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Mueller----Boom! (Original Post) Kingofalldems Jul 2018 OP
... Leghorn21 Jul 2018 #1
article link Qutzupalotl Jul 2018 #2
"thereby creating the risk of undue louis-t Jul 2018 #31
Reince Priebus? kentuck Jul 2018 #3
Watch Wisconsin malaise Jul 2018 #7
Why Wisconsin ? OnDoutside Jul 2018 #10
All three are from there malaise Jul 2018 #27
But Manafort wasn't NRA connected, was he ? OnDoutside Jul 2018 #28
Not to my knowledge n /t malaise Jul 2018 #35
Sean Spicer? n/t FSogol Jul 2018 #9
He's a machine RandySF Jul 2018 #4
he's a Marine ashling Jul 2018 #48
So, wcmagumba Jul 2018 #5
Yes mercuryblues Jul 2018 #6
I think it's not so much an "agreement"... MGKrebs Jul 2018 #15
And it's no protection from perjury, either. LuvLoogie Jul 2018 #20
Is his old partner Gates one of the five? NightWatcher Jul 2018 #8
Gates has already flipped FakeNoose Jul 2018 #14
Not that I feel badly for him, because he was complicit, phylny Jul 2018 #47
K&R Scurrilous Jul 2018 #11
So.....Manafort won't deal, huh? Okay, then, send in the tailors to measure him for an orange suit. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #12
Federal prison might be the safest place yellerpup Jul 2018 #21
I would think the Russians could get to him behind bars. Texin Jul 2018 #26
The Russians will get him. yellerpup Jul 2018 #40
Ever seen Breaking Bad? Poiuyt Jul 2018 #34
Only the first few. yellerpup Jul 2018 #41
Let's just say that if someone wants to hit someone in prison Poiuyt Jul 2018 #50
So we shall say. yellerpup Jul 2018 #51
Gliding All Over teamster633 Jul 2018 #42
And it was the Nazis that did the dirty work. teamster633 Jul 2018 #44
I would be surprised if Russia would want them, if they are of no use and don't have money. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #36
I'm pretty sure Russia doesn't want either. yellerpup Jul 2018 #43
Time for the signal FakeNoose Jul 2018 #13
Love this!!!!!! calimary Jul 2018 #25
+1! nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #37
Sounds ominous. triron Jul 2018 #16
looks like 5 someones aren't going to be pleading the 5th... 0rganism Jul 2018 #17
Paulie is gonna die in prison. sarcasmo Jul 2018 #24
BIG BOOM....great! Thekaspervote Jul 2018 #18
Dear god, let one of the 5 be Cohen. Johnyawl Jul 2018 #19
Nah, watoos Jul 2018 #22
Flipping for one probably means flipping for both. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #38
Yes! Does anyone know if there will be a live stream Glimmer of Hope Jul 2018 #23
Judge may not allow cameras. We'll have to see. Cameras in the OJ trial... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #39
Aww. Better safe than sorry. Glimmer of Hope Jul 2018 #46
Glorious... czarjak Jul 2018 #29
Five witnesses! That is major. Nitram Jul 2018 #30
K&R Gothmog Jul 2018 #32
Pardons? I raise you immunities. Skraxx Jul 2018 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2018 #45
In my wildest dreams, one of them would be musette_sf Jul 2018 #49

Qutzupalotl

(14,304 posts)
2. article link
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:33 PM
Jul 2018
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/17/mueller-asks-for-immunity-for-five-witnesses-in-manafort-case.html

Special counsel Robert Mueller asks for immunity for five potential witnesses in Paul Manafort trial


Special counsel Robert Mueller is asking a judge to grant immunity from prosecution for five potential witnesses whose testimony Mueller wants to compel at the upcoming federal criminal trial of former Trumpcampaign chief Paul Manafort, according to a court filing Tuesday.

The five individuals would either refuse to take the witness stand against Manafort, or refuse to answer questions because of their Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination if they are not granted immunity and compelled to testify with that protection from prosecution, according to Mueller's filing in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va.

Mueller has also asked Judge T.S. Ellis to seal from public view the court motions detailing the witnesses' identities.

"The five individuals identified in the motions at issue are third parties who have not been charged in this matter, and who have not been identified publicly with the case," Mueller's team argued in a filing asking for that sealing order. "Disclosing the motions would reveal those individuals’ involvement in the investigation and the trial, thereby creating the risk of their undue harassment.'

....

"Sealing is also appropriate because the information contained in the motions could lead to reputational harm," prosecutors wrote. Mueller's team noted that if the individuals do testify at Manafort's trial, their identities would become public.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
31. "thereby creating the risk of undue
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 06:22 PM
Jul 2018

tweeting threats and harassment by an orange clown, asshole, so-called leader."

malaise

(268,952 posts)
27. All three are from there
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:49 PM
Jul 2018

Last edited Tue Jul 17, 2018, 06:32 PM - Edit history (2)

Walker is in the photo with the NRA Russian who has just been indicted. He also dropped out of their primary first.

wcmagumba

(2,886 posts)
5. So,
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:39 PM
Jul 2018

if these mystery witnesses are granted immunity and still refuse to testify, do they go to jail?
Not a lawyer and just wondering...

MGKrebs

(8,138 posts)
15. I think it's not so much an "agreement"...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:36 PM
Jul 2018

they are being 'compelled to testify'. I think they can't claim the 5th if they face no punishment for self-incrimination. So i think they would be in contempt if they still refused to answer questions.
That's what I've seen on TV anyway!

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
14. Gates has already flipped
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:35 PM
Jul 2018

I'm thinking Mueller is trying to get people from the early days of the campaign.

In the beginning there were only a few people running things, like Hope Hicks, Corey Lewandowski, maybe Priebus. They would have all known something was up with the Russians, but maybe not doing it themselves. Mueller will not give immunity to Jared Kuschner though, that's my assumption.

phylny

(8,380 posts)
47. Not that I feel badly for him, because he was complicit,
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:22 PM
Jul 2018

but Reince Priebus lost his entire career as a Republican operative. I was originally surprised he was willing to serve with Trump, because I believe he saw the danger of Trump immediately.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. So.....Manafort won't deal, huh? Okay, then, send in the tailors to measure him for an orange suit.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:26 PM
Jul 2018

Because he's goin' to spend a looooong time in the slammer.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
21. Federal prison might be the safest place
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 04:56 PM
Jul 2018

for Manafort to live out the remainder of his years. He & 45 both are in debt to the Russians and neither will have any way to repay what they owe. 45 was their laundress, scrubbing money for years and years, a greedy laundress that they probably already have replaced. If Russia did accept either of them as defectors, I would not make a bet on their longevity.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
26. I would think the Russians could get to him behind bars.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 05:44 PM
Jul 2018

It's not likely he would be sent to a Supermax-type installation, which would have the capability of hindering a prison hit, or at least minimizing the chance. He will have a target on his back for the rest of his life.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
40. The Russians will get him.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:51 PM
Jul 2018

I just think that being in a federal prison in the USA would give him maybe a little extra time. He owes then; they'll get him.

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
50. Let's just say that if someone wants to hit someone in prison
Wed Jul 18, 2018, 06:51 PM
Jul 2018

there are ways to get it done. (Of course, it's only fiction!)

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
36. I would be surprised if Russia would want them, if they are of no use and don't have money.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 06:53 PM
Jul 2018

Why would they want them?

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
43. I'm pretty sure Russia doesn't want either.
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:55 PM
Jul 2018

But, where else would they turn? They might let them in, but only long enough to make sure they neither one will tell their story. Ever.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
39. Judge may not allow cameras. We'll have to see. Cameras in the OJ trial...
Tue Jul 17, 2018, 06:56 PM
Jul 2018

hurt the process, so not many judges allow cameras in the courtroom after that fiasco.

Response to Kingofalldems (Original post)

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