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riversedge

(70,084 posts)
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 12:14 PM Jul 2018

#TRUMP unsurprisingly either has no idea how digital forensics work or is playing stupid.

I have heard explanations for the reason Hillary's server was not taken before, but this one seems to have more detail.





Trump Is Still Rambling About a Dumb Theory That the DNC Is Hiding an Incriminating Server

https://gizmodo.com/trump-is-still-rambling-about-a-dumb-theory-that-the-dn-1827645243





Tom McKay
Yesterday 10:30pmFiled to: Russia


On Monday, flanked by his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin at a press conference in Helsinki, Donald Trump refused to concur with the conclusions of US intelligence agencies that Russia was behind intrusions into computer systems belonging to the Democratic National Committee, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and Hillary Clinton’s campaign during the 2016 elections.

........................................... Yet Trump once again brought out his rambling, stream-of-consciousness theory that Democrats had worked to conceal the real culprit, focusing specifically on the issue of a supposed DNC server that the FBI was never able to investigate:

You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server—haven’t they taken the server. Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee? I’ve been wondering that, I’ve been asking that for months and months and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know where is the server and what is the server saying?

If you believe the president, this mysterious server is the key to solving the riddle of who really gained access to Democratic email systems and proving that allegations of Russian involvement were cooked up to damage Trump’s campaign.
The alternate explanation that does not require believing a really obvious liar is that the physical server in question is more or less irrelevant (and in fact a network of partially cloud-based computer systems that would be hard to just cart off) and the president is just squirting out a big cloud of squid ink.

As noted by Motherboard, actually unplugging a server and bringing it in is less useful than providing a total image of it to investigators, because there’s lots of potentially useful data that can be extracted from a memory dump that can only be performed while it is still turned on. In March 2017, then-FBI Director James Comey told members of Congress that the DNC’s security contractor, CrowdStrike, had provided an “appropriate substitute” that Motherboard reports is “widely believed” to be such an image of the DNC’s network.

As Johns Hopkins University’s School of Advanced International Studies professor of strategic studies Thomas Rid told the site:





“To keep it simple, let’s say there’s only one server. CrowdStrike goes in, makes a complete image including a memory dump of everything that was in the memory of the server at the time, including traffic and connections at the time,” Rid said. “You have that image from the machine live in the network including its memory content, versus a server that someone physically carries into the FBI headquarters. It’s unplugged, so there’s no memory content because it’s powered down. That physical piece of hardware is less valuable for an investigation than the onsite image and data extraction from a machine that is up and running. The idea a physical server would add any value doesn’t make any sense.”


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Taddeo added that direct access would be unnecessary “unless there was a reason to think the victim was going to alter the evidence in some way,” while another intelligence official told the Hill that CrowdStrike was “pretty good.”

According to Politifact, there is “no indication that the FBI had renewed their request to gain access to the actual server, or that investigating the server copy would have prevented the FBI from tracking down the culprits.”

In other words, the FBI got whatever it needed from CrowdStrike when it comes to the servers themselves. The president unsurprisingly either has no idea how digital forensics work or is playing stupid.

Then there’s also the fact that the image of the servers likely only contains some of the evidence that would be needed to track down whoever attacked the DNC in the first place. The rest would need to come from investigating internet infrastructure such as command and control servers used in the attack, Rid told Motherboard. The indictment contains exactly that kind of information. The FBI tracked down leased servers in Arizona and Illinois used in the attacks, as well as obtained evidence on how they used Amazon Web Services’ backup feature to obtain copies of DNC computer systems.


Other evidence, like rumored communications between alleged Russian intelligence officials and Trump associate Roger Stone or cryptocurrency payments they allegedly used to finance the operation, was compiled from completely different sources.....................................
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#TRUMP unsurprisingly either has no idea how digital forensics work or is playing stupid. (Original Post) riversedge Jul 2018 OP
Trump doesn't have to play stupid; he is stupid. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #1
45 thinks that the FBI can do forensic work on the marks left on the server case from hacking. Yonnie3 Jul 2018 #2
Hacksaw marks. That's how hacking is done. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #3
Shhh! Yonnie3 Jul 2018 #5
He only knows how to look up porn and use Twitter dalton99a Jul 2018 #4
Oh, he's not playing! smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #6
Playing????? Hell no. He takes his stupid seriously and is damned good at it. tonyt53 Jul 2018 #7
He doesn't know how a toaster works. PCIntern Jul 2018 #8
He only uses the "server" crap as talking points and deflection to revert... to brush Jul 2018 #9
But I am sure his loyal fans believe him. damn riversedge Jul 2018 #10

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,590 posts)
1. Trump doesn't have to play stupid; he is stupid.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 12:17 PM
Jul 2018

He wouldn't know a server if you dropped one on his head. The only computer he uses is his iPhone and I'm sure he has no idea how it or any other computer device works. He seems to think a server is a box of emails and all you have to do is open it up and all that "evidence" will be there.

Yonnie3

(17,421 posts)
2. 45 thinks that the FBI can do forensic work on the marks left on the server case from hacking.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 12:20 PM
Jul 2018

He is that stupid IMO.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,590 posts)
3. Hacksaw marks. That's how hacking is done.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 12:22 PM
Jul 2018

The hackers saw servers open with hacksaws and steal all the emails inside before they can be rolled up and go sliding through the series of tubes that comprise the internet.



 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. Oh, he's not playing!
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 12:33 PM
Jul 2018

He has no idea how digital forensics works AND he IS stupid. It's not an either/or thing in this case.

brush

(53,743 posts)
9. He only uses the "server" crap as talking points and deflection to revert... to
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 01:11 PM
Jul 2018

to when reporters questions get too close to Putin/collusion/kompromat issues.

He's just filling up the air with words to gaslight and confuse his base. Everyone else knows the server issue was put to bed months ago.

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