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OK folks (Original Post) malaise Jul 2018 OP
It is treason. dalton99a Jul 2018 #1
Yes, he sold out his country and aligned himselve with a sworn enemy of our nation. olegramps Jul 2018 #46
no doubt onetexan Jul 2018 #75
Will it have any affect on the Republican base, that is the question? olegramps Jul 2018 #81
Very little to none. dalton99a Jul 2018 #82
There is really no doubt after that display. unitedwethrive Jul 2018 #2
Never had a doubt and i think this may actually be a bridge too far.... sunonmars Jul 2018 #3
Agreed. H2O Man Jul 2018 #4
My mouth is still open malaise Jul 2018 #7
Yep. H2O Man Jul 2018 #10
I am not only appalled but greatly sadden by what I witnessed. olegramps Jul 2018 #49
Seriously this is bad malaise Jul 2018 #66
If this does not shake Americans out of their slumber, nothing and i mean nothing will sunonmars Jul 2018 #9
You are right. H2O Man Jul 2018 #11
Brennan says he was shocked malaise Jul 2018 #13
"It was nothing short of treasonous." .99center Jul 2018 #15
I've never seen H2O Man Jul 2018 #16
Early on, Delphinus Jul 2018 #72
Nail the bastard to the wall. Totally Tunsie Jul 2018 #5
Notice how Putin attacked Soros? Solly Mack Jul 2018 #6
Yes malaise Jul 2018 #8
Standing next to a murderer thegoose Jul 2018 #12
For those of us stuck at work without access to a TV hurple Jul 2018 #14
Put all of his typical BS BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #18
He must be removed from office. gademocrat7 Jul 2018 #17
he is no president bdamomma Jul 2018 #31
Do we want to have this pResident selecting the next Supreme Court Justice????? Doitnow Jul 2018 #19
Hell, NO. Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2018 #78
He's admitting it openly duforsure Jul 2018 #20
At this point, I agree. nt herding cats Jul 2018 #21
Twitter has gone out of its mind about this mcar Jul 2018 #22
Yeah. It always has been. dchill Jul 2018 #23
Traitor enid602 Jul 2018 #24
k&R BlueJac Jul 2018 #25
Ex CIA guy MFM008 Jul 2018 #26
And if everyone in his cabinet doesn't resign they're complicit. nolabear Jul 2018 #27
Congress as well handmade34 Jul 2018 #28
"purpose of evasion" colorado_ufo Jul 2018 #42
Their inaction dishonors EVERY veteran and active duty military service member. usaf-vet Jul 2018 #56
And that oath doesn't end Haggis for Breakfast Jul 2018 #79
I come from a family that has served in WW I, WW II and usaf-vet Jul 2018 #83
As it has been all along. GoCubsGo Jul 2018 #29
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #30
this should be flying all over the place bdamomma Jul 2018 #34
Post it on your FB and other social media pages vlyons Jul 2018 #40
No. DiverDave Jul 2018 #62
Surely there's a better source. klook Jul 2018 #47
agree handmade34 Jul 2018 #50
why does this site you posted. bdamomma Jul 2018 #54
It's been Treason from Day 1 peggysue2 Jul 2018 #32
No doubt about it FakeNoose Jul 2018 #65
This is far beyond what he's done or said before. And most of the GOP is mum. Vinca Jul 2018 #33
McConnell bdamomma Jul 2018 #39
Some of them have to be directly involved. I hope to hell Mueller is looking at their campaign Vinca Jul 2018 #41
Nope? It is Mueller time! imanamerican63 Jul 2018 #35
Beyond treasonable doubt... Blue Owl Jul 2018 #36
Been treason all along Cosmocat Jul 2018 #37
It's been treason all along... Raster Jul 2018 #38
+100 blue-wave Jul 2018 #43
Ya ? Chiboy Jul 2018 #44
Twitter is jumping with treason ideas bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #45
let's see what congress does....if they support the 'president' all bets are off. spanone Jul 2018 #48
Treason has a pretty narrow definition. Lonestarblue Jul 2018 #51
Few here will agree, but you're right the legal distinctions matter. onenote Jul 2018 #55
In other words BumRushDaShow Jul 2018 #63
SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME apkhgp Jul 2018 #52
Treason by a traitor. democratisphere Jul 2018 #53
Not to sound cliche, but this is probably the time to Tatiana Jul 2018 #57
ROFL malaise Jul 2018 #69
Benedict Donald Oneironaut Jul 2018 #58
K&R uponit7771 Jul 2018 #59
Yep. Scurrilous Jul 2018 #60
Damned skippy. DiverDave Jul 2018 #61
It is, but elmac Jul 2018 #64
This has to be it, right? The last straw?? Blue_Tires Jul 2018 #67
Certainly does look like it. calimary Jul 2018 #68
It is. But we knew that before, didn't we? We're not the batsh*t crazy ones. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #70
Yes. it. is. spanone Jul 2018 #71
Always has been...nt N_E_1 for Tennis Jul 2018 #73
It's treason and sedition all rolled up together. roamer65 Jul 2018 #74
Yep MustLoveBeagles Jul 2018 #76
It's the very definition. n/t ClusterFreak Jul 2018 #77
You're darned right it is. PatrickforO Jul 2018 #80

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
46. Yes, he sold out his country and aligned himselve with a sworn enemy of our nation.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jul 2018

To every member of congress and most especially to the Republicans:

It is your choice, your country or party. There is absolutely no equivocation.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
81. Will it have any affect on the Republican base, that is the question?
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 11:56 AM
Jul 2018

If I had to lay a bet today, I would have to conclude that it will be minimalized in comparison to his accomplishments of deregulation to enable the banks to rip us off, destruction of the environment, demolishment of trade agreements, alienating everyone of or allies, turning the Moslems into arch enemies, destroying the credibility FBI, CIA along with the entire Intelligence system, waging war on immigrant children and jailing every immigrant he can get in the crosshairs, etc., etc. plus, most importantly forming a allegiance to our swore enemy, Russia. After a brief public handwringing that is totally the fault of Hilary and her emails, they will dust off their soapbox and with renewed vigor intensify their attack on Democrats as un-godly, atheistic unamerican liberals intent on the destruction of wholesome real Americans.

unitedwethrive

(1,997 posts)
2. There is really no doubt after that display.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:02 PM
Jul 2018

As hard as it was to watch, I'm kind of glad they went ahead with it, because is really shows what is going on to its fullest extent.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
49. I am not only appalled but greatly sadden by what I witnessed.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:21 PM
Jul 2018

It is going to be difficult, but we must go on and somehow awaken the young people to the fact that their apathy can no longer be tolerated. Their very future is a stake.

H2O Man

(73,536 posts)
16. I've never seen
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:12 PM
Jul 2018

anything like this. I knew Trump was going to get his marching orders in private. But this is just stunning.

Delphinus

(11,830 posts)
72. Early on,
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 05:46 PM
Jul 2018

right after this happened, I read a Tweet from ex-CIA John Brennan (am I anywhere close to being right about that?) and there were SO MANY against Brennan - that he was a Communist, that we don't have any real evidence that Trump colluded with Russia ... and a lot more. So, sadly, this probably will not make a difference.

BigmanPigman

(51,585 posts)
18. Put all of his typical BS
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:43 PM
Jul 2018

about witch hunts, bad Dems, fake news, FBI, etc together with all of the denials and accusations and that is what we heard again, only this time it was next to Russia's dictator. He almost apologized for our country's investigation trying to blame poor Putin who just wants to work with the US on improving the world.

bdamomma

(63,837 posts)
31. he is no president
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:56 PM
Jul 2018

but a treasonous POS. I would like him to be prosecuted under the fullest extent of the law.

This is no joke.

Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
78. Hell, NO.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:36 PM
Jul 2018

As long as this administration is looking at criminal indictments, there should be NO hearings held on anyone.

Call your congressionals and tell them "NO VOTE."

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
20. He's admitting it openly
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:44 PM
Jul 2018

He's working for putin, and all the republicans now better get on the right side by denouncing the republican party, and switching over to the Democrats for control in the Senate, or they could be facing serious charges also.

enid602

(8,615 posts)
24. Traitor
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:48 PM
Jul 2018

Well, given that Baby Jesus told so many to vote for tRump, does that mean Baby Jesus is a traitor as well?

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
28. Congress as well
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:53 PM
Jul 2018

absolving themselves of their oath...

I, ____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
56. Their inaction dishonors EVERY veteran and active duty military service member.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:48 PM
Jul 2018

Especially those who have given up their life in the defense of this country.

Those of us that served essentially take the same oath. 'to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic".

Their inaction says the oath is not worth the paper it was written on it their opinion.

So what would happen to any new recruit who refused to take a "worthless" oath. Would they still let them serve?

I'll BET HELL NO!!


Haggis for Breakfast

(6,831 posts)
79. And that oath doesn't end
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 08:39 PM
Jul 2018

Just because we retired our uniforms, either.

This sickens me. I come from a military family that has served since WWII. And in almost every war since. I just feet like I've been kicked in the gut.

usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
83. I come from a family that has served in WW I, WW II and
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 12:23 PM
Jul 2018

myself during Vietnam. And you are dead right the oath never ends.

My gut aches as well.

Response to malaise (Original post)

bdamomma

(63,837 posts)
34. this should be flying all over the place
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:59 PM
Jul 2018

can we start faxing this info to Repigs??? They are in this too.

klook

(12,154 posts)
47. Surely there's a better source.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:18 PM
Jul 2018

This article trashes Obama at length and argues for his impeachment (in 2015). It concludes with this gem:

WHERE WERE YOU WHILE OBAMA WAS AIDING AND ABETTING OUR ENEMIES?

WHAT DID YOU DO ABOUT IT?

Please self-delete or find another source.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
32. It's been Treason from Day 1
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:56 PM
Jul 2018

The moment we watched the Trumpster glide down that escalator with his paid cheerleaders in attendance, we were watching an active Russian operation in motion.

Today, the Trumpster revealed it in broad daylight to the entire f*cking world. He stands with Putin, not the United States.

Donald Trump = Putin's Apprentice. Anyone still supporting this traitor can now be labeled treasonous by association.

The outcome of the November elections will determine who and what we are as a people for decades. This is a National Security red light warning.

We've got one shot at this, people. We dare not miss.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
65. No doubt about it
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 04:45 PM
Jul 2018

Ever since "Russia if you're listening, and I hope you are....", he's been openly conspiring with Putin.

I think today Cheeto was reading a script that Pootie gave him. His own staff would have never written that speech, and they must be appalled. He just gave us all the finger and walked out with Putin.





bdamomma

(63,837 posts)
39. McConnell
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:02 PM
Jul 2018

among others are involved in this too, treasonous bastards. Selling us to an Ex-KGB'er. WTF!!!!

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
41. Some of them have to be directly involved. I hope to hell Mueller is looking at their campaign
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:09 PM
Jul 2018

financial records and personal finances. This stinks to high heaven.

blue-wave

(4,352 posts)
43. +100
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:15 PM
Jul 2018

It is now time to prove we are a nation of laws. March him and all his treasonous cronies from our nations capitol and into the nearest federal prison.

bucolic_frolic

(43,137 posts)
45. Twitter is jumping with treason ideas
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jul 2018



Art. III requires two witnesses to convict someone of the crime of treason. Conveniently, the 2-hour Trump-Putin session in Helsinki, which Trump says fully turned around our bad relationship with Russia, was conducted with no witnesses but the principals and their translators.




Jon Cooper
🌊
‏Verified account @joncoopertweets

.@realDonaldTrump should be arrested for treason the moment he sets foot on American soil.
#TreasonSummit

Lonestarblue

(9,978 posts)
51. Treason has a pretty narrow definition.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:26 PM
Jul 2018

I’ve been reading various descriptions of treason, and most seem to say that a key word is enemy.An enemy is defined as someone who has declared war or is openly at war with the U.S. Obviously, Russia has not declared a formal war on the U.S., but does Putin’s use of active military intelligence agents to conduct their cyber attack represent an “open” war? Even Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, who committed espionage during WWII, were charged not with treason but with conspiracy to commit espionage, for which they were executed so definitely a serious charge. So is the Trump campaign guilty of conspiring with Russian agents instead of treason? The legal distinctions are quite confusing to this non-lawyer!

onenote

(42,700 posts)
55. Few here will agree, but you're right the legal distinctions matter.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:45 PM
Jul 2018

And its not treason because, as a legal matter, we're not at war with Russia and they're not an "enemy." They are not a friend, but there is, for constitutional purposes, a large gap between being allies and enemies.

Consider the normal attributes of two countries at war: suspended diplomatic relations, suspended trade, suspended travel. We have diplomatic relations with Russia. Hundreds of thousands of Americans will visit Russia as tourists. And we have billions in trade with Russia.

What the Russian military officers did was a crime, as reflected in the Mueller indictment. Americans, including Americans that are or were associated with the Trump campaign and/or administration likely will be named as co-conspirators with the Russians. Maybe Trump will be so named. But that still falls short of treason, just as the crimes for which the Rosenbergs, Aldrich Ames, Robert Hanssen and others were prosecuted did not include treason. And just as the activities of those of us who opposed US involvement in Vietnam were not prosecuted as treason, even when they included activities that, according to some, gave aid and comfort to the North Vietnamese (such as counseling individuals on how to legally -- or illegally -- avoid the draft). Hell, some even claim Daniel Ellsberg committed treason by revealing the Pentagon Papers. That's the risk of giving the treason clause in the Constitution a broad reading -- it can be used in many ways.

BumRushDaShow

(128,891 posts)
63. In other words
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 02:32 PM
Jul 2018

is a "Cyber-War" considered "War"?

That is something that academics have been debating in earnest for some time. Most recently, there were a bunch of articles about it in 2013 - e.g., https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/is-cyber-war-around-the-corner-collective-cyber-defense-in-the-near-future/

And then more last year, e.g., - https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2017/05/cyberwar-war/

That is why the call by Jeh Johnson, back in 2016, to declare the U.S. election system, "critical infrastructure", and included his official statement designating it as such, a few weeks before the Obama administration came to a close.

apkhgp

(1,068 posts)
52. SOMEBODY PLEASE TELL ME
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:33 PM
Jul 2018

When are all of the people in this country going to wake the hell up and see this idiot traitor for what he really is?


Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
57. Not to sound cliche, but this is probably the time to
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 01:50 PM
Jul 2018

CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW....

(202) 224-3121 (switchboard)

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
64. It is, but
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 02:56 PM
Jul 2018

there is nothing we can do about. The fascist party has joined this Russian circus and they control all branches of government, most states and the supreme court. Putin has taken this country over, all we can do s see what he plans to do with ameriKa.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
68. Certainly does look like it.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 05:36 PM
Jul 2018

And sound like it.

And walk like it.

And talk like it.

And quack like it.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
70. It is. But we knew that before, didn't we? We're not the batsh*t crazy ones.
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 05:42 PM
Jul 2018

We are witnessing America become a Russian satellite country.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
80. You're darned right it is.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 01:48 AM
Jul 2018

And not just Trump either. McConnell was in it up to his nose hairs, as was the punk Ryan.

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