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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJoe Biden responds to Trump and Putin's press conference:
Copied from Joe Biden's Facebook Page:
This week, the President had the opportunity to assure our closest allies that America stands with them as we have for over 70 years. He could have rightly taken pride in increased defense spending among NATO allies since the Wales Summit in 2014, and the Alliance's firm resolve to counter threats to our collective security. Instead he insulted our friends and made common cause with our adversaries.
Today our President had the chance to confront an adversary who has attacked and continues to attack our democracy and our allies. He could have stood up for American interests and values. He chose not to.
Instead, he embraced our number one adversary, blamed America rather than Russian aggression for the deterioration in our bilateral relations, trashed his own justice department, and put Putins word above that of our own intelligence community whose leaders he appointed.
Attacking the values that make our democracy strong including strong institutions, the rule of law, a free press and fair elections does not help us lead abroad. Flattering dictators will not advance American interests. It makes us less safe.
Todays press conference was beneath the dignity of the Office of the President. The President's words do not reflect what Americans think and who we are. Congress and the American people must speak out to make it clear that we believe in democracy over dictatorship, that we support our allies and not those who seek to weaken us, and that we will defend our freedom when it is attacked.
https://www.facebook.com/joebiden/posts/10155358852651104
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)LonePirate
(13,419 posts)We need to start dropping them and be more specific and forthright with the rhetoric and statements from our side.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)WTF are you referring to?
Why to we need to stop using them and start dropping them?
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LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)LonePirate
(13,419 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)But sometimes (not always) I spell it out in the post body.
Many times I just post a headline if it gets the message across.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)WE can say anything. We're nobodies. Who listens to US? But if you have a national platform, you can be slapped w/a slander lawsuit by teh litigious Trump (he's had thousands of lawsuits)...he has to show it defamed him, it's not true, it was said with malice. "It's not true" may sound tricky...but since "treason" is a legal word, a crime...if he hasn't been found guilty or plead guilty of treason, it's presumed not true.
But a person can choose an alternate word that's not a legal charge.
BeyondGeography
(39,371 posts)BUT, he would tear the Con Man to pieces but good in mano-à-mano fashion in a debate maybe better than anyone else out there. Especially on this issue.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)We need to get use to using that word.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)He has betrayed his oath of office.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)"Treason" is a crime. It requires evidence or a finding of guilt. Trump could win a lawsuit over that one. IF he'd sue. But traitor would be safe, I think. It's just a personal judgment of his behavior and not a crime.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)OMG we may slander Donald fucking Trump! Meanwhile, Hillary is called every name under the sun. Obama has been slandered hundreds of times.
What the hell is Trump going to do? Take the person who said it, all the thousands that say it, to court for slander?
Even if they picked out one prominent Democrat to sue, then what? Have all the evidence that the defendant produce to prove he is a traitor brought out for all to see once again? Even IF he or she technically loses, it would be worth the publicity.
Bring it on.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I'm not concerned about hurting his feelings. I agree to be BOLD and outspoken, and think our leaders have been too soft and meek. But you have to be aware of the words you use, whether they can land you in court with a big slander judgment against you.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)I understand what you are saying. But my point was....so what?
He already has Mueller's probe hanging over him which will be airing all his dirty laundry. Do you really think, even if he thinks he could win which is debatable, he would want yet another avenue of airing when the defendant starts bringing up actual evidence, even if circumstantial.
The legal term of treason is...."Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort"
I'm not too sure that Trump would even win that argument. There is already plenty of evidence of just that.
and besides, if some congressperson was sued and lost for millions, we could get a go fund me campaign to pay it.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts).... libeled or slandered. He is the ultimate public figure. You cansay anything you want and nothings going to happen in a court of law.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I think he could sue over someone saying he's guilty of treason, when there is no legal evidence that he's guilty of it, it defamed him, and it was said out of malice.
But "traitor" is a safer word, I think.
reACTIONary
(5,770 posts)... lets see what happens...
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-putin-treasonous-brennan-cia-1026468
Former Illinois Republican congressman and conservative talk radio host Joe Walsh voiced a similar sentiment. "This press conference is an absolute disgrace," he tweeted. "Trump won't even side with America. What Trump did today was commit treason. He cannot be supported anymore. He is a clear & present danger to America. Republicans can no longer be quiet. I won't be quiet. I am done with him."
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/16/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-press-conference/index.html
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)So I guess I was wrong! Mea culpa!
(I can admit when I'm wrong. Of course, they may be risking it, anyway, knowing he won't sue. For one thing, there are going to be too many saying it, for him to sue them all.)
I especially like what Joe Walsh said (JOE WALSH????)....that Trump "is a clear & present danger." Whoa.
BlueJac
(7,838 posts)EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)EricMaundry
(1,619 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,246 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)Old Vet
(2,001 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)But I haven't seen any yet.
They may need to get over the shock. Bush Sr is in bad health, so I don't expect he can.
rzemanfl
(29,557 posts)LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)If we didn't have traitors in Congress, this would be a no-brainer.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)It needs only three- + 5
Traitor
Treason
Impeach (and if found guilty, death)
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)..
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)Beneath the dignity? And all we must do is speak out???? OMG.
Is this more when they go low, we go high?
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)didnt VP Biden openly mock Romney in 2012 for saying the same thing?