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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:03 PM Jul 2018

Trump Was Unaware He Bombed Press Conference


July 17, 2018 at 11:37 am EDTBy Taegan Goddard

CNN: “Immediately after his news conference, Trump’s mood was buoyant, people familiar with the matter said. He walked off stage in Helsinki with little inkling his remarks would cause the firestorm they did, and was instead enthusiastic about what he felt was a successful summit.”

“By the time he’d returned to the White House just before 10 p.m. ET on Monday, however, his mood had soured. Predictably, the President was upset when he saw negative coverage of the summit airing on television aboard Air Force One. It was clear he was getting little support, even from the usual places.”

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https://politicalwire.com/2018/07/17/trump-was-unaware-he-bombed-press-conference/
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Trump Was Unaware He Bombed Press Conference (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2018 OP
Trump's got something wrong with him mentally. Maybe he does have dementia. octoberlib Jul 2018 #1
Possible. Very possible. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #5
How about personality disorder, whether full-blown or just Hortensis Jul 2018 #21
I agree. He's been displaying these pathetic, pathological behaviors for decades. catbyte Jul 2018 #40
Trump has always been a narcissistic scumbag John Fante Jul 2018 #62
I actually disagree. He did speak better when younger, Hortensis Jul 2018 #69
He's been a rich brat as a young man whose father continually bailed... brush Jul 2018 #50
Sure, protection from consequences has to have Hortensis Jul 2018 #71
Delusions of Grandeur: procon Jul 2018 #26
+1000 Thank You. Kind of Blue Jul 2018 #58
If those three oldest rotten kids of his really cared for him, CrispyQ Jul 2018 #36
They can't get him help... he's the lynchpin in their grifter crime family... Raster Jul 2018 #59
Jeffrey Sachs True Blue American Jul 2018 #44
That, and he has forgotmylogin Jul 2018 #46
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!! fleur-de-lisa Jul 2018 #2
Typical lack of self awareness flibbitygiblets Jul 2018 #3
Typical refusal to listen to any advisors FakeNoose Jul 2018 #42
Sarah had an aversion to prepping for news conferences, too. Grammy23 Jul 2018 #57
Absolutely. Sarah Palin in the White House would be a similar horror freak show kcr Jul 2018 #67
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #66
Self-awareness has never been something he had a lot of... Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #4
And many freepers think he's a 3D chess master Kaleva Jul 2018 #6
That's the one that always gets me! smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #29
I've been lurking at Free Republic & many of them think he kicked ass today Kaleva Jul 2018 #32
That's whats freaking scary Capperdan Jul 2018 #55
It's amazing how humans can delude themselves into believing what they want to believe Kaleva Jul 2018 #60
that's the one that gets me also... Raster Jul 2018 #56
More like Whack-A-Mole. 3catwoman3 Jul 2018 #30
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Also, jrthin Jul 2018 #31
We, the sane, progressive DUer's and such, are the chess players Tarc Jul 2018 #33
LOL that's funny The Genealogist Jul 2018 #35
3D chess, lol. Hell, Traitor Tot can't even manage 1D checkers. catbyte Jul 2018 #41
What good is that if everyone else is playing Backgammon? Generic Brad Jul 2018 #73
Apparently Stephen Miller and Bill Shine had to listen to him rage all the way back to DC... hlthe2b Jul 2018 #7
Every cloud has a silver lining. GoCubsGo Jul 2018 #28
Trump: How'd I do? Trump's ego: You did GREAT! Solly Mack Jul 2018 #8
Nailed it. flibbitygiblets Jul 2018 #16
Didn't he know his only scorecard was the press conference exboyfil Jul 2018 #9
Proof he is dumber than a box of rocks. Phoenix61 Jul 2018 #10
I know! Ohiogal Jul 2018 #12
This is what I learned from Washington Journal this morning, BarbaRosa Jul 2018 #11
Looks like Trump's appeasement NCjack Jul 2018 #18
My gawd!! Duppers Jul 2018 #24
He's doing a presser in a few minutes 1:20PM CST vlyons Jul 2018 #13
Of course he was buoyant! He pleased Big Daddy. Tatiana Jul 2018 #14
So is FOX going to become fake news too??? n/t ginnyinWI Jul 2018 #15
Is he going to be wearing that damn red tie again?! donkeypoofed Jul 2018 #17
Me, too. That awful suit and that weird red tie. nt leftyladyfrommo Jul 2018 #25
It's his RED POWER TIE, that gives him control of the situation and... Raster Jul 2018 #61
He probably has a bunch of the same color. nt tblue37 Jul 2018 #65
No sympathy Faux pas Jul 2018 #19
His head is so far up his own ass. C_U_L8R Jul 2018 #20
he gave the 'rite' message to his minions. pansypoo53219 Jul 2018 #22
Big stupid narcissist. lpbk2713 Jul 2018 #23
Now he thinks he MFM008 Jul 2018 #27
Should have stayed home in Moscow then. Corvo Bianco Jul 2018 #34
Heckuva job, dRumpy! Stay the course, he told himself, Mc Mike Jul 2018 #37
Melania has the same problem with him. sandensea Jul 2018 #38
Calling Dr. Bandy Lee.....calling Dr. Bandy Lee...and ...27 others got it right on this traitor.... turbinetree Jul 2018 #39
Here's Robert Jay Lifton's interview. Very interesting. moriah Jul 2018 #72
He was using the summit to triangulate against Mueller and thought bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #43
All the more reason for him to be GONE. He is deranged...completely unhinged, japple Jul 2018 #45
AGREE! forintegrity Jul 2018 #52
He's as aware as a brick. spanone Jul 2018 #47
I Don't Tkink "Bombed" Is The Right Word DallasNE Jul 2018 #48
The master at work mountain grammy Jul 2018 #49
If he's that unaware then he shouldn't be president Ohioboy Jul 2018 #51
That's right! forintegrity Jul 2018 #53
Which....hello... Yellowdog88 Jul 2018 #54
Trump is an idiot Gothmog Jul 2018 #63
Was it my imagination lambchopp59 Jul 2018 #64
He was well aware. His statements make me think of Game of Thrones Oneironaut Jul 2018 #68
But how could Trump NOT know he was flustered? shanen Jul 2018 #70

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. How about personality disorder, whether full-blown or just
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:06 PM
Jul 2018

strong traits of?

Trump's been shoving himself onto the public stage since he was a young man, and literally thousands of peculiar and dysfunctional behaviors have been documented on film, audio, written interviews, his own supposed books, and court documents over more than 4 decades. And still are, as in this thread.

His dad had dementia, and Trump could of course have inherited it, but we're really not seeing any new behaviors that could be ascribed to onset of dementia but not of ongoing personality disorder,

Trump'd fall under the cluster B group of characteristics. Obviously. Even though various traits are grouped under 4 general diagnoses on this site, any of the traits might be manifested in various witches' brews of disorder, and many not. They can be relatively mild to sociopathic.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/personality-disorders/symptoms-causes/syc-20354463

catbyte

(34,375 posts)
40. I agree. He's been displaying these pathetic, pathological behaviors for decades.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:38 PM
Jul 2018

Dementia, my Aunt Fanny. He's just continuing a lifetime of jackassishness.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
62. Trump has always been a narcissistic scumbag
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:24 PM
Jul 2018

but there's little doubt that he has experienced major cognitive deterioration (bordering on dementia) as he has gotten older. If anything, his mental decline has made it harder for Trump to hide his true repulsive nature from the public.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. I actually disagree. He did speak better when younger,
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:56 PM
Jul 2018

and there may have been some deterioration over part of the last 40 years, but it could also be partly slopping over the years into patterns that work for him. We don't know if his reported severe problems with concentration and lack of interest in anything he doesn't relate to himself have gotten worse over the decades, but he's always been that way. Forget reading; his fund of knowledge has always been a relatively null set.

We know that for his first 3 decades in business his father repeatedly kept him from ruining himself. And, of course, many of those thousands of lawsuits he's been involved in for cheating and so on were piled up long ago.

Here's a good one: How about 30 years of inspiring Doonsbury cartoons? Garry Trudeau tried to ignore him for the first few years, but he would never go away and was always pushing his bizarre, attention-seeking behaviors into public discussion, so finally he became a cartoon character. And still is.

He didn't want his newborn son, Don, Jr., to be named after him because, "What if he turns out to be a loser?" Yes, that concern did turn out to be justified, but!

If he's deteriorated so badly, from what?

brush

(53,771 posts)
50. He's been a rich brat as a young man whose father continually bailed...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:53 PM
Jul 2018

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him out of financial difficulties of his own stupidity.

His money, lawyers and staff lackeys continued that lack of accountability on into "mature" adulthood. His WH continues ass-kissery to this day so of course he doesn't know when he's committed treason.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
71. Sure, protection from consequences has to have
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:03 PM
Jul 2018

been something of a factor. But that doesn't mean he can't have a personality disorder that caused these behaviors in the first place. I also think it's a really bad idea to think disordered people are normal. Sets a very low standard for judging all of us. And in Trump's case it could conceivably lead to use of WMD. Best we see him for whatever he is.

Personality problems are so common that it's sort of understandable if some who've never been close to someone with a disabling disorder don't realize they can be more than just assholism. Not only can these people not help themselves, these disorders are still mostly effectively incurable by professionals and helpful treatments extremely limited to effectively nonexistent.

Btw, does anyone really doubt that if The Donald had inherited a Taco Bell franchise he would have run it into the ground in short order, been fired for cause from every job he didn't quit first, managed to cheat his way onto welfare various times, married women in order to mooch off and abuse them until they dumped him, abandoned every child he fathered, and done time in prison more than once because he'd much rather cheat and hurt people than not?


procon

(15,805 posts)
26. Delusions of Grandeur:
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:36 PM
Jul 2018

"A delusion of grandeur is a false belief in one's importance or greatness.
People experiencing delusions of grandeur see themselves as great, highly accomplished, more important than others, or even magical. The delusion may be persistent, or it may appear only periodically.

Some people with delusions of grandeur also experience other delusions, such as a fear of persecution or unusual religious beliefs.

However, a delusion of grandeur is more than just very high self-esteem or an inflated sense of self-importance. It marks a significant disconnection from the real world. A person with delusions of grandeur may continue to believe in the delusion in spite of contradictory evidence."

CrispyQ

(36,460 posts)
36. If those three oldest rotten kids of his really cared for him,
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:27 PM
Jul 2018

they'd get him the help he needs. But in the end, he deserves them. ~insert flip-the-bird smilie here

Raster

(20,998 posts)
59. They can't get him help... he's the lynchpin in their grifter crime family...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:03 PM
Jul 2018

...getting him help would immediately alienate "the base."

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
44. Jeffrey Sachs
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:44 PM
Jul 2018

On Morning Joe said that friends were increasingly aware that Trump is sipuffering from Dementia.

Usually it starts slow, but becomes increasingly noticeable. You can function for a while. Fred Trump had Alzheimer’s. Runs in families.

forgotmylogin

(7,527 posts)
46. That, and he has
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:46 PM
Jul 2018
literally no clue about history, civics, nor politics.

Go with your gut, Traitor Tot. Keep circling the drain.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
3. Typical lack of self awareness
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:07 PM
Jul 2018

Not to mention global awareness. "Oh, people don't like me bashing our own security experts while propping up a murderous dictator?

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
42. Typical refusal to listen to any advisors
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:41 PM
Jul 2018

... or to anyone who actually knows/understands what the hell is going on.

The only people he listens to are the toadies who blow smoke up his ass. Am I right?



Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
57. Sarah had an aversion to prepping for news conferences, too.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:02 PM
Jul 2018

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Don’t get the people started who had to actually try to educate her and bring her up to speed on facts, figures, world leaders and history. She had ZERO interest in actually knowing any of that. She preferred her own brand of word salad and rebuffed any attempts to educate her.

tRump is exactly like that. He thinks he is the smartest guy ever to draw breath. He doesn’t (or can’t) read and shows no interest in increasing his base knowledge. If you ever listen to him (god forbid), he speaks in generalities with few specifics. When he does use specifics he often gets them wrong or just makes up stuff to try to sound like he knows what he is talking about.

They make quite the pair. I won’t say what that is. But they are quite a pair of something.

kcr

(15,315 posts)
67. Absolutely. Sarah Palin in the White House would be a similar horror freak show
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jul 2018

I can easily see her doing the same damage. Maybe even worse since she's younger and doesn't appear to be suffering from signs of dementia. Hard to say. Her level of competency is pretty low as well.

Wounded Bear

(58,647 posts)
4. Self-awareness has never been something he had a lot of...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:07 PM
Jul 2018

How could he? He surrounds himself with sychophants that are afraid to criticize him.

He needs a mommy, a real one that can send him to bed without his supper (not that I'm into disfunctional parenting or anything . He obviously had none of that when he "grew" up.

Capperdan

(492 posts)
55. That's whats freaking scary
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:00 PM
Jul 2018

Russia's brainwashing techniques have worked to blind our neighbors and relatives ability to decide for themselves.

Kaleva

(36,294 posts)
60. It's amazing how humans can delude themselves into believing what they want to believe
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:04 PM
Jul 2018

Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
56. that's the one that gets me also...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:01 PM
Jul 2018

..."He's not really inept, he's just acting that way to tweak the Libs."

jrthin

(4,835 posts)
31. In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Also,
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:45 PM
Jul 2018

his cult45ers are checkers player, at best.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
33. We, the sane, progressive DUer's and such, are the chess players
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:49 PM
Jul 2018

while Trump and his acolytes gnaw on their checkerboard pieces and call it a win.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
35. LOL that's funny
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:15 PM
Jul 2018

I think he'd be confused trying to figure out Candyland and totslly baffled by Old Maid. Chess? Him?

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
73. What good is that if everyone else is playing Backgammon?
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:53 PM
Jul 2018

He's not even playing the same game as everyone else at the table.

hlthe2b

(102,233 posts)
7. Apparently Stephen Miller and Bill Shine had to listen to him rage all the way back to DC...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:09 PM
Jul 2018
delish!

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
8. Trump: How'd I do? Trump's ego: You did GREAT!
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:10 PM
Jul 2018

Trump: "That's what I thought too."

:::Knock, knock:::

Trump: Who's there?

:::Reality calling!:::

Trump's ego: Don't listen! It's all fake!

Trump: That's what I think too.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
9. Didn't he know his only scorecard was the press conference
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:11 PM
Jul 2018

since the meeting was off the record (imagine two world leaders meeting off the record especially when both are suspected of working together illegally of fixing the election for one of them).

If he had some work product from the meeting. Like a signed agreement, even one on a cocktail napkin, then he could claim something.

As of now no one knows what was agreed to.

Phoenix61

(17,003 posts)
10. Proof he is dumber than a box of rocks.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jul 2018

How could he possibly think trusting Putin over our own Intel would go over well?

BarbaRosa

(2,684 posts)
11. This is what I learned from Washington Journal this morning,
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:12 PM
Jul 2018

a foxtard caller said that trump was using reverse psychology on putin and had putin right where he wanted him.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
18. Looks like Trump's appeasement
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:28 PM
Jul 2018

will work as well as Chamberlain's did in 1939.

Yeah, T-humpers, your cult leader is an appeaser. Get used to it.

vlyons

(10,252 posts)
13. He's doing a presser in a few minutes 1:20PM CST
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:15 PM
Jul 2018

in which he will double down and claim that Americans want peace. And by golly what's wrong with trying to have better relations with such a big nuclear power. So anyone want to guess how long into the presser before Hillary's emails are mentioned? I don't know how much I can watch a Dirty Traitor come out and lie to my face. These days, my patience wears out pretty fast.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
14. Of course he was buoyant! He pleased Big Daddy.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:16 PM
Jul 2018

Putin probably gave him some positive feedback for fellatio well-performed.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
17. Is he going to be wearing that damn red tie again?!
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:25 PM
Jul 2018

It's the same one. He never washes it. I.have developed a huge aversion to red ties. And why is he so late ?

Raster

(20,998 posts)
61. It's his RED POWER TIE, that gives him control of the situation and...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:05 PM
Jul 2018

...shows everyone that he is the alpha male.

sandensea

(21,624 posts)
38. Melania has the same problem with him.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:34 PM
Jul 2018

Why, once he asked asked her if she wanted a cigarette after sex - and she said: 'no, one drag was enough!'

moriah

(8,311 posts)
72. Here's Robert Jay Lifton's interview. Very interesting.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:13 PM
Jul 2018
https://billmoyers.com/story/dangerous-case-donald-trump-robert-jay-lifton-bill-moyers-duty-warn/

Moyers: Some people who have known Trump for years say he’s gotten dramatically worse since he was inaugurated. In the prologue to The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump, Dr. Judith Lewis Herman writes this: “Fostered by the flattery of underlings and the chants of crowds, a political leader’s grandiosity may morph into grotesque delusions of grandeur.” Does that —

Lifton: That’s absolutely true. It’s absolutely true. And for anyone with these traits — of feeling himself victimized, of seeking to be the strongman who resolves everything, yet sees truth only through his own self and negates all other truth outside of it — is bound to become much more malignant when he has power. That’s what Judith Herman is saying, and she’s absolutely right. Power then breeds an intensification of all this because the power can never be absolute power — to some extent it’s stymied — but the isolation while in power becomes even more dangerous. Think of it as a vicious circle. The power intensifies these tendencies and the tendencies become more dangerous because of the power.

Moyers: But suppose that if Donald Trump is crazy, as some have said, he’s crazy like a fox, which is to say all this bizarre behavior is really clever strategy to mislead, distract and deceive others into responding in precisely the manner that he wants them to.

Lifton: I don’t think that’s quite true. I think that it’s partly true. As I said before, Trump both disbelieves and believes in falsehoods, so that when he did thrive on his longstanding and perhaps most egregious falsehood — the claim that Obama was not born in the United States — he’s crazy like a fox in manipulating it because it gave him his political entrée onto the national stage — and also, incidentally, was not rejected by many leading Republicans. So he was crazy like a fox in that case. But it’s more extreme even than that. In order to make your falsehoods powerful, you have to believe in them in some extent. And that’s why we simplify things if we say that Trump either believes nothing in his falsehoods and is just manipulating us like a fox or he completely believes them. Neither is true. The combination of both and his talent as a manipulator and falsifier are very much at issue.

bucolic_frolic

(43,140 posts)
43. He was using the summit to triangulate against Mueller and thought
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:42 PM
Jul 2018

he was taking a diplomatic high road. That he was totally unaware of the correct posture when dealing with geopolitical adversaries shows just how stupid, ignorant, and poorly suited for the job of president he really is. He has the emotional maturity of a middle schooler, and a mind to match. He doesn't really DO anything. He decides, and pays others to do his bidding.

japple

(9,822 posts)
45. All the more reason for him to be GONE. He is deranged...completely unhinged,
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:46 PM
Jul 2018

ready to be retired to the room with soft walls, not fit to be POTUS.

forintegrity

(473 posts)
52. AGREE!
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:53 PM
Jul 2018

Don’t care what his problem is - he’s not fit to be a leader of our country! REMOVE HIM NOW!

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
48. I Don't Tkink "Bombed" Is The Right Word
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:51 PM
Jul 2018

I think he accomplished what he sought out to accomplish. The fact that it was so misguided and counter to what was called for made it looked like it bombed.

mountain grammy

(26,619 posts)
49. The master at work
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:51 PM
Jul 2018

Even Putin looked incredulous as he sat there with that smile. Donnie’s got dementia or he’s a lunatic or he’s a complete moron. Pure evil on that stage.

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
51. If he's that unaware then he shouldn't be president
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:53 PM
Jul 2018

I know I'm preaching to the choir. I just needed to say it.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
64. Was it my imagination
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:35 PM
Jul 2018

Or did POTUS Putin really chuckle after he was asked if he had the dirt on Traitor Tot?

Oneironaut

(5,493 posts)
68. He was well aware. His statements make me think of Game of Thrones
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:50 PM
Jul 2018

where Cersei educates Joffrey on perception vs. reality. See the first lines of dialogue:



Trump does something similar. He outright ignores the truth in favor of using his large media presence to influence the truth. Image if Trump had Bush’s post-9/11 zeitgeist?
 

shanen

(349 posts)
70. But how could Trump NOT know he was flustered?
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:58 PM
Jul 2018

My three ideas about Trump's latest blunders:

(1) I think Putin has recordings of their "private" meeting, possibly even video from the wired translator. (BTW, I'm pretty sure Putin has little need for an English-Russian translator.)

(2) I'm sure Putin played Trump like a toy drum. Whatever Putin wanted Trump to say, Trump said it, and some more besides. Trump probably revealed top secret information or worse, and Putin has proof.

(3) Perhaps Trump had already started to realize how badly he had phucked up and that's why he was so flustered in the post-meeting presser.

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