failure of the Dem leadership to bring the party together and present a coherent platform and strategy is a serious case of political malpractice. That the old guard has so fiercely defends their positions with no attempt at grooming the next generation of leaders or focusing on the future of the nation, is a abject failure of leadership.
Somebody, ANYBODY, needs to step up and start herding the cats.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)You know, most Democratic Party blocs are allied on most issues, and almost all are strongly liberal and progressive.
If this little group who calling themselves Progressives could only ally and cooperate with all the others to get things done, it probably wouldn't always be a little group. Everyone wants us to somehow do more, and the promise to do so is very appealing.
But dissension is literally a defining characteristic of zealots, so that that never has been possible. Dissension first, always opponents who must be defeated before moving on to the ideals. And that means that in our nation's entirely history they've never made significant policy. All progressive advances are made by other progressives in spite of passionate opposition from zealots who claim they want the same thing, just...more and faster.
If case you aren't one of the who shares this fatal flaw, you really need to take a new look at the big allied faction of the Democratic Party and the little one and see which gets things done and which does not.
OR, skip the research and history books and just vote against anyone who promises to fight Democrats and vote for those who promise to use the power of the Democratic Party to make progressive advances happen.
When Brent Welder said he didn't know if he could vote for Hillary Clinton, that meant he subjugated our party's huge progressive agenda secondary to whatever else was going on in his head. Huge red warning sign.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)Remember when Cornell West sat on the platform committee, refused to sign the final platform document, citing "the party's moral failures" and then endorsed Jill Stein?
West called Stein "the only progressive woman in the race" and Welder wanted a platform fight on the convention floor so he could "save Secretary Clinton from herself".
Just what we need...another hubris-driven man on the floor of the House whose mission is to save women from themselves by doing their thinking for them.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)There is a peculiar misogyny among SOME of those who identify Prog, certainly far from all of them.
But that label includes some really strange-bedfellows: combinations of genuine social left-winger Progs with the populists Sanders also drew to that label. Many of the latter we now know are a special mixture of socially conservative (!) and economically liberal. White supremacists, mostly male, who both oppose change and want progressive government social programs and opportunities -- for those like them, not others. And there's a whole bunch of misogyny in that group.
I very strongly suspect many who identify Prog haven't examined themselves or others in their bloc enough to understand the various goals and motivations.
Certainly, anyone who who could call Jill Stein the only progressive woman in the race was profoundly dishonest and hostile to Hillary and Democrats in general. And where'd that come from? Many observers have noted populist strains in West's pronouncements, not least his very active hostilities, including his problems with antisemitism. I'm guessing Stein's real draw for West was probably twofold: that she was a weapon to deploy against Democrats and that she posed absolutely no threat to male supremacy.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)yet he still accepts money from
Industry lobbyists
The pharmaceutical industry
The banking and investment sector
The real estate sector
54% of his money comes from large donors; 89.3% of his money comes from out of state.
https://www.opensecrets.org/races/contributors?cycle=2018&id=KS03&spec=N
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)enjoyed the intense hypocrisy and dishonor that Prog group displayed when they explained their plans to infiltrate the Democratic Party and operate from within its structure -- but without really considering themselves Democrats. (Yuck!)
It takes a lot of money to operate the party and provide the substantial benefits he's actively planning on taking, and my share was certainly not donated for faithless scoundrels to subvert. Of course they're not concerned with what ordinary people like me want. But I'm pretty sure that also goes for the party's big donors, whom they pretend to refuse to accept money from even as they plan to do just that.
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)so that all who never read it can peruse it at their leisure. Just because some people never bothered to read the platform doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
And while some in Democratic leadership may have failed in the leadership roles entrusted to them by the Party, that is certainly not true of all of them. It would be nice to see Booker and Harris assigned leadership roles so they can pick up the slack of anyone who has not followed through.
Oh, and welcome to DU!
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/papers_pdf/117717.pdf
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)They also run Republican and Independent candidates and here's what their founder and spokesman Corbin Trent had to say about the Democratic Party.
Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and were thankful that theyve set up an infrastructure thats going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party hasa long time agostopped representing the needs of the American people.
Just because an organization is willing to exploit Democratic Party resources doesn't mean that they're a wing of the Party.
http://inthesetimes.com/article/20341/brand-new-congress-progressives-republican-party-democrat
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)as infiltrators for the purpose of subverting the resources of the Democratic Party for their own purposes. Corbin's own description would fit a parasitic invasion far more than a wing.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)JI7
(89,249 posts)Thekaspervote
(32,762 posts)sheshe2
(83,752 posts)That is all.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)..in November.
It's sophistry to make like this is AOC against Davids.
It's AOC supporting a candidatre of like agenda and one that actually supported her own campaign.
Did ANY of the other candidates support AOC's bid? ANY of them?
Did Davids?? Why not?
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...the word stands.
"...subtly deceptive reasoning or argumentation"
Sophistry.
Stick to writing your own posts.
I'm not the one going around making that claim just because people don't agree with me. You are.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...it's sophistry.
There are six Democrats competing for the chance to face the republican in the fall in that race, including another woman.
I imagine it may be someone's strategy to make the contest about a grudge match between AOC and Davids, but no one who's not in Davids' camp looks to be taking the bait.
kcr
(15,315 posts)It's on your part, because no one is saying that. Your attempts to muddy the waters by bringing in the other people in the race also counts, by the way. WHO is trying to make it look like AOC is running in the race, now? Because I'm not seeing how they're relevant. They wouldn't be, if AOC wasn't sticking her nose in it in the first place.
Cha
(297,196 posts)Thank You, Randy!
She is outstanding.
Cha
(297,196 posts)women in Congress!
Deb Haalands primary win means she will likely be the first Native American woman in Congress
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/6/6/17433918/new-mexico-deb-haaland-first-native-american-woman-elected-congress
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I felt like I was seeing the future.
I may pay attention to this race in a neighboring state.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)Link to tweet
Let's hope the BS & AOC candidate loses a 2nd time in a row.
I want her! Fierce!
Link to tweet
Just FYI.. it's Sharice "Davids"
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)Sanders and AOC are stumping for Brand New Congress candidate Brent Welder who told The Guardian
He made clear that he did go door to door for Clinton and the rest of the Democratic ticket and decided to back her when I got into the voting booth to actually vote.
Cha
(297,196 posts)him around.
Thanks, lapucelle!
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)Sounds indecisive and impulsive. I wonder why he was knocking on doors for the Democrat while he was secretly contemplating voting for the Green. Who does that?
Mahalo!!!!!!!
Cha
(297,196 posts)The district, covering suburban Kansas City and represented by Republican Kevin Yoder, was won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 and has long been viewed as a top Democratic target in the 2018 midterm elections. The district is prosperous and well educated and was represented by Democrat Dennis Moore for a decade before he retired in 2010.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/24/sanders-brent-welder-clinton-democrats-kansas-congress
I think I have the same article you linked from, lapucelle.
You know how I feel about all those who got so brainwashed from the Hillary hatemongering that they couldn't see the actual facts. And, here's one of them.. running in a District that was smart enough to go for Hillary in 2016!
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)He spoke at the platform committee and apparently wanted to take the TPP fight to the convention floor. He was quoted in the Washington Post as saying:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/09/sanders-loses-on-trade-at-democratic-platform-meeting/?utm_term=.64d26a522f30
sheshe2
(83,752 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)Arrogance and Ignorance.. not a good combination.
Thank You, lapucelle
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Was this candidate part of the Sanders delegate planned stunt to boo Congressman John Lewis? The booing of Congressman John Lewis was a planned stunt by the Sanders delegates. I was told of this stunt by my whip 20 to 30 minutes before it happened.
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Link to tweet
Welder yelling at Tim Kaine at the convention. What an ass.
Earlier today I sent money to Sharice when I saw that Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez were trying to sabotage her election.
Sharice is Native American, female and LGBTQ. Bernie can't resist an opportunity to go after her as it rings all his bells. Not sure what is wrong with Ocasio-Cortez but I am totally over her.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Pulling for you, Sharice!
As for Ocasio-Cortez, I thought I could like her, since so many (non-Bernie) people said she seemed like a descent candidate. Turns out she isn't.
Cha
(297,196 posts)District 3 so he "..doesn't see a problem".
I didn't know that Welder yelled at Tim Kaine at the DNC Convention.. what was his problem, Durham?
Link to tweet
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DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)I assume that eventually the film of him turning his back on Hillary and walking out of the convention will show up.
Cha
(297,196 posts)accountable for that bullshit.
RandySF
(58,799 posts)St. Louis resident and Sanders delegate Brent Welder took a dimmer view of how the convention unfolded. He said the day before the convention started, Sanders supporters got documented proof that the entire primary had been rigged and the chairwoman resigned in scandal. The fact that Clinton still received the nomination, Welder said, showed that things didnt go very well for Sanders or his supporters.
http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/trail-missouri-delegates-weigh-clintons-impact-and-down-ballot#stream/0
DURHAM D
(32,609 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)still_one
(92,189 posts)"Al Gore is a vote for George Bush"
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....background and life story. Great that she's working to help her own people as an attorney on Native American reservations.
Imagine that after more than two centuries if she win's she'd be only the first Native American woman elected to Congress?
On the other hand, I can't see how any Democrat could support a candidate who claimed two years ago that he "struggled to vote for Hillary Clinton." That's what one of her primary opponents, Brent Welder, said.
sheshe2
(83,752 posts)Sharice. You go girl.
Cha
(297,196 posts)sheshe2
(83,752 posts)...we can thank don for. He is getting Native women/women out to run and to vote.
Excellent Cha.
Cha
(297,196 posts)in Massachusetts? Oh yeah, scott brown
Yes, their ugly Racist Slurs Backfired! Which has happened all over the country in different Ways, Shapes, and Forms!
Link to tweet
She's Fierce!
sheshe2
(83,752 posts)oasis
(49,382 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)oasis
(49,382 posts)Mahalo Cha!
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)because they say Emily's List who has endorsed her is "establishment".
Thanks for the tweet, Goth!
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)The man works for Russia which is why he is so popular on JPR
Cha
(297,196 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Cha
(297,196 posts)ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,954 posts)
the perfect antidote for Pence!
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)radical noodle
(8,000 posts)She's a great candidate.
Gothmog
(145,176 posts)RandySF
(58,799 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)..or should she support those who share her agenda. Those who supported her own bid for Congress, for example.
Did Davids support AOC's campaign??